These Controversial Speedrun Strategies Were BANNED 

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@@timdennison2376 epic

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@@bramwesterveld7805 lmao it took up like a third of the video, absurd

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Luigi ruins everything

@@LunaticJ by doing nothing

Gotta give credit to the grindset

And yet people do do that.

I've done a lot of Wii homebrew and there's so much funny little tricks that I definitely forgot about maintenance mode, if I was even aware of it in the first place

Thank you for digging up such a cool discovery!

Are you sure Nintendo never updated the cartridges in later batches?

@@gyroninjamodder idk

My cartridge has 1.3.0, though granted I bought

*it several years after the game released. I don't know how many cartridges in the wild are 1.0.0 vs 1.3.0

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There was something similiar for *The World is Not Enough*. I dont remember the exact details but unpausing didnt start the timer till 2 frames after the pause but you could pause every frame. On all but one stage this wasnt a big deal as your moment would fall and cause you to halt in place if you abused this in a normal run. But one stage was an auto scroller type where you are skiing down a mountain, thus your speed was locked so you could quick pause every frame, advance a bit, repause so the timer didnt advance. There is like an infamous "speedrun" of this stage that was the fastest in game time ever but took well over 2 hours because of all the pausing. But the video got lost because the person transferring it from VHS to digital broke the tape or something, cant remember the exact details.

Glad you think so!

using dirty or scratched discs just made lag clips more consistent, they didn't destroy the game. it wasn't banned, the community was just uncomfortable with people damaging their discs so they allowed loading the game from the hard drive to remove the need for discs. this made load times more consistent and faster than so the strategy became obsolete, and new strats have been found to replace the old lag clip strats anyways

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Ocarina of Time is an prime example of this. like the history of RBA (reverse bottle adventure) is complex, it can give you a lot of neat items early, but was originally banned in 100% because you could get certain items without collecting them from their source point. later on this was allowed due to the introduction of "source requirement" which basically means that if you RBA an item, you need to get that item from the source aswel. RBA was still banned in other categories like MST (Medallions, Stones, Trials) since RBA could give you medallions and stones, which then rendered the dungeon "beaten" and wouldn't give you the item anymore, rendering the source requirement uncompletable till you do another RBA to get rid of the item. OOT in general allows version exclusive glitches a lot, like 100% also had eyeball frog early, where in 1.0 (N64 exclusive) you could get certain items if you held Z while talking to an specific NPC. For example you could get Gold Scale as child if you held Z and R as you came out of the water and talked to the fishing guy, instead of giving an heart piece, he would give you gold scale, which is normally an adult reward. or King Zora would give you the eyeball frog instead of the Zora Tunic, which obviously sped up the adult trade sequence a lot. the OOT community honestly is the best when it comes to allowing version exclusive glitches, you can generally get around it, but not compete for WR if you don't have it, much better than the SM64 community, who purposefully ignore VC because it's faster than the original and not the original N64 version.

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...no, it's really not. It's a timesave that isn't really skill sensitive, so everyone would basically get the free timesave, but it makes verifying runs not to be cheated or spliced WAY harder. The speedrun is effectively the same without it sans less than a minute of saved load times. Why add in a trick that saves less than a minute automatically for everyone if it makes it an order of magnitude harder to verify world records' legitimacy?

@@ryjelsum i don't mind if an trick or something isn't sensitive to skill, if it was as easy to verify while being an free time save, sure. but since it made verifying 1000x harder due to needing an webcam just to record the game on top of having an capture card for high quality video footage? yeah, that's not a good thing.

spedruns are about getting the fastest time at all costs, not about who's better at the video game

@@blikthepro972wrong. Cheating is banned.

Going by that logic, any category other than glitchless should be banned. No fun allowed.

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That is allowed. You just can’t switch between the two. I forgot to mention that oops

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I mean, i think It's even banned at any%, So why Not let any% be massively 2p And Just change 2p% to 1p%? This wouldnt hurt a single speedrun category And it will have more focus on 2p only skips

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My original thumbnail with undock abuse looked ugly so i went full watchmojo lmao

us isnane how the oot speedrun commuinty came up with all that

Which is why ACE is banned in every main non any% category, the old any% got its own category, and no one gives a shit about OoT any% anymore

any speedrunner could do it, correct. communities often think about the health of their speedgame. would YOU want to run an category that requires you to 100% mario galaxy everytime you want to do runs? If the answer is no, there you go, that's why. As stated in the video, sometimes version exclusive glitches gets banned because it goes against the purpose of an category. (like Ocarina of Time's MST (Medallions, Stones, Trials) speedrun, where the goal is to collect all medallions and stones and do ganons trials afterwards, but an glitch called RBA (reverse bottle adventure) you could use specific items to gain certain medalions/stones without ever stepping inside it's respective dungeon, could anyone do that? yes, does it go against the entire purpose of making MST? yup ... so it was banned) the other reason as i stated above is if it's good for the speedgame, for mario galaxy, playing as mario would make no different with maintenance mode, but if you wanted to do luigi? yeah, time to do an 120 star run as mario just do some runs as Luigi. Can anyone do it? yeah. Is it healthy for the category? nope.

depends on the context. 2 seconds a loading zone for example can be huge when you enter a lot of loading zones. the example the video mentioned with undocking the switch for faster loading times when getting off the balloon. yes it's only 2 seconds faster and maybe adds to around 12 seconds in total, but that run was around 30ish minutes, that's when seconds really matter. Also the problem in that specific scenario that it made verifying runs became an nightmare and would require multiple camera setup since the video feed would cut off when undocking making it stupidly easy to splice. but when you look at another speedgame like Diddy Kong Racing, depending on the run but some runners opt to turn the music off as it adds lag, would in the end only win you a few seconds overal, but the more optimized it becomes the more neccesary it becomes. that's why for example an extremely hard trick that has an 1/30000 chance of even succeeding, not many are gonna do that right? but what if that trick saves 2-3 minutes and 1 guy does it and sets an WR using it getting the full time save, that forces everyone to use that 1/30000 trick. (Mario Kart 64 had this issue in calimari desert, where it was an extremely slim chance you could hop over an fence, skipping the vast majority of the lap, someone got it and the track died in terms of popularity, because not many players could be bothered to perform an extremely rare trick) It all depends on context and if it's healthy for the speedrun itself, some communities just let it be if it's an small time save, but some want to ban it as an precaution because it can potentially ruin the category. Look at Mario Galaxy and the maintenance mode explained in this video. would you want to spend 6 hours to unlock Luigi to do a few runs?

@@DarkDyllon I get what you're saying, but on a hypothetical scenario where every runner can semi-consistently hit their pb, the 12 seconds time save only serves to push down inactive player while forcing player to do the "trick" to have a chance. This is because it's a consistent, no-risk time save. On the other hand I 100% get those 1/1000 skips, they can save you a minute,or if you fail lose you 5; it's a gamble, you could try it and risk having to reset, or you could look for another rime save. But, I understand this is a 'me' thing, just like I don't understand why people shiny hunt full odds in older pokemon games.

It’s actually funny how that turned out to be the case lol

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? It was 2 minutes long

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that is a trick for Spongebob Sqaurepants Battle For Bikini Bottum i don't remeber what it does in top of my head but is was a great speedrun trick and more dirty the game disc was more easier was it to do the glitch until the game disc is so dirty you can't run it anymore the World Record Holder SHiFT have video about it that was his video

In Spongebob SquarePants Battle for Bikini Bottom, making your disc dirty would bring benefits to the run (I believe it was being able to lag for clipping into walls)

smudging the disc would make lag clips more consistent in bfbb the ketchup disc was just a meme and wouldnt work obviously

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I’m pretty bad at being concise but thanks haha

first, you can’t just make a separate leaderboard for every small difference because if nobody wants to run it then it’ll just be an empty leaderboard (i do think they could’ve just banned it from luigi) for the 2nd one, you have to get the context around it. odyssey was a popular game around launch, so many new people were coming in and having a barrier that would discourage new players(and potentially future wr holders) from starting would be bad, it was basically a temporary ban until the hype died down a bit. Also emulators are allowed in most old-school games since for really old games there’s barely any difference between console and emulator(the super mario bros world record is currently done on emulator) for the third one, when undock abuse is performed it’s a different type of time save. it’s not difficult to perform at all, it doesn’t require skill. with timesaves like that that don’t require skill, once the time is brought down 12 seconds it’s basically the same run, except now you have to set up a camera to show video evidence that the game was still running. who wants to buy a camera to show that their speedrun was legitimate if they don’t have a good one already?