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I've been grappling for 13 years and every injury I've gotten has been from moves that are legal at white belt. A lot of people crank submissions very fast, to the point that damage is being done before you can even tap. However, people are more careful with leg locks, and it's usually higher belts using them, but even in CACC, no one ever hurt my knee.
Thank you for this video. This was a really hard one watch, but a very, very necessary one. Hopefully we can all learn from others' past mistakes and prevent them from happening in the future. Train hard, but train smart. Stay safe out there guys
The biggest problem with kani basami injuries is that the people doing the technique are *obviously* at the *wrong angle* to get the takedown. They are blatantly choosing to ignore your safety to try to get a takedown.
Even if they are at the right angle the other guy isn't just going to concede a takedown, they are going to try to escape and this is when peoples ankles start breaking
This is my fear with BJJ (and really any martial art). I just started BJJ earlier this year and it's really fun and exciting, but I don't think I would ever compete because I'm too scared of serious injury. I understand that even training in my academy has its risks, but I trust my folk. Nevertheless, great video! Really shed some light on things to look out for 😅
Self preservation is absolutely key in BJJ practice. Injuries happen in any sport (maybe not chess). I injured myself worse playing basketball, running, jumping on trampolines, walking down stairs than doing 4 years of BJJ Training. It's a tough sport but I love that BJJ is so safe while using a lot of strength and technique. You are responsible for the other person's safety while immobilizing / submitting them in a controlled manner without injury. Generally - Don't watch compilations of injuries too often. - The head coach is responsible for providing a clean (desinfected), safe (properly cushioned) and secure (partners that have enough skill, and stable character to keep you safe), - Beware of heavy guys or spazzy guys during rolling, these are the dangerous ones. I witnessed an injury when a guy did competition intensity during warmup games. Result was partially torn ACL of his partner and him leaving the room to vomit from exhaustion. Here the head coach should have rolled with that person first to understand if this person can be harmful to his students. - Learn how to break fall - sideways, judo roll etc. with proper breathing, weight distribution, protecting your neck by tucking in your chin. - Train your neck - Make sure you warm up properly - Ensure mats are clean to prevent skin infections - In longer no-gi sessions (>30mins), wear leggins and long-sleeve rashguards to protect your hair follicles - it's easy to get some nasty pimples after friction. During rolling - Beware of your surroundings (people than can fall or roll onto you - I hurt my posted elbow like this.) - control your opponent's angles and fall in a controlled way (the infamous guard pull can be useful here). - Do not rely on the flexibility of your joints too much, but maintain posture and tension when holding off someones weight playing guard. Usually, when your joints are not neutral (e.g. your wrist in straight ankle lock or kimura), the technique is not effective and you strain your ligaments. - Don't spazz, and just assume your fingers a ride plus any body part. - When you are exhausted, take a break. Lack of coordination and resistance strength will be dangerous for you and your partner. - Be aware of where you are not knowledgeable of the bimechanics and where sudden movement or great force can be harmful. (e.g. spinning around while your leg is in straight leglock, someone stacking their weight on your neck) During competitions -> I have no experience here. So I can just apply reasoning here. - I have read that injuries are 10x more likely in competitions. But if you train 100h for 1h of of competition, you are still 10x more likely to injure yourself during training. - Adrenaline, overestimating your abilities and the lack of control by the coach (to pick an opponent that's not dangerous) I would assume are key contributing factors.
Thank you very much for your thorough and detailed thoughts and sharing your experience! I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post. I agree with everything you said, and will take note on things I should be doing more often (training my neck, controlling angles, and taking breaks when exhausted). Thank you again!@@JAt0m
@@armedjoy3045the problem is how do we distinguish you centre from the one Rokas went to. For kids training some advice is training for national or international level in any sport Football Gymnastics were cited is far more dangerous than either TMA or combat sports. Problem with Bjj is it shuns regulation. There are centres in Bangalore but I think deciding to train is one of those decisions adults can make only for their own body. Unlike karate or kalaripayattu
Thank you for making this video. I've studied various martial arts throughout my life to a degree of proficiency though not an expert in any. My gym has a variety of styles so I still float between styles and practice some stuff on my own. I have been endlessly thinking about the last BJJ class I attended. i don't know, but I have. After watching this I think I'll try to be more careful when trying to do takedowns, throws ect. This video will make me rethink a lot of that.
This is so so important. Suffered three months out because of someone jumping guard on me. Blew my knee out, and prob won’t be the same ever again… judo and the sense to ban so many of these techniques, why hasn’t BJJ caught on?
When some people say Jiu-jitsu isn’t dangerous, watch this. I agree white belts are dangerous to a point because they don’t know what they don’t know thus going for mad wonky moves.
Looking back, I'm glad my father signed me up for boxing. He used to teach Jiu Jitsu in Russian Army in the 70s and 80s, and he taught me a few simple moves when I was a kid which I enjoyed learning.
After suffering an injury from a low kick 10 month ago looking at this video scratched some mostly healed psychological wound 😂. Anyway, glad i saw this video before i decided to get into bjj, it made me realise that i'm not psychologicaly and physicaly ready for the sport yet.
No joke, man, I think the turtle one happened to me the other day in class 😨 thank goodness for my sickening mobility obsession 🥺🤕🤸♂️ great video, man. Injury prevention should be a goal above almost all else
I’ve heard that Tonon move be referred to as “Scissor Ashi,” which I thought was different bc it seems like he drops back down at the end to collect the leg. Is it a different move or did he just modify it to go into the heel hook? I’m very unfamiliar with the kani basami, so I’m just curious.
Posting the hand doesn't make it safe,. That is the way to do it in judo, but people's hands slip very often when it is done under pressure... Even in the most infamous occurrence in judo of injury by kani basami (Yamahita vs Endo), which led to it finally being banned, the attacker tried to post his hand.
I got my arm messed up in wrestling from a spiral fracture, he had my arm behind my back, put his arm under it, and rolled over my back, basically doing an improvised kimuta
personally, i think the whole thing about slams can be fairly easily solved just by making a couple rules around them. the rest is pretty much impossible to manage and it's better to just ban them to make the sport safe enough to be playable. which is a bit of a loss from a martial perspective, but losing good practitioners to injuries is probably a bigger loss. slams though, they come down to a few considerations: 1) slams are dangerous so you can't really let people do them 2) slams are incredibly effective, so their presence or emulation change the submission game entirely by forcing players to defend and prevent the pick up that would allow for a slam 2.5) slams are extremely intuitive, people with zero grappling experience will try to pick you up and slam you if you lock them into a triangle. so you create a huge gap between the sport and reality by ignoring them by banning them. 3) slams, especially the initial pick up, are volatile and defendable. so your rules have to reflect it and leave the opportunity to defend against them. i think the way to go is simply to ban the slam itself, but allow picking up your opponent. once you have lifted your opponent above a certain height, you are considered "slam ready", and that your opponent failed to defend the slam, you get a point or other form of scoring advantage, and you are separated and position is reset. that's pretty much how we go when sparing ground in my japanese jujitsu gym. when the guy start picking you up, you try to trip him, once he manage to lift you above his hips we basically agree he would have just won by slamming you if it was a real fight.
I agree, the slam problem is indicative of a bad rule set in sport jiu-jitsu around this issue. In judo, if you pick someone up from when you are both on the ground (which is when a lot of these slams occur) then the action is stopped and you reset. But if you are trying a flying guard pull or other such silliness then you are using an uncontrolled technique and deserve to get slammed.
I tore someone’s ligament off the bone with a tani otoshi (judoka in judo sparring). I love that move, but I’d rather eat a loss and get injured myself than ever injure someone in that way again. And the heel hook/leglock early practice argument is important. Learning to mark dangerous submissions early without finishing them teaches control, also kneebars are important counters to a lot of simple guard defenses so learning them early is really useful in improving your guard.
A lot of jujitsu guys should learn to let go I think, a lot of injuries could be avoided (at least for the one being attacked, wouldn't the jumper in the jumping guard case, for example)
2 weeks into my Grade 1 ACL tear. 10 more weeks to go 🙂 My question is, did you harbor any animosity forr being put out of training for 3 months due to your partners negligence?
@@TylerSpanglerthat guys response made my blood boil. Idk what gym he trains at but he’d be permanently banned from mine for pulling that move and then having the audacity to act like that after injuring a training partner especially someone visiting
Another one is people getting their knees blown out in lockdown/scorpion lock when they're getting swept with knee torque and try to stay up posting with their arms.
4:39 Possibly psychotic opinion: if someone jumps toward you, you should be exempt from any slam DQ when you sprawl onto them to save your knees. It's perverse to do a high-momentum move that endangers both athletes and expect the opponent to brace your weight.
Yep, it should be legal to slam anyone who uses jumping techniques by sprawling. Why should you get your knees destroyed by someone who doesn't consider your safety? Jumping guard in particular is not an effective technique in the real world, because you'd just get slammed. However, because slams are banned, it encourages people to jump into guard and potentially cause some bad injuries. So, you basically have to either allow both moves, or ban both moves, because if you just ban slams only, then it encourages people to jump into guard.
A few days ago, I did a lateral knee bar without knowing what I was doing to a purple belt (I’m a white belt). He got upset, asked where I had learned to do that, and then the roll got very intense. In the end, he came to talk to me and said that a white belt shouldn't do that. I was so lost that I asked him what I had done, and he explained it to me. He said that if I had done the technique correctly, I could have seriously injured him.
as a wrestler and now training in jiu jitsu, this pisses me off royally . wrestling is a lot more concussion prone due to throws, but these are less popular in jiu jitsu, and people prefer to just try to cut the legs and use gravity. this is the exact opposite of the nature of both sports . both focus incredibly well on proper positioning, form, and grips to avoid injury like this .
@@poldreborn4281 I don’t have a problem with twisters as long as the other person knows the submission and the person doing it knows not to go hard. Same thing with heel hooks…you just have to get to the position but then be gentle and not put it on tight. Other person also has to know the game is up and to tap. But doing either to a white belt that doesn’t know the submissions is extremely dangerous and negligent.
Few months ago in the class they show us broomstick (Renzo Gracie's move). For me it is a dangerous move and I ended up injured my big toe. Still it hurts. Some of the bjj schools are ignorant they say no leglocks it is dangerous but they show these kind of moves
Unless you have the right partner you will sustain far more injuries in BJJ then any other martial sport. And the reason is because of what my Judo coach says, “there is a thousand ways to choke someone.” It’s why sports should limit and not be unlimited, because a handful of those ways are going to really hurt someone.
@@TylerSpangler my mom actually played pro wrestling with me when I was like 4 and she let me try out submissions I learnt in jjj she was a pretty cool lady
i am a little late here but i wanted to mention that the kani basami is banned even in karate (in the forms where your "opponent" knows what you are about to do). DON'T DO IT IN TRAINING, DON'T BE STUPID!
That one of the reasons I'm not particularly eager to practice jujitsu there are people who during the practice session go full in like in my experience
Broke my arm during mma through a kimura. Had an x-ray and the doctors more or less instantly said "yeap this is gonna need surgery".. and that's how I ended up with a metal plate in my arm.
Great video! Also do one on how to not be a d+¢k lol. Not long ago i had a brand new guy who "watched alot of ufc" try a jumping guillotine on me. He was about 4" taller than me, about the same weight 220. Im experienced so i went with him hopped his guard, and then proceeded to arm triangle the spit outta him. But a white belt could have easily sustained a neck or knee injury.
And this why my first words in a no gi match are, "please leave my legs alone". For those of you who that's a chicken approach, I'll send you flowers when you're getting your legs surgically repaired.
dude, it's not fair in a competition to tell your opponents what they can and can't do. rules are rules. if you're afraid of what can happen in competition, then don't compete.
WTF those refs need to learn when to call it and protect the competitors!!! And in training don't wreck the people you're training with because you're trying to prove a point that you "got them" most of the time people just don't know when they can get out and when they just need to tap. That's the point of rolling in class to learn what you can do and what you can't! TEACH THEM! You don't do it by hurting them.
About 6 months ago, I finally decided I was “too old for this 💩.” I loved it, but the risk of running into some young guy seeking BJJ “glory” was finally too much. I need to be able to do other important things.
@@Kinan_The_G.O.A.T exactly so no martial art should advertise as a boost to self-defense capabilities like they all do. It's damaging to people to make them think like they can be okay in situations they are not okay in at all. Results in people getting themselves into trouble all too often
@@jansonshrock2859 dude a submission alone can teach them the pain that happens in street fights. No need to paralyze yourself or disable yourself for “self defense”
Seeing how people execute the scissor takedown annoys me. I won't advocate for people to do it but seeing people just launch their bodies at the opponent's knees shows a lack of understanding and experience. Ideally you're using your weight to shift the opponents center so that they are unstable and you're just pulling them down. Assuming there's not a huge weight difference it shouldn't take much force. In most grappling techniques it shouldn't take much force because grappling techniques are more about being efficient than brute force.
