TheViper Returns To AoE4 For Some Ottoman Action! 

especially when aoe2 queues are crap. Jordan got sick. Songsong signed off and he found aoe4 had some players around, That being said, just as he was in RBWL, is more or less clueless about the aoe4 meta. He just uses basic and theoretical knowledge and a lot of micro.

@@niki8280 I'm a long-time AoE2 fan. I've been watching the comp seen for more than 15 years. It will always hold a special place in my heart. Having said that, I'm rooting for AoE4's competitive scene and am really hoping to see more of my favorite AoE2 players get involved. The game had a rough start... Hot keys, unbalanced civs were avoidable mistakes, but the game is in a good place right now (just needs better map design!). I hope Hera, Daut, Jordan, Nili, and others give it another shot.

@@MattSmith-il4tc they already did. Hera and Viper started this year playing aoe4. They both won one S-tier tournament there while Liereyy was in the military. Then viper made the semis in n4c or some other aoe4 tpurney even though he had just shifted from an aoe2 tourney a week before. Tati, daut, accm, yo, vivi played it half seriously. That's why none of the big three won S-tier tournaments in aoe2 in 2022. They all came back halfway through the year and had to reacclimate. Viper visibly struggled with hotkeys and tendencies went he came back. We're all mostly showing support. We watched and cheered aoe4's part of rbwl. I barely ubserstand it but we do our part.

@@niki8280 I know all that. But they all left. That's why I said I hope they give it ANOTHER shot.

Viper needs to focus on AoE4 if he want to remain a progamer. It will be the same story as it was with Starcraft, the most hardcore fanbase will stick with AoE2, but there will be much more attention, audience, updates, turnaments and just much more of everything for AoE4.

Trueeee lmao

Lol tbf to drongo I was pretty much the same post patch playing the Ottos lol, was like wat the fuck was that

Just finally stop. Get a life, go touch grass, please.

yes, often.

If viper one based it and just spammed archers and sipahi in the feudal age, I say good luck holding that as the Malians. Javelin Throwers are good in low numbers. Once you get 30+ archers they become largely irrelevant. You kill any spears so quickly and then the sipahi get on top of the Javelin Throwers and there's not much you can do. What viper did was fine but off meta.

Siege mechanics and water are lackluster but at least viable army comps are somewhat realistic compared to AoE2. If I want to play AoE i'll play 4 over any other.

Yes brother I agree with you, these bustards( I am talking about decider of game balance) are so determined that keep ottomans weak. I wouldn’t surprise if they are from Greece in stuff. 😂

I mean this map is Malians best map, idk if we can get this situation in other map, specifically open map

Also in one on one this should never work, because on pro Niveau on other maps Mali can’t survive the first 20 minutes,

And overall Malians suck in one on one

Yet Abbasid trade is just as good I think.

@@berserk1934 abbasid trade isn't close

Saw some couple plays in the ladder but they all do different things you can tell there’s no one “meta build order” with a timing push anymore

Yes you are first

he did play this on stream