@@6davie It's more like Vault Tech's idea and she knows it was/is because Hanks cast friend mentions it. So the idea of VT dropping the nuke was a conspiracy but also true in their world. Though we've already seen that VT is mainly white but it doesn't mean only white people will be bad, as I am sure she knows VT are bad as she mentions with or without her VT still exists, so she has sided with bad people to potentially guarantee her safety (maybe next season we'll see her in charge of a vault).
@@condorX2 well, communism has never worked without being propped up by capitalism, and yet people keep trying it anyways. Repeating something over and over expecting a different result is the literal definition of insanity.
@@mclovin2155completely missed the point of the quote. She’s not an actual communist, the fallout world is stuck in the style of the 50’s. It’s a play on the red scare of the 50’s. Anyone’s who disagreed with the status quo is a communist, politics didn’t matter
@@mclovin2155 She meant that some people tag their opponents as "communists" simply to undermine their arguments and not because they are actual communists.
I love how Mr House is the only one who is openly critical of the idea. He is also the only one who doesn't throw out any vault ideas. Assuming this meeting is after 2065, then he has already made his predictions and has his plan underway. All he needed was information, and he was able to get it. He played their game and got Vault Tec to show their hand without revealing his.
@@Honey-Badgerinhouse definitely isn’t evil. He’s most likely true neutral. He isn’t even in this for personal gain, he just has a direct fascination with solving problems, and the nuclear apocalypse is just another problem to solve. He’s a pure capitalist
This meeting is in 2075, at the earliest. Pretty sure Cooper’s daughter is the same age in the backstories as in the intro, when the bombs fall. Most likely this is probably only a few months before the war, giving them time to establish experiments for each vault.
@@Slick-Salamander It predicted that the new currency would have the same shape as coins, but they dismissed the idea of bottle caps until courier suggested it
All I want to see is who among them was the absolute, utter genius who suggested locking up just one dude in a vault with a box of hand puppets and what was everyone else's reaction to that idea. 😂
I believe that vault was closed behind him. There was supposed to be other I'm the vault but things being hectic during nuclear holocaust, nobody made it and he was left to be the sock puppet king
Hearing this conversation is bad enough but Imagine hearing your own Wife/significant other Suggesting that they will be the ones to Personally Nuke the world. I mean how can you not be shellshocked by this..?
@@immortaljanus maybe threatened to expose her if she didn't give custody of the daughter? But I'm not sure cause it seems like no one cares even if they exposed their actual intent as the government was clearly in on it.
It gets worse when you're a war veteran who bled and sacrificed a lot to defend your country's soil, culture, and its people. It's really tragic imo, Barb wasn't probably like this when she married Cooper. Her greed for power in vault-tec probably corrupted her as time went on.
I dont know what's funnier the fact that none of them actually succeeded in what they wanted, at least in the long term, or the fact that those who stop their plans or stop the consequences of many of those plans were as follows: Fallout: the local water boy Fallout 2: descendent of the local water boy Fallout 3: a kid looking for the dad that went to get some milk Fallout nv: the freaking mailman Fallout 4: the single parent
@@zjuraeventide8949Idk, giant megacorporations being genocidally stupid and being thwarted by regular people is just about the least silly message I can think of. Something we really need right now.
To be fair she explicitly starts the sentence with “when I think about the future”, so it seemed somewhat normal to me that it’s her daughter she’d mention.
I remember this being a very old fan theory about who started the nuclear war, this scene makes me feel like DiCaprio pointing at my TV because of both House and the theory.
@@cantionaleecclesiasticum5378 there has already been multiple theories on this. Its nothing new m8. Bomb in Megaton in F3 literally has vault-tec logo on it xD
If I remember correctly, this theory came from the original fallout bible, back in the 90s. When fallout story was first written it was planned to be a movie. At the climax the vault dweller found the CEO of vault tech (who had put his brain in a jar) had started the war to put his product to use.
Grow up. And shut up. Imagine having that as your favorite quote, shill / moronic much. Out of every quote in existence, you are like, COOL QUOTE FROM VIDEO GAME. MY FAV! Grow up. Show sucks, and quote sucks. War never changes is to the point and isn't Disney like this shitty show is.
Whether or not they did drop the bombs isn’t the point here: it’s the fact that they planned to. The fact that Robert House says that the vault experiments are only hypothetical is what causes them to reveal it to everyone else. I’d like to think that this meeting is what convinced House that he needed a fallback plan, if he didn’t have one already. He clearly had known the end was nigh in FNV and was preparing, but he didn’t know when it would happen. In fact, his treatment of Vault 22 makes me think that he wasn’t on board with this, and evicted the vault dwellers there out of spite to Vault-Tec in order to mess with their plans.
I don’t think that they actually dropped the nukes simply because why would his wife who’s been doing all this to protect his daughter and him before the divorce? Why would she let her daughter go with him if she knew vault tec was going to drop the nuke? On that day Though I agree the point is that they would’ve done it if it meant profitability
@Kasumiwumi Or Barb changed a lot for the worse as she climbed up the vault-tec ladder. Imo, I don't think Barb was that twisted when she met Cooper. As the story went by, she probably got more power hungry.
I'm also surprised Poseidon energy wasn't at that table. Theyre the ones who built the oil rig which the Enclave fled to a month before the Great War of 2077.
I imagine the government is pissed at vault-tec for buying them out. So forming the Enclave would be a big middle-finger and largest sign of resistance against them and show that the government still has power.
@@imgvillasrc1608 No, they're basically one and the same, this scene is probably the start of what would become the Enclave. I mean, shit, the Enclave had direct access to all the Vaults in the country in Fallout 2 and even wore the blue jumpsuits. Their connection couldn't get any more obvious than that.
Because the show is inaccurate. Most of the show runners have never touched a fallout title, don't know what the game series wasteland is. And overall insult to the game series.
That reaction Cooper has is astounding. The level of detail including even your ears ringing like a gunshot after hearing something like that. The shock, the heartbreak, it feels like your brain shuts off bc you can’t process anything else other than that. They nailed this scene.
you can tell that he was holding out hope and in denial when she mentioned the vault's being available to the others, like as if the executives reactions were corrupting what her intentions were in her attempt to reel them in. But with that last statement, he realized she was one of them and it was the intention all along.
@@feelcollins4358 No. She was doing her job. Tells me more about her boss, that she feels compelled to obey then rebel. Her life and those she loves would be killed so easily. She seems like the corporate type. Its basically militaristic. You just do and dont ask questions. The check will be in the mail type person.
@@alexjack5158 she didn't look "compelled" to obey. She just has no morals, agreeing to start a nuclear war so that she and only those she cares about can get a "safe pass" doesn't absolve the fact she agreed with the idea that it's okay to kill countless others in the process
I used to do door to door marketing and used to sell life insurance. When Cooper’s friend said that vault -tech had a “fiduciary responsibility” to make its investors money…. that’s when I knew they did it.
@@cognitivedisability9864 im kinda hoping they go in the direction of "they were planning to drop the bombs, but china find out so they dropped their first", but vault-tec dropping them also works
@@Valseili mean lore/canonwise it’s ambiguos cause even the aliens are involved on who pressed the button first, even in games we know the plans of vault tech but never who did it. But we do see a vault tech nuke in 3 but also we see the implication of the aliens being involved and even the possibility of faking a man made bomb with their ray as it replicates a human nuke. It could’ve been the UK, CHINA, aliens, the US themselves and vault tech.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2ncblud wym you not gonna watch because it retcons. Give it a try! You can still not regard it as ‘canon’ as the games but its very good nonetheless
@@daniellewycky6953The guy in the show is great. He played House exactly how I wanted him to be played. Cold, calm and considerate. But simply, René Auberjonois is irreplaceable in everything
Correction. They had plans to drop the bomb. Nowhere does it say they went trough with it. In fact it's much more likely one of the other factions beat them to it. Seeing as how they were nowhere near done with their plans.
I've not seen anything in the games that says valtech fired the bombs but I have seen there logo on the megaton bomb but yes you are correct they haven't actually told us as of yet
I find it mental people actually think Vault Tec dropped the bombs even though all the evidence show against that. Like, can you imagine how much of insane idea it would be to make Cooper pay for Janey's alimony only to get nuked by his ex wife along with his daughter? Hilarious.
@@allanlock4561 People seem to really want gaslight themselves over this theory because some people in the past already mistaken megaton bomb logo for vault tec, but truth is its a different sign
The powerful americans considerong dropping a atomic bomb in Hiroshima... and the kicker was "hey, what if we drop ANOTHER?" damn monsters, this scene must have been easy to create
@@Subpar1O1Guy representing Jollibee here, I can attest. McDonald's is gonna respect Jollibee territory in the Philippine Commonwealth. Our vault experiment is to see how long Filipinos can adapt and survive without eating rice and chicken.
@@luigithemaniac3840? How is it his "wife's true nature" when she's literally didn't start speaking until she got the message from the shadowy figure above?
Dude the show fucking sucks. It's terribly inaccurate of the game series. Props, acting, moronic designs of "robots" and shitty sfx makeup. Show is shithouse, fan made series is better and that sucked also. Not to mention, 10+ year old fan series, which trumps this 1000X fold.
"I am all-powerful Time which destroys all things, and I have come here to slay these men. Even if thou doest not fight, all the warriors facing thee shall die." - The Baghavad Gita. Most people know this verse by the translation given by Dr. Oppenheimer: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
And you were right. There are many scenes far more heartbreaking than this lol. It's more heartbreaking that they reduced the apocalypse to such a whacky Dr Evil plan and undermined the entire Fallout universe
@@richter6699oh puuuuleeease. The first game's villain had the genius plan to flood the wastelands with dumb sterile supermutants. Oh and he looked like he was melted in a microwave and had the super cool and serious name "The Master." That description of the master alone makes this scene in the fallout tv show look like game of thrones level of drama. Btw I love fallout 1. Just making a point.
@lordflashheart3706 Their choice was fine I just like René Auberjonois...he did a FANTASTIC job playing House on Fallout Vegas and Odo on Star Trek DS9.
When he says the psychotropic drugs he’s talking about vault 106. The vault was in the capital wasteland and after 10 days the drugs were pumped in the ventilation system . Everyone went insane after just a few hours lost the ability to read and killed each other . 200 years later wastelanders would enter it and go insane putting on vault 106 suits convinced they were vault dwellers and kill each other again.
VaultTec didn’t actually drop the bomb first though, they had plans to do so. But when the peace negotiations failed due to VaultTec’s interference. China launched, and the bombs fell at 9:47 am eastern time oct, 23, 2077.
Kinda dumb though if you ask me. Vault-tec could've reaped a lot more profit by simply auction room space in the vaults. Then auction as well their plan b and c to those who can't afford the vaults. Really, when you think about it, Vault-tec would've profited far more during peacetime, cause during wartime, there would be no one who would buy their products (except the Enclave, maybe). They just shot themselves like what happened to Wilzig. Crippled but still alive.
@@imgvillasrc1608 Ultimately it's just terrible writing. Over the years they've centered the lore (and show) far too much around Vault Tec, who started out as a secondary player at best.
With Fallout, they have jumped around who dropped the bomb from alien mind control to the corporations viewed here. They continue to leave it ambiguous like all writings for tv or movies. It's unfortunately, how they draw people back with the cliffhangers.
@cmt6997 I'd just let this fault slide mostly because Fallout's lore has always shown to be best viewed in a satirical manner rather than serious. I mean, how power armor is presented and the whole NCR-Legion War itself is a dead giveaway.
This is a legendary scene. Cooper Howard reaction is great acting. I had a feeling that Vault Tech would be crazy enough to do this and it kind of ties into the F76 vault dweller main mission(securing the silos). I think Vault Tech dropped two bombs(One in the USA and the other in China). Then after that, a massive misunderstanding and a nuclear war= “I don’t want to set the world on fire” 🎵
Yes because we mustn't offend Great Communist China and retain what happened in the video games, like where a full fledged war happened and as China was being beaten used nukes and resulting in America launching theirs and *kabloom* , it's gotta be some monstrously stupid "plot" by a bunch of 'rich capitalists' to somehow make a bunch of money by murdering most of the human beings in the country and the earth 🤷♂️
It makes sense, with the undetonated bomb in DC as we see in Fallout 3. They bomb the two world capitals, and everyone thinks the guns aren't under the table anymore, and start firing like crazy before they even check who the bomb is from (we can see in fallout 3 the bomb is a vault tec one, but I doubt the US even sent agents to check what it was.) Not a massive bombing, just a single push of the domino
There's a chance that the government also encourage them to do this so they keep their hand clean while secretly building Enclave. Peace talk my ass, there's no way the US agree to that with the world resource depleted
I loved how the representatives of Big MT, West Trek and Repconn were coming up with experiment ideas for some of the vaults that were implemented into vault 11, 51, 87 106 and 75.
The bombs were going to drop no matter what, if the Americans didn’t do it, the Chinese would, if the Chinese didn’t, vault tec would, if vault tec didn’t, the zetans would.
In 2076, the president or vice president of Vault tec was abducted by zetans over the construction of Vault 76. I think it prevented a lot of people from being nuked from the Appalachian nuclear silos.
Still remember the AI that confessed to starting the war because “predicting outcome was too difficult with so many variables.” This was in older game, probably brotherhood of steel.
Man, Goggins is such an unappreciated acting gem. The moment his wife revealed that they will be the ones to trigger the Great War, you can just see his soul shatters. Absolutely heartbroken.
I love how during their brief “brainstorm” they mentioned experiments run in actual Vaults from previous games that are canon. - “pump the air system full of psychotropic drugs” - Vault 106 - “use FEV to make supermutant soldier” - Vault 87 - “Separate parents from children” - Vault 75 - “Overcrowd a vault” - Vault 15 It really shows the love and care that the writers have for the games. Can’t wait for season 2!
I thought Vault 15's experiment was basically having a bunch of people with opposing political and moral values all crowded together. Which explains how it eventually formed the NCR but also raider gangs like the Khans.
Interestingly enough, comparing the events that transpire in the games and knowing what we know from the series it is actually quite possible that Vault Tec did initiate the apocalypse by detonating a nuclear bomb on America. In this reunion we can see key figures of the world of Fallout, most important, Mister House, Frederick Sinclair and Leon van Felden. First and foremost Mister House: he knew the bombs would eventually drop so he built a an advanced system that could stop however many might target his domain (New Vegas), this kind of system would’ve been incredibly expensive and being the kind of man that he was he wouldn’t have built it ‘just in case’ but because he knew (probably due to this very meeting that we now see play out). Then we have Frederick Sinclair, Big MT associate that built a casino in the middle of nowhere, a place that while unaffected by the bombs (IE. there is no actual nuclear damage to the buildings of the villa or the casino beyond that which the radioactive storms caused, the lackluster materials from which it was built and the cloud which was corrosive too). He built it as a safe haven for the woman he loved knowing that it would survive even if he could not predict how unstable the cloud was. Finally Leon von Felden, head chief scientist of West Tek, the creators of the power armor and most importantly the Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV) which created the supermutants. Though he was a chief staff member of West Tek he wasn’t in the headquarters of West Tek (which was hit with so many bombs it turned into ‘The Glow’ a place where no life will ever grow both due to the FEV released into the atmosphere and the radioactive cloud from so many explosions) when the bombs dropped and instead was in secret military base (Mariposa) where, if not for being interrogated at the hands of Maxson (founder of the Brotherhood of Steel) after the soldiers there found out they were doing human testing, would’ve survived the nuclear apocalypse. They knew what would happen with certainty and they knew how to be prepared for it. They also mention key experiments from the games, the FEV experiments in Vaults and the hallucinogens in the ventilation system… I think they did drop the bombs.
I agree, but the thing is, she says "By dropping the bomb ourselves." Sure this could mean, using THE atomic bomb, however, I think it is more likely that the plan is: Vault-Tec drops one bomb on America. That alone is enough to start the war. Everyone is so hot-headed and afraid, one general orders a retaliatory strike without waiting for more info. The enemy then detects a wave of nukes. Thus, mutually assured destruction occurs. This way, vault-tec was responsible for THE atomic bomb that started it all.
They didnt. There are multiple reasons to suspect that they didnt. 1- those in charge of many vaults were caught unprepared and many experiments and vaults were not ready yet when the bombs dropped 2- the earliest mentions of nuclear activity occurred from American radar picking up Chinese warheads and subs enroute to the states 3- one of the creators of fallout stated the war started when the Chinese discovered the American FEV and demanded they cease those experiments. When the US refused China launched the nukes
What's funny is that prior to this TV series, I distinctly remember there being a movie scrip and within that script, it hinted that Vault Tec were the ones that dropped bombs on both China and the U.S. Both sides thought they launched their nukes at each other, and the rest is set in stone, with the nuclear exchange lasting only two hours. Now, I can't find it.
I think this revelation was the most fittingly fallout thing to come out of the series. It reframes the whole series because the wasteland itself, which they helped create, is itself the product. The eternal 1950’s aesthetic, the stifling of progress even after 300 years and the NCR, even the damn slogan of the series (War Never Changes) is all a Vault-Tec “product” in a way. It’s the absolute nightmare scenerio of capitalism. I’m really anxious to see how much further it goes
Bud is such a perfect representation of corporate evil. Every time we see him he's absolutely giddy to be the center of attention and get to talk about his little ideas. He's so in love with his own cleverness. But to those of us living in the real world, we see exactly the wrong kind of person to be behind the wheel of the future.
at first I thought "is he oblivious to the evil he's doing ?" but after a second viewing; Bud KNOWS what he's doing. And he enjoys it. Not in a massive "I'm a sadistic killer" way, but in a bland "job well done" kind of way . This is the guy who pushes the button on the gas chamber, then goes home to a meal and sleeps soundly. He's not EVIL , he's just, kinda sorta evil. "everyday evil" as Sir Terry Pratchett put it.
Just want to point out that this is how House knew to a mathematical certainty that nuclear war was inevitable; this meeting right here. Vault tec straught up tells him that theyre gonna do it. NV lore is completely intact and this isnt a retcon: this explains how he knew it was going to happen: vault tec basicallt said "if they dont, we will so it doesnt matter" Great attention to detail here. Cant believe people are taking this stuff and making up ridiculous conclusions.
Not really arguing here, just pointing out that this meeting happened near the time the bombs dropped whereas house said he made his calculations in 2065 which would be at least a decade before this. I still don't consider it a retcon however, as there's no reason to believe that house didn't already know the war was coming and still go to meetings like this
@@Bothrops_Asper_89Adding to this, nowhere during the meeting did House agree with anyone else's heinous ideas. He brought questions and criticism to the table just to get confirmation of what everyone else was planning. He likely didn't agree whatsoever, so he was never given the exact time Vault-Tec would start nuking, which is how he lost the Platinum Chip in the first place.
It's weird to me that people are acting like the idea of Vault Tec starting the great war is absurd or lore-breaking. Over the course of the series, we've seen hints that this was the case, and heck, there was even a suggestion that _ALIENS_ started it. I always stand by my personal headcannon: it doesn't matter. The whole series, the environment itself, everything -- it all works in service of the idea that *everyone* dropped the bomb. The great war exists in the lore as an inevitability: the product of war itself. It could have been Vault Tec detonating nuclear devices WHILE China struck first WHILE aliens got the launch codes. All on the same day. But what does that change? Who cares who "started it"? The end result is the same because war...war never changes.
This, the mystery of who dropped the bombs was always so thrilling, now that we know who actually did it makes me think that we're not sure that Vault-Tek were the one that did it because I prefer for it to be a little mystery.
Exactly. Doesnt matter who started the war, but it's important to know everyone had a hand in it. This was an easy premise to come to, enough that after the intro for the whole series' plot, you realize the only thing that mattered was the present the survivors and their descendants now had to live with.
I don' t think her reasons can change the fact She Is responsible too and in complicity with this tragic idea..she knew and she did not anything to prevent. She Is a Monster...
"The House always wins" - he knew them well enough to know what the game was, Mr House is like Otto von Bismarck, he always has a plan and that plan has several others in the works, knowing being the supreme leader of America is a dream come true
I think he's just mad that he doesn't get to direct the development of all the vaults, that his idea is just treated as one of a hundred possible experiments
Walton Goggins acting in this scene in particular was incredible. The emotion in his eyes and whole face once he heard his wife on the agreement of the nuke was haunting….
This scenario is the most illogical conclusion anybody could come to 😂 you would have to be a complete nutjob to think this. Even common sense should tell you this level of thinking is idiotic
I can only agree to that theory with Barb being a member of the Enclave. The hints are just too god damn strong for this theory. Her getting the message and then looking up to the shadowy figure, her suggesting to start with the nukes themselves, i mean these are just 2 hints, but these two hints *smell* like Enclave, so i think this is a safe 100% correct guess and not just a theory.
In just a few seconds Barb went from being a pretty normal by the books wife/mother character to one of the most evil characters in the franchise's entire history
I pray S2 has Mr. House. Him questioning the vault tech execs was easily the most satisfying part of the season for me knowing the NV lore. My only fear is that in attempt to not canonize any NV endings, he won't appear in S2. He is easily the best Fallout character of all time.
Honestly, the idea of Vault-Tech starting nuclear attacks is pretty good. Given the fact none of their vaults - aside from the ones they would inhabit - were created to save lives, it always gave me the idea that a) they took advantage of the geo-political climate for their own gain or b) didn't want to lose money on vaults that may never be used if the war ended peacefully and so they took matters into their own hands. No one goes to that much effort of human experimentation without a guarantee there'd be humans to experiment on. I quite like this addition to the Fallout lore.
Not even mentioning the undetonated bomb in Megaton, I distinctly remember reading that theory in-game in Fallout 3. Whether in the main game itself, or in the Mothership Zeta DLC. Its as much a possibility that VT dropped the first bomb, as China finally dropping it on the US, to the aliens obtaining the launch codes to the nukes while in space. They may reveal in S2 that VT intended to drop it but got beat to the punch. Who knows? Im excited to watch what they do though, the show knocked it out of the park so hard it made me buy New Vegas since I never played it!
"what if we made a vault, and just put in one guy" "Huh?" "Oh he won't be alone, he has himself and his other self, and his other selves to keep him company! Were gonna clone him and only him." "I dont know how a cloning venture would work with just one guy, but...i mean go off i guess?"
in case some of you think this is exagerated or silly, ive seen and heard fantastically rich people talk about us common people like this in real life, as a waiter in events catering to the ultrea rich. It wouldnt surprise me if one day those same people stage a war with china in a desperate bid to stave off western collapse and prevent the global south from claiming the top spot. In fact I'm certain this is exactly what's going to happen in the near future.
Truly rich and powerful people are insanely desensitized from humanity, couldn't even begin to tell you the very small amount of shit I witnessed in LA years ago
It's adorable that you think the global south will ever claim the top spot. Your beloved social democracies are the ones most oppressive of the global south. The EU has been weakening its restrictions on countries like France, explicitly so that they can sabotage and brutalize Africa. Meanwhile, China is frothing at the mouth to burn all of Asia to the ground.
Tht still doesn't explain why they would give up their riches just to invest the rest of their lives in some weird obsessed experiment underground and why any company would go through with this when there's no profit motive. Even a corporation wouldn't be able to amount to this because the government wouldn't be able to govern anything left.
Even though i knew EXACTLY what they were gonna say about the Nukes, this was still REALLY hard to watch. There are legitimate greedy people in the world just like this, all it takes is one horrbile decision.
I absolutely love how, despite the canonical issues with the show compared to the game, they kept Robert House as this ambiguous, true neutral. He is committed to the purest logic. He also knows they’re bloodthirsty psychos. He never trusted any of them. This claim is made all throughout New Vegas. There’s a reason he is the soul surviving member of that meeting, at least by 2281.
Yeah i do wonder about that. Im thinking maybe when they say the bombs dropped, they actually mean the bombs DROPPED. No smoke trails. Just air dropped bombs. How they got past any surveillance or detection, dont ask me.
An ICBM enters the atmosphere, then cruises to a release point where the multiple stages begin detaching. The final stage which is the reentry vehicle with warhead has no engine on the back to create an exhaust plume, it has an extremely high ballistic coefficient to manage it’s sonic sound signature, and you’ll hear the detonation before you hear that anyway.
@@woodrowcall3158 i saw a video here on youtube, of the russians testing their icbm. it has a distinct white stripe as it descends, from the high temperature such a direct entry into the atmosphere creates.
@@Mario-xk4hr no he is making the point that they did in fact stage those explosions from the ground, it wasnt an attack from any foreign country but a setup by vault tec to start the cataclysm that would ensure their business stays profitable and they remain the major monopoly
House: My "esteemed peers" intended to conquer the free market by lighting a match and waiting until the fire burns itself out. When the fires consume them, I intend to be the man selling water.
This just adds to the horror of Coop's situatuion in episode 1, seeing it all go off not only knowing that it was all pre-planned, but that his wife very likely could have pressed the button herself. Poor guy.
Someone watched over them during the meeting, someone who could control Vault-Tec (My guess was the Enclave) So even if Vault-Tec really drop the bomb, it was by the order of Enclave.
Here is the power structure of the vault-tec corporation and the big FOUR THE ENCLAVE THE INSTITUTE VAULT-TEC CORPORATION west-tek big Mt ROBCO REPCONN
I know Mr House grabs all the atention here, but I love how this scene confirms that Frederick Sinclair built the Sierra Madre casino as a huge fortress and shelter for Vera Keyes, because he already knew the bombs were going to drop
I always preferred the idea that they were simulating conditions and obstacles we’d face on a colony ship in space and it’s a shame they didn’t stick with that
I love Tim Cain but that's really boring. *"Earth is screwed, lets see how humans can handle space-travel (that will never happen)."* The corporate conspiracy direction here is just a lot more riveting. Plus with the vaults in New Vegas having really F'ked-up yet very memorable social experiments, of which is written by most of the OG Fallout 1/2 guys, it makes no sense why these are even meant to show how humans would behave in an isolated ship. Select people cryogenically freezing themselves defeats that entire preface.
@@thepaintingbanjo8894 You can have the corporate conspiracy part here and still have the goal be research for a long distance spaceship. It makes more sense to me, this entire plan here is very confusing. They're going to inherit the earth by...putting a select few in VIP vaults, than assume that nobody in the experimental vaults and on the surface will survive, than kill any that do after they're done coming out of Cryo, which they will spend hundreds of years waiting to do for no apparent reason long after the surface is inhabitable, so they can rule a wasteland of ruins with a breeding pool of people they put in Vaults with a communist system of living, so they can "win" the capitalist game and be the top of the food pile? Why have control vaults, why give Vaults GECKs, why make Vaults even survivable at all, why wait hundreds of years to come out of Cryo, why keep a breeding pool society in the dark that can turn against you, why set up a war against the other Vaults and wastelanders, why all this to inherit an irradiated planet... ..it makes more sense to me that they plan to get on a spaceship, use the vaults experiments research data to inform how to handle the trip across generations, and they are simply apathetic about what happens to everyone who survived they left on earth You can keep the corporate conspiracy angle, but the goal of the conspiracy makes no sense IMO. Tim's spaceship plan outline does. The experiments themselves can still be crazy, not necessarily the most logical think to test for spaceship living research.
@@thepaintingbanjo8894 Except they mention it would take many hundreds of years to reach a space colony, and the cryogenic freezing fails after like 200ish years based on fallout 4. I'd imagine the executive vault is on its last legs, probably gonna be the plot for next season.
"when i think about the future, i think about my daughter...how do i provide her a Better future" 2 mins later: proceeds to explain how She Is going to provide this Better future by bombing her daughter own country with nukes...wtf??
Funny thing, that wasn't actually the experiment there. It was to test conflict for leadership positions in a vault that was designed to fail. The cloning was a side project that went horribly wrong
