"They have skills that make F1 drivers look like amateurs!" | Why rally drivers are built different 

How can they be the best racers when there's barely any racing in that series

Best racers you mean every other series

​@@timmynicolas8729so where are the American F1 world champions then?

@@philh3709 what are even you talking about ?

​@philh3709 might want to check your history pal. 2 F1 world drivers champions from America. (And no I am not American before you whine). Do better......

Tbf Hans Stuck said the same thing in 76 lol

Hahaha. First time hearing this. Good one

@@papa_pt never think that a particular saying, whatever it might be, has never been said before.

@@wyldeyouth never said that did I? This one WAS said before, by Stuck. Idk about, nor made any claim about before him.

Michael Schumacher did a 15 Kilometer run with Röhrl and he jumped out like David Coulthard described: You guns are crazy…

The current rally cars have a bit of downforce too... nothing compared to F1 but more than ever before in rallying.

@paulhope3401 Rally cars have been producing downforce since Group B.

@@paulhope3401the joke is the cars arent the most aerodynamic, but they are held down simply because of the weight of their balls to drive like that

@sentriple5120 Yeah, I do get it but I just wanted to point out that the current WRC cars have more downforce than ever before. Apologies for ignoring your joke. 😊

@watersnortmoment3734 Yes... but not as much as they do now... or at least as efficiently.

That's the setting, you forget it's often on public roads, so you have people, animals etc my favourite crash is in lake Como or somewhere there, there a hairpin turn around a tall building to one side, not even knee high wall to the other with q drop. Guys come flying & smash into a parked car, where were they supposed to go? so it's reactions as well. Fq has had a dragon or umbrella on the track a few times, but nowhere near the same

@FarTooRightgood so it should be easy for you to don then right?

@FarTooRight yes they push on buttons and the car wins alone?? wth are you people on?

@FarTooRight okay, so you know absolutely nothing about f1. good to know

Agreed... F1 is the hobby that paid him enough to make rally driving his other hobby. Robert Kubica was one of my favorite F1 drivers. He nearly tore his arm off in a rally car.

@@timhilton7254 He only tried rally, he's a motocross guy, and that's his hobby.

​@@Sertifilmfaoo he got the motoxp team in 2022. Hes beein doin rally for ages hes finish

Kimi drink and drift at same time. What eh crazy beast he was. 😂

​@@ThePaulz80don't forget the boat racing in a gorilla suit 😅😅😅..

So true pal

Telling what? That’s it’s fking scary to be in the passenger seat?

​@@mr.goodcat582That rally drivers are incredibly talented and better drivers overall than F1 drivers. You're not all there, are you? You're in my prayers.

⁠@@kh7688 Not necessarily better. They utilise different set of skills to race in rally than the guys in F1 do.

​@@mr.goodcat582nonce

Yeah i never realized how masterful rally drivers were until i started following it more after F1 drivers says they're on another level and use rally to learn more. Their foot work, steering work, feel for the car and how they make it look so smooth on rough roads convinced me that rally drivers invented physics.

@@JwowSaechao that's a good one they invented physics just so that they could ignore them right after

@@fireblow6842 they left a backdoor in the Sourcecode of the physics open for them

​@@solargmbh649hope the devs dont find it and patch it.

Who is the best f1 driver who said that😂

Yeah and that co-driver has the biggest balls/most bottle going. To be doing those speeds that close to trees and real dangerous hazards while not even being in control of the car 😳. Some people are just different. They are like the passengers on the isle of man side cars, both things I would never be able to even nearly become.

I absolutely agree with you.

Rally is unique in that both the driver and the spectators are insane.

Aggree

​@@elguapo7970nah I think the co-driver is easy. Just keep looking down at the notes, and yell something at the driver every time your head stops being squeezed against the door

by far

Lmao not even close, take any fast car and see who does a faster lap around any circuit. F1 driver is king

@@lucignolo8333driving and racing are not the same at all, I am an F1 fan myself and to try to be blind to the immense talent of rally drivers is just stupid

@@smortypot they are incredibly talented but around the track the f1 driver is faster with almost any vehicle

@@lucignolo8333 ok? and Rally drivers have a faster time on the track they actually compete on too. That’s a stupid comparison, which literally proves nothing

Part of the reason for that is because it was originally a rallying competition just for rally drivers. However, they still are very competitive on the tarmac courses

Well it's mostly done on rally course though with rally car

@@rockzs74r No it isn't. It's done on various courses in various cars.

@@bremCZIt’s not high speed though. F1 and most circuit racing is about managing balance at high speed.

@@RobManser77 So is drag racing...

Soothing mild scottish, mannered voice.

He used to live in Monaco, you know.

@@jamesthecatand hit didnt effect his voice what do ever do why mention it?

​@n0body550 godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died

@@lup1up 3 letters at the start of a word where wrong because my huge thumbs and you couldn’t decipher it? How dare you call Godzilla stupid, i hope he steps on your home

-0.2 tho

I'd say "purist" rather than "best". There are more exhilarating motorsports to watch, but in terms of being one with the car, extracting the last millisecond out of any course? Rally drivers are the best, the purist racers.

Depends, for some, the technology is what makes racing so they watch F1, for others, on track action is more their style so Indycar, and for the final group, some people really enjoy drivers pushing the limits of a car in death defying scenarios.

@@bedfordtiger "There are more exhilarating motorsports to watch" That may be true, but possibly not be involved in, the feeling of flying a 1100kg lump off the top of a crest is something else ;)

Road racing on superbikes is on another level to it

​@@cerberus1321isle of mans tt is nuts

Or WRC+ one.

I think you find rally cars are a lot faster today than Group B cars of the mid 80s

@@andrewpowers2904 WRC plus and Rally1 are waaay faster.

@@hillclimbracingfan5821 except these days they don't have to drive them through crowds of people.. lol

@@martynwarry6800 Well,there would be just as bad or even worse images if they did.

😂😂❤

Way bigger

Knowing that you could die with any fuckups definitely requires more balls than padded barriers, I’ll give you that.

Rally drivers have more skills and highers skills.

Rally driver balls are so big they generate their own gravity

everyones balls generate their own gravity as any matter generates gravity 🤓

It's all about balls..

Respect for both… very fast speeds on difficult tracks.

No the thing is the place they drive if you drive of the track in f1 you have safety features to stop and preserve you in rally you have trees, rocks or a long way down.

​@@jone8626talking like you've ever driven an F1 car.... Amusing

@@jone8626the G’s don’t make it easy tho lol

Kubica one of the best ever, oh sorry how many wins he got?

​@@pen7759 His fans compete with the Hulk fans for biggest consumers of copium annually.

Raikkonen also did rally

Kubica is (or was..) a bit of hit and miss. He was very quick but he also crashed a LOT..

Lots of F1 drivers have tried their hand at Rally. Coulthard is coping.

Michèle is above 😜

​@@thewhiterabbit7548she certainly made Vatanen eat his words . I mean this respectfully, Ari is one of the greatest .

@@thelonerizla1 according to Vatanen Loeb is the GOAT

@aiwass84 can't really argue with that, but I will . While Loeb is 100% the most successful, I still think Toivonen was the greatest.

​@thelonerizla1 Toivonen, McCrae, Loeb, Rohrl, Kankkunen, Makinen, Blomqvist, Sainz, Vatenen, Biasion, Mouton, Mikkola.... all amazing drivers, I am a McCrae fan but Rohrl was special. Toivenen... I wish we could have seen more of him.

Boah

Kimi was a joke in WRC, Kubica was winning special stages there and even won WRC2 title..

it could be 2 things.

Conor Cummins. Living proof

Cant realy compare Isle of man and Rally. In Isle of man they Go Balls while having grip on astpalt. In Rally they often dont have much grip Like when they Drive in snow making it Take more skills and risk

To be an F1 driver you have to be a super-skilled driver. To be a Rally driver you have to be beyond human. To be a TT Isle of Man biker you have to just not bother about being dead or alive!

The Isle of Man TT is raced on wide roads with tarmac. Group B was going over 200km/h on a dirt road through a forest. With less than 1 metre between the car and the trees on both sides.

Kubica was a European rally champipn.

@@amjan true kubica is a guy I always regarded as a super capable driver in general not an F1 super star racer

WRC

@@keninswed Slide to survive

​@@freudsigmund72😂

Dont make Netflix do it they will destroy it with woke and non talent as allways

Netflix is not needed to ruin anything more.

Only comment with any sense.

The fact is that just a few of f1 drivers really are able to push a f1 car to its real limit

Yeah saw that think they showed it in top gear as well 👍

I thought it was Robin Gibb.

And Paul McCartney

They are , and they do it for a lot less money than F1 drivers

@@kingcarrot6355 that’s not how that works but alright

@@kingcarrot6355 that's the stupidest thing I've ever read

because people dont really think about it. if everyone knew what rally was and the skill needed to drift on uneven terrain, there’s no competition

It requires an entirely different skill set, that just isn't a good comparison. Put an F1 driver in a WRC car, he won't stay on the road for very long. Put a WRC driver in an F1 car and he gets lapped by the entire field

@@jussieronen3707that isn’t true, f1 drivers have tried their hand at rallying and performed terribly, meanwhile Loeb was the only one given a chance in F1 and he was given a neutered car...

The thing about it is that F1 is (currently) about being precise, while rallying is about managing pure chaos. Its like saying that F1 drivers arent the best truckers because they cant drive big rigs

However we've had multiple F1 drivers that went to rallying and found success (kubica, raikkonen, etc)

F1 is the premier sport. More fans, more viewership. More everything. Except danger, of course.

F1 is in fact the premier motorsport in terms of everything but pure skilful driving. Biggest budget, massive calendar, biggest influence, biggest salaries, biggest net worths. Premier doesn’t just come to the drivers behind the wheels. You could have 20 Mazespins behind the wheel in F1 and despite the 15 spins a race as long as it pulled the same numbers and same logistics it’d still be premier.

In terms of engineering and technological advancement I think it is. F1 tends to have the best engineers developing the cars. In terms of the product it provides it’s fans (the race) it is not. There are elite drivers in F1 and some that are less than impressive. The best or better is hard to quantify. F1 is good at marketing but it’s not the premier example of motor sport., at least not regularly. It has its spectacular moments and then extended periods of awful racing. In North America we get no exposure to rally driving so I’m not at all familiar with it.

I both co-drive and drive in low level rallies (club, some state) and if we're going to crash, I prefer to be the co-driver. When you're co-driving, one doesn't see whats coming, so you just feel it, think 'oh well, here we go' and wait till its over. Whereas the driver sees it coming, knows its their fault, and over all its a much worse feeling.

You know what is way, way worse then Nascar ? People that think "their" racing is the best, like you just did... moronic is not accurate enough to actually describe what my opinion is of arseholes saying stuff you just did.

Nascar actually take the most skill to drive, and when you're up against a whole field of the other best drivers in the world - it makes it the toughest and most skill demanding sport on the entire planet. No other sport on planet earth requires you to travel at those insane speeds while constantly hitting the apex since there are no real straights on the track. F1 and rally drivers mostly drive in a straight line, and find it hard to hit the apex of single corners. Imagine a baby F1 driver trying to not just hit the apex point of a single corner, but to keep within the apex zone of a whole track while having a full field of other drivers around you trying to do the same thing at the same time and at the same track.

You do know nascar doesn’t drive only in ovals right? Plus they race on dirt as well which makes them more of a rally driver (more skilled) than an F1 driver in those conditions

@@oonmm "F1 and rally drivers mostly drive in a straight line"🤣 I don't know which part of the world you're from, but the rest of us have a slightly different understanding of "straight line" Ever saw a drag race?

Meanwhile Indycar is rolling its eyes at F1 and Nascar while giving Rally the nod of approval.

put rovänperä häkkinen to search bar.

I would imagine the rally driver to have the balls to push all the way on a f1 car in a nice clean wide track.

David and Mika are world F1 champions, and David is saying that the 'set of driving skills' required to be a world rally champion is through the roof compared to that required in F1. He's NOT saying Rally champion will always be an F1 champion (and vice versa). He's comparing the overall driver(!!!) skillsets...he's saying Rally champions need to be masters in so many more driving aspects than an F1 champion. That seems fairly obvious ;) The driving skillset required for Nascar/Indy racing is even more narrowed, obviously.

Looks like that video went over your head. The whole thing was about who has the biggest balls and fear tolerance. Nothing to do with winning a race

Rally drivers got big balls but Isle of man drivers are suicidal.

It was like that in rally, but regulations shut down group b, because its not fun anymore if couple guys die every year, year after another. Like in isle of man. 5 dead in one championship is the record if i remember right. Of course it would be interesting to have 1200hp rallycars, that could be done in no time, but dying on regular basis is just dumb

Those guys are clinically insane. They make rally drivers look like choir boys.

DC said "drivers", not "bikers" or "riders". And how one can compare the TT, a singular event on tarmac, to the whole World Rally Champinship callendar of events, where rally drivers are going on whatever the road was made of, through whatever is falling from the sky. Excluding bravery, rally drivers have the broadest driving skill set. TT riders are the bravest.

bikers ride they don’t drive. no comparison

For now.

I remember having this argument like 15 years ago at a bar. I said Loeb is the best driver in the world currently. Guy next to me said Schumacher. Between those two I don’t think there is a wrong answer but I’d rather ride with Loeb when he’s on full kill on that Oinapoina…Ounapoina….whatever that stage is in Rally Finland that’s crazy fast with lots of jumps. I would have a great time, the person in charge of cleaning my seat and nomex suit wouldn’t be happy with me, I’ll tell ya that right now.

@@3PumpChumper Ouninpohja, good effort though

Lmao come on be serious.. rohrl, mikkola, toivonen, blomqvist, mouton are all far greater rally drivers than sebastian loeb will ever be.

Mattias Ekström. Michael Schumacher. Ayrton Senna. Loeb. There is no one true Goat.

Bro, they do not hit 10g+ 😂😂😂😂. They peak *max* at 6g when braking , lmao. And their heart rates average like 150, that's like a long jog. All this info is widely available, idk why you would post such BS ridden lies when everyone can literally Cross your bs.

"look like"

The temps aren't any different in rally.

Atleast they dont gave to worry about driving into a tree

Explain why you are qualified to contradict David Coulthard.

It's been done before. I know Sainz Sr. did a test session with Alonso's 2006 Renault for example. They do better than your average Joe's but they still can't match the F1 guys, at least not at first. Also plenty of F1 drivers like Kimi that wind up doing rally at some stage in their career. I think it's pointless to compare, other than the basic reactions and understanding of car balance they use different skillsets.

@@fergar0206 Loeb was immediately within a second per lap when testing the red bull F1 back while he was still active. But, thats Loeb.

@@drazenbudis7881 a second is an eternity in F1. They're all high level professional drivers so I'm sure with enough time they would be relatively up to speed, no one is good enough to jump in and get there in one session.

@@fergar0206 *within* a second on the very first session for the first time being inside F1 cockpit thats not tailor made for you? Hardly an eternity in that regard.

put a f1 driver in rally car and enjoy the show.

David has always appreciated the rally drivers skillset. He always points out when an F1 driver has been able to transfer rally skills to F1 maneouvres.

Not as crazy fast as many think-Group A cars were faster already.