I'm not sure if the wall to which is refers is the Servian Wall or the Pomerium. The Servian wall was half-ruined by this time, and far too small, while the pomerium was an ex-wall that still existed as a legal boundry.
Actually I belive Remus was more concerned with Romes ability to trade, and according to myth was killed by Romulus and his followers for crossing a ditch which would later become the Pomerian, the origanal wall of Rome.
In the Elysian Fields: Remus: Say it. Romulus: Fuck you! Remus: After you say it. Romulus: You’re really going to force me on this? Remus: I NEED to hear this! Romulus: FINE! YOU WERE RIGHT! Remus: *creepy and satisfied giggling* Romulus: Jump up your own ass and die!
@@stevencooper4422 Nah,.....she was plenty effective until battling the romans and actually ran a nation. Butica just revolted and had her ass handed to her.
Aurelian sounds like he was playing Rome Total War on damn easy mode, taking on everybody with great tactics, or the enemy AI needed to be patched to make it tougher. Cavalry still op in every game.
@@BlueflameKing1 its ridiculous, while in rtw a heavy cavalry charge would route nearly any unite, in m2tw a fucking unite of town militia won't so much as flinch if charged at
@@bob-lk5et I don't know the mechanics, but I think they hd to be nerfed since and castle can just churn our Mailed knights from day 1. Though Jinetes are OP. There's a reason they're seen as general-killers
Quest initiated: Defend the Empire [+] Defend against the barbarians [+] Defend against the Goths [+] Defeat Zenobia and Palmyra [+] Defeat the Tetricus and the Gallic Empire Quest complete! Rewards: Title - Restitutor Orbis
Character trait: *RESTITUTOR ORBIS* _See that man clad in fine robes and golden wreath?_ _Do not be deceived by the stretch of his arms; they are large enough to embrace our world and hold it all together before the worse storms the gods may throw at us._ *Effects:* +8 bonus Public Order in all provinces (faction wide) -20% enemy Agent action success chances when targeting Cities (faction wide) +15% Loyalty per Citizen with the Games and Bread Edict +30% melee defense for all Military units when fighting Barbarians and Secessionist armies.
@@Cancoillotteman i am trying to remember a single successful roman campaign against persia. And my memory fails me. I wanna say Caracala was kinda successful, but not sure. Trajan probably counts as well.
u got any articles to read on this topic? Odaenatus and Belisarius hardly count as Romans. And Im not sure any of Caracala's conquests lasted through the end of the severids. The list of spectacular failures against the persians is probably longer: Crassus, Valerian, Juilan and Jovian, constant rumble in Armenia (Valens being the last one to explot it to go ro war with the persians). There should be more.
The problem is that allot of leaders get called "the great,, even tho it may mean something different in their original language A good example is Steven the Great In Romanian he's known as Ștefan cel Mare witch is more refers to the greatest and strongest or most superior
What's even cooler, when Aurelian died his wife became Emperor. She was the 1st Empress of Rome and ruled for a year to keep stability while the senate looked for a capable replacement for Aurelian. When they did' she voluntarily abdicated power. Did I also mention the pair had a little augusta too' cause they did. The coolest and best family in Roman History went away too soon.
His wife wasn't the de jure empress, though. The senate and the army were so shell shocked by his death that all politics had entered a state of lull. The soldiers didn't want to elect an emperor out of shame so they let the regent carry on. Wives of dead emperors acting as regents wasn't very new. There were commonly called the "mother of the soldiers"
Rex Galilae absolutely, I feel like people try and over exaggerate him like he was a great emperor for the short time but then again he didn't reign long and much better Emperors accomplished more before and after him.
@@contoon1563 They didn't accomplish what he did in 5 years though. I wouldn't compare between other great emperors, they were great in their own right but what he did wasn't short of extraordinary either. If anything, I've noticed some pro-Christians to be slightly biased against him due to his persecution against Christians
Rex Galilae I agree he is one of my favorites, I just think that the victory over Palmyra and the Rebels weren't that impressive but his victories over the Barbarians and his individual battles stand out, and other policies he added were good, but people forget there was other good Emperors during the 3rd century which were just as good if not better. But I think he is amazing just over spoken for, if he lived longer possibly but that goes for a lot of emperors, such as Titus, Claudius Gothicus, even Germanicus could have made a great emperor if he survived ( I know he never was emperor ) but yeah I agree, sorry for long reply
1:56 "I miss sports" For those of you watching this episode well past the year 2020, this episode debuted during the Covid-19 Pandemic. During this time, many sporting events were canceled or put on hold, and large stadium crowds were banned in order to keep the plague under control and prevent mass deaths. Just a little extra history in your Extra History.
And here comes one of the best Roman Emperors ever, on of the Greatest...whose true Greatness, sadly, is overshadowed by his Successors Diocletian and Constantine due to his short Reign. But without his Work, those two would've never amounted to anything.
@@TonyFontaine1988 More like the "role" of the player is overratted itself... nobody could actually do something to prevent the crisis... that dosent make Trajan less capable...
@@Blazo_Djurovic Well Aurelian had Zenobia publicly executed after his triumph where he paraded her around as a war trophy, whereas according to Tacitus (but not Cassius Dio), Boudicca was allowed to kill herself in comparative peace after her entire army got BTFO'd. So I in that regard you could say it was a more hardcore "no girls allowed" notice.
@pokezee king-wolf If Boudicca wasn't a woman, she wouldn't have been remembered today. In the grand scheme of things, she was a pretty mediocre rebel. Her only schtick was that she was a woman lol
@@RexGalilae Finally someone else who understands. Boudicca was a rebel who burned down 2 empty cities and then got wrecked attacking a Roman army which wasn't even a quarter of her army's size. Never understood why she's so famous, she did basically nothing aside from losing in an embarassing way
Oh wait, it seems he was (maybe) born in the region of Syrmia, which geographically isn't a part of the Balkans (but mostly is in Serbia).... still should've just said Bulgaria
I mean if I was a Roman and basically the only Queens at the time literally tried to starve our city I too would be incredibly distrusting of Queens, after all they did try to kill me. Twice.
i heard a story from kings and generals youtube channel about aurelian. Aurelian in a siege army said to the army " not even the dogs will be alive" . aurelian calm down after the city surrender and did not allow the plunder. The army reminded him of his quote. Aurelian than replied with an order:" kill all the dogs" would zoey be happy with that order?
Jeyoung Ryou he was referencing Dovahhatty when he talked about Aurelian reuniting the empire and he was planning on banning all the pagan gods and make Sol Invictus the only god of the Roman Empire
@@unclesam5230 So kind of like how Akhenaten tried for Aten in Egypt? That's an interesting suggestion, although I find it doubtful. Seeing how Aurelian had himself referred to as 'deus' in some coinage, I doubt he was trying to institute monotheism, although I do agree he promoted Sol Invictus at the cost of other gods/religions.
You know Aurelian is good when Dovahhaty makes him a giga chad without any irony or bias Conversely you know how bad C*mmodus is when he portrays Caligula and Elagabalus as Chad's but he's a corrupt virgin
This video gives Zenobia far more credit than she deserves. She was ambitious despite being utterly incompetent and was a coward who left her son in a besieged city while she selfishly attempted to flee to the Sassanid Empire.
I respectfully disagree. In what way was she incompetent? Even the (scant) Roman sources who would have every reason to hate and undermine her stated that she ruled as well as any emperor. "...for in the weakened state of the commonwealth things came to such a pass that, while Gallienus conducted himself in the most evil fashion, even women ruled most excellently," so the Historia Augusta says. While the Historia Augusta is of dubious reliability at best, the author would have had no reason to make up good things about a woman, much less a woman who dared to go up against Rome. As for "leaving her son in a besieged city," I haven't read anything that confirms that, but I'd like to see your sources. Who's to say that she didn't take her son with her, or that a coup within the city was threatening her life and that of her son, leaving her no choice but to flee. And you say she was ambitious? Of course she was! So were all the fifty million upstarts cropping up around the empire during the entire crisis. I don't think ambition in itself is bad. (I know how nasty RU-vid debates can get so please don't think I'm being nasty, just respectfully disagreeing here."
@@Isaiah.2003 Vaballathus may have been a puppet Emperor but he was still an Emperor. If he had been captured while trying to escape to the Sassanid Empire with Zenobia, it would have been mentioned. The Romans would have been more than glad to call the rebel monarch a coward. But instead it only states that Zenobia was caught in her attempted cowardly escape. Anyone with an ounce of logic can realize that she attempted to selfishly escape by herself, without her son. As for her incompetence, it is pretty obvious. Odenathus took Palmyra from a weak little kingdom to a regional superpower. He was able to do that because he was competent enough to understand the powers of his neighbors and he knew which side to choose. Rome may have been fragmented, with its politics and economy in a completely mess. But the Roman military power was not damaged much. The legions of Rome were still standing strong. Odenathus knew that fighting Rome, even in its weakened state would be a disaster. So instead he decided to help Rome. He protected Rome's eastern borders from the Sassanids and was rewarded generously for that. This is where Zenobia's stupidity and incompetence comes in. You say that there were fifty million ambitious upstarts cropping up all over the place? That is exactly my point. Zenobia was just another incompetent upstart. Had she been competent, she would not have foolishly antagonized Rome by cutting off its grain supply. By doing that, the only thing she achieved was helping Aurelian decide on his first target of annexation. Had she been smart, she would have pledged allegiance to Rome and helped Rome in its time of need like Odenathus did. That way Palmyra would have obtained a valuable ally. By the time Aurelian destroyed the barbarians threatening Rome, the change in the direction of the wind was already obvious. Until then, Rome lacked a competent Emperor. But with Aurelian taking the throne, it did not. Yet she was too stupid and ambitious to realize the situation she was in. She wanted to defeat Rome without even realizing the difference in power. That is her incompetence and that is what sets her apart from competent people like Odenathus and Aurelian.
Bet, Zenobia was a goddamn menace. There’s a ton of great ancient female rulers out there but she is not one. She was just a power hungry and manipulative person, nothing admirable about that. Aurelian wasn’t being a misogynist when he was taking her out, he was being a hero of Rome, and an avenger of Odenathus.
>invades Egypt >cuts off grain shortages to rome to starve the capital >declares herself openly as empress >Revolts against Rome Yeah Rome is quite mysogynistic don't you think?
imagine being an Italian dictator and feeling entitled to annex countries on three continents, and acting like that all way until USA puts you back into your place and Duce hanged upside down. Took 1500 years but was worth the biggest imperialists getting curb stomped and "Roman empire" basically reduced to a single backyard called Vatican.
Yeah, Zenobia pushing independence after her husband, Rex Regnum was mysteriously assassinated definitely wasn’t an additional motivator for Aurelian...
It was literally the 2nd point, "partially because Aurelian wanted to keep his empire whole". It was the most important of the 3 mentioned factors though.
Aurelian didn’t slaughter that army 7:55. It was way unlike him to waste soldiers. He had been dealing with manpower issues for his whole reign and he was uncommonly kind to those he defeated. It makes no sense that he’d spare barbarians but not other romans
He did slaughter that army genius. He didn’t want another rebellious army to deal with, I would recommend researching a bit before making asinine claims like that
@@bingingbinging8597most likely he killed all officers who did not beg his forgiveness. We get all the elements of the “battle” in the historical record from this. The mass killing, the defection of tetracus and the implementation of Gaullic empire officials.
@@polkka7797 no dude he destroyed the army because THEY WEE THE ONES THAT CHOSE THE OFFICERS OR OTHER EMPERORS! They would acclaim someone as emperor and by not destroying the army it would be obvious they would soon declare another emperor. They even fought on after their “emperor” defected meaning they were going to choose another emperor. This was what was happening to them in the 3rd century. Please don’t make definitive statements when you are dead wrong
@@Dogpilot_NordKS That is what generally happened at the end of a Roman Triumph-the prisoners in the triumph were ceremonially strangled in front of the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus. Sometimes this did not occur, as in Julius Caesar's triumph when Arsinoe was spared by the demand of the crowds, but it was standard procedure.
@@Dogpilot_NordKS Which bit? That she was executed, or that he took her alive so she could be executed? Since I honestly don't know her fate. What I do know is that best/perfect Roman triumph includes parading the defeated barbarian ruler who is then strangled by a priest right in front of the statue of Jupiter... Which is TOOOOTALY not human sacrifice, or so Romans claim.
Of the surviving histories about her life, one claims that she died on the way to Rome from an illness and most of the others that she was spared and lived in Italy afterward. Only John Malalas, writing centuries later, states that she was beheaded at the conclusion of the triumph. So while her fate is uncertain, most sources agree that she was spared from execution.
6:27 That reminds me a lot of Yang Wen-li from Legend of the Galactic Heroes. A false break to reform his lines and charge into the enemy is a favored tactic of his and the first thing we see him do in battle in the series.
Ben Ogurok while Trojans conquest lead to the greatest height of the Empires power over the World, it did cause major problems for the future of the Empire as they were too far stretched. Still a Chad though
My favorite story is Aurelian angry upon finding the gates of Tyana barred to him shouting "in this city, I will leave not even a dog alive"(his policy in Asia minor had been resist and be destroyed, let us pass and you will be left completely unmolested) according to the story he had a dream the night before breaching the walls where a philosopher he respected from Tyana told him to be merciful in victory and it would make him more successful( paraphrasing). When they breached the walls and he ordered the city spared, his soldiers upset about losing the rights to plundered and profit reminded him of his words. In what I believe may be the best comeback ever he said "well, then, kill all the dogs" and amazingly rather than killing him or the dogs his soldiers laughed and left the city in peace. That is an amazing charismatic leader, because you do not dangle booty in front of a legion and pull it away if you value breathing.
The roman cavalry and high military officers had masks/helmets which looked like the faces of a god or Alexander or Hercules, as did the seleucids before them
Would someone care to point out a prosperous preindustrial agricultural society that WASN'T latently "misogynisitic"? (I say latently, because there will always be an instance of a charismatic woman leading for a generation ... e.g. Elizabeth of England)
@@KasumiRINA Honestly, thats one of the most toxic parts of the history community, refusal to admit to one of the great plagues of mankind even as a background note. Sexism and racism may not always be the current topic, but these people love to put on the "oh how I'd love to live in ancient Rome/Greece/ETC" act, conveniently ignoring how women were doomed by barbaric men back then.
Oh, this is like 140 years before the time of Alaric, the goth who sacked Rome. Many centuries later Italian renaissance writers would sneer at Northern European art of the Low Middle Ages and called it "gothic" meaning "barbarian". A few centuries later than that, critics called the sturm und drang literary movement and horror novels like Ann Radcliffe's "The Mysteries of Udolpho" or Horace Walpole's (*) "The Castle of Otranto" "gothic" because there were a lot of spooky medieval ruins and spooky medieval superstitions and spooky medieval ghosties in those books. A couple of centuries after that, British music critics called a particular mopey strain of post-punk "gothic" meaning "spooky" and here we are. Or, alternately, see all of this animated here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-STOJftffOqs.html (*) The son of Robert Walpole. That one.
zenobia: **secedes from the empire** **invades roman territory** **cuts off the grain supply to the capital** IMPERATOR CAESAR LUCIUS DOMITIUS AURELIANUS AUGUSTUS: **strikes back** extra credits: "how misogynistic of you!"
No there wasn’t a “gate for queens”. She was totally fine until she invaded Roman territory- and Aurelian spared her- giving her a villa in Italy to retire in
Imagine thinking any territory bigger than Vatican can be called "Roman" legitimately. They were wrecked right, everyone in history then curb stomped Italy just because they could.
Throughout the last millennium,Rome endured many Dark Times. Each producing great men of their own... The fruits of their efforts were enjoyed by weak men,who's degeneracy brought back dark times... The Empire was now at the mercy of Evil and chaos,enemies within and abroad tearing it apart... And in these darkest of times...the greatest of all men arose to fulfill the legend of prophecy...
@@finlip_ But misogyny was way less important than the factors like food security and territorial integrity. Aurelian would've done the same against a male ruler as well.
@@hashimbokhamseen7877 It seems you misunderstood my statement. I was saying that food security and territorial integrity of Rome were a much greater priority, and Aurelian would've done the same even if there was a man instead of Zenobia.
Great video, like all the others, but I have a few things to notice: 1. I think you didn't have time to consider that he abandoned the province of Dacia in 271 or 275. 2. I'm not quite sure about this thing with Roman misogyny, Aurelian and Octavian didn't conquer eastern empires because of their woman leadership, Egypt was meaby the most important province in the Empire, the Emperor's own province. 3. Why nothing about the mask, meaby it was only a myth but how awesome is that!
Egypt was literally the bread basket of Rome. And while women definitely had less rights than men, I don't think that you could call these people as "women haters". Afterall, they do respected their mother and sisters right?
Any army in history: fakes a retreat The enemy: pursue them we have WON!! The army: comes back from a feigned retreat. The enemy: surprised pikachu face
8:00 Interesting that a society that hated foreign queens subjected the foreign queen and the foreign king to the same punishement: Clasp them in gold chains and parade them through the streets.
Something that i want to push back on is the score system that was used in the video. While it makes sense when we simplify history to count victories, when you reduce repressing an entire city to +1 for this guy you end up glorifying massacres. When i was younger i remember thinking the Rome before Julius Caesar Sucked and he came in and fixed everything, but I've learned how that dismisses an entire republic that forms the basis of many many modern democracies that we value today and Julius Caesar was the one that ended that level of democracy. I have evolved in my view of history because when you see it with all the nuisance, its a lot cooler if a bit (or a lot)more gruesome.