Thirisadai (DLC unique unit quicktake) 

If the turtle ship is the war elephant of the sea, this must be the battle elephant

What surprises me is,.. it's actually balanced? like, being a unique unit you'd expect it to be underperforming or overperforming, either it's better to stick to the normal units or it's better to spam the new unit, either way you are going to expect it to be buffed or nerfed in a future patch,.. but this one? it's actually pretty good as it is! To me, it's as good as if it was part of the base game's all civ units like the Galleon/Fireship, Champion/Halberdier, Arbalester/Skirmisher, Hussar/Paladin.

Also to remember with its weaknesses is that it's part of a civ with *everything* available at the docks, so even if you're facing one counter you can usually get something else to counter the counter, for a counter counter reach around

Fun fact: The Thirisidai is a completely made up ship class based on a badly sourced Wikipedia page.

best water unit because it looks cool like seriously look at that thing that's fucking cool 10/10

You can also use the size of the sails to hide anything from a smaller boat to a castle from view.

i'd argue the turtle ship is number one there. i love how you can kinda see the individual scales break off.

I just played with the Dravidians yesterday and Thirisadai seems like a versatile ship, capable of countering not just galleons, but other ships as well.

The last comment about population efficiency is an interesting one. It would be interesting to see how changing the numbers affects the result or how putting them in a choke affects the result. Would not be surprised if fires and demos become a lot less efficient against well-used Thirisadai.

The fact that you don't need to upgrade means you can play it like Condottiero. Fast imperial and straight to bombard enemies shore..

Thing is that in imperial, resources are not that big of a bottleneck. Because they are so population efficient, one player just can't muster enough firepower to defeat it.

The Thirisidai remimds me of the turtle ship. Just more straight forward in its stats and costs to be 2 galleons in 1 ship. While the turtle ship is rather unique.

Besides the UU ship their bonuses all are feudal - castle targeted, but you have to keep in mind that is the main phase why e.g. Italians are a good water civ, because that is the time when you need to establish water control and not let the opponent come back into the game, so I wouldn't underrate the bonuses for the Dravidians

I want Longships to transport foot units as well as attack!!! And for the Beserks to generate gold when attacking buildings. Lose arbs and make Vikings a proper infantry + naval civ!

After playing AOE2 for 15+ years, I just learned Dry Dock effects ship's movement speed not only +10 transport capacity. Wow

It bugs me beyond belief that with every further patch, the Portuguese, widely considered a "only-good-on-water" civ, gravitate further and further below the "not even top3/5/10" at this stage.

Apparently, the Thirisadai has both the Ship and Turtle Ship armor classes. It has +8 against anti-ship attacks, which why Caravels and Galleons do miserably against them. However, it has 0 Turtle Ship armor, which is why the +3 anti-turtle-ship attack Fire Ships do tear straight through them.

I'm surprised there are not more unique naval units to spice things up. But also curious because by the Imperial Age irl, the Portuguese for instance were completely curb stomping other navies out of the water half a world away.

Feels a bit like the Condottiero, in the perspective that you can reach Imperial Age and have some strong option to create and throw in the water as soon as possible, even if you ignored the dock upgrades for ships, doesn't it?

So basically, the Thirisadai is a Naval Battle Elephant as a way to have population efficiency while slowly pushing the water line forward.

CARAVEL KEKW Might as well delete that unit from the game already

The way it’s projectiles fire is really satisfying, especially when they are destroying galleons

This unit has some SHAKEY historical accuracy (a really well formed reddit post about it exists). But the unit from all accounts seems very balanced, and looks very usable.

I don't really like any of the ship destruction animations. They all look like the ships just collapse like they're not held together with anything.

But how microable are they? They are slower than galleons, does that mean that you can't kite fire or demos?

I think the death animation needs some work, the collapse of the boat itself is fine, but when it sinks it doesn't look like it's sinking it looks as if it's falling, just slowing down the animation right around the moment it starts to descend would probably be a smart move, but that's my opinion.

I don't like any of their death animations. Ships should SINK, not crumble! 😂 Literally looks like they lose all their nails and rivets at 0HP and fall apart.

Giving up water in castle age for a strong boom into early imp and then back to water with those bad boys (without needing to invest in upgrades) sounds scary.

Good looking ship, cool destruction animation. I'm glad they added another naval civ. Oh may I mention that a Reddit article pretends that the ship is not historical and that the said naval power is based on fraudulent sources... Greed from game devs might doom the historical side of the game for the sake of diversity.

Please make a video in which you don't make soldiers so you can only attack with villagers. Age of empires 2 definitive edition

Imagine writing an article on Wikipedia full of made up stuff and then over ten years later your made up stuff appears in AoE2.

tl;dr: a fat galleon that counters galleon, most important factor being that u spare pop space compared to galleons

Tripping over just how BIG they are since they're supposed to be _dingies._

The fact that the Portuguese dominated the Indian medieval sea makes this unit a bit senseless. They should at least fall easily when fighting against any canon unit.

2:33 I think I haven't seen that red bell icon next to the current age on the top bar before. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Forgot to test their performance against their true counter: Samurai with their anti-UU bonus

I've loved this quick take series! Good work SotL

Always split caravels and position at least one group perpendicular to the enemy line of battle. If you are not able nor willing to do this, you should probably stick with galleons.

its size compared to other warships is giving it an almost comedic look

Interesting. Superficially it looks OP but is actually quite balanced.

One nice point with this thing is how easy it is to mass. Not in number of units but strength of units. A dock can make them almost as fast as Galleons, without the need for upgrades, but they're >2x stronger. They are the elephants of the sea.

4:02 canon galleons are bad against thirisadai Spanish canon galleons be like: are u challenging us?

That thir is a dai i'd like to have on my team

Turtleship has the coolest destruction animation imo.

I Said that you forgot the best naval civ in the game for the Clash, the Byzantines

Id love to see a vid on the camel scout!

How good are they against camels?

Did not expect the long boat to win. Seems like the devs really understand the balance

This is a unit addition done right. It's strong enough to be interesting and useful but it doesn't overpower most of the old units.

Here's a video idea, why does age of empires 2 handle multiple projectiles in this way with one primary arrow and the rest doing 1 damage? I don't think I've seen this in any other game nor does it make logical sense. Unless it was specifically meant to work that way where the primary arrow represents a ballista and the other arrows represent archers on a multi weapon unit. But this is not the case because it isn't explained anywhere how these multi shots work outside of SotL videos and most players would assume that either every arrow in the volley does the listed damage or the listed damage is divided equally between all of the arrows. Never would I have assumed that this would have been the way it is.

I really like your videos, but on this one I'm kinda confused as to why you did not put more emphasis on not having an upgrade cost like all the elite ships have. Not only does it give you a quick resource boost compared to Longboats or Turtle ships, but you can also skip the Galleon upgrade. If you switch to the Thirisadai you always have that advantage over any other civ.

It’s a shame there are no trainers for the current versions of AoE 2, 3 and 4 Definitive Editions. I used them to get campaign Achievements. FLiNG trainers are good, but they haven’t updated them in months. Does anyone know a good trainer?

More like the ThiriSAD-Ai! Because Ai am very SAD with this unit... I'll see myself out.

Love that they're adding another ship.

What about vs Spanish cannon galleons?

5:34 Excuse me, what? List ships once and behind from attacking? Subtitles aren't very helpful either. I can imagine the content, but I'd like to know the actual wording.

Too bad most water battles are already decided by Castle Age. No such thing as a comeback mechanic in Imperial Age on water unless you're Portuguese and you can create a stalemate. Feitoria OP in ultra-long games. One thing that I think needs to be done is to make some kind of "Onager ship" that's available to most civilizations. This would basically be a ship that attacks like a Mangonel or Onager, dealing loads of splash damage at range to enemy War Galleys or Galleons. Of course, it'd have to be very slow, have minimum range, and have a high cost and long build time. Something like this would definitely help de-stagnate water battles, IMO.

had fun bullying the AI with them when the DLC dropped to get the king of the seas achievement..... which currently is still at just 0.01% of players owning it on steam I really wonder the exact number I sit among with it lol

I would have liked to see Spanish Elite Cannon Galleons separately since the extra attack speed and accuracy from ballistics changes them so much.

And what about spanish canon galeon and byzantin fire ship ?

Hey spirit, qq. Any chance you can look into paper money? The new tech? Do your amazing math skills and work out if the tech is effective or not? Cheers homie

Dravidians came to be the 3rd nation beside Spanish and Byzantines to have full water tech tree. All other nations miss either one tech or some elite ship. And, btw, everyone is speculating about Bengalis being next OP water civ since regen

No mention of how it will do vs mangonel, scorpion, castles/towers, and monks? siege and monks are the ai "defenses against ships when they don't have dock". I tried vs towers, weaker towers like the watch tower, it can't handle it, but guard tower or better keep is needed to defend against this new ship. Not to mention if the civilization has heated shot or not why is heated shot not mentioned in this video? I think the extra projectiles can do better damage vs siege units especially defending against rams on a bridge to your castle and handling mangonels and scorpions. The extra projectiles seem to miss against smaller units such as barracks soldiers but not sure how it will defend itself vs monks...

Honestly I love the fact that it just looks pretty cool. I always love naval unique units just because they look cool and refreshing

As for the destruction animations, I feel like equating ships to buildings kinda misses the mark, and it would have been better to show a more traditional "sinking" animation, where the ships either capsize, or go down at the bow like the Titanic, or something.

How about Spanish and Portugese cannon galleons? They have more accuracy and long range.

Why is it so big? Doesn't even look like just a big ship, its actually on a different unit scale. Wow that looks bad.

I'm not sure if the not balancing different resources and not including shipwright was sarcasm but I was very confused for a second there.

Am I the only one who thinks that extra projectiles only doing 1 damage is kinda BS?

I play Portuguese a lot won't these being more powerful the Portuguese unique ship, make the Portuguese kind of ereinvent on the water now?

The last mission againts sirvijaya shows the potential, but the are really weak vs firebots.

Sotl should remake the best cavalry,infantry,seige, and archer video series i thinks it’s due for a remake

indians: BIGGER! MORE WEAPONS! vikings: l o n g

is it me or does the sprite just look awkward? Like, the way the ship is drawn, it doesn't feel like it's supposed to be this massive, it almost feel like the aspect ratio is wrong.

My summary: its a stronger galeon that is easier to counter with fireships and demo ships (because it is slower).

Spirit, how does AOE2 pathfinding work?

Viking longboats replaces fire ships for that civ, so it makes sense that they win.

is there anything this does better than elite turtle ship, except no upgrade cost? turtles win easily one on one, are even more pop efficient,a little better vs fires, also shred through galeons…

Maybe the damn Turtle Ship wouldn't be so slow if it had a sail like it's supposed to.

Shouldve tested them against land units ! Looks like an unit able to harass offshore units.

The only channel where I always click the like button before I click play.

Destruction Animation : The only aspect of water units anyone cares about

its objectivly the turtle ship with the best sinking animation:)

While Spanish and britons don’t have anything special

Did he just start with an excuse to make a unit analysis? As if he would never

It would be cool to have a trash water unit

Woah woah woah, hold the phone. There's boats in this game?!?

Water needs to be remade entirely. It's to simple and unrealistic.

I wonder whether sth will ever pop up and take the turtle ship down from the number 1 ship hunter in the game

I wonder why they didn't add death animations to normal warships and fireships

i think u underestimate the +5 pop bonus for the early game

Water maps isnt my favorite either. Because I suck at them :(

so basically a stronger version of Longboat

also, it apparently never actually existed, or at least there's no evidence whatsoever for it existing. it was all based off of a section of a wikipedia article that was fabricated wholesale.

5:07 "bouncy" Caravel clearly wins

So a pop-space bonus hidden in the unit instead of a bonus basically.

Ngl , listen . You gotta just trust me on this. This ship. YES this ship, reminds me of that elven Ship from Warcraft 2. If you played warcraft 2, you know what I mean. Kinda looks like thaat xD I dunno , maybe my memory is fuzzy, but legit that kinda reminds me of it. This ship makes me feel nostalgic.

How does it do against spanish cannon galleons equal resources?

he was made to RULE THE WAVES ACROSS THE SEVEN SEEEAAAAAS!

Please bring back your opening song I miss it so much