This Card Changed The Pokémon TCG Forever 

Even then, they still accelerated the power creep of the game faster than it probably should have been, considering that while tag teams were still legal in standard they arguably remained more dominant because although Vmaxs had more HP, you needed to evolve up into them but didn't have to worry about this with tag teams. Because of this, in my eyes, it seems like the opposite of what you said was true in that Vmaxs needed to be as big and powerful as they are in order to keep the pace with what is arguably the most broken mechanic ever printed, and I think it says a lot about how strong they are given that they are becoming dominant in expanded as well, especially with ADP having access to double dragon energy to more easily use it's GX attack on the first turn of the game

VMAXs were designed to counter the Tag Team mechanic. Tag Team Pokemon, especially Mewtwo & Mew/ADP/PikaRom, dominated until they rotated, never truly being countered by VMAX with the exception of Rapid Strike Urshifu VMAX; Urshi dominated the format at the end of the tag team lifecycle, still taking some Ls to the big three.

@@matthewkuscienko4616 how long to type

For you to type

@@SLEDGEHAAMMER ye

The tag team cards should have just evolved from both the listed pokemon or something like that

@@mission4871 now you see, that would have been a good idea :) nah though that actually sounds really cool

You gotta remember people who actually play the game are only like a 3rd of people who buy pokemon products. Seeing 2 of your favorite pokemon on the same card was so cool

@@MidwestBoom That don't mean they had to make the cards overpowered??

@@MidwestBoom you gotta remember that the Pokémon TCG is first and foremost a trading card GAME, so having something so unbalanced just really sucked for a while

As a fellow tugioh plsyer I read it and was like this is essentially pokemons version of CED

As someone who hasn't played Pokemon TCG in about a decade, I'm really sad about ADP being such a power house. On the one hand, it's cool that the team-up card of the Sinnoh Legendaries is strong. But on the other, I wish it didn't tear up an entire metagame and become so hated... why couldn't it just be a silly and situational card 😢

What you're noticing is almost definitely the difference in balance standards. YuGiOh has been solidly borked for ~7 years now, to the point it's more luck-based puzzle than TCG. If your deck engine doesn't manage a turn 1 win, your opponent's more likely will. With Pokemon, the game is practically balanced on the tip of a ballpoint pen, which it regularly falls off of. State alters like ADP are usually the result of executive meddling, high relative cost-power ratio cards like Base 1 Charizard, Legendary Battle Lugia EX, Zacian V, and Lugia VStar aren't intentional, they usually get an explicit counter-card and/or counter combo and a more meta-fit replacement soon after. Engines like Leipard V Swap are typically spot banned in tournaments. But when it breaks, it takes until at least the next set release to be fixed again. Leipard V Swap is obscure, but it's a small-league ruiner that rips up anyone that doesn't already have a V that doesn't have 230HP+ to tank getting struck twice, while it charges up and then deal 190 in 1 turn without discharging so the Leipards don't cycle out and fully heal instead of being KO'd, something none of the Pokemon V at the time could do.

ADP was why I decided to quit until tag teams rotated. I did not enjoy that format at all

ADP is awesome so fun w lapras v max :)

Even the 1 prize form could do so lol (I loved baby Blacephalon)

Man 180 used to be massive.

Exactly. They haven’t learned and it’s deeply upsetting

I knew that they would make a totally broken vstar in the last SWSH set. Now I don't even know if what I hate more adp or lugia

@@papabroly8000 Hot take, They knew exactly what they were doing. All of the good cards in Lugia are rotating. Amazing Pokemon all from year 1 SwSh (Regulation mark D) The Aurora Energy D Block POWERFUL ENERGY is from Rebel Clash which is rotating with the other D cards. The other special energies that provide typed energy? D Block Capture Energy? D also Evolution Incense that lets you find Archeops easily? Also rotating! Quick Ball? Replaced with Nest Ball which doesn't trigger from hand effects as it gets pulled from the deck! Even the Rainbow-Ish Energy coming out in Triple Beat (Luminous Energy) is just a Multi-Energy reprint. (Provides one of any energy but only 1 at a time as long as there are no Special Energy attached.) Look it sucks that Lugia kinda trashed the last 5 months of the meta. But Lugia is going to be stuck being a 200-220 damage beat stick that discards stadiums, or slave to accelerating RS or SS energies to Rapid and Single strike Pokemon. Lugia is gonna be tier 2 at best in Scarlet in Violet.

@@bakh554321exactly!!

Arceus Vstar too. And it’s possible that Arceus will see more play after rotation.

We need more high risk high reward cards tbh.

they are also absolutely gorgeous, some of the best art of any cards ever printed

I remember loving my darkrai/cresselia card.

The new EX pokemon coming out are more risk reward because a lot of em are evolution cards now like older ones and V-Unions which take 4 cards do exist

There’s V-Union cards which kind of do this, but most of them are bad/gimmicks

Yeah, I took a break during the swsh first block cause the amount of tube fire and adp/zacian decks made the game unenjoyable. I didn't enjoy playing either archetype, and they were strong enough that they dominated both the expanded and standard formats on ptcgo and killed deck variation entirely for several months. Still one of the worst decisions tpci has ever made in regards to the tcg.

I prefer to one shot a 240hp 3 prizer than for my opponent to heal a 280hp 2 prize behemoth 2 times

@@laylajs thing is 3 prizers are not 240 anymore, but sure KOing mew vmax for 3 prizes feels neat

@@hikershay11395 I kind of wanted to also show power creep in the last 3-4 years

@@laylajs we just get further and further from playing single prize stage 2 pokemon

KOing mew vmax with my single prize luxray deck is the greatest... ironically enough the only thing i can keep up with is vmax decks, i cant knock out most vstars quick enough with it

I love the ADP haters tears ❤️

what about lugia vstar

@@SnoFitzroy lugia is fine.

​@@boxkid759 Lugia is horrible

@@derekjeter3654 nope.

Compared to Lugia Vstar... Arceus Vstar is balanced all it takes is one Professor's Research for Lugia Vstar to throw 2 Archeops on the bench and now Lugia Vstar can gain 6 energy in one turn.

The lists at the beginning of that meta were ADP food lol

@@CeliosNetwork yh it was insane - especially if you didnt have the money to burn on putting together an adp deck of your own

And we have a reprint of Roaring Moon ex in that set

Nowadays it is outclassed by Lugia VStar, control decks (doll stall and Plume/Bunnelby control), Regidrago VStar, slower than Palkia Vstar or Tsareena V, and Miraidon ex. 280HP for three prizes is simply too punishing in expanded meta for an effect easily removed by Pokemon Ranger.

@@coolyeh1017 I made it work pretty damn well online when TCGO was a thing. Sure there are probably stronger decks but it still went really hard

Pokémon Japan’s Twitter published it last year

You can use the cards from about the past 2-3 years in standard format. Roughly about 8-12 sets!

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@@CeliosNetwork guess what i was watching as u linked me that 💀💀

Much like the probable skepticism surrounding Pokémon Bank finally coming to Gen 9. Knowing that Game Freak/nintendo will probably not give us additional resources to represent our favorite region's mechanic. And will region Lock bank's ability to Mega evolve, terrastilize, Dynamax and Gigantimax, and use Z moves base on the game the pokemon got transferred from. If not deny the addition of new mechanics to gen 9 as a whole, no matter where those pokemon came from. I don't know if it exist in Pokemon TCG, but a format that locks a deck to one mechanic, or you can only hold one card out of the 3 could be healthy. If you Tag you deny your ability to double up on any other possible option.

Tag Teams, V, and VMAX essentially flipped the game on its head because 90% of the powerful cards being released were 3 prizers so most games ended in 2 KO’s for about 2 or so years.

@@CeliosNetwork But a game ending quickly isn't necessarily a bad thing, is it?

A game which ends quickly means each player makes less decisions, resulting in games being decided much more by luck than skill. Pokémon has always been a game with skill and decision making at the forefront, while I never played yugioh since it always looked like faster games with a lot of luck and combo chaining involved.

@@CeliosNetwork But the speed of the game doesn't really matter. It's a matter of how many meaningful decisions can be made within that timeframe. Now pokemon seems to have a focus on damage and battling and health and such, which are inherently tied to the turn counter. That may be why decisions = turns is a thing in pokemon. But in yugioh the game has gradually moved away from the game mechanics and into the card text. When the game reaches a point where sheer attack numbers matter, it is often referred to as a "simplified game state". Most of the actual gameplay occurs outside of combat, during the main phase where one player is trying to do his combo while the other is stopping him at various points, with the interruption that he set up going first. And also most modern decks are incredibly consistent and rarely play generic show-stopper cards, which you either draw or don't. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jSFR3NZU1rQ.html I believe the final best of three of this tournament (from 2:20:00) with the commentary shows how modern yugioh functions pretty well. The first game is only about thirteen minutes long, if you feel like you want to see what I'm talking about. Also if you do watch it, please tell me what you think.

@@CeliosNetwork lotta combo chaining, yeah, but luck-reliant decks are lucky if they can reach rogue status. while your opening hand will always cause the typical tcg variance no matter the deck, a deck won't find a comfortable spot in the meta if it doesn't have the consistency tools to pull off one of its openers with any realistic opening hand - and that's _with_ factoring in that your opponent is prob holding a staple anti-consistency tool in their hand, primed to be pitched the moment they drew it. so barring formats where a deck has a floor consistent enough to be dominant but a ceiling defined by major high-roll swings, modern ygo is actually so low on the luck-dependence scale that it's not uncommon to hear complaints about the _lack_ of variance in meta play ... mostly from people who only play casually, but still the monkey's paw is that all that variance is instead redirected to whether or not the next format will be defined by decks with rich and skill-testing combo trees ... or by linear power engines that you can slap in any shell to make a technically diverse array of decks that play exactly the same lmao

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