This How To Train Your Dragon Music Does Something NEW

Подписаться 5 тыс.

Просмотров 2,5 тыс.

50% 1

This cue from How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World does something new for the series. Can you hear it?
John Powell's score for How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World now has a deluxe album available physically and for digital streaming. 4m16a Into The Hole is available to study on its own along with the rest of the score.
Tim Rodier from Omni Music Publishing provided me with an annotated scan of the cue to show what makes it work in such a clever way.
Chapters:
0:00 - With Love Comes A Great Waterfall/Into The Hole
0:47 - Percussion
1:18 - The Brass
1:58 - The Strings/The Fate Motif
4:08 - Low Brass
4:33 - The Hidden World Theme (Latin lyrics)
#howtotrainyourdragon #hiddenworld #johnpowell
Sources:
How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World Full Orchestral Score - Omni Music Publishing:
omnimusicpublishing.com/produ...
4m16a Into The Hole: • Into The Hole (4m16a)
Andrew Merideth Collboration: • Why Everyone Disagrees...

Видеоклипы

Опубликовано:

13 июл 2024

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 66

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Thanks again to Tim Rodier from Omni Music Publishing for his analysis and notes on the cue that inspired this whole video! Did you notice the use of the Fate Motif that makes cue so unique? I didn't until after the scorebook released and I sat down to really study it. But subconsciously I could never follow along with the brass/percussion and the strings at the same time. It was there all along without knowing why until now!

@jjstarA113 2 месяца назад

Your videos feel like I'm back in school with a really fun music teacher.

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

You can thank Tim Rodier for the technicalities, basically everything this video is built around! It's well above my level. He's even the one to point out the Fate Motif's appearance in Mysterious Creature.

@NewOrca 2 месяца назад

Amazing as always! I love hearing the analysis of these scores, makes me love the films more. I especially love the translated lyric of 'safe without ignorance' 😊

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Thanks! I’m only assuming that translates correctly, it seems right.

@NewOrca 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore well if it is or isn't it's still a good line lol

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@NewOrca It is, yeah. Anything else interesting stand out to you in this video?

@AndrewMerideth 2 месяца назад

The most odd thing I see and was confused about in the score is that the horns are in alto clef! WHAT!? note to all composers/arrangers, DO NOT put horns in anything other than treble or bass!

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Yeah, I almost made a comment in my last video about how the french horns mostly work the same (as opposed to trumpet four, the subject of the video), apart from the fact they suddenly play in alto clef for half the score. Very odd. Especially when trumpet four plays the same thing but in treble.

@AndrewMerideth 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore It's a good question to ask, but idk WHO to ask. I unfortunately don't have any connections with the horns on the score to see if they actually got alto clef parts or what. My only guess is to prevent a ton of clef changes for the score, but that feels like a weak argument

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@AndrewMerideth It could still be the answer.

@nintendude794 2 месяца назад

Weird

@SpudIllusionPictures 2 месяца назад

Missed your videos, man! Great work as always. I really should listen to The Hidden World more. The depth of your analyses always surprises me. You’re by far the definitive voice on HTTYD music on this site.

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Glad to see you again! This is probably the most technical one yet, much to my own dismay. This was way too much detail to handle, and the cue is only a minute long.

@xRandom.editsx 2 месяца назад

Aarghh i love that we now got the deluxe edition and the scorebook for the third movie

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Absolutely, it's great! The better to study it with! What cues are you most interested in?

@xRandom.editsx 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore i dont actually really know much about music as in how Its constructed but man i love listening to it! Especially all the httyd scores, they are all so good in every possible way!! I like listening to ppl talking about it tho :)

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@xRandom.editsx I don’t know that much either, that’s why Tim is here! This whole video was inspired from a short email chain with him.

@Ryan.82-u8c 2 месяца назад

I would love to see an analysis video on the cue simply titled "The Hidden World". Especially with those ethereal voices provided by Jonsi during the start!

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@ryanhartley211 That’s definitely a possibility. I have some notes about it. The first portion is really strange though, I struggle to follow along on the page.

@SnadMusic 2 месяца назад

The level of technical skill, story writing, and mastery present in this movie trilogy--even beyond the soundtrack in this context--is mind bending, and I can only hope to reach that level some day. Oh yeah, by the way, SUPER underrated video. How the hell has this not broken a 6 digit view count?

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

John Powell really has a mastery of musical storytelling. He knows what he's doing, even when it's unconventional. If it makes you feel better this video is performing very well. It currently has 1.1k views, which is the same amount my last one has gotten in the month it's been out.

@SnadMusic 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore Yeah, he's phenomenal. He's my personal inspiration as an aspiring producer. As for this video's performance, I'm elated to hear it's doing well relative to your other videos, but I still feel like it's vastly underrated. It matches the quality of most other videos at 6 figure view counts, and you deserve far better. I wish you luck! :D

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@SnadMusic What are some of your favorite Powell scores and cues? What do you find inspiring? I appreciate your encouragement! I know each video needs to be high quality. And I think it will all build. It should come. By the way, how long have you been watching my channel? Which of my other videos have you seen?

@SnadMusic 2 месяца назад

I'm a novice with limited understanding of music theory, so I'll probably sound like a complete noob, but "Forbidden Friendship" is jaw dropping to me. The way it subtly plays with Toothless' motif, introducing its elements into the melody in subtle ways as its prevalence ramps up--signifying the developing relationship between Hiccup and Toothless--is mind-bendingly awesome. At your video quality, popularity is a question on WHEN, not IF. I know you shouldn't really listen to a guy with less than 100 subs, but I do encourage that you've got massive, massive potential. I'm a bit ashamed to admit this, but this is actually my first video of yours. I promise you this, though, that I have Subscribes, and I do plan on watching more. :)

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@@SnadMusic Thanks very much for the encouragement, I’m glad you found the channel. I think you should watch this video next. It’s very much about the development of the those main themes. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hBWhQxznEQA.htmlsi=efyyEGSXH1S8CAw7

@TheUnholyEmbodimentOfInsanity 2 месяца назад

It’s so nice to finally hear someone talk about the Fate Motif! It’s oddly one of my favourite motifs out of the trilogies and its significance for some reason kind of baffled me because it didn’t always play in the most dramatic parts of the film so it’s really nice to get a different perception of the theme and its meaning. Thank you!

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

It’s in the score more than I thought! And I could see it needed some attention. I actually didn’t pick up on it for a long time beyond its brief use in “Exodus!” (not the Bob Marley one). Tim Rodier is the one who pointed out its use in “Mysterious Creature.”

@TheUnholyEmbodimentOfInsanity 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMoreReally? I’ve actually heard it many times in the score but I will admit, it’s hard to catch it the first few times. I really loved its usage in the first part of “As Long As He’s Safe (Ultimate Sacrifice)”. Even then I discovered it even plays in the middle of “The Hidden World” segment and after “The Viking Wedding”. Powell does a great job with using motifs. There’s so much to discover!

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Good job catching all of those, it really is all over the score. Powell says he overwrites. Each HTTYD score has six new themes and several new motifs, but each has a story role and a reason to be there.

@jfbsp1893 2 месяца назад

Great work man, love the video.

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Glad to hear it! What did you like most?

@mooyah5839 2 месяца назад

I LOVE this song from the soundtrack. I get chills every time!! Genuinely amazing

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

What blew you away so much about it?

@mooyah5839 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore I just love how it starts off as slow and mysterious before slowly building up with the brass/strings and exploding with the singers/brass. It just perfectly captures the scene of Astrid and Hiccup discovering something completely otherworldly and mythical

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

The gradual build and reveal really help. It’s effective.

@coleharbak 2 месяца назад

Awesome video man. Very informative, told me some things I didn’t know. Cheers!

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Thanks for checking it out, glad to see you here! What stood out to you the most?

@coleharbak 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore I hadn’t consciously noticed the brass layering with that technique, now that I know, it’s very clearly there but it was cool to kinda hear that isolated. I also love the Latin translation. Well done on the video in general :)

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

It was the same for me. I couldn’t make out what I was hearing until I looked at it. And the lyrics are nice to have too (assuming they’re roughly accurate).

@christophermusique 2 месяца назад

Great work and it's always incredible when you analyse powell's music and how complexe it is

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Thank you! There's so much to share! What stood out to you in this one?

@christophermusique 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore so many things, but especially the strings being in a différent rhythm as it is something i did once when trying to compose a disturbing music and it was funny to hear it in more details

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@@christophermusique It definitely works in a different way. Most people probably wouldn’t think to do it.

@Carissa.I 2 месяца назад

Love your analysis here! I always thought Powell's work for The Hidden World was underrated and as soon as I saw that the deluxe album was released I got super excited lol

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

Can you believe we finally have all three? And yes, Powell's Hidden World score is definitely underappreciated. That's part of why I'm here.

@melona1001 2 месяца назад

Very interesting video, thank you 👏

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

What did you find the most interesting?

@melona1001 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore As a Horn Player myself probably the function of the Brass Section as another consistent rhythmic structure 📯

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@melona1001 Oh, interesting! As a horn player what do you think of the horns being written in alto clef for half the score?

@melona1001 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore I really wonder what the reason was to write the horns in that clef... Because personally I can't read it that well to play a whole piece in alto clef 🙈

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@@melona1001 The first two scores don’t do that either, it’s just this one.

@MasterSongStudiosReal 2 месяца назад

I never knew that is twas called the fate motif, but it has been confusing me since I first heard it in 2019. Thanks for helping us to understand it a bit.

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

It's always confused me a bit too, I didn't even notice the extent to which it appears in the score for a long time.

@envrie9423 2 месяца назад

John Powell, one of the greatest musical writers of our time

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

I had no idea he did anything quite like this.

@Carissa.I 2 месяца назад

As someone who took latin in highschool I think it's awesome that the choir layered in the soundtrack actually translates to give the score deeper meaning. Don't know why but it adds so much more depth to it all...

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

How fresh is your Latin? Because I have no idea how accurate any of those lyrics are.

@Carissa.I 2 месяца назад

@@FilmScoreandMore Not too fresh to be completely honest, but based on my knowledge those translations sound pretty spot on. Latin is so context based like other languages but the root words I recognized felt very accurately translated.

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

@Carissa.I Really? That’s good to know, thanks!

@foxhoundslug 26 дней назад

hey friend, I know this vid is old but you should link to the collab video you did with Andrew Meredith! makes it easier to find for simple folk like me XD

@FilmScoreandMore 26 дней назад

Hey, it's only a couple months old and that video that pops up on the top right of the screen when Andrew shows up is his video. Did it not show up on your device? But you're right that I should have added it to the description too. I've added it now. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dh9NGivIfvo.html Thanks for watching all the way through!

@christianxiong3947 2 месяца назад

Sectioning off each instrument group for demonstration purposes is quite OP in my opinion. 🫡

@FilmScoreandMore 2 месяца назад

John Powell certainly knows how to write for each group, solo or combined. And I have a bad habit of naively writing videos that will give me a ton of work. I'm looking forward to making a video that uses little or no sheet music on the screen!