This Is A £4,400 Electric Car! - What's The Battery Like & What State Is It In? 

Nope, kW/h is a fantasyunit, you mean kWh.

@@ingo_8628Just a tad pedantic...

150 miles on the motorway at 70mph in the cold that is amazing.,

Junk

@@ingo_8628If people don't make the effort to understand the units, they will get confused about the batteries and probably get ripped off buying a car.

If I remember from a previous video, he use to do that.

I suspect a car with a range of only 50 miles (50 miles out and 50 miles back) will not be enough to satisfy most young people. It will also rerquire your home has at least two recharging points: one for the family car and one for your son's car. (And may be a third recharging point if your spouse also has an EV, either their own or one their workplace provides them for their job.)

@@Stephen-gi1rx You may be correct for some people, but then other cars not much more can provide better range. If I were to get a cheap similar EV, it would be available if needed, as the local town is around 12 miles away. So this would open up many optionsto help out and would give 2 or 3 journeys before needing to charge. The other thing is that my E-Niro charger when i am down below 80 miles or before a longer trip the next day and then on my retrun home. This often means I need the charger for the 2 nights but then it is unsused for a week. I travel about 10,000 miles a year and see no difficulty to charge 2 or even 3 EV's from a single charger. A second EV, would also enable me to leave it plugged in during the day to recieve free miles from my solar as in the summer months I can be regularly exporting around 200kWh to the grid each month.

​@@Jaw0lf "other cars not much more can provide better range." I assume we are talking second-hand EVs here. Buying any kind of second-hand car, be it an ICE one or an EV, is a case of buyer beware. In the case of an EV, how do you know for certain WHAT the range will be until you try it out for long enough to find out? Simply taking the dealer's word for it is probably not enough. With an ICE car you can probably rely on the manufacturer's details for things like range. You cannot do that with an EV given that for them much depends on the battery health, which in turn will depend on how the original owner treated it, amongst other factors. Someone you trust is going to have to test the battery health of that car before you hand over your money else you could wind up buying a lemon. Jaw0lf: "the local town is around 12 miles away. So this would open up many optionsto help out and would give 2 or 3 journeys before needing to charge. " 2 to 3 journeys between recharges is not that great. if you used the car every day that would mean recharging at least twice, and maybe three times, a week. Moreover, it all depends on HOW you recharge. The recommendation for EVs is that you should ONLY recharge to 80% capacity. Charging to 100% has the potential to impact on the battery's longevity, especially if you do it repeatedly. Meaning if the RATED range for the EV is 100 miles (50 miles out and 50 back), then if you can only recharge to 80% that means you are only going to get 80 miles (40 out and 40 back) from that EV. Worse, you probably also don't want to drain ithe battery to 0% (or close to it) before you recharge. You may want to recharge at (say) 10%. That, however, will give you a range of only 70 miles (35 out and 35 back). If therefore you are travelling 24 miles per day every day (12 out and 12 back), or at least every week day, that probably means that you are going to have to recharge every single day, or at least every single week day (unless you have some place in town to recharge). Jaw0lf: "...my E-Niro charger..." I take it you have a Kia. Jaw0lf: "I...see no difficulty to charge 2 or even 3 EV's from a single charger." You must have a huge garage to have room (and lots of long cables) to recharge THREE EVs from a single charger. But it also means you must be splitting the ampage between all three. Wouldn't that affect the speed of the recharge for all three? (The alternative, having the same ampage for all three as when you are just recharging one would seem to require triple the ampage when you do do all three, which in turn would seem to have the potential to blow fuses, trip circuit breakers, and possibly even start fires.) Jaw0lf: "I can be regularly exporting around 200kWh to the grid each month." If you siphon of some of that power to recharge one or more EVs that will inevitably impact on the number of kWh per month you export to the grid. There is no free lunch with electrical power. Whatever ampage you yourself use is less ampage you will have available for export to the grid.

@@Stephen-gi1rx yes I was talking about a cheap EV as shown. Using that car would be very much as a second car. My Kia E-Niro gives me on a full charge 220 miles when below 9c and generally 260 in summer. I generally charge to 80% and only to 100% for longer trips where car is used that day. I am happy on trips to go low on the battery when returning home and have arrived with around 5% at times. No worries as I knew I had a charge available. In general as said I charge after 80 mile range left on the car so it can cope with anything that crops up where it is needed. Hence the EV charger can be used every days a week by another EV. Instead of exporting spare solar energy I can use my Zappi charger to divert into a spare EV that would be fine and give some free motoring. I tend to charge my E-Niro at cheap night rate paying 7.5p per kWh so often do not need to top up when the sun is producing excess solar energy. Also as my E-Niro is used most days it is not always available to plug in! Also exporting less energy to the grid is far better as I do not get paid much for the exported energy. If you have more than one EV charger the DNO would have to authorise it and confirm that your home and supply can meet the full draw from all devices, such as Batteries, ASHP and home use such as an electric cooker. So you would be able to charge 2 cars at the same time with no problems. As previously stated I do not feel this would be necessary as you could do this from one charger.

I hope to get the Scenic E-Tech this year, how you charge the btys is the secret ie the parameters percentages. Don't charge above 80-90%.

This has the camera.

@@ElectricVehicleMan interesting - thanks. Have always found the Renault trim levels confusing. FWIW having driven a 22kwh Zoe around for 4 years, covering 50k miles, if I was in your shoes, I'd find a way to keep it. Install a charger at your in-laws if you have to. Just keep the warranty going. It was the right decision to PX ours for a ZS EV but I do miss the Zoe and hope we'll own another some day.

@richmaniow :as you point out the 100 mile range is perfectly usable for day to day use" Actually, FYI the range of only 50 miles: 50 miles out and 50 miles back. If you DO go more than 50 miles from your house then chances are you will have to recharge the car BEFORE you get it back home.

That makes absolutely zero sense because second hand ICE cars are holding their value absurdly well - due to the constrained supply chain. As a consequence the second hand EV market is filled with bargains that aren’t going to depreciate at anywhere near the same rate after their initial falls in this volatile market. When manufacturers get back to pre-COVID throughput it’s the ICE buyers who are going to get an nasty surprise. And trust me, that will happen.

@@noggintube yep, battery technology either has to come down in price or needs to be sold in a different way, the battery lease system could have been the solution if it wasn't so expensive, if batteries can be made to last up to 20, maybe even 30 years, the battery lease price could be based on that lifetime value and be considerably cheaper than the Zoe scheme.

@@cyberyoyo7674 Many EV get written off when battery fails because the battery is a massive part of the car cost. I have never seen a ICE car written off because the fuel tank leaked, or the engine had a problem.

@@noggintube Agree, with net zero governments have hollowed out the electricity supply by relying on the very unreliable wind and solar, while at the same time using the law to try to make people buy electric cars that nobody wants. This is a perfect storm of government stupidity - compounded by ridiculous ULEZ areas which will destroy the economy of any town or city that think they are a good idea. A diesel van can get up to 700 miles on a tank, a similar EV van may get 100 to 200 mile range - a real no-brainer.

Nice and easy - got one last year to keep an eye on temperatures on long journeys as well - help get faster charging

Never charge it to 100% is the rule. 80-90% is best.

You beat me to it!

Yep!

@@doggylover1958bit cheeky getting in-laws to pay for charging😊

@@northeastcarpfishing A nice bottle of wine should cover it.

​@@doggylover1958Lend the in laws the car and offer to cover the cost of the charger, give it six months, sell the mini, ask for your car back. Charger fitted, goodwill established, profit on mini made.

Yup, I got a used Jaguar I-Pace with extended warranty for £30k, it's like new! ❤

You dont think a car depreciating over 50% in a year is something to worry about? It means there is no demand.

Wow what a bargain - 55% depreciation over just one year! Its so great people have so much money to throw away to make EVs more affordable for the second hand market. This is a fantastic business model. Hope it carries on.

Lack of demand is no concern if the car will fit your use case.

They deserve the bad press poor charging and when they have an accident usually a write off. Biggest issue is when they catch fire they burn for days destroying everything near them houses included.

How much did you pay originally? What kind if percentage depreciation is that for it to be worth £4k now?

Why are you on your third, after 9 years? That's very wasteful and damaging for the planet.

@@hunchanchoc8418 because they were on 3 year deals and the cars then get used by others. The second one was actually 2nd hand as well !

Some of the best cars I've had have cost buttons. I had a 2005 Peugeot Partner which was fully working and relatively low mileage for the year for only £120. I ran it on Kerosene so it was dirt cheap to run. Someone ran into it parked outside my house and I got £1200 from my insurance for it! I also had a 1998 pre-facelift top spec Saxo which looked showroom fresh for £180 and I could get to Wales and back from the Midlands for about £10 worth of fuel.

@@sbomorse Great - and I thought my cars were cheap! Those Partners keep on going. I have to smile when people think I've no interest in cars - whereas probably like you, nothing could be further from the truth. But I've definitely no interest in buying a new car to show off with whilst losing a fortune! Happy Motoring.

@@robertp.wainman4094 I've got a Kona Electric but also a 2005 MINI Cooper. I love the juxtaposition of the electric drivetrain compared to the manual MINI. The Kona is like slipping into a hot bath whereas the MINI is like taking a cold shower 😁 I love driving and I can find joy in even the oldest, most basic motors. I have a bucket list of unexceptional cars I want to own in my life time. I've owned over 70 cars since passing my test 19 years ago. I think proper car enthusiasts are like you and I. Finding joy in every car no matter what.

@@sbomorse Well said!

After ten years an average ICE produces 65 tons of CO2. Over the same time span, an EV will produce 14 tons of CO2. Most of that 14 tons is used to make the car - same for the ICE car. There is a simple reason why, soon, you won’t have the choice.

Just shows how crap they are if depreciation is that bad.

That’s pretty much what I think the car would be worth. He’s got a surprisingly good deal there.

@@PrinceVeganinsometimes a seller is in a pickle and would take any offer in hand. eg their insurance may be expiring and they don’t want to renew another year, or they have another car due to be delivered and just can’t store a second car. On the flip side some sellers are in no way pressured to sell cheap. They can hold out for weeks or months!

What a bargain! How much were they originally? What kind of percentage depreciation is that over a relatively short period?

Zoe prices are depressed at the moment because many ex lease have come on the market. What you paid was actually very reasonable.

@@ouethojlkjn was it the case that zoe40’s were fetching well over 10k last year? now i’m thinking 7k?

That estate is a really hard to give up. It's so bloody useful. I miss my estate.

Most weekends

@@terrybarrett2368 what's the trip that you do every other weekend? How many miles and from where to where?

@@thathairyguy Does it really matter? The car, and EVs in general, have a place....as the vid explains....city motoring, where regenerative braking helps you out. As anything long range, especially with a full compliment of passengers, maybe with luggage ie Camping, airport, trip to see relatives....they are completely and utterly useless. I love the EV man...."Only had to stop to charge.....FOUR times!"....that in itself says where a Zoe is ie Short range commuting. As long distance, especially carrying any weight at all, especially in the UK climate, as a working vehicle....EVs are a dead loss.

@@enrobsorussell Typical fearful dinosaur response. I suppose they can't be charged when it's raining either? The battery will need replacing after 5 years, etc etc 😂 You're taking the context of this video (an old, aged 90 mile range Zoe) and trying to claim this makes all EVs useless for anything other than short journeys. You are demonstrably incorrect.

@@thathairyguy If anybody is `incorrect`, it`s you. Never said anything about charging in the rain, or battery replacement in 5 years.....one comment and you go off on one with heaps of estrogen bursting into `life`....do you read a lot of Mills & Boon? The EV guy explained, or I thought he did, that the car in question hadn`t lost much of it`s range, which would ring true with only 30 odd k in mileage....and yet....he had to charge FOUR times in one journey. Also, the guy said as much about EVs ie Commuting mainly. I never said, "Useless for anything other than short journeys!"....that again, is another estrogen attack on your part (Put the Mills & Boons down, stop reading tacky magazines and quit watching crimewatch). Take a slug of industrial strength Evening of Primrose Oil and calm down...then read what I said.

This is my problem too. I have a need for a small point to point car and this would fit the bill perfectly, but once you include the additional insurance policy and electricity costs you're better off using the dirty diesel for all journeys even given on a school run/shopping trip, one of these would be better. The example of a cheap Clio still makes sense for most people sadly.

I couldn't relate more! so cheap right, got my GT Line in May for £14k with 9000 miles, top condition hardly used since it DEC 2020 plate

Congrats on your purchase. A warning though. On my 2,5 year mark on my 2020 ZE 50 I had to replace front right ball joint. 6 months later now at the 3 year mark I am again in the dealer's and I have to replace BOTH front left and right ball joints. It's absolutely insane, suspension made of biscuits.

@@Groaznic appreciate it dude. yeh I actually noticed this straight away, Ive already put savings aside as I just know it's gonna go on both side like u! So disappointed coz otherwise absolutely loving it. Appreciate the heads up and it's nice to know it's not just my Zoe

@@SustainableGal For me at least even this 2nd visit is included in the warranty, hope it's the same for all of us. On EVSpeak forum I noticed quite a couple more complaints on the same topic. Cheers man!

@@Groaznic oohh okay I'll have to try get it under warranty also, yes I have been looking at forums too etc, cheers dude 🤟

You can if you can find one. You're right in that a 40 kWh battery will slot straight in and work. The 50kWh can be done but requires modification. However with most of the batteries being leased, when the car is written off, the battery is removed and sent to Renault.

Is this the "ordinary" "average" experience when looking and finding a 5k EV? Or, is this that amazing, lucky find that only certain "You Tubers" stumble across? 🙄

Which age Zoë did you do this on, I’d love to do that on my dads 2016 for him.

What did you buy after the Zoe?

@@TheKerhenry I leased a Nissan Leaf 40kwh for 3 years. When it went back I bought a used Jaguar I-Pace. Wonderful cars.

That's a bit of a myth, the battery looks after itself. There are loads of taxis that have only been rapid charged with 100k+ on them.

I doubt it. Most EVs will have a similar battery condition. It's only those that have been rapid charged every time that will have battery issues. Most will be AC charged most of the time, with rapids used on long journeys.

I sold my Zoe 50 after finding out the NCAP rating is Zero, after they didnt include some airbags, they said they did.

@@richardwalmsley7579 Well that's concerning and correct thanks for highlighting - no curtain airbags and no lane departure or Emergency Brake Assist. - "The poor result was attributed to the absence of a head-protection airbag, as well as the fact that lane-departure warning and autonomous emergency braking (AEB) weren't offered across the ZOE range. Renault rectified this in January 2022 by making both safety technologies available as standard across the range - although a head-protection airbag is still not offered as of 2023."

Its such a great business model. Some comments suggesting these cars losing 50% of their value in just one year. This seems great news for the second hand market - just need a steady flow of useful idiots to keep funding that huge depreciation hit. Progress. The world is healing.

Just a pity there's nothing exciting or interesting to buy at £5k ev wise, I'd get a much nicer ice car that would excite and interest me for that price

EVM already has 2 ICE cars in addition to his Tesla!!

EV owners - make sure to tick the "cremation" box on your will.

Great idea

​​​@@xraylifeso stats from ntsa insurance section shows evs are 1000x less likely to have a fire per car than a hybrid, and 500x less likely than a full petrol car, real data is a bummer. Conducted by AutoinsuranceEZ, the US-based study utilised data pulled from America’s National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.

@@xraylife so you don't believe the ntsa, they are the us safety body, they issue all recalls in USA so I guess you igore Safety recalls. Omg.

Huh ..!? The car value is that it's a CAR!! It's economical personal transport!! Compare this to, say, taking the kids to school on the bus..! ..going to the supermarket for the weekly shop - on the bus..!! Going to work - on the bus .!!! You really should stop and think about just how huge a benefit having transport is...compared to NOT having transport... .. AND it's a EV!!

@@andymccabe6712 yeah but he already has one or more cars. I understood this car was bought for fun without a real need for it. Financially the battery (as a spare part) is as much worth as he paid for the whole car. See what I meant?

Exactly. The market has moved from a year old EV commanding it's new price ( or even higher ) to returning to much more normal depreciation. Just a short while back, the EV nay sayers were all preaching " EV's are way too expensive, and nobody can afford to buy them" to " EV's depreciate massively, so you shouldn't buy one". Which way do they want it?

@@Brian-om2hh You're supposed to be able to buy any car for less than £1000 and sell it three years later for £1001...and do the daily commute from Land's End to John O'Groats, both ways, non stop, towing a caravan in under 20 hours and still have half a tank left to do it again etc. You know the RU-vid comments rules Brian! ;)

Some comments in this very thread suggesting deprecition of year old cars of c.50% Such an innovative, progressive business model and fantastic news for the second hand market. Just need to keep up that steady flow of useful bourgeoisie idiots who will keep funding that depreciation hit and selling on at a huge loss. 👌

Really ,my son'ss Tesla 3 lost £37k in 20 months ,that's a hard reality check !!!

@@paulnewman9275 has he sold it?

No one with more than half a brain cell would want a ev

Real facts here folks. 😆🙄

The level of confidence you have in your made up stats

What a bell end

Mate, that's Landrover in the 1990's. They even advertised with that slogan, without the 10% part obviously, that was added by Landrover mechanics. You know, problems with petrol pumps, carbs, no spark, everything leaking everywhere, wires and fuse boxes going up in smoke, the lot. You're confusing traditional British ICE and EV standards.

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So this car can do 25k miles every year without ever stopping to refuel. A diesel with 600 miles range would need to find a refueling station and do the following 42 times per year. Locate refuelling station, queue up, park, refuel (2 mins I hear) and then pay before driving off. No thanks, it sounds like too much faff.

Completely missed the point he made in the video. The Zoe is a town car or 2nd car. Not suited to someone that does 300+ mile trips.

So .the same as buying any used car then.... ...be patient - choose wisely....!!

Most people don't *buy* anyway, they use personal leasing or a PCP agreement. Both methods steer round the issue of depreciation for the user of the car.....

@@Brian-om2hh. The PCP is calculated on the depreciation of the car. Years ago I bought a new golf rather than a fiesta or Clio because the PCP was almost the same on a much more expensive car.

@@Brian-om2hh the pcp rates may double as BEVs are not reaching their resale values. The only vehicles you can get 0% finance on are BEVs there is a waiting list for nearly every ICE car available. I know that many dealers will not px a BEV against any ICE vehicle so if you’ve bought one you can either sell it for buttons or get another one. Handing them back in at the end of your PCP may be more difficult than you think as car dealers are examining the battery usage, rapid charger usage, car modes used , minimum charge levels , etc etc. there is small print in the contract that all works to give some users a bigger bill than expected. Anyway the bigger problem is the cost of shipping BEVs is about to increase and make worldwide transportation impossible. 2 container fires will have the insurance and shipping companies worried and the risk will be to great. Or the price to ship BEVs will be to expensive and make them less viable.

The reason there are VERY cheap used EVs, is that they are pretty much unsaleable now.