This is like setting a bar literally on the floor for someone to jump over and they just forget the bar is even there and trips, lands on their face, and dies.
Leaving your GOTY without content during the pandemic were everyone was playing games to then cancel what was supposedly developed during this time period gotta be one of the dumbest decisions in gaming history
That's not really what happened. OW1 was dead regardless because it didn't have viable monetization since loot boxes were rewarded faster than skins were added to the game meaning no one actively playing ever had to buy a box. The changes and overhaul to PvP under the guise of a OW2 title was really nothing more than a way for Blizzard to justify restructuring the monetization. As for the PvE itself anyone who knows the history of OW shouldn't be surprised. For one Destiny does everything that was promised but better and its not exactly the most lucrative franchise. OW is basically a recycled project from an already failed MMO Titan. OW1 PvE was basically a gimmick with little to no replay value. So the idea that a non-loot based FPS RPG was magically going to have amazing content and replay value was nothing but Jeff Chaplin's pipe dream failing for the 3rd time.
Imagine being a developer working and polishing all those PVE systems just to be told it was a waste of time. Absolutely heartbreaking for players and devs
@@FenexDragonis They did lol. I've talked to an old friend who worked at Blizzard for the last 6 years, matches up with everything that the other dev(s) leaked online of the execs scrapping A LOT of shit because "The ROI isn't worth the investment when we're clearly making a lot of revenue with the new 'Battle-pass' system." Such a joke of a company.
It's like watching an ex just continuing to fumble their life after you broke up. You can't enjoy it cause there were good times, you can't help cause they'll drag you down with them, and you can't feel bad cause you saw it happening. So all you can do is watch and reminisce about the good times and then move on.
@@AveryHyena I beg to differ, make a good PvE mode with the live services and you'll sell more battle passes and skins. There's a balance and they indeed thought it wasnt worth it.
Because campaigns cost money, why do that when you can make a shitty game with microtransactions instead and earn the same or more? It has really ruined the gaming experience.
@@YoNando first of all he said campaigns not pve modes. Second of all you can't name a single fps game as an example. Third of all you can't name a single game as an example that also focuses on pvp
"Do we deliver what we promised even though it doesn't meet our expectations or do we just give players a giant middle finger?" - The classic big company dilemma
The higher-ups probably just realized the development time is not worth spending money on anymore, when the 20$ per pop skins in the shop are much more valuable to make.
"doesnt meet our expectations" is meaningless corpo speak meant to try and cover the fact that they're canceling something because it's expensive. the expectations in this case are, won't make a quick half billion dollars at launch
For everyone that hopped on the game for the promise of PVE, they basically dangled a carrot on a stick over them, hoping they'd eat up the microtransactions and overpriced skins, and only when they've milked them dry of patience and money, they get off and throw them off a cliff.
More like "Do we deliver what we promised like we cared about anyone? Or do we get even more money for the 7th vacation house in Monaco at the expense of our customers and employees?" dilemma that big companies execs seem to have oh so frequently these days when people are worried about silly things like "having rights" and "being happy" instead of worrying about the real problems like "filling our pockets (and only our pockets) with money"
So it's really less expensive for them to scrap an idea that has been in development for around 5 years? Damn Blizzard really has no idea what they're doing nowadays
The question of whether it’s really been in “development” for five years, or if people behind the scenes were just screwing around should be raised here. I mean seeing the trailers/presentations for overwatch 2 it seems they were blowing money on stupid stuff nobody really cares about like new gunshot noises or PR hype with animatics that were better than the games could ever be
This is the second time they've done this. They rushed a a 2.0 version out to justify a change in monetization for HOTS, it didn't work, and a few years later the game went into maintenance mode. If they decided to stop developing the PvE for OW, they likely already decided to let the game die slowsly in the next 5 or so years.
Yeah the only company with a long list of the best games is bad… Diablo StarCraft and Warcraft… what company is more successful and provided you with better?
@@KevinSorbo. Yeah and they've managed to fuck up with two of these...and the reason Starcraft isn't terrible, is because they've stopped touching it and there's no SC3...yet.
@@shhhota in what world is there a company with a better line up of games… as I typed the first time… I didn’t seem to type that they were the best games… but even if I did I would stand by that because these are 3 of the best games ever made
Yeah sadly the times where any publisher annoucing something was exciting are long gone, thankfully enough great games still gets released over the year and I'm not even talking about indie scene which is better than ever.
Blame the soulless execs at the top of the chain who only care about chasing infinite profits, the health of the game or the people working on it be damned.
One of the things that makes this so bad is that for the last four years their excuse as to why there was no content was that they were working so hard on the PVE and if we just wait we will see where all the time went. Now it turns out they actually just weren't working on anything, they stopped adding any updates to their GOTY for three years just because of nothing. As a long time OW player it is just incredibly depressing.
They definitely WERE working on it The problem like you said was that PVP suffered, and the massive sunk cost that is the OWL was threatening to implode and sue blizzard for mismanagement. So they caved and released OW2 PVP on a desperate hope it would bring revenue to the league and get the franchises who had spent tens of millions of dollars for a spot off their back. But it didn't work, and releasing the 3+ years of development on PVE is any state is the exact smoking gun franchise owners and VCs are looking for to claim damages when the entire OWL collapes inevitably
@Cameron Ken yeah we should feel sympathy for the giant company that decided to change lootboxes for something even worst and their excuse was, "well, it was your fault guys, you like pvp too much so we want to focus on that first", episodic story bits is what fucking mobile games do
@@XgoodbyeX That is outright incorrect dude, RNG loot boxes are one of the worst aspects you can add to a video game, taking hundreds, if not thousands of pounds for someone to obtain what they wanted from them, and in some cases i.e Battlefront 2 launch, being an integral part of the game and making it pay to win. At least with a battle pass you can see exactly what you’re getting with no gambling aspect.
The saddest part about all of this is Aaron Keller even admitted in an interview that they made this decision late last year, which is exactly when OW2 released. So they made the decision before/just after OW2 dropped and decided to keep it on the hush for 7+ months to then announce it on a stream that was barely promoted. GG's, beginning of the end for OW.
@@mitchellsalazar6276 ya fr i was watching OWL for the first time this year (the pro am and stuff) but now i’m just dropping it because what’s the point if they hadn’t gotten into esports i feel like this never would’ve happened
Such a solid job explaining the situation. The only thing missed is at 6:00. When OW2 was announced, they stop releasing content for 1 while they worked on developing the sequel. Combine with the pandemic which set things back and OW1 went years without balance patches which hurt the game a ton.
You say that but that was a problem only for the people who only played ow1 after most people stopped after the first 2 years since it got boring and bigger games were getting released
@@XgoodbyeX Not exactly. It's a problem with the company if nobody is playing your game while working on a new one. If OW1 completely died, OW2 could've flopped harder.
Feels like a furniture store putting up a "CLOSING SOON - MASSIVE LIQUIDATION SALE" sign, then tearing it down the next week and resuming business as usual.
Man this brings back a memory to me. A furniture store I lived near in Washington would do this. Once a year, they would do a big closing sale. And then just rebrand and keep selling furniture.
honestly it’s really sad there was a vision for the game and everyone who actually was passionate about it left one by one and then they were left with someone else’s project that they didn’t know how to execute
Like myself 😢 havent played in since ramattra came out, he was… not fun, I don’t know if they fixed it now but how did that shit where you fight the other ramattra 1v1 for potentially minutes on end get through testing? To me it felt like they stopped trying as hard on game balance.
He already knew this was going to happen for years, why do you think he left? If Jeff stayed, everyone would be absolutely tearing him a new one right now, but instead you’re sympathizing with him-so it worked.
@@user.Icarus The guy wasn't hurting for money. It's obvious that once he lost total creative control he jumped ship. Only thing keeping him there was his passion for making things he personally enjoyed.
This is a classic example of when the one person who is carrying the group project and doing all the work leaves and everyone else just flunks out of class.
I don't think this is the case. Developers can not do "just nothing" when working. Jeff was a lead developer too, so he wouldn't pick if someone didn't do anything. I feel like you are still a young person?
@@irissupercoolsy jeff was the vicepresident of blizzard and the lead director of overwatch (which basically means the whole development of overwatch was directed by him)
i do kinda feel for the devs because it sucks to be essentially punished and overworked due to your bosses overpromising and forcing you to rush out an unfinished game way ahead of schedule
It's not really overpromissing tho? OW2 barely have any changes on the dev side, most of the changes are model and graphic, which a company like Blizzard can finish in maybe a few months. They have shit tons of money and staffs to get it done, and based on the demos they've been showing, they got most of it working. Like I'm still pretty sure the game still fail top down starting with poor executive decision (probably worsen by the breastmilk controversy), but overpromising don't seem to be a key failure here
Not to mention that this "big hype" rush in 2019 was immediately followed by the Hong Kong backlash, the entire COVID pandemic, sexual harassment lawsuits, etc. It was probably the worst timed moment in video game history to announce a sequel.
This just makes it worse. "Wow, a project you've been working on for extremely long times and passion put into it? Canceled." This is such a lose-lose situation
It’s crazy to think after years and years of development all that’s changed in this “sequel” is the equivalent of an update
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Clearly, the whole premise of a sequel was a complete lie from the start. They never intended to actually make another game, they just had to make an annoucement to hype people. So they announced a fake game. This is comproved by the fact that OW1 was no longer playable after OW2 released. Because it's the same game, reskinned. Just an update.
From what I heard, they changed to a completely new engine and art style, causing them to have to basically rebuild the game from the ground-up. So yeah, we did basically get nothing, they spent all their funds and time on switching engines rather than making content.
@@palea1335The engine was upgraded but was not entirely new, Overwatch 2 reused the OW1 assets, the download for it was les GB if you had 1 still installed
Well they turned it into F2P Microtransaction model. Which is clearly what they wanted from the start. Just to get more money. I have to say OW1 lootboxes were not that bad compared to what it is now. Not to mention that new characters were unlocked the moment they were released... not locked behind a bloody battlepass.
What was the point of the engine rework. My understanding is that the engine was reworked to support pve but if that not happening then what was the point
I'm an amateur/aspiring Game developer and it's really disheartening to see companies treat fans like this. As well as the fact that they went to tell a team of people who had been working hard on something that the company knew people would like and tell them "yeah about that, that work you did is useless we aren't going to release it"
It helps if you don't sell franchise spots for your game for tens of millions And then announce its pivoting to focus on PVE as the league you made is failing leaving you liable (or at least legally exposed) for the losses of the franchise participants forcing you to literally cancel major parts of your own game to cover your ass
same, it's almost comedic how years ago, some of us dreamed of working for blizzard, riot, EA etc and day by day these franchises destroy their image so badly you don't even want to work for them anymore, let alone for an entry or internship position
@@XgoodbyeX Fortnite is actually a well developed product though. Even Unreal manages to listen to fans. "Hey we hate the building mechanic it's really dumb with a steep learning curve and limited pay-off for your average player" and they released a mode with no building, which drew in so many players. Was the best season they ever did, statistically. It's so easy to to well as a company, which is why there is zero sympathy when Triple A fucks it up.
Man, it’s unfortunate what’s happening to the video game industry lately. It seems like these companies somehow don’t understand how long it takes to make a functional video game, and get hasty because of it. Eventually it leads to the situation we have here, a bunch of false promises, angry fans, and developers having to shoulder the blame even though it’s really not their fault.
@@overdev1993 It's really funny how we are in a position where we basically have to choose either a: companies who put on a nice face to try to appeal to audience but then fail to make a game, or B: Everyone hates Nintendo's method of treating it's player base, but god damn do they know how to make games (Pokemon Company not included)
Everywhere I look I hear that the software industry is moving at a fast pace, a window opens to capture a market once that window closes it's gone or it's hard to break into. It's not that they don't know how long it will take to make a good, 97% finished game it's that they believe if they do it you'll no longer be excited to play it. Someone would have made a prototype of the announced idea, ideas can't be copyright, the prototype by this group, let's call them A will be buggy, you'll give feedback and A will fix problems over a long period of time such that once B release theirs it will be termed "old". Also investors don't want to wait long for an ROI.
I work in the game industry and that's how it is. The development cycle isn't dictated by developers and HR is working against workers. It's an unfortunate situation because there are some great triple A games with monumental talent squandered by a hostile working environment.
They SACRIFICED everything and then its cancelled?! What was that OW1 content drought supposed to be?! No, youre not back overwatch, you better go to the grave
@@3takoyakisExactly. That’s the worst part. All of this time and effort they put into it, just to throw it all away instead of trying to get something out.
Blizzard needs a new set of higher ups, they are clearly too money greedy and don’t envision the game the same way Jeff does. Jeff saw a world of emotion and commentary on many things, the higher ups saw it as a cooperate cash grab.
@@P.H691 That is unfortunately how a lot of these games are going especially in the last 5-6 years, beautiful ideas, beautiful art, great gameplay, people are making truly good things in the gaming industry that are over and over again being bogged down and even killed by corporate giants, it is ludicrous. I have not been impressed by a single AAA title in years upon years. They are progressively getting worse and worse, rushed out earlier with poor optimization, a lack of content, ridiculous cash grabs, more and more DLCs that become damn near required for the full experience, hell even the base prices of new video games are on the rise, from 40-50 dollars, up to a common 60, now reaching up to 70 and 80 for some base games.
@@upsidedownpyramid7617 It sorta explains why there's a raise of indie developers making beautiful games (which a ton of stinkers as they don't put enough attention in them). Indie developers aren't held back by circumstances like cooperations or money, they have a vision and they take as much time as needed to create something. I think a head of nintendo explained it best. A late game is a good game, but a rushed game will forever be a rushed game (I think I butchered it, but it's online somewhere)
There's a rumor going on that the latest april fool's gamemode was made mostly by repurposing hero abilities from pve. If that's true, it's truly heartbreaking to realize that you've been working hard on a project for the past 3 years only to end up as a literal joke because there's no other chance to make people at least experience it once
Allegedly they actually stopped working on PvE over 2 years ago and they already knew they'd never release PvE when they launched OW2. It's been abandoned for years, they were just lying to people to try and inflate player numbers.
I have been playing this game since I was an actual kid and I cannot express how this made me feel. It's not even that they're canceling PvE it's the irreversible damage they did to this game. And how they don't really try to keep up or better themselves in the industry I think they just expect to always keep their loyal fanbase no matter how badly they hurt the game, which is ok coming from an indie game dev company, however it is completely not okay for a giant like them. I'm still trying to keep my hopes up since the bar is already touching the ground. I'd absolutely hate for this game to die completely. They have built such a wonderful world full of characters with incredible stories, (there are at least a dozen characters they created in 2016, that haven't even been implemented into the game yet but they know how they'd fit them into the story) and cinematography. Building all of that into an actual game with playable missions, and a progressing story would've probably been seen as one of the GOAT games. Unluckily we'll never know if it could've become one of the GOATs.
same man. i was 12 when i started playing and now i'm about to turn 19 and being someone who pretty much has played this game every day since i was a kid, seeing it crumble into dust is so saddening
Genuinely depressing, i've been so excited for the story mode on overwatch for almost 4 years now so to see its just straight up not happening is just incredibly upsetting
I gave up on Overwatch years ago when they just quit updating the game. They justified no more big updates because they were working on the story mode. Now they cancelled the story mode. Blizzard had the hero shooter genre in the palm of their hand and just wiped their ass with it.
overwatch 2: changes almost nothing, glorified patch dota 2 patch 7.33: changes absolutely everything, expands the map by 40%, introduces like 10 new objectives, completely changes the game very shortly before a huge esports event, doesnt even call the patch 8.00
as someone who has played overwatch for five years and watched this whole saga unfold, the announcement literally crushed me. i was just talking to my friend last week how happy i’d be when they dropped the PVE, whenever that was, and now it’s just gone. what the hell were they doing for three whole years, where they basically stopped developing things for OW1?
They were working on PVE for years, it's ridiculous to think they were lying They just can't admit how much work they did because they neglected the PVP and their hundred million dollar franchise league collapsed and every VC involved is jumping at the bit to sue blizzard for tanking the esport
@@cjkmelee This. It's entirely because blizzard is having to pay out millions to cover losses they incurred to people who own franchises who are blaming blizzard for moving the focus away from PvP. It's like if McDonalds said they were pivoting away from selling burgers and would instead be turning into a milkshake based business model. People might be excited for that, but the people who franchise McDonalds would be really mad about the fact their investment is being destroyed overnight.
Watching the microtranscations print money. The whole industry is a pay-to-win simulator. That’s it. That’s all gaming is. Don’t game if you’re poor, it’s not going to be a fun experience.
@@cjkmelee oh they were 100% developing things, i don’t doubt they were working on it. but if we’re to take their words at face value, they kept trying to make something work that didn’t. it just seems like such a waste.
The biggest takeaway from the GameSpot follow up interview was that internally they scrapped all PvE plans in order to launch the live service PvP but continued to market the PvE as their selling point despite pulling all resources from it.
They knew around release time already that they were scrapping it, yet were promising it to welcome new players to buy their battle passes meanwhile they wait. It’s so scummy and gross.
That's what I hate the most I was purely interested in the game still cause I had friends who would come back for pve. Without that it's just a dead game for a shit load of people including me now.
How do the voice actors feel? They must have spent years working, and I know a lot of them are fans of the games story! How heart wrenching is it that they wont see the effort theyve done.
They got their paychecks. Most contract workers don't give a shit about the people that contracted them, as long as the checks are on time. That's every industry in the world.
@@Michael-bn1oi meeehhhhhhhh, I'm a creator myself and if I was told I spent the last few years animating a bunch of different characters and drawing thousands of pictures and doing voice impressions all for nothing... then I'd be really really really sad. Yes it's an industry and yes they got paid for it... but for creative people like voice actors, I have a feeling the money only helps so much when the work you did was so personal
The fact that these gaming companies can keep lying, delivering half-baked over-priced messes, and implementing disgusting monetisation practices with impunity to consumers is beyond me. Watching people still pay for Blizzard games is like watching a friend in an abusive relationship just refuse to accept reality.
@@hazedays3584the issue with that is, as terrible of a company Riot is, Riot delivers. As bad as their practices are, their marketing team and content go so fucking insane at making League and Valorant look good. Blizzard just REFUSES to sink any money into any project for long-term goals. They saw they could literally do whatever to WoW for a decade and still rake in money and stagnated. No desire for a good advertisement, no want for a good competitive scene, no support for content creators, an actual 90’s company playing pretend in today’s market.
@@VVheeli i just got too dissappointed with every big game company recent years except stuff like elden ring, im only looking forward to the announcements of smaller ones, the difference between companies trying to squeeze out as much money as possible out of as little content as possible compared to indie companies which just give you a full product with a final price and no in game purchases is mind blowing to me now
100% the fault of players and will keep on happening. I am SO glad gamers are getting a hard slap in the face for, again, allowing these stupid companies to fool them. HAHAHA. More half-baked games! More fake promises! More monetisation! Milk the stupid piggy that will keep on giving you money!
i cant wait for blizzard to drop something interesting in order to hide the negative feedback towards this, like they always do without fail edit: yesterday they announced they’re making a pride collection. lmao
This is genuinely the saddest thing I’ve heard in a while. I’ve played Overwatch since I was literally 13 years old- I’m 18 now and though I’ve phased in and out of playing obsessively and not touching it for more than a year, it’s always had a special place in my heart as the first competitive game I played. I picked up OW2 with the promise of PvE and was genuinely hyped for the evolution of the game after the shit years its had. Come back Jeff, Blizzard is even more ass without you 😭
Yeah, it's sad. Blizzard really needs to clean house. They had too many slackers and degenerates that were toxic and ruining everything. Now, their one good guy who was carrying everything left it's all just going to fall apart. Truly sad. The characters that Kaplan made were so loveable, and the gameplay was so much faster, smoother, and more hype than other games. The skill tree would have been a fun addition. I miss having the skill tree in World of Warcraft. I was looking forward to flexing my min/max skills again.
At this point I truly believe the only reason they updated the game to Overwatch 2 was to slap a battle pass on the game and shift from free earnable cosmetics to aggressive monetization. Definitely one of the video game sequels of all time.
yeah and it really sucks. overwatch isn’t like fortnite and similar games - it shouldn’t have a battle pass. it just doesn’t work. everyone did just fine with the loot boxes. blizzard is so money hungry that they limit heroes to the premium battle pass, which is exactly why i will never get the premium. people aren’t going to buy if they limit everything because we recognise how ridiculous it is.
@jajas king because they didn't make a big stink about it. Epic just quietly shuffled those features in and they got away it, because it wasn't a huge announcement or a stand out moment in the news.
I've been playing overwatch since 2016 (The year it released). I have not been excited for anything more than I have for the pve mode. The chance to play story missions like the ones they have released in the past would've been awesome. When Overwatch 2 was released I was quick to realize nothing really changed. Blizzard has disappointed the community time and time again and Hearing the news on how they are no longer gonna have a pve option makes me want to completely stop playing the game and is a terrible thing to hear.
They are still making PvE missions. If anything, they're going to be closer to the previous Archives missions than the original plan. What the developers have said is that they are cancelling features like the skill trees they promised that would have brought more replayability and differentiated these missions from Archives, and instead of releasing the PvE missions as one narrative all at once they're going to release missions across different Seasons. They're still making canon, narrative-based PvE missions, just not with all the features that they promised and probably over a very drawn out period of time so people lose interest waiting for the next crumb of lore.
@@e.d.5766 and thats kind of what i was thinking. I loved the events but like you said they were a once a year thing that only gave us crumbs. I was looking forward to a full story of overwatch and talon.
something that really pissed me off is that instead of leaving overwatch 1 up for people who still wanted to play 6v6 or for people who's setups could not run overwatch 2 (which is weird, why is something that is essentially the same game so much harder on my pc), they just completely took it down. i literally had to fully reteach myself how to play just because i was forced to console.
@@AngelFX21 Because everyone is copying twitter these days. Despite what people say about elon, twitter is probably making more money than ever. I guarantee you discord will also come out with checkmarks or some sort of nitro feature tied to usernames so they can make even more money.
@@wokaroni discord is making their usernames more like Twitter with the display usernames and usernames different, they are taking out the #1234 stuff yk
As a player of Overwatch 1, to me it just looks like they killed a game I loved, stuffed its corpse with greedy microtransactions and a shitty battlepass, and are now going back on the thing they claimed everything was sacrificed for, the PVE.
You know, I didn't even mind the battlepass. We complained about not having stuff to do in ow1, so the quests were a nice little addition, and the value was okay for the money spent. But 20$ for a normal legendary skin in the shop? what the fuck was that.. pure greed. This is how it died, and it's just sad, man..
@@Goldy01 $10 is lot for someone from a country whose currency has a murderous exchange rate against the USD but I get what you mean. $20 was absolute insantiy. It was cheaper to get a certain item IRL than it was in-game. Also, Blizzard decided to be uniquely shitty about their battlepass. Unlike other battlepasses, Blizzard's battlepass didn't give the OW Coins back after you completed it. So while you only had to buy the other battlepasses once, for Overwatch 2 you had to buy it every single time.
It's not just to You My friend that exactly what they did. fuck blizzard. quit all their games. they care that we play so not playing is the Best way to give them the finger back.
Just decided to read your "Fact Check Sheet" and man is it thorough. Unrealistic expectation but I wish more people did this. It's so great to see people who can be like "damn I got that wrong I'm sorry guys, this is actually what it was about." It's not a big deal, people make mistakes and I love how casual it is. Just a "let me know and I'll fix it" with no ego.
Ludwig’s explanation about why he doesn’t want to get into OW is the exact reason I don’t get into MOBA’s in general. I’ve had a terrible case of gamer rage and so I steered clear from those kind of games for my sanity’s sake.
As someone who played TF2 ever since the MVM update all the way into 2022 when I decided to ultimately give up the game, this is arguably more heartbreaking than watching my favorite game descend into bots and ignorance from Valve. Yeah, it sucks what's happening with TF2, but at least we have that small, SMALL .1% sliver of hope that we can still get updates and content that we were promised. Overwatch fans just had that snuffed out for them completely. And I feel for that.
The bots are a lot less worse than they were before tbf. Say what you will about valve but they are doing things in the back end of servers to make them more stable. Bots trying to join and just getting instantly vac banned is a pretty common occurrence. Valve just doesn't mention anything so hackers and bot hosters don't get a leg up
It defo is kinda sad regarding Tf2 but it can say it had 10 years of great content it's just unfortunate in it's twilight years it was abandoned. Like an old man in the retirement home who ended up developing dementia it's sad but we can cherish what came before. Overwatch just felt like it made every wrong decision possible and this is what it has been reduced to. The game feels like it's lost it's identity and it feels like a cashgrab. It's like a college superstar with a great future get into drugs and gambling and waste their life away and now you see them working at the supermarket. Probebly a wierd analogy but that's the best way to describe the feeling of it.
It’s incredibly impressive how Lud can stitch together all these threads, videos, articles, tweets, and never let the audience feel like they don’t know what’s going on or need more info. Just an amazing display of skill in presentation, speech, etc.
It's definitely the journalism experience. I'm a jour major myself and you have to do basically what lud does in his videos to help fit together your articles. He stands apart in his impressive ability to vocally communicate it rather than just in writing, which I feel like many journalists struggle with. I might be a good writer, but everything I say outloud sounds like word vomit.
@Cherri Berri I've read a ton in my time studying it. The trick is the general public is usually either reading breaking news (which we are taught to keep as short and concise as possible, avoiding too much context) or literal trash (like buzzfeed, which is entertainment not journalism). The good stuff is more long-form journalism or non-breaking news contextual articles, which isn't pushed to be on the front page or in algorithms. I was shocked at how good some of the more contextual pieces were while studying them, which is way closer to what lud does. The problem is journalism doesn't pull enough readership for the contextual pieces, and readers stop reading if the "breaking news" isn't within the first 2 paragraphs, so articles are written to be short and quick rather than fully interesting and contextual. Mr. Mail here gets away with it because he has a following already. If you're curious about what all news journalists learn to base their writing off of, Google the inverted pyramid writing structure.
Hearing Jeff's voice made me emotional. I met every single one of my closest internet friends in Overwatch, and Jeff was a big part of the community when I played. It was fun; annoying at times, yes, but fun! Pretty much everyone who played the game and was active in the community knew Jeff. Hearing his voice again made me think of older, better times for me. Too much has happened since then, and it hurts.
Once Jeff Kaplan left, I knew this game was over. He genuinely loved and cared for the game the same way he loved his team, he was one of the few genuine good people at blizzard, hence why he left.
Jeff Kaplan was very passionate about overwatch. When it was announced he left blizzard, I got so sad because that’s when things started to go down hill
You know its bad when theres a Mogul Mail on it. As a (now ex) Overwatch player this is really funny. Almost 4 years for them to say "uhh... yeah we got nothing sorry. Buy our $20 skins though!"
That's why blizzard is flailing so hard If they have to pay out hundreds of millions in the aftermath of the OWL it could be a critical blow to the company It's why they wanted to sell to Microsoft so bad They basically minted an NFT (OWL team spots) and drove the price to zero after promising it wouldn't. And large wealthy powerful VCs are fucking mad
Blizzard? Bankrupt? After all the profits from their disgusting marketing strategies? After preying upon diehard fans and people with gambling problems? I don't know about that. I do hope for it too, though. They need to go bankrupt and Kotick needs to go to prison, but it won't happen without a miracle.
I get that designing fps games and creating unique and fun experiences for players isn’t easy, even for an organization with a larger reputation and size, and I get this. However, the thing that really upsets me is the high expectations they set for us, and the announcements being announced before even being near to finishing. This is why i think a project failing like pve makes the players feel even worse.
To be fair in this case I don't think it's difficult when the players themselves are telling you what they want the game to be. It's hard to hit the mark as to what would people enjoy but when they are literally telling you in the most descriptive ways then you can't really use that excuse. Sure sometimes shit doesn't work and you have to refactor for balance, competitive aspects, barrier to entry, etc... But those are things that you work on over time through feedback.
@@charlesm.2604 No, thats only for PVP. We just expect PVE wont suck since all PVE events in OW1 are sucks and kinda pessimistic. But they give a promising trailer which led us believe theyve changed
As a game dev, I have absolutely no idea what these fuckers we’re doing for half a decade. The whole “ohhh game development is so hard” is bullshit. It’s not THAT hard. It’s mildly difficult, but I could’ve whipped up this pve shit in a year with a dozen buddies and some blue moon. Blizz devs had to be doing absolutely FUCKALL for them to not even have a base product ready
I love how they made it sound like it takes this huge effort for them to develop a couple champions annually and maybe one map. What have they been doing this whole time?
They've just been falling to balance their game since October. The fact that this is the product they are saying they are investing everything into is shameful.
I love how people who have no clue about how game development works always try to say stuff as if they know how game development works. Especially when clearly not having read up on anything and just basing on this one video. This is not the dev team's fault, this is on Blizzard's higher management who refused to hire more staff to match with the scope of PvE and instead forced the team into making it work with what they had. The devs did say what they were doing, about 90% of the team was working on PvE content for the past 3 years. They worked hard on improving their engine so that it would be possible to make better PvE content. They didn't make more new heroes because they were working on the talent trees, as these were supposed to really change the heroes ability. Game development isn't something you can just scope out once and be roll on with, apart from games that just repeat the same things, doing something different like this will for sure have developing costs and unpredictable When the team realised they couldn't possible support PvP and PvE as live service, they asked to make a second team that would only do PvE. They didn't get that. I'm incredibly disappointed by these news, but jesus can yall spend 1 week without pretending you know stuff you clearly don't. Stop putting the blame on devs and pretend game dev is easy, if you want to make these kinds of comments, educate yourself about it.
You mentioned TF2 And the fact that that FIFTEEN YEAR OLD game still stands tall and holds up to this very day (while seldom getting noticed by the dev team) is OUTSTANDING. And it's double sad because we know Blizzard CAN keep something alive and running for long because World of Warcraft still exists, so the fate HotS and now OW2 are having is just here to prove that the reality is they simply don't care enough because it doesn't make them enough money, that's it.
You forgot to mention TF2 has a highly replayable PvE mode where you fight waves of robots and upgrade the abilities of your class.... mmmhhh.... sounds familiar.
I'm a little late but I think the thing that hurts SO MUCH is that Blizzard moved almost the entire development team off of OW1 and onto OW2 in order to get it out faster. We went years without updates, but it was all supposed to be for the greater good as the sequel was going to be this amazing fleshed out world. And now.... this. I'm numb.
I'm a 42 year old woman, who hasn't really played games... I always watch these Ludwig videos. He's so good at making things that are irrelevant to my life interesting.
@@rRRRRR33349 they’re not scam links, those are legit youtube links… I mean maybe the videos they’re linking to are scams, but I’ll never know because I just ignore them
Hah! You’ll never know how this comment got so many likes Hell I don’t even know I just put the title of the video as a comment and for some reason people liked it
it is its a middle finger to the fans like me and is a massive blow to the companies integrity as a whole we waited for this story mode and they failed to deliver AGAIN!
According to the games lead Aaron Keller, they stopped most of the PvE work almost 2 years ago so they could rush out the PvP launch. Then before OW2 launched they decided they were scrapping the PvE. They launched the game, told everyone that it was for the best and that PvE would come later, when they had already decided we weren't getting it.
one of the major issues that OW has right now is how they implement updates. there used to be a PTR (public test region) were they would let players try out new patches they were seriously considering implementing into live as well as new heroes. it allowed them to make necessary tweaks to the changes before everything was sent out. the primary issue i have as someone who plays competitively in tournaments and on a team is that it doesn't feel like the devs actually want to listen to the genuine concerns we have. and when they do it takes too long for them to make changes. i love the game still and i really hope they go back and improve the model they used to use.
I'm in the same boat. I coach and play overwatch competitively and it doesn't even feel like they test their patches before they get released. Don't get me wrong I love rush/ brawl comps but I love traditional brawl/ rush which is about pathing not whether or not I can farm my ult as junkerqueen faster then the other tank.
Thanks for covering this news. It's gut wrenching for all us Overwatch fans that held the hope for this game to be great again through all these years.
@@CreatureVision two players are missing, and more heroes further muddying the waters… battlepass sucks… the feel sucks… It was dead as soon as it came out. I honestly can’t believe people are so gaming addicted that they refused to acknowledge it.
I was sooooo not surprised to see this today. As someone who never played PvP games, OW was the ONE game I enjoyed. The characters were really cool and their play styles were unique. I liked seeing the little character interactions and how the story wove around itself. And then blizzard made awful choices. Their employees were… questionable. The whole stealing breast milk incident too. And then OW2 was announced and we were so excited! But it never delivered. You know something’s bad when it makes you miss lootboxes. I legitimately feel scammed. I wish I could go back to OW1. I haven’t opened the game in months because I hate the battle pass system, I’m not paying $20 to own a character so I don’t get my ass beat because I don’t have the time to grind for a month in hopes that i get the newest hero before the battle pass drops back to lv 1. I’m done with blizzard ruining a game I did actually love. I was sad to stop playing, but I just can’t be bothered to care anymore. I’m numb. If ToTK had been a disappointment I would have been devastated. Thank goodness it’s amazing.
Feel exactly the same! Apex fills a hole, but I miss jumping into the lobby of a six team and going crazy. After 5 years I'm not going to suddenly pay for a new character when they deleted the game I actually bought 😂
i honestly never thought that i would miss lootboxes, but to make a battle pass was soooo disappointing. i held out for the pve, but it's never happening. what happened to a game, that used to be amazing, actually hurts ngl
I always believed ToTK will be amazing, gaming in 2023 is not worse then before, but some companies are trash and people should stop buying their games and enjoy the good games that do exist. I will never play any acti-blizz games anymore and that alone is a good step for better gameplay experience
Let's not forget that overwatch was $60 on release only for them to stop producing content and then release overwatch 2, remove all the free cosmetics and flood the game with microtransactions because it was "free"
As a developer at a huge software firm... Sometimes shit just goes off the rails on day one and never makes it back into the rails. Bad project management, bad development decisions, back design choices, etc. I've never been part of a project from the start that went that way, but I've joined them later to try and slide across the finish line a little less sideways than it had been. Major promises broken. Client relationships shattered. It sucks a lot. But at the end of the day, it just is what it is.
It isn't "just what it is", this isn't some small fucking software company. This is a corporation with enough money to BUY A FUCKING COUNTRY. A corporation that has promised shit and sold things under bad faith and the promised premise of pve. This isn't just another fuck up. This is a law suit opportunity for anyone who bought the 40 buck OW2 pack sold on the false advertising of PvE being accessible as soon as possible.
As an observationist at video game trend and industry" This is what i called a scam Sure it happen time to time, but now its much more common and developers now being given green light to release game or unfinish project like this and then shrugged off easily. In Korea, china or japan, you just get hanged. It sucks a lot, but it is what it is.
They are lucky porn stuff of OW are much popular than the game itself especially in asia. So the Dev could live another day. Its suck, but in the end, it is what it is
@@AtomicAlchemist Blizz has fucked up too much in recent years for me to continue being mad. Now I am indeed just disappointed, won't touch the game anymore, and will move on to play something else.
It’s the most fun game I’ve ever played. I’ve put more hours into it than any. To see it go down in flames like this is just so gut wrenching. The overwatch community must stand together in times like this
The pve was one of the biggest reasons I got back into Overwatch. The sexual harrasment lawsuits they had a few years ago are what made me stop playing, along with being bored af at the game. Super sad to see them drop the pve mode
@@fab9207 Obviously because they don't want to actively support a company that is this problematic. Though then again, pretty much any big game studio is controversial lol
@@fab9207 ive been in work environments where Ive been sexually harassed by coworkers and nothing get done about it(other than me quiting). I refused to support a company that is problematic. I still dont feel good support them rn, but they seemed like they actively made changes to make their work environment better. I just wish pve was still on the table
I like to imagine Jeff Kaplan somewhere sitting on a beach sipping on a maitai and thinking to himself "I am sure glad I got out of that mess." but also facepalm at the state of the game now.
They threw away a beautiful conceptual world with fantastic characters and fantastic potential to gear towards Arcane-style projects. I remember following the initial stages of the games fondly. Saying that I'm sad about this is an understatement.
@@ericx6969 and blaming the developers who wished to implement the features but we're unable to due to management wanting to lean more towards live service instead of pve is....
@@marismcmullen6023 no you dumb nut, it's not that they have nothing to show for it, it's just that all of the higher-ups have told them to completely discard and scrap any and all concepts and stuff that they've been working on. It takes about 2 to 4 years to make a one game with 3d models in it, but all of it was simply discarded as management literally forced this upon the developers.
What I think is the worst thing for Blizzard is that they are too big to fall. If they hadn't been bought by Activision back in the day, they would either be dead or taken over by someone else. Their problem is that they don't need to care about money or failure like many other companies. That's why they can make terrible decisions over and over again, and it won't matter at all because they will have money anyway.
They were too big to fall, but the little chip damage is starting to show up... killing StarCraft, WoW failures, Warcraft Reforged, Diablo Immortal and now Overwatch, they are taking so many hits that even a giant can start to fall
@@l0kk016 Diablo Immortal was a massive success financially. Over 100million in revenues. Which makes me no longer have faith in blizzard games. They have Whales, and want to milk them for the sweet whale milk.
I’ve been off this game for a while, but my friends kept telling me to get Overwatch 2, to be honest, I was excited to hear there was actually gonna be a sort of story mode coming out. However, I didn’t want to get the second game UNTIL the story stuff finally released because that’s what I was really interested in. The story and my own personal experience with my friends. From the cutscenes to trailers and lore teasers, it was cool to piece together, but you can’t really tell a story from a live service game, especially during a PvP match when you’re getting smashed or have to wait for the next ‘season’s’ story to buy the pass and miss last year’s story… unless you’re like other titles and keep archives for it in game. Now that PVE is officially DEAD, I have zero reasons to get Overwatch 2, now. Sometimes the adventure and story IS more important than your live service PvP, especially with how that tech tree was looking and the promise for what the enemies could do to keep you coming back over and over. But now it’s cancelled? Worst decision to be made for this game… besides the loot box ideas or price gouging for skins. Good job disappointing us, Blizzard… again.
Did you guys know there's this game that Valve made in 2007 that has robust services for not only PVE and PVP but also custom servers and mod-ability? It's free to play and you can pick and choose your cosmetics! The characters are well developed and excellently voiced, there are story lines surrounding different holidays and there are even events that are still held every year!
As a fan of Overwatch SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL FINISHING MY FIRST YEAR OF COLLEGE. The amount if disappointment I feel is ridiculous, and a huge middle finger was given to the community on this day. it’s been one hell of a trip.
@@Goldy01 Heartbreaking insinuates you still had trust in the company and game. I’m not speaking for everyone, but personally, I stopped trusting in the game a very long time ago, and especially after the release of Overwatch 1.1. They delivered an unfinished game, got rid of maps, and blocked more than half of the characters for new players. It’s mind blowing that people feel anything but numb.
@@dooddoingstuff hey, don't talk about the MVP runner up 2x overwatch league champion, may melee winner, overwatch world cup winner, role star, all star and GOAT like that EVER again, he said it only happened once when he was 14 (a couple of months ago)
Overwatch doing this is actually really good for me. There is another game called Battleborn that got kicked to the curb by 2K because it couldn’t keep up with OW. Now that OW is refusing to put in a PvE, a game like Battleborn that has the 5v5 mechanic that OW has AND has a Campaign and “Heroic Challenges” modes can potentially resurface and possibly do better than it did originally.
Extremely disappointing, but I place all blame on Blizzard and not on the developers working there. They're left to do all the work under whatever conditions and cuts these past years, and then the higher ups make them have to deliver the bad news too. I'm sure those developers would say a lot more if they could but are thankful enough to have not been cut like many others.
@@Apple_Beshy the developers are not in charge of game direction or marketing. Blizzard higher ups tell them what direction to take the game, handle the marketing direction, and decide what information is given to the public.
If you go into custom games you can find PVE game modes in other words desperate grasps to what could have been and honestly some of them did pretty well with the tools they had 😂
We waited for like 4 years for pve, they moved everything to that and let the live service die, and now what we're getting is basically the same thing we were getting before they focussed on pve. The subtext under all complaints about the game being neglected was "but its okay bc pve will be hype" and now we have a game with 4 years of neglect and currently nothing to show for it
