So many people saying K swapping was a bad idea... literally almost every race team Ive seen that uses s2k have moved to K series motors... F series engines are great but they are expensive and not highly avaliable... K series are literally everywhere, and their after market support is only growing.
@@bige7186 uhh, it's actually because they only ever came out in the s2000. The K series has higher power potential especially when you consider k24 stroker kits can reach 2.7l of displacement, in a 4 cylinder. I know of a K tech stroker kit for the F20C which brings the motor to 2.4l... otherwise a stock K24. Without opening up the engine, and using only bolt ons and e85, the k24a2 can reach 240 hp, but the F22C usually can get to around 220-230
been trying to get my hands on one, and I'm sure it was in the video and I just didn't hear it, but where can I get a k24a3 engine? I live in Michigan so not a lot of car enthusiast here so i cant just go into a shop and there it is.
The only reason to swap to a K is because of the aftermarket support and to keep the f20c in storage and not rack up miles … You can destroy a k series and they are a dime a dozen used*
if you plan on beating the shit out of the car k series wins because of availability and price point, for daily driving and weekend warrior cars, the f20 just awesome. wouldn't say to no to either power plant thought honestly. picking up an s2000 this week or next, low mile f20c prefferably
More like save the S. More S2000’s are getting ripped up and torn apart daily. Fucking voltex bodykits and volk te37’s everywhere. F series is still king and Real St proved it with their record setting S2000. Variable cam timing has no effect on a track car anyways.
if i owned a s2k I would preserve the engine in the garage and keep blowing up k20 engines lol then finnaly when I garage queen the car Put back the F20C if I was in your guys path .
@@mugengt142 first off every dyno is different and sea level is different. It’s common knowledge that you can’t get more power out of a f20/22c motor as easily as you can from a k series. And let’s not talk about each engines max power. Cause obviously more cc will give you more power. If the s2000 had a choice between k20a2 and f20c. Then I know which motor I’m going with. K20 will make more torque just because ivtec. Better powerband. It would respond better to bolt ons. And surpassing a f20c with bolt ons. Then once you get into building the engine. The k will blow away the f.
@@mugengt142 It has nothing to do with being broke or not. You have millionaires that spend money on everything and there are millionaires that always count their pennies. And you got broke people doing the same thing.
@@youtubecomments5951 you're missing the fact that stock for stock they're not that different. Most people will only ever do bolt-on's and a tune at most and be completely content, let alone dump 15k into one or want to swap an entire engine. You'd have to offset the cost, time and complication of swapping a K series before you can even start comparing the two engines, and at that point most people find the cost per performance hard to justify, even when the K series is undoubtedly superior as an engine. None of this stops the F series from still being a damn good engine. The k swap is really only for people who are serious about peak performance.
@@NitroNuggetTV ok I’ll say this then. The k20 is a better platform to start out with and I’ll say again. If the s2000 had a choice of a f20/22 k20/24. I’d go k series all day. So bottom line. The k is a better motor
I would personally go the FI route with supercharger instead of k swapping. F series seems such a good match to the s2000 chassis. An engine that only came on a specific car says a lot. And really you can't beat the OEM plus look. Good build though
I think alot of S owners will be switching to K series. I think I will be once my engine goes out. I am at 208k miles but I keep it back in my mind so when it does go out.
I am still in love with the F20C. 9000rpm is intoxicating and visceral. TBC still gives me a much more connected feel than the later F22 DBW. I regret the day I sold my 02 AP1. I kept track of it and one of the new owners totalled it :(
@@lazybullitz3821 i doubt it, a k24 7k rpm has piston speed higher than k20 8k rpm, unless destroked even if built that k24 is not going to last that long
@@ulisesavila2879 you must not know much bruh tbh. There is a whole class of cars doing that in the 7's. I think some guys are spinning them to 11k with all billet motors
Such a great engine the k series is especially when turbocharged or ITB, the F series is impressive as well I read somewhere you can get 600-700 hp out of it with stock internals. I don’t know what I would do if I had a s2k keep the F series or go for the K 🤔.
Ye i took a interest in the F20C cause wanted to place it in a DC2 and ye their internals come forged from factory so you can run 30psi on a stock F20C block if i'm not mistaken and that's pretty cool
I made 615whp on c16 and 515whp everything stock besides injectors, clutch, and a full race kit. Made it 4 years of abuse without issue then a head gasket went.
The F series is superior to the K in stock form in every way. I feel like swapping it out kinda takes away from what the s2000 is and was intended for. The fastest s2000 in the entire world is an f series engine. And there’s so much support for rebuilds of the f series now, there’s literally no reason to go to a k series. Plus, here in Cali we have to stay smog legal so a f series engine swap won’t work. But cool video ✌🏻✌🏻 we will keep our f series alive! We’re a die hard bunch of gear heads that own the s2000.
i know im late but like for the price of k swapping and adding performance parts to it versus keeping the original engine and adding performance parts to it it sounds like youd probably be better off keeping the original engine and be able to add more performance parts to it instead of paying to swap the engine first. like if there was a budget challenge to use only 15k to get the best performance out of these cars the one that didnt get engine swapped would have higher performance because youd have more money to spend on the actual upgrades versus swapping in an engine first. by that point i think youd just be able to spend a little extra on finding a way to make the original engine more powerful and more reliable with the right parts anyways
I'm going to love mine since it's built, forged, cammed and built by 4 Pistons. The engine cost more than the s2000 R title shell, then there's turbo parts on top of that cost. Woo! It's going to be a good summer!
I think for most people remaining F is the way. I'm at 189k miles *knock on wood* no issues. 04/05 F22 FBO w/ greddy EMU. between me and previous owners over 60+ track days and countless touge time. If you need to get competitive, blew your motor etc. that is a whole nother thing though.
I allways considered this comparation unfair. U are comparing the same gearbox with a k24/k20 that has more hp with "shorter gearing". To compare same engine and gearbox capability u should compare something like: f20c with 4.7 fd; f22c with 4.55 fd; k24/20 with a 3.8 fd. The only direct comparation i had was the k24/k20 head (all stock with dc5 cams) vs f20c, both with the same gearbox. Of course k24 wins hands down because it has less top speed but more aceleration. But put a 4.7 final drive or even shorter in the f20c and compare again
id say k swap if u plan on racing just cuz there cheaper but i made 600hp on my stock unopened f22 with just e85 an a 6262 precision turbo...it was insane an sounded like an f1 car
Really good. I hope one day I get an S2000 and enjoy the F20C first, probably with the AP2 transmission. If the F20C gets blown, I'd definitely swap with a K24.
Im building an LS turbo mustang currently but the next project I do will most likely be a k series swap. Such a clean and compact motor with great potential. This s2k looks phenomenal, great build 👍🏻
I was wondering that too with the front engine mid mount design being essentially part of the magic of the chassis and great handling. The k24 has to be substantially heavier. Would cause understeer. In theory.
They don't weigh that much different and the K24 is mounted in the same position/angle as the F20, I don't think it upsets the weight distribution at all
Feeling proud of my 2001 Stream with k20a under the bonnet and happy as hell 4 years now. The best family guy's car possible. I call it Shinkansen ;-P Funny, spacious, reliable, trouble-free, stands out in the crowd.
awesome video bro - first video I've seen from you in a while and I'm so proud of how far you've come in terms of video quality, content, presentation and overall presence. well done bro Can't wait to see you explode even more bros
Finally someone recognized k series is better and has better potential than f series. F series is good by no means. It's bullet proof but k series has better tuning capabilities and better torque band from low to high.
Putting a k-series into an s2000 without a blown F-series is just stupid. Unless you plan on saving the original engine for the sake of collector value (which a car that has been swapped and km'd out isn't going to have), I don't see the reason with one caveat: you ONLY care about horsepower, and plan on blowing up your k-series at some point, at which point having a cheaper motor to replace makes sense.
I strongly disagree. Yes the K series is a great platform for builders and tuners. But there are so many other considerations to account before “tuning” a vehicle. As well mentioned in the video “the S2000 is a legendary car” and that status was not given just because the chassis or the roadster, also the masterpiece F20c engine. Swapping a K-series engine into the S2000 will plummet its market value. A pristine, low miles, oem s2000 can reach the 6 digits dollars in auctions. The argument of cheap parts is just for the engine, not cheap to replace body parts or interiors on and S2000 (specially the soft or hard top). Same reason why you wouldn’t K swap an NSX. So no, I would not swap a F20/F22 engine for a K series.
I'm still tweaking my F22 until she blows. Then I might go K series. Buuuttt. I have a J35A8 on the shelf I'm also thinking about putting in there next.
It’s not cheaper if you add in the cost of the swap itself you’re already out five to 6K you can have a reliable 500 hp F-series for that kind of money. Know if money is no object to you then yeah I would agree. The K-series probably is the battery engine if you’re trying to build it.
K20 might be a better engine and produce way more power with mods specially in a NA set up where the f20 is pretty much maxed out. But I still love the f20/f22 it has its own sound that I love, unless it blows maybe I’ll consider a k20/24.
For all the money im gonna waste to buy a swap and mod, I can just leave the f20 in and then spend the money I would have spent on a supercharger or turbo kit and get more bang for my buck.
The only reason why is because the k series has more aftermarket parts. The f series is a n amazing engine but not to many people could afford it thus not not much aftermarket parts were created
I would give just about anything to have an S2000. Got my first honda in March of 2023, an 8th gen Si coupe. Had 190,000, paint peeling, and some light body damage, but I loved the hell out of that car. Had a motorcycle accident in November of 2022, breaking both my legs. I only got $7k back and $4000 went to getting my car. It was recently stolen on May 1st and I've been sick without it.
