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Testing ‪@PathLessPedaledTV‬ Russ' UNO shifter prototype. Works flawlessly, shifts 12-speed, it's silver, and it's got a crispy ratchet. It's the shifter for the apocalypse.
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@hectorcorona9536
@hectorcorona9536 Год назад
I'm in love of the way you use an engineering approach to bike problems. Your production values are awesome, I hope your channel receives the subscriber number that it deserves
@greggr1591
@greggr1591 Год назад
I love the flexibility and adaptability of friction shifting (forget incompatibility, go fretless), and Russ's development of the UNO adds another option to the Rivendell and Microshift shifters. Thanks Russ & thanks for the review!
@dariuslankarian3282
@dariuslankarian3282 Год назад
Love the collaboration between you two.
@CarlinTran
@CarlinTran Год назад
Love it! Russ has been really pushing things.
@amitkumar-wj8gn
@amitkumar-wj8gn Год назад
This is the stuff the market needs.
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 Год назад
Fiction shifters have always been available in the market, people can buy it if they want to. Microshift has an 11 speed friction shifter, among other brands. I don't want to and have no need to.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
#whoosh
@michaelschoenbart4538
@michaelschoenbart4538 Год назад
Getting back into cycling after many years. really enjoying your content. thanks !
@gusjeazer
@gusjeazer 11 месяцев назад
There should be a way to create a grip twist shifter that has the range to shift it all. Grip shifters are awesome imo.
@TheAnon232
@TheAnon232 10 месяцев назад
Such a good explanation 👏👏
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 10 месяцев назад
🥹🥹🥹
@the_derpler
@the_derpler Год назад
I have a friction shifter now on one of my bikes. A triple in the front and an 8 speed I think in the back. I actually really like it, it feels like driving a manual car or something. It's fun to get the motion right.
@derrickb593
@derrickb593 11 месяцев назад
I have friction shift on several older bikes that I enjoy riding. I also have 9-speed indexed downtube shifters on one of my bikes. When riding by yourself or just on a casual ride with friends they all work great and I don't miss modern brifter levers at all. Where it is noticeable is when you're riding with more aggressive riders on modern bikes. They brake hard coming into a corner, immediately shift into the right gear, and power out of the corner without missing a beat. Since I can't work the brakes and the shifters at the same time and have to take my hands off the bars to shift (since mine are downtube mounted), I typically come into the corners with my hands on the brakes but in too high a gear for the exit. Then after I've made the turn, I have to pause briefly as I reach down and make the shift as I come out of the turn. It's not a huge thing but just enough to leave you a bike length or so behind and sprinting to catch up. After a couple of hours of that you can be pretty worn out compared to the other riders.
@PRH123
@PRH123 8 месяцев назад
When racing back in the day, everyone the peloton would pre-select-shift the gear that they would need coming out of the turn, when going into the turn... same thing when rolling into a climb, for example... it just requires a little looking up the road and planning ahead...
@StanEby1
@StanEby1 Год назад
Great explanations.
@Jasmine-zi2qh
@Jasmine-zi2qh Год назад
Lmao, I will admit that the fretted/fretless analogy is what *actually* explained this well to me for the first time.
@filmic1
@filmic1 Год назад
Neat. I had Suntour drive train on my 1973 Apollo Gran Tour with those shifters.
@coffeesocket2607
@coffeesocket2607 Год назад
I think I need some of these!
@michaelviglianco6121
@michaelviglianco6121 Год назад
The microshift works perfectly too
@bcc1955
@bcc1955 3 месяца назад
As someone who went from indexed shifters to friction shifters I can say that the experience gets better with time. After a while one gets used to the giving moving the shifter just enough. I would imagine the ratchet on this particular unit will make it even better for giving some feedback to obtain accurate consistent lever pulls.
@milehighbiker
@milehighbiker Год назад
The bass analogy! 😆
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
🤘🤘
@grandpashreddypants
@grandpashreddypants Год назад
I can't wait. Like literally, can't even. I have 3 projects this would complete. Probably have to settle for the microshift vs waiting a few years or whatever.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
Sounds like it may be sooner than you might expect
@jeffandersen6233
@jeffandersen6233 Год назад
i can appreciate the ratchet mechanism having used bar ends without it and having to make adjustments after standing on the pedals. Friction shifting can be nice but so is indexed. I'd love to see this ratcheted friction shifter as a downtube design too, Thanks to Russ for trying to help us out of the shifter/derailleur incompatability conumdrum.
@sci-fyguy7767
@sci-fyguy7767 7 месяцев назад
If my shimano claris shifter broke on my gravel bike, I would definitely be interested in installing this. I also like the fact that your shifting would never go out of adjustment (I believe) like index shifting occasionally does. 🔥🚴🏻‍♂️🔥
@AJXOXO-vz1pn
@AJXOXO-vz1pn Год назад
Index shifting didn’t come about until the late 80s, not the 70s as was stated in the video. Shimano indexed shifting killed off friction shifting in the high end racing market,and along with STI really put Shimano ahead of Campagnolo. Having grown up with friction shifting, I much prefer indexed shifting.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
I think suntour had something in the 70s before shimano sis
@peterwillson1355
@peterwillson1355 9 месяцев назад
Indexed downtube shifting didnt kill off friction shifting because those shifters gave you the choice between the two. The new bike I bought in 1996 had brifters but as soon as I found a nice pair of downtube shifters, i stopped using the brifters. Simplicity of set-up, no broken cables and brifters are not good for people with short fingers. I prefer riding in the drops for 99% of the time and its easier to use downtube shifters . I'm not afraid to take a hand off the bars.
@se9741
@se9741 Год назад
Ekar?
@hardmtnbiker
@hardmtnbiker Год назад
A little bit off topic but related. I’m planning on a flat bar gravel bike. A lot gravel bikes have direct flat mount rear brake but flat bar brakes are predominantly used with iso mounted calipers. I have been looking into options for using my parts bin old RX4 Hope/Shimano calipers and run Deore brake levers or just using Deore calipers and an adapter for the flat mount conversion
@mountaincruiser817
@mountaincruiser817 Год назад
Not for me, that thing is going to hit my knees when climbing for sure.
@stuartpotter4923
@stuartpotter4923 Год назад
haha love the fretless/fretted bass analogy ... is bass playing an riding a common thing? As a bassest myself, I'm always curious when I see bass content in the insta feeds of other cyclists I follow.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
I think musicianship in general and cycling somehow go well together.
@BillSmithPerson
@BillSmithPerson 6 месяцев назад
I totally want a steer-tube shifter.
@schoetti73
@schoetti73 2 месяца назад
And now build somthing cool for the Rohloff!
@kademan13
@kademan13 Год назад
The Uno is available now btw. Go buy it if you think that products like this should be supported.
@babyrabies
@babyrabies Год назад
best thing ever happened to cycling for a long while. Could it be mounted on the toptube with some kind of bracket? planned to use my dirtjumper to double up as a 3 speed light trail bike for goofing around.
@medina1440
@medina1440 Год назад
problem solvers has some tube mount clamps, that may fit your bike, but I'm no sure
@djkenny1202
@djkenny1202 Год назад
I love feel of index. Never really enjoyed shifting a friction that much. Steer Tube Shifter looks like a great way to Stab yourself crashing. 😆
@davidross8233
@davidross8233 Год назад
Just got mine. Really substantial and well made. Still trying to figure out how to mount it flat bar
@FireandBikes
@FireandBikes 6 месяцев назад
Did you try a Paul Comp Thumbie?
@zoladkow
@zoladkow 5 месяцев назад
wait... whats the ratchet for on a friction shifter? I ride a 9s casette, so range is not a problem with off the shelf Sunrace retro shifter, but it's how sprockets are spaced on a casette, ie.how much cable pull is required to shift. With 9s one needs to be more precise than with a 6s. in essence larger spacing - easier to hit that gear i'm looking for and not overshoot. I wonder if that Uno has some sort of pull ratio tuning...
@testtest-ol3yi
@testtest-ol3yi 3 месяца назад
god we need to just go back to 7 speed
@sandrochiavaro7831
@sandrochiavaro7831 Год назад
Friction Di2 coming next, stay tuned😜. Aja great stuff! Love your take on a great product. Does Me liking it make me makes a retro grouch ? #retrogrouchwanabe😊
@jemmgillies
@jemmgillies Год назад
Will it work with 13sp Ekar though? 🤔
@davyhaynes6716
@davyhaynes6716 5 месяцев назад
The silver shifter will shift 10s. At least if it can't, nobody ever told mine that it couldn't.
@PaulBeiser
@PaulBeiser Год назад
Pretty cool, would be nice if there was a way to mount on the downtube (like my Campy SR 6 Speed from 1985 🙂).
@trevekneebone369
@trevekneebone369 Год назад
See my post. You can buy these already as Dia-Compe ENE 11 Spd Down Tube Shifters.
@SMidberg
@SMidberg 3 месяца назад
Good question.We are a lot of 85- bike owners.
@vinnyl.canuel6172
@vinnyl.canuel6172 Год назад
Simple curiosity 🤔 working on Ekar 13 speed ?
@marvinschock5559
@marvinschock5559 4 месяца назад
How much cable does the right shifter pull? Enough for 13*3.65? Where can it be bought (out of stock everywhere)?
@JoseFuguet
@JoseFuguet Год назад
After a lot of thinking, I decided to go with a end bar shifter on my Redwood, I’m converting from flat-bar so I don’t expect the learning curve to be too complicated at least no more that learning to ride on drop bars anyways, the only downside with the UNO is the color, my bike is green and black with soon to be gold so that silver accent doesn’t match; hopefully the people is manufacturing it will include a black version
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
Just get the microshift one. It’s black
@justdude8115
@justdude8115 11 месяцев назад
Don't even remember a single black dia compe component.
@breathestrongcycling3672
@breathestrongcycling3672 Год назад
Still use friction, suntour was standard on my trek560. It's simple, bombproof and with only 7or 8 gears out the back you don't shift that much anyway. Riders of modern bikes just shift too much I reckon...just pedal harder FFS 😉
@peterwillson1355
@peterwillson1355 9 месяцев назад
100%!! Bought a new bike in 1996, with brifters. Disappointed.
@peterwillson1355
@peterwillson1355 9 месяцев назад
That is by no means the VERY FIRST STEER TUBE SHIFTER...
@rothgartheviking858
@rothgartheviking858 Месяц назад
Can you get this to mount on a down tube?
@jumperdriver1
@jumperdriver1 7 месяцев назад
Where can I purchase an UNO shifter?
@nizam_mr
@nizam_mr 5 месяцев назад
Will this shifter be the answer for 105 12-speed mechanical RD for TT bike? im interested
@tonyg3091
@tonyg3091 11 месяцев назад
A solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. How often are your hands there?
@billkallas1762
@billkallas1762 Год назад
What about a ratchet downtube shifter that can throw a 12 speed cassette? The last time I used friction was with a 7 speed freewheel (13-21) Not that many bikes come with downtube (or headtube) bosses, for cable attachment, anymore.
@peterwillson1355
@peterwillson1355 9 месяцев назад
You can use one with a clamp for the downtube. But not on a CF frame
@johnp9650
@johnp9650 Год назад
Marketing tag line: Works & Plays swell With Others! All Others!
@troytaylor1913
@troytaylor1913 3 месяца назад
My BMX has 3 sprockets on the freewheel 16t 18t 22t I think. the Crank sprocket is 38t and 28t I got a new short cage Shimano in the back and a Shimano top pull in front. The top tube is 44 mm it's the only place I can reach I got a clamp with Shimano Z401 friction shifters, it's a flatlander bike with gyro so shifters on bars won't work. Those are inexpensive and cheap to replace if broken and look good on my BMX show bike or any bike with chrome, 6-speed with friction shifters no problem. Shimano Z401 comes in 2 versions one has cable stops the other doesn't, you want cable stops if mounting to the Seatpost "suicide style" or a top tube like mine.
@troytaylor1913
@troytaylor1913 3 месяца назад
I'm doing the same thing to another BMX but it's a low rider with fenders, twisted sissy bar. 9 speed with friction shifters same ones. Friction shifters is the way to go. I would never find index shifters for my lowrider modifications.
@peterwillson1355
@peterwillson1355 9 месяцев назад
You can use a downtube friction shifter instead. They have been available for decades. I use them for 9 speed cassettes and they work fine. I wouldn't want pointy stuff on the ends of my handlebars
@xerxoid9331
@xerxoid9331 День назад
Does anyone know what the insertion diameter is for this shifter? I can't find it listed on any product page.
@davidross8233
@davidross8233 Год назад
What kind of adapter do I need to mount this on a flat bar?
@FireandBikes
@FireandBikes 6 месяцев назад
Paul Thumbie??
@scummyd3226
@scummyd3226 9 дней назад
I know u said this would work anywhere from 8-12 speed but what about my old Diamondback 3x 6 speed???
@aznwierdone
@aznwierdone Год назад
I'm building up a modern mtb but am seriously considering getting the uno as a thumbie a la Andrew major of nsmb and meatengines. Would eliminate any compatibility worries of 11sp 12sp, Shimano or SRAM. Thumbie though, not the steerertube craziness ;)
@betenoirproductions6062
@betenoirproductions6062 Год назад
+1 A thumbie configuration would make this a much more successful product. I hope Russ and his collaborators are thinking about doing this b/c as pointed out, barcons inhibit quick and easy shifting, not to mention mashing your knees into them if you're not careful.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
😂
@briand8862
@briand8862 Год назад
Thumbie is already available per Russ' video.
@betenoirproductions6062
@betenoirproductions6062 Год назад
@@briand8862 an *11-speed* thumbie is already available per Russ' video; the UNO is a *12-speed* bar-end shifter. It's not crystal clear from Russ' video but it sounds like you'd have to buy a set of Dia Compe ENE Ciclo thumbies (11-speed) and transfer the UNO 12-speed mechanism over to the thumbie mount. So that's $160 for the ENE Ciclos plus whatever the price will be for the UNO plus having to perform a hack with (presumably) no warranty. Just make a thumbie version of the UNO, please.
@briand8862
@briand8862 Год назад
@@betenoirproductions6062 My understanding was the lever is identical. It has been quite a while since I watched that video though.
@daniellarson3068
@daniellarson3068 Год назад
The thing I notice is that nobody puts the shifters on the down tube like my old Schwinn Continental had. Even the handlebar center position you concocted seems like it makes for safer riding.
@peterwillson1355
@peterwillson1355 9 месяцев назад
Why safer?
@daniellarson3068
@daniellarson3068 9 месяцев назад
@@peterwillson1355 I would be inclined to take my eyes off the road to move my hands to the downtube shifters. My hand would be off the handlebar longer. I don't remember shifters on the downtube of my Continental being a hassle, but that was about 40 years ago. I think having the shifters by the hands is more ergonomic. Less human error, less mistakes, safer. Opinions will vary.
@Bchun1222
@Bchun1222 Год назад
wish these were available 😢
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
Soon I think
@Bchun1222
@Bchun1222 Год назад
@@TheBikeSauce couldnt wait 😭 bought a microshift
@ashurany
@ashurany Год назад
Having to move off the hoods to shift and settling for a "wrong" gear is not "here nor there" but a key point you make. Never road a bike with friction shifting, but it seems much more inconvenient than index shifting, ntm giving up some handling control over the bike to shift is for me at least a no-go.
@michaelviglianco6121
@michaelviglianco6121 Год назад
It's really not difficult whatsoever
@peterwillson1355
@peterwillson1355 9 месяцев назад
You get better handling control riding in the drops. Using brifters is not comfortable for people with short fingers/ small hands. Funny how previous generations were not afraid to take a hand off the bars to shift. How do you make hand signals, or drink?
@robroba10
@robroba10 8 месяцев назад
Has this been confirmed to work with Ekar?? I could use this...
@55whiplash
@55whiplash 9 месяцев назад
Honestly after a while I'm faster on my friction shifters, I'm still using old Suntours and Rivendell's Silver shifter, which is very similar to the UNO shifter, but only handles 9 speeds max.
@hugobci
@hugobci 4 месяца назад
Where can I buy one of these?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 4 месяца назад
www.somafabshop.com/shop/590713-ene-ciclo-uno-bar-end-shifter-rear-only-12-sp-8272#attr=
@hugobci
@hugobci 4 месяца назад
@@TheBikeSauce thankyou!!! But Temporarily out of stock 🥲
@Jack42Frost
@Jack42Frost Год назад
Do they come in a downtube model?
@SMidberg
@SMidberg 3 месяца назад
Also like to know that.
@trevekneebone369
@trevekneebone369 Год назад
As far as I can see, these are the same levers as the Dia-Compe ENE 11 Speed Down Tube Shifters that I bought 3 years ago. They have just added a bar-end mount. You could do the same right now.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
The barrel diameter on the uno is large enough to shift through 12 speeds. I don’t think the Ene 11 can do that?
@trevekneebone369
@trevekneebone369 Год назад
@@TheBikeSauce Are you sure that the 11 and 12 speed diameters are different? I don't know 🤷‍♂️ Despite having ridden with Simplex Retrofriction levers in the 80's, I couldn't get on with friction shifting 11 speeds.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Год назад
Can’t say for sure. Takes more finesse on 11 and 12 speed for sure
@froseph85
@froseph85 Год назад
There’s a few things going on here. Some of it has to do with how “wide” the cassette is, ie distance between big and small cog on a cassette. When upgrading a cassette, you sometimes need to install a spacer to account for that difference. The other part is how much cable pull a derailleur needs, ie how much cable needs to be pulled to shift between cogs. For indexed shifting, the shifter pulls the right amount per click to get between cogs, where as in friction the rider “figures it out”. For 7,8,9 speeds, the cable pull remained the same, the width of cassette remained the same, but the distance between cogs shrunk down. The shifters just pulled less per click to move the derailleur less distance between cogs, but the total for dance pulled between the smallest and largest cogs was the same. A lot of the incompatibilities between speeds and MTB / road came after 9 speed to address a specific issues with the amount of cable pull. As the distance between cogs gets smaller, the amount of cable pulled by the derailleur to shift one cog up/down typically gets smaller. At some point, it get so small that consistent shifts become impossible. Some of this is addressed by changing the space between cogs in a cassette, but most of this was addressed by changing the cable pull so that derailleur requires more cable pulled by the shifter to shift between gears. This generally means a larger diameter ratchet is needed to pull more cable. Road bikes are limited by the space in the hoods, so they only increased the cable pull a little bit. Mountain bikes have no such limitations, and because they often get more dirt and grime into the drivetrain, they generally have a larger cable pull than road drive trains. Uno was designed for 12 speed mountain bike derailleurs so it uses a larger ratchet to pull more cable than other friction shifters which are often designed for road bikes. TLDR; If your 11 speed friction is designed for road derailleurs, it might not work for mountain bikes because mountain bikes need more cable pulled per shift.
@bryanflo4500
@bryanflo4500 Год назад
@@froseph85 What a thorough and thoughtful explanation. Definitely helped me understand the problem the Uno is trying to solve over the existing Ene. Cheers, froseph!
@wandae6352
@wandae6352 Год назад
@ thebikesauce dont get me wrong, I like your content about experimenting with different set up which is not budget nor brand restricted Buuuuuuttttt...... For me, stem caps are flushed for a reason, And having a shifter protruding where the headset cap should be is not something I would want during an "over the bars" incidents😅 I think for me, the better way to install that is to make a custom stem to support friction or thumb shifters. Like the old road bike set ups before. 1. its reachable at arms length 2. Its keeping you upright when shifting hard 3 you can see your available gears by looking at its angle position. The downside is it also left you one handed And short stem and slammed stem might be an issue😅
@Metal-Possum
@Metal-Possum 11 месяцев назад
If you want to be a retrogrouch, just use the latest version of Acera 8 speed and be done with it. All these people who think 1984 was the glory days of drivetrains are forgetting that hyperglide cassette hubs, ramped/pinned chainrings, and wide range cassettes, and compact or subcompact chainrings weren't available until the very late 80's or early 90's. Why in gods name do you think you need 12 speed when there's an absolute abundance of old stuff that still has plenty of life left in it?
@bcc1955
@bcc1955 3 месяца назад
Actually not sure you stem shifter looks so bad, particularly is position for forward-aft movement.
@bikepackingadventure7913
@bikepackingadventure7913 Год назад
It’s good - however Drop bar bike with hydraulic brakes, you already have a shifter combined with the brake hood 🤔 Flat bar bike with hydraulic brakes, you would just get thumb index shifters with groupset The only time I can see this used is if you have mechanic brakes such as rim brakes or mechanic disc brakes Thoughts 🤔🤔
@briand8862
@briand8862 Год назад
Or you need to shift a derailleur/cassette that your current levers can't shift properly. Say, you need to replace something, but what was original isn't available, now you can shift anything.
@chazwarpdrive5171
@chazwarpdrive5171 Год назад
with most groupsets, yes, but non-shifting hydro levers for drop bars do exist
@bobwilliamson5574
@bobwilliamson5574 7 месяцев назад
It looks very user unfriendly.
@jimbrittain402
@jimbrittain402 Год назад
WHEN ARE THEY GONNA ACTUALLY SELL THE GODDDAM THINGS??!!!
@raysmith9324
@raysmith9324 Год назад
Available at the end of the month!
@Dobaspl
@Dobaspl Год назад
Non-indexed derailleurs were invented a long time ago. And with the option of attaching it conveniently under the thumb without the need to take your hand off the steering wheel. Where is the revolution here, where is the innovation here?
@Excelbrains
@Excelbrains 10 месяцев назад
Mounting the friction shifter at the end of the handlebar? Never understood this. As you indicate yourself this requires moving your hands off of the handlebar. This simply is neither efficient nor safe. Same thing with Trek and their Truskew system: why not simply use a thru axle?
@markthomas741
@markthomas741 Год назад
Friction shifting sucks.
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