This Sorting Hat Theory Totally CHANGES Harry Potter 

That's... absolutely terrifying.

Hey, the hat is never wrong, or so it claims for itself lol

I am pretty sure that Neville is the Heir to Gryffindor. It took real bravery to let Voldemort hug him so that he could kill the last Horcrux.

@Foolish188 Neville never let Tom tuch him.. Now, in the movies, Tom hugs Draco. The big connection between Tom and Neville is the torture of his parents after Tom failed his mission to kill Harry.. but this was done by Bellatrix and the Carrows. It's why they are at Saint Mongo's.. the movie leaves it out, but the trio comes across him, and Lockheart is in the same hospital.

Harry still acted as a leader. Hermione represented Ravenclaw. Ron represented Hufflepuff. All three were intended to represent the other houses but the importance is the choices that they made. This makes the theory much stronger.

And they became heroes ​@@CobraCooKais

I think its more that an 11 year old is too young to be sorted into a house that will affect the rest of their life. Take Peter Pettigrew. Its possible he WAS fairly brave at 11 hence he got into into Gryffindor, but something happened that broke him along the way or stronger traits were uncovered as he aged, namely selfishness and cowardice. In the end Slytherin could have proven a better fit. If students were chosen in say their fourth year, that would give them time to grow and for the school to help shape them into the wizards and witches they will one day be.

Personally I think it would be best if The students were sorted every single year. Since most students only associate with those in their own house and people change all of the time, especially while growing up. People are also affected by those around them and being surrounded by people with the same flaws as them, can lead to that flaw growing. Like in Gryffindor. The flaws are Arrogance, impulsiveness, hotheadedness and recklessness. (Ron’s detractors often say he should have been a Slytherin because he wants to be great and gets jealous but it’s because of those traits, that he belongs in Gryffindor. Same thing with Sirius and James.)

Honestly, sorting in general is pretty fucking stupid. The idea that Gryffindors are the brave ones? Or Ravenclaw has the dibs on all the "brightest" students? It's as dumb as saying you're star sign is what makes you have certain traits.

Yea I mean I took the quiz at 11 or 12 and got hufflepuff and then at age 14 my best friend was like "no way! You have to retake it!" So I did and I got slytherin that time and every time since

It makes me think would snape have turned to the dark side and if James potter and his friends would have treated him differently if he had been placed in their own house.

They can choose a different house that aligns with different values Peter pettigrew was sorted into gryffindor because he blended in more with them Hermione was sorted into gryffindor because she valued bravery and friendship more than booksmarts and in gryffindor she would be able to learn that better

That action, trying to convince the hat to sort them somewhere else, is a very syletherin thing to do too.

@@havvagokce1441 why do you see it that way?

Lots of kids have great ambitions. They want to be rich, or astronaughts, or play professional sports, or any number of big dreams. It's about values, and I'm sure some kids who want to be in one house or the other are put where they would thrive better, but I'd think lots of kids are caught between two and get to 'choose' because they would thrive in either house. Harry would have done well in Slytherin, but he would become a very different person. Snape would be allowed to show him favoritism, not that he necessarily would have, and he would be surrounded by people with high motivation and standards instead of Ron's more laid-back attitude. Nature and nurture, really, and in the end it is our choices that define us.

@@havvagokce1441 I see where you’re coming from, but you don’t freeze in the snow because you’re too proud to go inside. If you know one place is not your culture, it is reasonable to refuse that as a possibility

There were other times where he showed his bravery. Like in 1st year when he stood up to to Harry, Ron and Hermione before they went after the philosophers stone.

I feel like also in Third Year when Neville admitted to McGonagall that he had a list of all the passwords that allowed Sirius Black in the Common Room was a show of bravery as well.

While I don't remember if this was only in the movie or not, being the first Gryffindor student to stand up for dancing lessons (and by his own will, no less, while all others, Harry included, hesitated), showcases a different kind of courage. I believe this was in the _Goblet of Fire_ one? If this one was movie-specific though, it may not have been so good an example as it was behaviour extrapolated from the books rather than a direct source.

Neville was definitely brave. He stood up to the trio in the first book. He unflinchingly went to the Ministry in book five and fought against thr Death Eaters like everyone else. He took Harry's place leading Dumbledore's Army despite knowing the consequences and not only killed Nagini but didn't even flinch when Harry asked him to do so in the seventh book. McGonagall knew this as well and even told him this "There is nothing wrong with your work Longbottom aside from a lack of confidence." I think the reason the prophecy could have also meant Neville shows that he had the potential in him just like Harry, that's why he didn't back down from anything.

Nature vs nurture, nurture won lmao

he needed confidence and companionship to help him be the brave and strong person that he truly was, he struggles with Snape and Umbridge but stood firmly with Harry against the Death Eaters and the Carrows

I think Neville is a bit different, because as far as I recall he used his father's wand without being his true master and only after it breaks in the fifth book is he able to fully use his potential. He was always brave even in his first year ( courage is not having no fear but acting despite ones fear) but I would draw the comparison to Brock lee training with weights all the time and being absolutely insane once nothing else holds him back anymore.

@@carsonfabig9801 just like I said, nurture won against nature.

Harry wasn't sure either at some point

Harry Potter himself was doubting the hat's choice until the end of Chamber of Secrets.

Haha😂

Hermione was a ravenclaw in the robot chicken skits

@@gamerhead473 WDYM

For Ron they will have to create a new house. Ron won't be in Graffindor being scared of spiders. No way inRavenclaw for obvious reasons not in Hufflepuff as he wasn't loyal twice or is it thrice he abondend Harry. No ambition so no Slytherin...😢

Would be a good fanfic

@@Samp50 The thing with Ron is that he did value loyalty, but it's a two way street. The first time he abandoned Harry was when he thought Harry had gotten into the triwizard tournament intentionally without sharing the strategy he used with him. He saw this as a betrayal of their friendship, even though he was wrong, it was disloyal to his point of view. Similarly when he left Harry and Hermione during the horcrux hunt, his mind had been twisted by the locket to think the two of them were more than friends and that he was the "third wheel" in their relationship. He was jealous of the two, but there was also a part of him that wanted them to be happy together, no matter how much it broke his heart that Hermione "chose" Harry over him. Once free of the locket's influence, he started to somewhat come to his senses, allowing him to return and for Harry to learn from Ron's battle with the locket what Ron's true insecurities were.

It’s magic

This could have been solved with a preliminary round. The hat does a 'vibe check' on all of the students it will be sorting, then goes back through to make it's verdict. For the official round, the hat could then deliberately fill the houses with an equal number of students by sorting the 'least' Hufflepuff of the Hufflepuffs (for example) into the house they are second most suited for. This ensures the 'ideal' candidates end up in the correct house, everyone ends up in a house relatively suited to them, and the houses are similarly populated. As is, my 'head canon' answer to your question is the hat is not as focused on finding the "perfect" house for each student as is assumed. Basically, like with the above scenario, the hat is paying attention to how many students it has placed in each house throughout the process, and students will be placed in their secondary (or even tertiary) house if their primary house is receiving too many students AND they are not an 'ideal' candidate for any house. This would also help explain why anyone who asks to go to Gryffindor is placed there. Children are not exactly known for their bravery (reckless abandon, yes, bravery, no) though ambition, loyalty and a pursuit of knowledge are more common. This would leave a strong deficit in Gryffindor, so the hat would need to be more liberal with placements there. As stated in the video, just asking to be in the bravery house, especially when told something else by an authority figure, is a sign of bravery above those who did not, so they are at least somewhat brave by comparison. This means they are probably at least secondary Gryffindor candidates.

The universe is balanced, duhhhhh lololol

*fiction, not fact. Like the Bible but more relatable with better character development

They use affirmative action to make sure everything's ok with the DEI cult.

It's all in your head, may be referring to to horcrux residing in Harry's scar. That voldy thing was latently present and that's what the hat locked onto, though Harry had a mind of his own, as he clearly demonstrated.

Also, keep in mind Harry said "Not Slytherin" before hat even mentioned it.

I thought that was canon

@@Val.Kyrie. Hmmm....might be. I knew the idea was not original with me when I posted it.

Draco was a "poor little rich boy," who always had everything he needed, and always expected to be SUPERIOR, as a birthright. Hermione NEVER SLACKED! She knew she was smart, but slSHE EARNED HER SMARTS WITH FOCUS AND HARD WORK. Of course, she LOVED her work, but that didn't mean that it was easy.

consider all of what Draco actually did: manipulated people, utilized others for what he needed done, was forced to improvise and adapt his plans when they failed, found workarounds for what he had to do so as to not break rules all of that is cunning in many forms

Look up the light novel called hogwarts wisard in marvel the Mc is a true Slytherin.

He wanted in to any house thinking it would be Gryffindor it was Slytherin.

I think that have more with Rowling originally having planned to have another slythering be like a true slythering, and doing far more behind their backs, but ended up scrapping that idea, but having already written Draco with that in mind, hence he ended up not looking to slythering.

And I just imagined magical lice 😮😂

the hat eats the lice

im just imagining a Ravenclaw who is as dumb as a bag or rocks now....

That’s what I’ve thought, just didn’t remember if that was a movie thing or in the books as well

that will be wild

Me too. His actions at the end, letting Voldemort hug him yuck, so he could get to the last Horcrux, is what the true Heir to Gryffindor would do.

Correct. That is what they said in the video. It was Gryffindor's idea to combine all of their magics to make the hat.

"What house were you in?" "I was Hufflepuff-Ravenclaw, but my friend was double Gryffondor"

The hat will never admit a mistake, so the sorting stands😂

@@ninjalectualx should be like that tbh

But they valued blood purity and would if presented the opportunity, they would throw someone under the bus if it benefited them. Remember, in Hallows, they didn't listen to Malfoy anymore. It didn't suit them to have good connections with Draco any longer. It was either Crabbe or Goyle that told him that he and his father "were done".

Should have been Hufflepuff. They are coming relief.😂

They were from Vassal families to the Malfoys. Such students were something like servants to the scion of that Lord.

I think the hat only takes a person’s choice into consideration if it’s having difficulty since it admitted that Harry was difficult to sort since he could have fit anywhere. For example Snape could have tried asking the hat to take him into Gryffindor after Lily was sorted. (This was before Lupin and Peter became friends with James and Sirius, so the bullying would be two vs two.) Meanwhile Lily was canonically upset with her sorting because she knew Snape wanted Slytherin and she got sorted in less than a second. (Clearly the hat couldn’t care less what she thought.) Neville was sorted into Gryffindor despite begging to be placed in Hufflepuff. Same thing happened with Albus Severus Potter who begged to be placed in Gryffindor but was instead placed in Slytherin. A lot of people overestimate the hat taking a person’s choice into consideration. While it will know what they want, It only seems to act on it if it can’t make a choice on its own.

Your comment reminded me of a few things…. I am a Gryffindor through and through but when I was young…. When Harry Potter just came out I was afraid mentioning it to my friends because I was afraid being judged that I’m only a Gryffindor because of the book. But years passed and I took many quizzes for fun on many sites and I’m always Gryffindor and never any other houses. I didn’t take it seriously, you know it’s just for fun all these sites, but recently something happened and it got me thinking…. I’m diagnosed with depression and PTSD it sounded like something a Gryffindor would never go through because they’re so brave but looking back on my journey… the way I challenged myself and all difficulties, the way I held myself and my team when I worked as an advocate for mental health… if that wasn’t bravery I don’t know what that would be. How I functioned comparing to my teammate who’s a Hufflepuff was very different, she was always herself and I always put on a mask to perform my job, I thought it was a bad thing to mask myself but then I realized it was a sort of bravery reaction when me and my team needed. At my work, we have all Slytherin and Ravenclaw as well, majority ofc as a health care field were full of Ravenclaws but we do have a few Slytherins and Hufflepuff like I mention, I thought of how we all function and our working styles and it be came clear why were in the houses we are. Mind you, most of us are older and took the tests when Harry just came out and the thought of the houses we were sorted into when we were younger would have been the same house as we are now are amazing. Honestly I just discovered that there aren’t that many Gryffindors as I thought there would be. I thought everyone would love to be in the same house as the main characters but surprisingly I met a lot of Slytherin who are very proud to be in their house. I also have a thought…. What if the hat didn’t sort the houses for you based on your best attributes as we understand ? What if it sorts you as it see you’re fit into as in…. what house would you belong or not belong to the best…. That would explained a lot of cases…. I knew I belong to Gryffindor and not other houses that was one of the facts I’d feel completely out of place with my personality with other houses, even in real life I often hang out with a wilder group of people and I’ll be the mildest one but I feel belong more than when I’m with a bunch of Hufflepuffs and turn out to be the crazy one there. Imagine if Naville was sorted into other houses, his growth would be different. Peter needed Gryffindor not because he belong there but he won’t belong or fit in any other houses, he needed peers like true Gryffindors to shape him into a better person, sadly he chose a dark path. Hermione shouldn’t be in Ravenclaw because she already a bookworm but what she wanted the most was to learn everything about magical world… what good would that be if she stuck with Ravenclaw ? I believe in sorting hat… we can’t dismissed the fact that it gave Godric’s sword to Harry and Naville when they needed it most. The hat knows… not only your best but your worst characteristic so it knows what you need the most and how to gain it.

It depends on how you define "brave". Confidence and fearlessness are not the same as bravery. If that were the case Malfoy would have been in Gryffindor. IMHO bravery is being scared right down to your toenails about something that has to be done and having the courage to do it anyway. This is why Ron and Neville were sorted into Gryffindor.

I think you underestimate the amount of situations that require bravery that young people go through even through their teen years.

My Mum got sorted into Hufflepuff and was very pleased. I believe that the Pottermore test is essentially random. (One of the questions is literally "Left or Right?" Might as well just flip a coin!) I took the test twice, (years apart) and got two different results. First Slytherin, then Hufflepuff, neither of which is a good fit. (I'm not ambitious or hardworking!) I'm a Ravenclaw through and through.

Iris.holmes, your comment betrays your lack of understanding on what bravery is. Bravery isn't the lack of fear, it's courageous behavior. Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyways. Is Hermione scared of breaking rules? Yes. Does she break those rules? Yes. That's bravery by its very definition.

I believe it was the Architect of Hogwarts

Only works if he was initially friends with Lupin or Sirius. They were supposed to go alphabetically, as they did in the book, so James Potter would have been last to be sorted

No. James and Sirius were only with each other and Snape and Lily while on the train. (If any others were there, Harry would have noticed.) It’s possible that other students joined later but it’s pure speculation.) According to JK Rowling, Peter joined the marauders because Lupin asked Sirius and James to accept him into the group since he felt sorry for Peter due to Peter possibly not having friends. (Similar to How Neville became closer to Harry through Hermione. The first couple books were even building a sort of friendship between Hermione and Neville.)

but Pettigrew just didn't belong in any of the other houses and he may have had some slight potential for bravery but he never chose to be brave

Pettigrew was a coward who probably wished he was brave. That could be why the hat put him in Gryffindor.

@@stevegallo8483I can see it. It'd be like a coward buying a gun thinking they can stand and fight but when the time comes they run with everyone else

I appreciate that!