This Starfighter Fights 4th Gen Aircraft | F-104S-ASA War Thunder 

this starfighter eats 4th gens for breakfast

Chinese F-104G without flares and bad missiles at 10.7. Madness.

Man I am BEGGING you, please don’t let this topic die out. This has been such a horrible problem for the game for YEARS. 9.0 to 9.7 are almost completely unplayable, and have been since the introduction of the A-10 and Su-25. These 9.0-9.7 aircraft don’t even have a CONCEPT of what a flare even is, yet they fight all aspect 30G overload missiles, and 20g-25g overload RADAR missiles. I’m so so glad to see SOMEONE focusing on something important, instead of all of us wasting our time on a stupid fucking Armor plate for a single tank.

Yeah, decompression is much needed overall. Recently, i saw a video made by russian, he was flying j11, and then he saw, what his team is full of F4Ss, and he just said "ok im going to just rush the enemy team stupidly, because they are probably all flying F4Ss too". And he was playing really aggressive and no one could do anything about it. After match he said "And devs tell us we dont need 12.7". I believe everything was live commentary and not pre-recorded

I was legitimately speechless when I saw youtubers showing off the new jets before the update dropped and their BR was STILL 12.3. Every single time I bring out the Mirage F1, and since Gaijin refuses to get off their asses and put a max BR indicator somewhere on the UI, I have to open the scoreboard and scan for F-15/Su-27/J-11/JAS39/ to find out if I'm gonna have a worse time than usual. It was already well past time to decompress when F-16s and Mig-29s were the top dogs. Now, it's just obscenely bad. More people than ever before are playing this goddamn game, so the excuse that queue times would get too long is straight up bullshit. And it kills me when I see people just blithely asking when AIM-120 or R77 are coming and it's like...at 12.3!? are you fucking insane? Yeah, 11.0 and 11.3 planes weren't terrible enough to play; please make it worse.

How can Gaijin cite queue times whilst simultaneously having huge 16v16 matches that nobody likes?

Yall remember when this thing was like top 3 best jets in game

I've been complaining on this on the forums on how Gaijin just seem to hate Italy, we have the Re.2005, The G.91Y and YS, the F-104 ASA at unfair brs, the Re.2005 is the most uptiered plane in the game and it keeps going up because of bad players complaining about it and the aircraft barely has any 5.0 performance but it sits at 6.0 thanks to trash players, the G.91YS, idk wtf is Gaijin thinking, the YS very often has to fight supersonics and it doesn't have any flares, is flight performance is not good and the guns don't hit anything past 500m heavily uptiered planes in the Italian tech tree, and then you have the F-104 ASA fighting 12.3s all the fucking time.

I love the F-104 since the start, But it's gotten to a point where I just can't use it anymore Glad this is starting to get more attention, And It feels like the ASA Radar is broken too, Gaijin should look back into the starfighters and fix/downbr them

Toptier isnt the only issue but yeah it sure is terribly compressed. Su27/F15/Gripen at 12.3 is something i'll never understand, but we need to do something about 8.3 and 8.7 getting steamrolled every game by F-104As and other planes they simply cant touch.

I see Italian F-104, I subscribe. Great video man and good luck for 15k!

There is something funny and nostalgic about hearing that BR compression is an issue and remembering the same stuff being talked about back when the Hunter F1 was added... I'm getting old, just like war thunder, but like me, War Thunder just cant bother fixing some issues with itself :D

If I feel bad for the f4S’s I go against, but those f104s are barely considered real players.

The whole update should've released at13.0, All F-15s, Su-27s and Gripens to 13.0.. All F-16s and MiG-29s to 12.7 and 12.3 so 11.0 is actually playable again, dont forget japan still has the worst performing F-4E Phantom fighting the best turning F-16s and MiG-29s.

Hope you get better Lee!

My man's got the coof again!

My favorite F104, I have great stats in it. Long time ago, before contrails have been added ;) I always dropped from space got 4 kills 😂

If you reduce BR matchmaking range to 0.7, you solve 95% of Air's problems with compression. The worst problems are precisely at the 1.0 range. Most 0.7 uptiers are doable, if not easily playable...

oh yes i'm totally ready to fight fox3 at 12.7

They need to make it so you only face 0.4 above/below your BR instead of 1.0

Maybe a BR range change could help, from "+/-1.0" to only "+/- 0.4" from rank 6, but only in air so it would not effect CAS planes in mixed battles, and maybe decrease the max player numbers to 10 vs 10; so top Air RB wont look like rank 1 AB with AAMs?

F104s are some of my favorite planes. Danger pencils

The F-104 was a space plane far ahead of its time. In war thunder warbirds are pretty common seen in the highest tiers after all.

They could give it aspide mk2 to F104 asa/m but not really sure if they used them

the 104 asa is. really bad for this honestly, only other thing that comes close is the F1 imo in terms of br compression depression - fights 9Ls and R60Ms every game without countermeasures - bad flight performance against stuff it sees, at leas the f104 can run away from things a bit - loses energy faster than the viggen loses fuel i'd rather be in a Crusader

Ah man dude you got me sick now 😂😂😂

Yeah its insane i think all the 9ms jets should go up to 13.5 and all the 9l jets 12.0 9ls isnt bad but... again f16s and migs against 11.0 would suck

For some vehicles a +/- 0.7 BR spread would be perfect. So simple.

"Que times " my a.. .Its all about frustrating players in buying they stupid premium vehicles of 60-70$. If people will stop buying those prem vehicles,i bet gaijin will consider decompressing.Not sure since they will make a sale on premium time. Another "touch the grass" campaign is in order.

Cries in Italian F104S TAF

As an FYI there are several real life accounts of 104's beating F-15's in simulated fights

I really want to grind the Italian air as I find it quite interesting and would be good for my ground RB line up, but this video shows why I don’t want to…

I cannot wait for AMRAAM F-15 vs F-104.

maybe if they inplement decompresion. some jets can move up and get better weaponary like Q5A and L. they could get missiles and countermeasures or f111 get some better missiles at a higher BR

Well it’s historically accurate.

It is truly sad that starfighters are done dirty. I love these things

Psst don't say that the holy bugged load out of the S.asa exist. they are listening

Cl13b Mk6 might be a good contender for the jet suffering from compression the most

Its 90 percent what missile you ve got at top tier 😊

Grinding the ASA right now and its just straight pain, endless bottom BR matches, the moment i have the ADF unlocked i will never touch this junk again until BR fixes are added.

BR compression is not an issue, its a goal to drive premium sales. Queue times are important but they also are convenient scapegoat.

The dumbest aspect of this plane is the fact it LOSES 2 weapon pylons for zero reason

This is an issue that old airframes with modern weapons are going to face, they are never going to be that good. F-4EJ Kai struggles and the eventual F-4F Ice will struggle as well.

The matchmaker is terrible but I still enjoy it the most out of any Italy jet above Rank 6. My favored tactic is to stay in level flight at the start, and then climb vertically up to altitude to end up above people and dropping 9Ls on them from 3-4km. They're not 9Ms, but if I pick targets right it'll usually net a kill or two before I transition to basically just baiting head-ons for the rest of the match. As for the compression, it's a bit hilarious how glaring the issue is, even just looking at the Italian tech tree. The S.ASSY is underperforming, so it should maybe go down, but then it ends up the _same BR_ as the base 104S, which is much worse (as an airframe that relies on its kit with a much worse kit). So then maybe the argument is to move the 104S down as well (I find it's... okay), but then it's the same BR as the 104G, which again is _obviously_ a worse jet. That whole leapfrogging effect is literally what compression is, though, so there's nothing new. In a good world, I think the S.ASA would be two BR steps above the S, but right now there's almost an argument for them to be the same BR? How is that acceptable?

People who say that they have no problem beating 12.3s in their 11.3 are missing the point aa always. I once beat an Su-27 in a dogfight with an F-4J, does that mean it's fine that they regularly see each other in the matchmaker when one plane is objectively better in every way?

Its so funny that the F104 is a horrific example of BR compression *on both ends*. The F104A is a disgusting monster which has been ruining 8.3, 8.7 (and honestly to an extent 9.3) lobbies for a while now, and then conversely this starfighter gets squeezed in to what is basically modern day air combat, truly terrible.

Screw moving stuff the only thing needed is changing matchmaking to +-0.7 instead of +-1

Aspide my beloved…

They wont decompress until ground RB BRs are seperate from ARB. They wont make it so that you cannot birng your 13.3 F-16C intro a ground RB with a BR cap of 12.7

2:02 Que times at top tier RB is pretty fast. There’s just allot of wallet warriors so 🤷🏼‍♂️ but for props i remember it being rlly rlly slow at times and rlly fast at others. Just rlly inconsistent tbh

G'day Lee, Ohh how I really want to enjoy the Aeritalia F-104S.ASA but its shortcomings thanks to BR compression makes me want to drink bleach... Decompression would be amazing & hell it definitely could work even if the devs cry about queue times (bruh 4 mins ain't bad for waiting for a match for it's what I often down in NF on a daily basis while AF at any BR is generally sub a min). On a sidenote what's a chance of making a video on another mildly ehh 11.3? The Dassault Mirage F1CT a rather dull aircraft imo being an attacker classed as a fighter & rather gimped compared to the fighter models of said mirage.

Could you do a video on the texh tree mirage f1? Its the first near top tier i have grinded to and wanna know how it is

4 km is about right for ACM or you'd be locking onto everything the radar beam touches but the aircraft you're dogfighting. Also the American F-104s need to go up, too.

Can you make a video on wherher the F-15C should get its HMD when added or not? I've had a few debates with other people and want to get some opinions from someone who actually knows what they are talking about

It should be a 12.3 and future 12.7 because it has the AN/ALQ-73. Gaijin just has yet to give it functionality. In short, it uses a radar jammer to avoid being hit by radar missiles. It should be a king at high altitude. (Kinda bullsh*t that they gave it almost no RWR functionality since it historically had no RWR, but didn't give it the ECM that was put in place of the RWR.)

…or the Lightning II, that can not outclimb mig-19s, and has to face all aspect slinging groundpounders without any flares.

Happy someone else is bringing this up, there is no understanding or sympathy I can give Gaijin. Problems like this are blatant, common, and mandatory to suffer through. Gaijin will continue to give excuses as they pretend like this isn't some shitty way to entice people to buy top tier premiums to skip these said problems and get right to the good stuff. They are liars, braggarts, and plain outright greedy! No SYMPATHY, ONLY RESULTS! Show us how much YOU care about YOUR game Gaijin.

What do you think of the EJ Kai at 11.7 or the JA37D ar 11.3

currently suffering with the f104s TAF and its so bad, most reliable thing to do is bring rockets and 4 aim9's and hope you make it

Excuse me but how could you use the aspide with the gun mounted? If you use Aspide you shouldn’t have the gun since is occupied by the guiding computer

Now the ASA can carry vulcan with aspides too?

How is the f-104asa carrying a gun with radar missiles? I thought it can only be one or the other.

Speaking of the Italians, I’m still baffled as to why the sluggish, Korean War era Saggitario and Ariete are 9.0 and 9.3. It’s so slow to get up to speed and easy to lose it that it feels like flying a prop vs jets a lot of the time.

Ima bout to get this jet and I’m abt to die

Had my fill of this BS and switched to DCS about a month ago, best move I've made since downloading Warblunder 7 or 8 years ago.

The fact the RWR doesn't even work...

2:06 Queues on SA servers suck. It takes at least 3 minutes to get a match in the middle of a weekday. And around a minute on weekends. You can only get quick queues in the afternoons and evenings. This isn't to say BR decompression shouldn't happen. Just that bad queue times are real

gaijin't D:

I play war thunder for the ASA and the us f104. I think the only thing i personally want as a f104 asa enjoyer is rwr that fucking works, like really no proper rwr for a jet that retired in 04? Bruh

The F-104ASA is actually pretty good in Sim battles, when it is at a lower br and can be the max br of the brackets. Other than that its a straight downgrade to the 104S

I don't know why they don't lower the BR in which you can be up or down tiered. Between 10.3 and 11.3 it's absolute hell in anything but the meta planes, recently i've been trying to play the F4E but it's next to impossible when just 0.3 BR higher than you are planes that are faster, have massively better radars and much better missiles... It's very quickly becoming no fun to play the game

What happened to “it works for me”

real shit

General Lee, what do content creators do about this problem? They don't listen to us regular players. Why in the world is this still a thing? How often have you told them to change it?

Its like the mig 21 lazur m

maybe this is just me being bad but the Japanese f-104J has been pretty miserable to play no counter measures at 10.3

“aspide”

The ASA is unfair compared to F15s and Jas39s, they should move the F104 to 12.7

03:44 f4s is fine, even for inexperienced players, just watch a couple vids learn how radar works you are set. The gameplay loop of f4s is much much simpler than even a prop aircraft you just got to learn it which is just 2 videos.

Meanwhile F-4F is 11.0 in sim battles while F-4E is 10.7, good luck playing f-4f against gripens, f-16s and f-15s (sim bracket for 11.0 is 11.0-12.3)

When I load into some games in 11.3 planes. If I see any 12.0> on my team I simply leave and take the crew lock.

For a war thunder veteran like me its pretty hard playing with good jets like mig-23ml when im full up tier I cant even start imagining how it is playing with a brick which aint faster or more maneuverable... Its a friggin game not real life it should be much more fair and balanced the BRs should reach as high as 13+ and in the future it must go above that!!! God damn snail deserves a boycott bigger than the last one

More gamemodes

Thats just like the F-86 fighting the 9.3 F-104 it shouldn't even happen but that's how fucking horrible it is from 8.7 all the way to the top.

gaijin is so complicit with there game it makes me sick, 10 years... still playing the same gamemodes and thats not even touching on br compression , how hard is it with the resources available to gaijin to give us something new or just even updated

feed me harder battles

wassup lee?

Decompression never fixed anything and won`t ever, the same way bigger maps doesn`t solve anything for Ground or Air RB. What Gaijin should do and should have done years ago is rethinking their entire gameplay, match structure etc. etc. Look at the early footage and gameplay of Warframe and compare it to what is going on now with this game, then you know what is possible and what you should expect from a game growing and evolving over years and years. Why don`t we have a persistent war as they once tried? Something like Foxhole or Planetside but in WarThunder. Why aren`t there proper PvE modes, actually good ones. A entire dynamic campaign? As far as I am concerned WarThunder is in maintenance mode for quite a while and the money players spent is thunneled into new projects like Crossout, Enlisted, Modern Warships etc.

I think B.R compression, while still bad, it's at the best state in years, especially at top tier. Most 11.3 fighters (notice "figthers") are passable enough and/or have some advantages you can exploit.

ASA Should be 11.0, 104S 10.7 and italian (not the Chinese or german) 104G 10.3

br compression is better but still horrible we should at least be at 13.0 or 13.3 space out 9.0s seeing aim 9L and r-60mk and 9.3 also space from all aspect missiles. Also 11.3 from 12.3 . Like i want to play the mig-19 but it was not fun at all down teirs you shit on everyone and up teirs you get shit on.i played i a cuple times last 3 weeks mostly up teirs. i can say this for all 9.3s i wish i can go back to the days where mig 19 was top dog

My mig-23 can destroy anything, be it f-16 or f-15,mig-29 or su-27, not even gripen is safe from me 💀

Bro the decals 😐

f104a

Where f-15

Once again, hearing leet top tier players complain that they can "only" get 2-3 kills per match due to some made up fantasy BR issue just makes me mad. Jesus Christ dude, not everyone is an uber pilot.

I also like (no) how i seemingly get an 11.3 match in an F4S (my team is all 11.3) but then the enemy f16 and mig 29 show up. stop fucking lying gaijin, your matchmaking is trash either way. i got a burnout from completing the winter event in an F4S playing those top tier games. the 9.0-9.7 uptier is tough yet still playable, the planes there can still compete in some characteristics even without flares/good missiles, it's a skill requirement still, while in 11.3 uptier your result is decided by pure luck, because jets in 12.0-12.3 are better in all aspects (radar, flight model, weaponry). And with that, you really need to rely on the enemy's misplays or situations to do your kills. so yeah, you get a couple of kills if you're lucky, then you most likely get rinsed. the whole experience. snail, fix the fucking game, it's become a torture simulator, not a military one.

The f104 asa m had aim 120 if i remember correctly

first

Excuse 13.3 you must want que times to go to 1 hour plus 12.7 decomp would be fine