This Video DESTROYS the Gap Theory | Ken Ham 

Evolution is astonishing too - the wonder of nature developing over billions of years. It also has the advantage of being true!

@@Faust2Dr Thats like taking all the pieces of a watch and shaking up in a bag and waiting for time to put it together and make it into watch! A watch needs a watch maker. God spoke the world into existence by his almighty power and took the dust of the earth and formed man then he breathed life into him. Check what science says about the chemical composition of our bodies and see it is the same as the dirt! And he made everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th to give us our week as he doesn't operated in time, he made it for us. He is eternal and decides how everything would be and his science does not show this earth as being more than 6000 years old or that man has evolved for he keeps repeating the same old mistakes over and over again through civilization until he destroys it. We are at that point again where only a Red Sea miracle will save the planet and change culture to put us back on the right track. Man without God is hopeless, just wicked and greedy. We were made to worship God and if we don't we worship ourselves or money, or fame and power or every other vise that satin leads you to believe will make you happy and successful. If you come to the end of that and loose your own soul what have you gained? You will be separated from God forever in torment, just as the devil wants for you... to be with him forever and that won't be pleasant. So ask God to make himself and the truth known to you and you will be surprised at how he does it! Jesus is the light of the world and if you follow him you won't walk in darkness but have the light of life in you to guide you to eternity with him in a new kingdom the way God designed it before the fall of man. Blessings to you.

@Dr Considering it aledgedly takes place over billions of years, plus the relative short lifespans of humans, eyewinesses are by necesity, few and far between, making the aledged requirment of direct observationrequired by scientic endeavor impssible.

@@mrtadreamer - are you saying something can only be true or real if it can be observed by humans? Some things take time, but are still real.

@mrtadreamer direct observation is in no way a requirement of science. Most science doesn't involve a direct observation.

If he was truly after truth he would honestly and without bias compare truthfully both Young Earth Creationism and The Gap Theory in a truthful way investigating which one is correct,but he distorts the truth about the Gap Theory.He is too biased toward YEC because he has invested so many years to it.

@@lionzion1879 what has he said that makes him a con artist, or are you just making a Boogie man out of him?

@@lionzion1879 it's hard to understand because you're not explaining it you're too vague what specify did he claim that makes him a con artist give at least one thing please

@@lionzion1879 Apparently, science is filled with conmen and scams but that's the thing. You don't like to talk about it. Ken Ham in the context of this video discussed the gap theory in this video and how it doesn't work with the bible. He doesn't need to show any evidence of that to you.

@@MineABear saying with confidence that the oldest evidence we have is from trees dating back 4000 years. Claiming the earth is 6000 years old. This guy is ignoring the evidence that typically surpassed that time frame.

Incorrect, wo entropy you can have no chemical or physical processes. No breathing, no digestion, no movement of any sort..

No atrophy🙌

It wasn't about no entropy, it was about that God evidently miraculously preserved anything that didn't need to exhibit entropy (prevented any injuries or disease, etc. and may have preserved manmade objects if we had stayed unfallen long enough to make any, like the sandals in the 40 years wandering), and removed that effect at the Fall (thus allowing for natural evils, etc.).

@@logicianbones That's a MUCH better way to state it. All 4 laws of classical thermodynamics were in effect in the garden (0,1,2 and 3); otherwise life is impossible. That God continually sustained and supernaturally fixed the errors, now we're in full agreement. Unfortunately, what was said was sloppy and to someone who has actually worked with the equations of thermodynamics, absurd.

Yes, but time doesn’t exist in the spirit realm where YHVH incarnate in Christ and the holy angels dwell, and the other spirit beings that dwell there. YHVH created time, matter and space for this physical world alone. Spirit beings are not bound to the physical laws of this world, only the creatures YHVH made to live on Earth are bound to the physical laws of this physical realm. We don’t understand how God can reveal Himself to us as Father, Son, and Spirit, and yet also say that He is only one God, because we have no experience with beings from the spiritual realm, as we are bound to this physical world as long as we’re in these flesh bodies, and this is where some believers in Christ become conflicted with the triune nature of YHVH, because His nature, as an eternal spirit being, is beyond anything we’ve experienced on earth. We are made in God’s image, triune beings who are body, sòuI, and spirit in one person, but we can’t separate our body from our sòuI, from our spirit. Since we can’t separate the parts that we consist of, body, sòuI, and spirit, and we don’t have the power of omnipresence, being multiple places at once, like YHVH can, then we have a hard time rationalizing how YHVH can be in the spirit realm, and on the earth at the same time, like He was in Genesis 19, and like He was when He was incarnate in Christ, and other times in scripture, because it’s beyond our finite understanding. It’s like people who have had supernatural experiences with ghosts, or other paranormal experiences, and people who have never experienced those things, nor have they known anyone who has had paranormal experiences, they often have a difficult time believing the stories those who have had paranormal experiences share with others. However, the people who have had supernatural, or paranormal, experiences will never forget it, and they don’t need anyone to believe them, because they know what they saw. If you look at how scripture describes our physical world, you understand that the spirit world is much larger and all around us, but YHVH has hidden it from our eyes for the most part. According to scripture, those invisible spirits that are all around us, they also watch us. Sometimes they try to engage with humans, but God’s Word says we are not to try to communicate with the spirits beyond the veil, because there’s malevolent spirits who deceive humans into thinking they are “angels of light”. This is why we run from the occuIt, because it’s wicked in God’s eyes. The beings across the veil also know who belongs to YHVH through Christ, and who doesn’t.

God exists outside of time, there is no 'millions of years' anywhere in existence.

@Redeemed at YHVH….No we have to understand the difference between the millions of years that are being touted versus the Bible and the literal thousands of years when man has been on earth. We don’t have to know about time in another realm. Just that God created the earth in 6 literal 24 hour days with humans, animals, birds etc. That is the argument…creation or evolution. It can only be creation and a young earth.

@@Desert-edDavehe just "poofed" into existance :-)

@@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ the same could've claimed by schizophrenics. Have you any idea where YHWH originated, that supposed god was one of near hundred sons of El, theSun god, and Ashera the moon goddess, the brother Of Yam and Baal among others all.worshipped as gods before the Hebrews became monotheist, YHWH was also called "Lord" he was polytheistic Hebrews god of storms and war, he was morphed into El be moving Elohim plural of El, it's claimed he had an affair with Ashera his mother to do so, your early as atheist as I am, there are thousands of gods worshipped today by millions, that you deny exists, and with no more evidence that they don't exist than you have of the one you claim exist, I just refuse to.accept because you have no evidence to show your believed god exists one more god than you do.

Do what no one has ever done, PROVE IT

@Tuokool nothing would convince you against what you ARE indoctrinated to believe, not even evidence, I'm well aware of that, you say your not indoctrinated, yet who told you gods existed in the first instance, and how come out of all the supposed gods to believe in you accept the one of your culture. You accuse me of saying your indoctrinated while with usual evangelical fundamentalist hypocrisy and double standards you claim to know I'm angry, and lack faith in everything,. If any god was proven to exist I would not need to be forced to accept it, I would accept that irrefutable evidence, that's all.any believer has ever asked you claimants for, and it's something you have never delivered. How many millions have you Christians killed in attempting to force all to believe in your supposed god. Again you claiming and other atheist assert something came from nothing, I have never made such a claim and no of no other atheist that has, the only ones I know of that make such a stupid claim are you theist nutters, "everything had an origin but my believed in god, special pleading " and never an iota of evidence to back your ridiculous claim. If any god was proven to exist it would be common global knowledge. If you were really interested in gaining knowledge of where every thing came from how about asking cosmologist, astrophysicist, botanist, biologist, bio chemist and other experts in that field, instead of swallowing what your uneducated charlatan teachers like your pastors and pseudo scientific nutters like Ham feed you with and which you readily like the gullible until you are swallow up. Atheism is a simple answer to a simple question, it's not an ideology, a religion, a belief system, it's merely a statement that one does not accept theist claims of their gods existing, theist claim,allege, assert , " MyGod exist" an atheist is merely one that responds " Ido not believe you" ,nothing else can be attributed to any atheist.

@lstill you can give no demonstrable evidence for this god. you can only speak of a personal experience

@TuokoolYou do not knwow what you are talking about. 1. the analogy you are talking about (watchmaker analogy) was debunked years ago. It does not explain the existance of our universe. 2. that "nothing can become something" is a strawman argument. 3. and for god to be true we need demonstrable evidence that there is evidence for such a thing to exist And to this day, there is 0.0 evidence. And if you can find any, congratualtions you can become a Nobel price winner (Not)

Wanna have fun with evolutionists? Have them explain the existence of sheep! It is a studied, proven fact that without protection and care, sheep cannot survive. So, how did they come to be without us being at a level of intelligence to understand their benefit to us, causing us to farm them? Seriously, have them research and explain how sheep evolved. It's impossible without a Creator and direct placement under a pre-established knowledge.

Speaks of evening & morning & day one, day 2, each differentiated from the other. Plain enough

Really? Lot's wife BECAME(hayah) a pillar of salt. And the earth BECAME(hayah) without form and void.

Or you can believe the lies that nasa told you

Everyone has been indoctrinated into believing the Earth is a ball that moves and spins. It is not what the scriptures teach.

For reference in your future discussions, when reading Genesis chapter 1 read the 1st 5 verses all together and the 5th verse ties the 1st 4 verses together. The real nail in the coffin for that is the verses in Exodus 20:8-11. The oldest man only lived to be 969 years old. That eliminates the possibility other scripture some folks often reference a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day to God. If that is read in context these reference the level of patience God has for His creation of human beings and some in their defiance of Him.

@oldtimerlee8820 Now you are manipulated by this individual...

I was shocked to find out that my father believed in the Gap Theory, when I was 50 I found out!

@@ancataut7891 The word 'manipulation' doesn't mean what you think it does. Grab a dictionary and learn the words before trying to use them.

Very good point! The aboriginal people have been a functioning and coherent group for tens of thousands of years. Are they lying Ken? Or are you just full of it?!!! (PS. We know the answer!)

This isn't science. This is people twisting facts to promote their agenda.

You have got to be kidding.

@@Flintlock1776 Exemplifying what a trite response is.

And so it does with the bible continually proven wrong and believers becoming more and more disassociated with reality.

@_Robot Considering that although truth can be suprressed, but cannot be destroyed, all one needs to do, and wait the truch to ptove unself, because it will. No need for aguments. Debates or chalenging one another.

@@mrtadreamer Good luck with that. How long you thinking of growing your beard?

Remember the atheist formula: insult God insult Christians insult Christianity = they win the argument. Makes zero sense. Moist Robot is a regular atheist.

It does prevail but you won't find it here.

Ken Ham and others are going to be in trouble.

@@abelcainsbrother BIG trouble!

@@SenhorTudo The bible warns about adding or taking away from the word of God.My conscience is clear as a Christian that believes the Gap Theory is the true and only correct biblical interpretation when it comes to creationism. Day Age old earth creationism and Theistic Evolution are wrong too.

We don't know yet. We do know several possible models of distant starlight have not been disproven, like Dr. Russel Humphreys' time dilation model, which enjoys a lot of support. It also uses Earth reference frame language so even without time dilation there's a "time zones" model also mentioned in their Answers book IIRC that would have more distant galaxies made earlier in their own reference frame but Earth's frame wouldn't consider them "now" until their light reaches Earth, so basically God hadn't yet created closer in yet.

God stretched out the heavens after he created the light.

@@dontaylor1701 Are you being sarcastic? Or do you think the Andromeda Galaxy was only a few 1000 light-years away when it was created?

@@mashah1085 Your question is for God, not me. I am no authority and neither are you. Right? Man likes to be their own authority and it leads them to error.

@@dontaylor1701 Then why did you post a response then when questioned on it, decide to dodge?

Problem is there's no evidence for any of that. Creating miraculously is also just like him (water to wine, feeding of the thousands, etc.). How do you know which "like him" to apply? Well, we do -- the one he SAID.

The light from distant stars is billions of years old. The Bible refers to ancient civilizations. It took millions of years for the elements to make life to be available for the creation of man. It wasnt until 10 to the minus 42 seconds that it was cool enough for sub atomic particles to bond to begin to form elements following the Event of God's beginning of time. God took every subatomic particle that He created and compressed them into a sphere the size of a period and created the events that was so controlled by Him that the elements could form over time. It's easy to say He blinked and everything was here, but then no trace of Himself for man to discover and give Him the glory. His eternal nature is displayed in His creation.

@@logicianbones Look up the term "without form and void" in the Bible. It is used in Gen 1:2 and Jer 4:23. God chose to use that term in Jer 4:23 as a cross reference verse to Gen 1:2. Jer 4:23 the earth is "without form and void" following a divine judgement from God. God did not create the earth without form and void, that is ridiculous. I do not believe that there is a gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 to support the "science falsely so-called" camps claims of millions and billions of years. The gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 could have been 5 minutes or an extremely long time but the fact remains that the term "without form and void" is a Bible term used following judgement. He learn more about creation from the book of Job and Psalms than we do in Genesis. For example in Job 38 the angels where there shouting for joy when Jesus Christ was creating the universe.

​@lwm20 if something is created, that means if is fully functional, and done, right? So yes, between God's original creation of earth and it becoming formless and void, something happened to change that fully functioning state. Satan was cast down to earth and given dominion of earth and all that was upon it. Also says that Satan ruled over the kingdoms on earth. All that happened befoee verse 2 and before God introduced man as we know it

Why are you bothered by a person believing in reality?

@@avishevin1976 Nothing has been here for 75 thousand years! I know about reality!

@@melvinhunt6976 You are contradicting yourself. The Earth alone is a few billion years old at this point.

@@avishevin1976 the earth is somewhere around 8000 years old! Possibly 10,000 !

@@melvinhunt6976 Why are you bothered by the notion that the Earth is older than a number that is never mentioned by your Bible?

We Do know between gen 1:1 and verse 2, the world went from a fully created complete planet to one tha5 was in disarray . Why? Satan was there and destroyed the earth as he'd been cast down and given dominion over the earth and all that was there. This also is when the pyramids and other structures were built By Satan, his angels, and the kingdoms on the earth.

@@TicManFlorida Your putting your own thoughts in the Bible based on nothing.

I agree. God bless you

Why can we only guess, when God told us and science supports YE? Also people should stop calling nature a "book". Humans interpret nature, it doesn't literally speak. That's reification fallacy. It "declares" (poetically) the glory of God, but it doesn't tell you how old it is (but logic does strongly suggest it's young based on many scientific evidences).

Top man !

Accusations of indoctrination by someone who believes that the earth was created in 6 days, 6,000 years ago, and that serpents talk. That's cute.

@@Flintlock1776 ask God to show you the truth yourself and see what happens!

@@Flintlock1776 Accusations of indoctrination by someone who believes that the earth's life evolved while the moon got chaotically captured close resulting in massive deadly tides and only gradually moved out to its current location, and thinks he is a talking ape, and believes in talking parrots he imitates. That's cute.

@@aprilmcgeown2253 It's going to take more than an incantation and a Bronze Age deity to convince me that something demonstrably false is actually true because a 2000 year old myth and a youtube preacher says it is.

Do you know the meaning of the word truth?! What about manipulation and its components?

Not "forgets", knows it's debunked. They cover all of that on their site. This is just one short video about one topic.

@@logicianbones No. It's not debunked at all.

@@logicianbones The reality can't be debunked... All he does is pure manipulation and lies, wake up to reality! Read any book about manipulation and see for yourself!

However, we are still in the seventh day

"Somehow they ignore Exodus 20:11." What do you mean?

@@marcj3682I would be more impressed by Exodus 19: 11: “And by the third day let them be ready; for on the third day, the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai, before the eyes of all the people.” Yeah. That didn’t happen. Conveniently, the Lord didn’t come down, but instructed that only Moses and Aaron, should come up to make their way to the Lord, but not the priests and the people, lest the Lord come upon them “suddenly.” Whatever that means. Sounds ominous. Anyway, Moses went down and told them some stuff. As, the Church Lady used to say, “HOW CONVENIENT!!!”

⁠ Exodus 19:16-20 clearly states that he did. It caused them to tremble.

​@@davidt51 That's debunked. 7th day was a Sabbath, God rested from work, but Jesus says he's working and has been until now. The argument is made by twisting a passage in Hebrews and the fact that Genesis doesn't say the seventh day ended, but that's a crazy standard as if it did, then you would think we're in the 8th day. Do you really want the Bible littered with "Oh by the way, that day ended, and then so did the next day" for every 24-hour period over 4000 years? Think it through...

He teaches that light was created in transit , and and the physics of the universe changed after the fall , and the flood . He only uses science when it supports his position, but when it doesn’t it’s man’s fallible ideas.

What about it?

Why was the herb yielding seed in the ground if it wasn't there before the first major deluge? This is not an argument, just an honest question. I am a believer and do not think the gap theory discredits anything in the Bible.

Planetary distances were originally calculated using AU (astronomical Units). This was the distance from sun to Earth. Although no one know exactly how far this distance was, they were able to use it as a standard reference distance. Saturn, for example, is 9.5 AU - 9 and a half times further from the sun than Earth. You can now calculate the distance from Earth to the sun pretty easily using Newton's gravity equation (F=Gm1*m2/d^2). The only missing piece was the gravitational constant (G). This was discovered by Cavendish in 1797. There's no "control" here. It's all very well documented.

@@robertfleischmann4119 Control is in his head...

And it wasn’t created on day it was there on day 1. Plants and vegetation released oxygen in the atmosphere and now on day 4 the sun moon and stars are now visible distinct objects, and are for animals and humans to use as time markers to use as days seasons and years.

The Hebrew word create(bara) is only used three times. Day 1 ALL physical matter. Day 5 soulish (nephesh) creatures,and day 6 Humans (spiritual beings).

@@Terrylb285 i do not think that is what it says

@@rhovey1059 the word create is not used , but the phrase (let there be). The frame of reference in genesis is from the viewpoint of an observer on the surface of the planet looking to the heavens. And the phrase ( God made ) two great lights is used in the Hebrew form past tense.

@@Terrylb285 the phrase , “God made” would always would always be past tense being that make is past tense of “to make.” If the phrase were intended to refer something previously made before it was referenced, then the pluperfect tense (God had made) would have been used.

Love this man & others like him i thank God for them God is great, God is good.

Where did he get his doctorate from, a joke shop, it's certainly not from any universally acreditted educational establishment.

@@derekardito2032 Ken Ham obviously cut his doctorate from a cereal box

Ken Ham convinced me bible believers are deluded.

Millions of Christians do believe the Bible without ignoring scientific realities.

Go buy another Nasa shirt though

Why should I *believe* the Bible when I can have a world view that is based entirely on falsifiable evidence?

Gap theorists believe the bible and they are Christians too.

@RagnarWarteeth very simple there is no such timeline.

I agree. I lean towards god created them before day 1. As said in job when god laid the foundations of the earth the angels sang. But answers in genesis says they were created between day 1-3. Which directly contradicts the verse in job.

@@RagnarWarteethi also ment that there are no such things as "angels". It is all a fantasy (god, heaven and hell)

@@davidpiot8098 Did anyone ask you?

@@friedvegetables3455 Well the original post asked for an opinion. So i gave my opinion.

As a biblical literalist, do you believe the earth is flat with a dome above it?

@@Moist._Robot No I do not!

@@debbiewareing1178 But the bible says it is. How do you decide which bits to take seriously?

@@Moist._Robot The bible is full of allegorical statements, poetic language, hyperbole, symbolism etc! In the same way a person studies literature one can grasp the difference quite easy, even with just a GCSE! Take in the context and read connecting passages, it really isn’t difficult, but time consuming due to the quantity of text.

@@debbiewareing1178 But how do you know which is which? It leaves it open to misinterpretation doesn’t it?

If years had been significantly different, the Earth would need a faster or slower rotation speed, so either it would gradually fly away from the sun, fall into the sun, or would need to be orbiting further out (colder) or further in (warmer). There's zero evidence of any of that, obviously. It doesn't say when hell was made, possibly as late as the first death of someone unsaved or a demon imprisoned possibly. Though God foreknew the need for it.

There’s this book called the Book of Enoch. It’s in the Ethiopian Bible. In the second part of that book, it talks all about the science of God. It says that a year is 364 days. There’s available versions online, you can google it if you want to (I think you would be interested).It’s super insightful into understanding the more technical questions, like about the sun and its positions, and other sciences; where people go when they die (before we all stand before God) and understanding the events of Genesis with much greater detail.

God didn't create Hell Satan did . And God doesn't send anyone to Hell Satan takes them there after they have rejected God . God tries to prevent that happening by persuading us to be closer to Him. If He fails then we go to Hell !

And where exactly did God say the earth is only thousands of years old?

It may be an affront to the Bible, but the facts tell a different story.

​@@scienceandbibleresearchIt is there by implication, if you use the chronology of of Genesis up to Abraham and then determine when various kingdoms and empires existed. You come up with a general timeframe of 6,000 to 10,000 years. Just because the Bible doesn't explicitly state it doesn't mean it's not there

@@timtherrien7843: It’s not there by implication either. And they’re called genealogies not chronologies; completely different purpose. Stop adding to God’s word.

@@scienceandbibleresearch In the 17th century, Ireland's Archbishop James Ussher reconstructed the genealogy of biblical figures and declared that Earth was created in 4004 B.C. Yes, it does imply it.

And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth." (Genesis 1:28, ESV) It doesn’t say “replenish”, it says “fill the earth”.

Replenish = KJV old English for fill. Yes, it's confusing but the "re" suffix for them didn't mean "fill again." Old translations need to be understood in the ways language worked at the time. It doesn't take on the new "refill" meaning of the word; that developed later.

KJV translators could hardly have known the word would change meaning and confuse moderns. And gap "theorists" using that are committing the anachronism fallacy.

@anbones You're wrong! Gap theorists are correct. They can prove the KJV translaters knew the difference between fill and refill and they used refill just like after Noah's flood.

...because there is a chap on RU-vid called "Jon Levi". He shows massive amounts of evidence of the 1000 years of Christ, mate. Delete this comment if you will. Most christians do.

No. That 1,000 years is the first resurrection and that little season is the resurrection of the unjust of everyone who has ever lived and died. This comes after Rev ch 19 where all mortal life is destroyed from the face of the earth by the army of God. So I can be certain that this hasn’t occurred yet.

The plants were indeed buried by floods, which happened on occasion, but that lends zero credibility to the mythological deluge

@@Charlie94781 the Bible is about one thing, Jesus Christ, from the very first letter to the very last letter. when you take the first letter and the last letter and put them together it spells SON, which is Jesus Christ, the only son of God. when you try to read in-between the lines or verses you only start give glory to some one other. But I don't argue about things that does not even matter. I am here and now, I gave my life to Jesus Christ to be in service to my fellow man,

The Bible does not support any of that.

@@jannaswanson271 The Bible is the best source of evidence for a young earth.

@@jannaswanson271 - Of course there is no reference to black holes and red-shift in the Bible. I think the point here is that "science" took a left-turn in the early 1900's with red-shift discoveries and subsequent interpretations of "expanding universe" theories. Ever since the creation of Big-Bang cosmology, we've drifted further away from biblical accounts in favor of a naturalistic explanation of creation. The Big-Bang Theory topples like a house of cards if red-shift is NOT caused by Doppler effect. It might simply be gravitational distortions as @Jungle Jargon mentioned. Although we may never fully understand how, when the universe was created, I am much more inclined to believe the Bible than some pieced-together theory by atheist scientists manufacturing math equations to fit their narrative. It just so happens that science is starting to confirm the Bible more and more. :)

​@@jannaswanson271 Your statement is at strong risk of black swan fallacy. The fact that it appears to teach stars created from Earth reference frame during Earth's Day 4 supports it, in combination with "day is as a thousand years" already showing they understood time rates might not be constant for God, possibly not everywhere in the universe either, which is now confirmed. (So many Old-Earthers think that passage is a secret decoder allowing Genesis days to mean long ages, when ironically it could suggest time dilation; why can't they think of that? More likely it is simply teaching God's timelessness, but time dilation is a natural related concept, just a lesser version of the same idea, so isn't surprising that God made a universe that has it in its physics. In any event, you would need to absolutely prove that that verse carries no such connotation. Good luck.)

@@logicianbones The universe is both older and younger than the earth which can be 6,000 years old because of general relativity. *If you have a different size cubit you will change the size of the house that you build with it.* Lightspeed 186,000 miles per second is how we observe it with a constant rate of time and a fixed measure of distance. Another observer in another place in the universe also with a fixed frame of reference will see light speed 186,000 miles per second too except the frame of reference is not the same since it is a different size of 186,000 miles and a different rate of time which alters the speed of light from our reference frame. The significance of this is that when we observe other galaxies in outer space we are not looking at a fixed measure of distance or a single rate of time because time speeds up and distance is stretched the farther away from the center of the galaxy that it is. If we look at something traveling near the event horizon of a black hole, it will look stopped to us because of how slow it is traveling. If we look at something traveling the opposite direction from us away from the black hole, it will be moving much faster and increasing with speed because the rate of time keeps getting faster and the measure of distance keeps stretching more. This is the reason for superluminal motion and the faster than expected speeds of the outer spiral arms of the galaxies. Things appear to be going faster in outer space because they are going faster without breaking the speed of light because of the changes in the rates of time and the measures of distance in general relativity depending on how much gravity there is in the vicinity. The truth is that thirteen billion years passes by faster between galaxies where there is no matter or mass to slow down time or contract distance. Light only slows down when it encounters the gravity of a galaxy. To be clear, light never breaks the speed of light. It's just that time passes by faster and distance is stretched where there is no matter or mass to slow down time or shorten distance. This means that the distance is not as far and the universe is not as old from our perspective where time is slower and distance is contracted. Redshift happens because of gravity and the accumulation of gravity over large distances so there is no need for a universe expanding into oblivion for no reason. Since things are moving faster away from the centers of galaxies there is also no need for dark matter. Gravity and general relativity explain everything. The universe is both older and younger than the earth at the same time. So many imaginary problems from not understanding the observations. It’s the observations that are real and it’s gravity that is not being understood. We don’t need another law of gravity. Gravity is constant locally the same as the earth is flat locally. On a larger scale gravity is not constant and the earth is not flat. Gravity drops off considerably outside of the galaxy which changes considerably the measures of time and and distance which together make everything to appear to move faster including light. Things appear to be moving faster because they are moving faster as seen by us in our slower rate of time and our shorter measure of distance. This eliminates entirely the need for dark matter. The changes in time and distance compound the changes in the speed of light as observed from our frame of reference. Do a thought experiment. Hold your hands a foot apart representing 186,000 miles saying “one thousand and one” representing one second while pretending to see an imaginary photon going from one hand to the other. Now expand the distance saying “one thousand and one” as fast as you can. You should notice that the speed of the imaginary photon increases the more distance expands and the more time speeds up just same as the farther away from the center of the galaxy it is. The opposite is also true. Someone moving in the direction of a black hole will seem to us to be stopped. If you change the size of a cubit you will change the size of the house that you build with it. The energy source of the vacuum energy is all of the supermassive black holes that are growing by drawing in spacetime. This explains the vacuum energy and it means that the universe is not expanding into oblivion for no reason. It means there is no need for imaginary inflatons. Redshift occurs when light leaves the gravity of a galaxy and then the light is blue shifted when it enters another galaxy. Obviously galaxies aren’t all equal that way and distant galaxies are much more redshifted because of all of the mass of the surrounding galaxies that distance light has to pass by.

Oh dear.

They want to clean up the narrative and make God not look like the monster the Bible says he is.

Yes! Finally some sense around here!

It is why there are WATERS in Genesis 1:2.

You cannot use an example from an imperfect world and apply it to a perfect world. The conditions would not allow death. You may aswell ask what would happen if a polar bear attack you in your home, whilst residing in a desert.

@@dkilian3609 is that from the Bible, or did you just come up with that on your own?

@@jt5747 It is just my interpretation. Death did not exist before Adam sinned. Isaiah 11:6 describes the 1000 year rule of Christ. Death will not exist either during His rule hence why the lion will eat grass like an ox, plus the other examples given.

"Possably thousands of yrs" [stet] Symbiotic relationships rule that out.

@@marcj3682 you havnt addressed thecwuestion adam saying at last you have given me eve Gen 2v23 king james version amoung many others

@@trudymarsh7138 "you havnt addressed thecwuestion adam saying at last you have given me eve Gen 2v23 king james version amoung many " You are confusing too many ideas with scripture. Firstly, re read Genesis 1. It clearly tells you that everything was made in "days." You have said "Possably thousands of yrs" to which that can't be the case, because of the symbiotic nature of things. Let's look at that first. Plants need carbon dioxide given out by mammals, and mammals need oxygen given plants. One can't exist without the other. But let's suppose the eco system was slightly different pre flood. This idea would still defy the symbiotic relationship model, and here's why. Certain flowers need bees to pollinate, and the bee needs certain flowers to survive. So that's why the Bible clearly states that the plant "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:12, and then day and night followed in creation, and eventually, Genesis 1:24 "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so." A bee would be classed as a creepeth thing." We know that bees existed pre flood, as there are giant bee fossils. Plants (flowers) can't wait around for thousands of years to survive - hence the "day" account makes more sense. Secondly, "you havnt addressed thecwuestion adam saying at last you have given me eve Gen 2v23 king james version amoung many " I'm not sure what you are asking here. Genesis 2:23 says, "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." It doesn't mention anything about "at last" - why would Adam say "at last?????" everything was created in the six days. The next part of Genesis, may interest you. Genesis 2: 3 and 4 - "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens," Note the word: GENERATIONS - everything created in 6 days, then generations passed.

@@marcj3682 Trudy is repeating the "Adam had too many animals to name" debunked argument. That's what she meant by "at last" and I think some translations do say that, but no reason a few hours couldn't make him say that.

​@@trudymarsh7138 It doesn't say all animal kinds. Even if he did, there were a lot less of those than Old-Earthers tell you (they generally conflate modern species with kinds/baramin). It says only "every beast of the field and every bird of the sky". So things like cattle, possibly other land vertebrates, and birds, no whales, bugs, etc.

He does in saying humans were created "from the beginning." Nobody in mainstream creationism like AiG thinks it destroys your salvation, but it makes an Old-Earth Christian inconsistent, and it's foolish to disbelieve our own Lord. Also the entire Bible is inspired and Jesus affirmed the OT countless times as Scripture. Understandable to wonder but Old-Eartherism is debunked so many ways we can't count them.

"Research" has been speculated many times over - filled with inconsistencies and numerous guesses. The biggest accumulation of errors is found in fossil "radio-carbon dating". Sure, the math equations are irrefutable, but the data entered into those equations are hypothetical and speculation at best. Variable are often loosely thrown into the equations with a per-determined outcome. If a scientist wants to convince the public that the earth is millions of years old, he'll find some evidence (often wrapped in a complicated math equation) that "proves it. However, when you unwrap the evidence, you'll find that most of the "proof" was speculation about conditions they claim are millions of years old. It's circular logic. You have to HAVE millions of years to PROVE millions of years.

_That's why little children can hear and read the story of creation and understand and believe it. But many grown men have difficulty accepting this truth_ The same way little kids believe stories about the tooth fairy, easter bunny and Santa, but grown-ups don;t. Well, except religious grownups.

@@richardgregory3684 Which is why libraries are filled with children’s books about dinosaurs ‘millions of years ago’. My children know that tooth-fairies, easter bunnies and santa claus is just a story that adults tell children. They also know that dinosaur stories and caveman movies are marketing a false narrative to them. And they roll their eyes at the little tub with animals stuffed into it as if it accurately depicts the real ark. They also think that the multi-verse story is the most absurd fairytale of them all. Why we entertain such ignorance is beyond me. We need to do better teaching truth to our children, or we will get more of the madness we are dealing with in today’s society. We aren’t doing so well with that right now.

Jeremiah 33 , The laws of physics are fixed. We can accurately get a date of the age of the earth and universe, it is billions of years old

Job 38:4-7, the sons of God (spiritual beings ( angels were present when God laid the foundations of the earth.

Circular reasoning. Old-Earther assumptions go into the logic used to interpret things as "dating" that old. Look it up on their site.

There are trees that are 8000-9000 years old. A tree forms a ring every year. The oldest living tree is about 4000 years old. It could not happen if there was a global flood.

@@vshah1010 Gap Theorists don't deny a global flood as a matter of fact they make a much better case for one than young earth creationists do.

Yom is literal for 24 hour day.

@@friedvegetables3455A quick search showed me that not everyone agrees with that. Either way there probably was a planning period.

@@friedvegetables3455 Sure, but does that mean day one was 24 hours? 24 hour cycle is established on day 4- Gen 1.6-19

4 different time spans for the Hebrew word day, it’s not until day 4 that God designates the sun moon and stars to now serve as time markers for days seasons and years for animals biological clocks on day 5 and day 6 for humans to use as time markers.

Yes, but the fact is that is not what happened.