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Holy shit yeah he needs to do this

His voice when he announces himself always makes me think of Arthur, The Tick's sidekick.

Imagine the headline, would start a second satanic panic

He didn't.

We still love him anyway......

When dad opens a hell portal in your bedroom because he put screw A into hole D

No, magnus is the teenage boy who gets his GF pregnant cuz his dad never gave him the talk

​@@Yourantsallyhe was told by multiple people even the emperor not to fuck around with certain places and he still did it

magnus: is made into one of the most powerful psykers ever emperor and a bunch of others who cant really use their brains that well: hur dur no use power hur dur if they were so hellbent on him not using his power WHY LET HIM OUT OF THE EMPERORS SIGHT

​@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 Eh, Bad Dad Emps doing some Stupid Bad Dad Shit is a pretty common Emperor L.

Yeah, this bothered me too.

This, and explaining the Dunning-Kruger effect in terms of intelligence instead of competence is making me doubt this man's reading comprehension skill.

also the spy during the council of nikea was actually time traveling horus from the heresy manipulating events

I mean that was bc he saw magnus had consorted with demons... still extreme but kinda understandable

@@phinnyloklok1518then maybe warn him about said demon, rather than prohibiting him from doing the one thing he is good at. Especially since his thing puts him at risk with demons.

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Wasn't that the time he also doomed humanity to needing to use the Warp for travel?

pepperidge farms remembers

Magnus tts ):

Pepperbridge farm remembers

Look up: ‘what if Woodrow Wilson lost the election’

Highly intelligent people can be humble. That is a "side" effect of having an inflated ego

it is satisfying to watch yeah I think the most interesting struggles are when things don't turn out the way they should in someones mind. It's good narratively

He deserved.

Him doing something wrong is what makes him interesting. I legit think "Magnus did nothing wrong" does a massive disservice to the character to make him really boring.

@@TheBoneZone40kare you familiar with the many TTS gags about Magnus ?(like an Australian accent)

​@@TheBoneZone40k For a history snippet reference the council of Nikea is THE most on the nose reference in all of WH 40K as it is one letter change away from Nicea, the city where 1,700 ish years ago an agreement was made. This agreement was all the big shot bishops and philosophers coming up with (if you are an every Sunday good boy) the Nicean Creed (and side note, Saint Nicholas, the basis of Santa Clause, punched Aria in the face for being a heretic).

Seems like a very White Scars thing to say, they are blessed (or maybe cursed) with some damn common sense, that must be a terrible burden in an universe in which shooting themselves in the foot is the big unifying factor for almost all factions.

However, the white scar seer was speaking in a very philosophical tone like a tibetian monk and the point sort of flew off everyones head.

It's almost like it's the Emperors fault for not teaching Magnus, THE BIGGEST PSYKER OF ALL PRIMARCHS, ABOUT THE FUCKING WARP AND CHAOS

@@zeppelincraft1443 I don't really see how, unless they couldn't understand that the terms "Stormseer" and "psyker" were supposed to be interchangeable. That speech was very easy to understand.

@@g.sergiusfidenas6650 I think the fact that Jaghatai Khan's tendency to speak truth to power filtered down to his sons, and the Legion benefitted for it. Even after the Edict of Nicaea was issued, the Great Khan basically tore it up because he's such a chad.

Careful, definitely depends on context. Intelligent people will make mistakes, which is an inevitable part of intellectual pursuits. Dumb people can be carefully tokenistic to convince themselves and others they're smart, while a very intelligent person could openly misinterpret the Dunning Kruger effect - Classifying it as ironically funny could be considered doubly ironic on your behalf 😉

I'm like that too, the only thing i like about the space wolves is their hate for the Sons

The two legions deserve each other honestly

@@vancodling4223 true

I just hate all Space Boy Scouts, chaos or not. Xenos rule.

​@@DominatorLegend I Bet You're A Tau Simp

Magnus is a younger, less organized Emperor with no discipline.

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 so the younger Emperor from when he lived in Anatolia

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 yea just a younger emperor

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 the emperor was barely organised, the unification wars and great crusade were cluster fucks with insanely poor planning, the emperor put barely any thought into how the primarchs, hell for quite some time he even knew the heresy was coming and still did nothing, but just like with every other character who fucks up they never get chastised for it only magnus gets talked about

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This comment carry’s so much more weight when you consider Magnus of all people was (from what I know) going to be the one to take the Emperors place on the golden throne. I get the Emperor couldn’t tell all the legions, especially due to the plethora of psykers who could easily mind read a stray thought that would spell disaster for the imperium or potentially even the webway project. But I don’t understand why the fuck the Emperor would choose not to tell his most psychically gifted son who of all people would have both benefitted most from that information while also being the best at keeping that information a secret from psykers or other space marines.

@@maxwellbajwa9190 Well, not to make a character case study out of the Emperor however, let us take into consideration that the Emperor viewed his sons as a Mechanic views his tools. The Emperor has shown to care very little, if at all, about his sons. You can look to a majority of the Traitor Primarchs for evidence of that. What father would rip his son from his friends to watch them die and then not care that the same son would expire due to a technological torture that was not his own doing? What father would recognize his son's want and need to build rather than fight and give another son the opportunity to build a castle? What father would ditch his sons in the middle of a galactic war to return to Terra without giving any advice? What kind of father would steal the revenge his son deserved? What father would assassinate his own son no matter how damaged he may be? When the Emperor does show compassion, it is used to gain the servitude of his sons, nothing more. Even Horus, supposedly the Emperor's favorite son, was still abandoned by his father to fight a war he had no idea how to continue. Is it truly any wonder that the Emperor didn't tell his sons, neigh, his tools, about the Chaos Gods?

@@alienstar2088 I actually totally agree with you that the Emperor viewed his sons as tools. The way he treated Angron, Mortarion, and Perturabo are perfect examples of his mindset. And it makes sense that he allowed his Primarchs to call themselves his sons not because he cared for it, but because it was just more convenient than the truth. Still, it is this view of his Primarchs and their legions as tools and his own hubris, I think we can agree, that ultimately doomed him. Especially in his final dealings with Magnus it’s pretty clear that if he had just cared to ask anyone around him, or even just reason more with Magnus himself he would have known Magnus would refuse.

@@alienstar2088 Also I totally agree on your point of the Emperors view of his son as tools is (at least partly) why he chose not to tell his sons about the Chaos gods. What I think I’m trying to get at here is that the Emperors internment on the golden throne as a living corpse is largely due to how he viewed his sons and the decisions that resulted from that view. I think what I’m trying to get at though is that if the Emperor should have told anyone it should have been Magnus due to the role Magnus was meant to play, but I agree the Emperors nature is what caused that oversight in the first place. Additionally I think the Emperor has plenty of time to reflect on how the view he holds of his Primarchs led to his internment on the golden throne, and that information will either drive him mad and make him more cruel or propel him into being a better man and leader for the Imperium.

Exactly! so few people get or remember this point!

@@Matt-lk5ng it's the classic split in understanding responsibility that most disagreements are based on, most famously politics.

Played by tzeentch from the start

I want to see it, give me the link so that I can. I have seen way too horrific shit to recount and I want something messed up to laugh at this week, hence I demand it.

@@necrosteel5013 You were either an Iron Warrior or an Emperor's Children. No inbetween.

@@fernandobraga8455 I guess I am a lot closer to the iron warriors. They are one of my favorite chaos legions after all.

Vezimira is the only thing worth mentioning about the Thousand Sons

Give me the name so i can do more research into this pls :3

Yeah, I took a lot of Psych in college, and I remember it being - Dumb/unqualified people significantly overrate their knowledge -More knowledgeable people rate their knowledge much more accurately So they know what they don't know, but they don't suddenly completely lose all self-confidence.

And horus since he commanded Leman to kill magnus and TS

As well as fulgrim since despite his sometimes haughty nature he was loyal thru and thru and was only because of the laer blade

@@dino-bk7vh I thought newer lore was he exorcised the demon and still joined chaos?

@@thatwelshman2713 Yeah but….chaos is a force that COMPLETELY changes you on a fundamental level into something that is NOT you…..so if fulgrim was still sane is up to debate but the moment he touched the laer blade he was a goner

​@@thatwelshman2713lol horus didnt tell russ to do anything he just said "hey russ that Magnus guy has gone to far someone should really reign him in... anyway have fun retrieving magnus" He decided on his own to attack even when a custodes stood next him and told him that it was a retrieval mission as he nuked prospero

And Sanguinius is a bona-fide mutant no matter how you put it. Of course he would tolarate some tame minor psyker mutations.

​@@zeppelincraft1443wow, really using the hard M on mutant, huh?

​@@Yourantsally The hard M is reserved for Mortarion to say. Jokes aside, I think if the council of Nikea went Magnus' way, Tzeentch would have single-handedly won the great game.

@@zeppelincraft1443 Except tzeentch got his way anyways. Magnus didn't stop, the space wolves still used rune priests, mortarion was already a psyker and just didn't know it (not to mention the psykik potential of typhon/typhus) Ns everyone has librarians. If big E just trusted his sons enough to tell them what they should be wary of, rather than just blanket "no psykers", SO much could have been avoided

​@@YourantsallyThe Emperors plan was to make sure no one knew about the Chaos God's so that they would starve to death

Wasn’t magnus broke into many shards and he just got biggest pieces and a lot of the smaller ones? It’d be cool if the rest of his shards were converging to become a good version of him.

@@sebastianzmijewski1282 Yea Ahriman collected all his shards but one which was his most important his Noble shard if Magnus ever got it back nd became whole again his redemption is possible.

​@@wolflordgio6320but malkidor decided to be a dick..

"reluctance" his slaughter of prospero says otherwise, and then going straight for the kill on magnus shows he clearly wanted this, but hey space furries are gonna space furry

Lemon Rush was the first person on the ground gleefully slaughtering civilians. He wasn't reluctant. He wanted to burn prospero for a long time

Not absolutely banned magic But You have to be really REALLY careful about it. Many other legion space marines still use psychic but they decrease it as low as possible. Psychics are dangerous and even more for thousand sons but they can't stop overusing it. That's their problem overusing something that they literally CAN'T control AND it will kill them on the way for using it.

Exactly takes the words right out of my mouth.

This one comment managed to deconstruct an entire video's premise and convince me contrary to what was being said (except for the post heresy aesthetic, I do agree with mr. bones on that. I don't hate the design, I just think the pre heresy one is better) Bravo. It helps I want to play the thousand suns for the funky magic powers, but you did bring up excellent points with examples that showed that there's more to them than just "I'm smarter than you, and I think I'm right" followed by a clusterfuck. Also I like the idea of a faction being laid low BECAUSE of empathy, rather than being jerks and getting a comeuppance for it. The tragic idea of good guys becoming bad guys because things don't work out how they rightfully should is the perfect tragedy I expect out of the grimdark future of 40k.

Thousand Sons and Eldar as a whole are a good filter to measure someone's reading comprehension. Burning of Prospero is easily one of the best written events in all of 40k, up there with Istvan III.

They were moved by his honor which is cool but I got to think that at least in some small part they decided that going out instantly due the bomb was infinite times better than whatever Fulgrim and his band of degenerates had in store for them if they were to be captured by him afterwards.

Ah yes vistario Such a cool guy Shame he's dead

(love the video)

I agree a lot with your thesis here. The Thousand Sons, to me, always represented the worst aspects of the Imperial truth of the Emperor's original plan. The sheer arrogance and spite they hold for other societies' superstitions about the Warp blinded them to the very real dangers, even as they mastered the more technical aspects. Their Primarch is equally as fun. Magnus, in all the worst ways, is truly one of the three Primarchs closest to the Emperor himself in mind. The cruelty born of callousness, the spiteful rants against his own brothers!

bro at least thousand sons were honest and idealists compare to hypocrisy of wolves and smelly grave f*ckers and even more heroic than salamanders

He kinda did...the edict of Nikaea

Why would that be necessary if all warp exploration was le banned?

He told him not to use magic, but in the face of Horus' betrayal, that can be understood.

@Alastor yeah. But even his sons were like "let us deliver it" to which magni magic responded "nah watch this"

@@wiccanthropy1956 tbf, when you're talking about traveling massive distances with a looming Heresy, all the prep time you can get would be the best. Maybe Emps shouldve told the only person capable of breaking his special barrier about the special barrier just incase he decides to be a bad boy and use his magic anyway.

Emperor did that countless times. Especially with Magnus. He warned him not to go deep and not to interact with demons. And look what that arrogant red mad lad did to him, to his legion and to reputation of Psychers and most importantly to Emperor's grand project utterly destroying it.

@@Warmaster2001 did the Emperor know that Fulgrim was wielding the Blade of Laer?

ahriman is persian tho 😎

He's so cocky he was turned into a Cock! As in a rooster...

what funnier is that Vulcan was there And he was like shit, don't ask me what to do Magnus, Don't ask me

Fury of Magnus from scraps I read is dumb book. It dumbs down the characters to try tell readers Magnus made a continuous decision to join chaos. In reality ever since Leman invaded Prosepro Magnus has been backed into a corner talking to Russ would been no good Russ hasn’t listens to Magnus before why would he listen now. Neither would of fighting back just would made Magnus look like he’s a traitor. Magnus has also been a emotional bleeding heart with his decision only using he knowledge and not his non existent wisdom. I thought originally he signed his life way on prospero when used the book of Magnus in a emotional mistake to teleport his people away not realizing what it would cost. Instead I find out in video this watered down version of it happens where Magnus lives the warp for a thousand years of warp time becoming some renegade which I liked. What didn’t like how when finds his sons and rebuilds prospero he takes his entire legion to find his last piece of his soul the noble shard. He did so wouldn’t die cause if remember right he was slowly being drained of his energy to live without it. Then he decides instead just going to Terria himself he meats with Horus and joins him with his legion to get closer to his soul since apparently The Emperor has. For all the talk that Magnus goes on about loving he’s Legion and the memories of prospero the writers make him take them with him. In every other book Magnus self sacrifices himself for the good of whatever he’s trying protect even one time almost dying for ship of random civilians. It’s like Magnus couldn’t just astero project himself again in imperial palace and talk to his father about this like he’s done all his life when father wasn’t in the palace and it’s not like the protection from the palace was there anymore since Magnus broke it. When finally gets into the palace tho the poorly thought out way Malcador being the old piece garbage he is. Malcador tells Magnus he never needed his last piece of his soul and it was always apart of him. I thinking Magnus is literally coughing up blood loosing his grip on reality what are talking about you senile old man get back on your meds. Malcador proceeds then taunt Magnus like he’s asking to get his teeth punched , but probably thinks he’s either gonna win cause he choked Horus out or he’s gonna make Magnus feel bad if he kills him somehow. Malcador proceeds with the latter letting Magnus kill him somehow even tho Malcadors a Perpetual and Magnus wasn’t able to kill Vulkin who was a Perpetual. Magnus feels bad even tho Malcadors the person you should feel least bad for mercing with the fact Malcadors is where all the emperors worst Traits come from and I pretty sure Malcadors done some shady business and whipped out at least a hundred civilizations before he even met the emperor. When finally Magnus gets the throne the emperor pretty much locks Magnus in there with Vulcan and himself giving him some crooked probably cause Magnus made himself look like a dunce Traitor coming with the Traitors. The emperor basically says join me were killing your Legion there all have trash genetics and gonna die I get you a new toy legion son ; oh I’d say no then you die to Vulcan’s hammer. Then Vulcan’s goes being like “Magnus we recorded you crying 😭 in your palace like a baby you did everything wrong we totally would believed you if defended your self against the space even tho I Vulcan have killed thousands of worlds that either defended themselves against imperium for less or simply being different”. -Totally accurate Vulcan. Magnus being even more insulted by Vulcan smooth brain insults and emotional and the Emperor lack of any emotion for the last remnants for his people treating them like broken toys that need to be replaced makes Magnus furious for the other lack emotion these two are showing. Magnus pretty much auto says no and asks Vulcan would he be capable of just replacing his sons so easily and Vulcan says no. This is in point when hearing the lore this book and I like WTF 🤬. The Emperor doesn’t need to just kill Magnus’s sons he’s kept both the space wolves wulfen and Sangeous/ his sons with bird wings alive. Magnus sons may be slowly turning into unstable mutant tentacle monsters but doesn’t mean the emperor can just kill them he can least try keep them alive and just give Magnus the grey knights to slowly phase the old sons when they eventually need to be put down. The Emperor could of also just tried to cure them if Cul the Tech priest was able to make Primaris that barely affected by mutation the emperor could done something similar. Vulcan wasn’t helping either literally just criticizing Magnus. By the end of it if Vulcan were trapped in the same situation on Nocturne he pretty much admitted he would do a lot of the same actions as Magnus not all obviously he would up in a similar situation. Pretty much the end Magnus gets beat Pulp by Vulcan cause the Emperor once again is horrible leader that’s couldn’t figure a obvious solution. Magnus then I’d like f you dad in the most stupid way possible accepting tzeentch gift when he could just TPed out of there as soon as he saw there was no winning in the situation. The only reason I think he stayed was the emperor had sent men to kill Magnus sons anyway if said yes or no. Magnus didn’t have the book of Magnus on him , so could just TP his sons out so once again is forced in situation with no winning let him and his sons die or join tzeentch to live. Which he obviously does cause this pre written to have Magnus Join Tzeentch since models got to sell 💰 💴 💵 💰. I honestly think through lone wind misspelled recap of events Fury of Magnus should never existed and should just either been at end of Prosperous burns Magnus becomes a Demon prince in order to TP his sons originally away. Or just have Magnus become more Rengade if this wasn’t pre written to have a certain outcome it seemed like the book wanted to set up Magnus and his sons against the galaxy trying to help out. I really think this is book is disservice to Magnus character making him look like a spoiled child with imperium doing “nothing wrong” instead being a arrogant passionate Suto humanitarian who was born to be a killing machine for the imperium literally only made to power the golden throne. I conclusion I don’t Magnus did “nothing wrong” nor do I think he did “everything wrong” I just think he was to emotional of a Primarch that caused his own down fall in his ego filled vision to lead the imperium into the light out of ignorance against Psykers. If you read this thx for listing.

I misspelled so much in this please forgive my misspelling I kind of got wrapped up in a rant about Fury of Magnus I just had a lot thoughts about what didn’t like in that book. How it wrote the characters and the renegade Magnus thing that went no where.

Wasn't it revealed that deal was offered to a part of Magnus that flew off via Magnus' back break?

@@lordofshades9852 Not sure wasn't some older version of Magnus's soul if I am not mistaken? I remember that the thousand sons collected a majority of the parts of his Soul ,and put it together with that part. I remember that liking the quotes taken from the book ,and the lore videos discussing it. It really felt like a 180 from Magnus being a dude with a ego problem to it was always Magnus's fault in the end when sided with Tzeentch to save his legion or what the book implies himself ,and his values. I feel like the author heard that people liked him thought Leman was in the wrong ,and they said you can't have nice things TM GRIMDARK Magnus is evil for "40k standards" now always has.

Is Arhemen as Skaven now? Because that would make a lot of sense

Suffer not the Xenos to live. Your people shall be brought to justice by the might of his Armies

No. He is beyond forgiving. He destroyed the humanity's chance to avoid warp completly, forced Emperor to sit on the throne permanently.

I don't think they are "stupid". It's just Tzeentch is really good at making fools of everyone. He technically did the Imperium more damage than Peturabo breaching the castle walls via social engineering and outdid the Emperor by making him to literally sit it out. The Emperor being forced to duel Horus, lose Malcador, Magnus and making him sit on the throne is ALL Tzeentch's doing. That is how crazy this interdimensional mollusk is. Also technically all of the Psykers fed to the throne to power the Emperor to close said gate and light the astronomicon is ALSO his doing. The Imperium is losing potentially strong psykers daily because Tzeentch has his bets on the Emperor will never return.

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