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Three On Three: Dress Watches Under $20,000 

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Welcome to Three On Three. It's one thing for us to give you an in-depth look at a single watch, to wear it and review it, on its own. But there are always options out there. With Three On Three we select a category, choose three watches that represent competitive takes on a theme, and compare them head-to-head. To kick things off, we went with a basic in any man's watch wardrobe, the manually-wound dress watch. Of course we had to get a little more selective, so we've picked three that all feature in-house movements for under $20,000: A. Lange & Söhne's Saxonia in pink gold, F.P. Journe's Chronomètre Bleu, and Vacheron Constantin's Patrimony Traditionnelle Small Seconds in pink gold. All three are seriously impressive entry points into true high-end watchmaking and here Benjamin Clymer, Stephen Pulvirent, and Paul Boutros dissect them side-by-side. Read the full story here: www.hodinkee.com/features/thre...

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@elsenorjesus2419
@elsenorjesus2419 5 лет назад
Yeah... throwback to those days when one could get a Chronometre Bleu for under 20K hahahahah
@oatmongen4263
@oatmongen4263 2 года назад
They really meant it in this vid when they said if they had $20K, that they would "invest" in a Chronometre Bleu.
@leonardotansil1643
@leonardotansil1643 2 года назад
I came back to this video laughing too lol
@rashakor
@rashakor Год назад
😭
@DustyLinks
@DustyLinks 7 лет назад
The guy on the left and right look like they fuse to be the one in the middle.
@jeffhampton7405
@jeffhampton7405 5 лет назад
This is a strong contender for comment of the year.
@spacebjorn
@spacebjorn 5 лет назад
Fusion ha
@tytytyme33
@tytytyme33 5 лет назад
Lmao
@yousefgeorge3060
@yousefgeorge3060 4 года назад
it really is
@m3mario
@m3mario 3 года назад
Journe can use all the gold in the world for its movement, but the best looking movement is the Lange.
@douro20
@douro20 10 лет назад
You really have to give it to F. P. Journe for being the only watchmaker to make series production watches which use solid 18k gold movement plates- a material which is quite hard to work with as a mechanical material because of its softness.
@jimmycappels8564
@jimmycappels8564 8 лет назад
Glasses and sweaters club right here!
@michaelperry2018
@michaelperry2018 9 лет назад
the Vacheron Constantin's Patrimony Traditionnelle is my favorite of all the three available. i can tell im going to enjoy collecting watches.
@abhishes
@abhishes 8 лет назад
i'll go with FP
@felixarbable
@felixarbable 8 лет назад
+Abhishek Srivastava its just on another level really
@GodsMistake
@GodsMistake 9 лет назад
Are theses guys all the same person? o_0
@nephildevil
@nephildevil 9 лет назад
Delage Eric hipsters are people too, i think :D
@user-sb3yt2xl6x
@user-sb3yt2xl6x 9 лет назад
Delage Eric Delage my dear foe... How do you do ?
@tomasinacovell4293
@tomasinacovell4293 9 лет назад
Fletcher DeMaine Why Yes, that's correct! They're all based on the Milhouse Van Houten fambly.
@tendrams
@tendrams 7 лет назад
Sweater + glasses = watch expert. Bonus points for selvedge jeans and killer collection of vinyl. :)
@Wvk5zc
@Wvk5zc 5 лет назад
you glassist
@m3mario
@m3mario 2 года назад
This is the video that put FP Journe in the map.
@N7Sound
@N7Sound 2 года назад
The Lange... nobody comes close to their finish and complexity.
@mistable
@mistable 4 года назад
fast forward 5 years and Journe is nearly double the price now at $40,000!
@DonLee1980
@DonLee1980 2 года назад
It's a $100k watch now.
@prashanthpanicker2890
@prashanthpanicker2890 10 лет назад
That Vacheron in white gold or platinum looks gorgeous!
@Ferrari1362
@Ferrari1362 4 года назад
The f p journey Chronometre blue is now selling for 40,000 USD on the grey market. Insane increase in value.
@alexwengrun9989
@alexwengrun9989 10 лет назад
i would buy the A.Lange&Söhne.
@kervynlaurent
@kervynlaurent 10 лет назад
As said by others, when it comes to A.L&S, I'd invest just a little more and get the 1815, way more interesting in my opinion. However, great video! Looking forward to seeing more vids like this!
@gilluminati-2042
@gilluminati-2042 7 лет назад
The fact that FP Journe is in the same sentence as Lange and VC is a huge win for them. It gets my vote out of these 3 examples.
@rwATR_USN
@rwATR_USN 10 лет назад
Wow. I'm not sure if I'll ever to have a watch of this caliber in my collection, but I sure do love watching these videos. Thanks for making them!
@francescofouche5843
@francescofouche5843 5 лет назад
The fp journe Is amazing... first time I'd pick anything before a Lange
@hendog323
@hendog323 10 лет назад
All 3 are gorgeous and love that you chose ones that have open casebacks, thanks for the review!
@JamesLeptas
@JamesLeptas 10 лет назад
All just beautiful pieces. You cannot go wrong with either one. Here's to the dreamers; that we may be able to afford such magnificent time pieces.
@wysiwyg2489
@wysiwyg2489 9 лет назад
What the second person does at 1:23 is a no-no. You should not wind or mess with your watch while is on your wrist. After continuously doing, you may slightly bend the shaft. All of this should be done before you put on your watch.
@SharpGilpin
@SharpGilpin 9 лет назад
I noticed that as well. Being a 'watch aficionado' he should have known better
@wysiwyg2489
@wysiwyg2489 9 лет назад
Amen.
@Karsonbarnes11
@Karsonbarnes11 9 лет назад
That should have no negative affects on the staff (so long as you aren't on an African Safari, roller coaster, or participating in another vigorous activity) If anything you MIGHT break the stem (which could have been what you meant).
@wysiwyg2489
@wysiwyg2489 9 лет назад
Karson Barnes Then, you should contact Patek Philippe and explain them to take off this comment from their manuals.
@claudiuskundanmal5401
@claudiuskundanmal5401 6 лет назад
So many negative comments, video was very well done, love hearing commentary from people who actually know what they are talking about, great video!
@nateblubaugh729
@nateblubaugh729 10 лет назад
I love that A Lange & Sohne.
@SpydieFan
@SpydieFan 10 лет назад
I would go for the ALS 1815 instead of the Saxonia, but it would be a hard choice between that watch and the Journe. Great vid, keep it up
@kukumundi
@kukumundi 6 лет назад
FP is absolutely gorgeous!
@alexcooper6265
@alexcooper6265 6 лет назад
Why not buy 100 Orient Bambinos? Massive oversight on their part not mentioning this.
@AGL23
@AGL23 7 лет назад
Please do more of these! Different price points, for modern watches, classics, etc. :)
@freen773
@freen773 2 года назад
this video got me into journe years ago. crazy to see what happened to the prices
@SolomonLi
@SolomonLi 8 лет назад
The Journe looks awesome...
@dineshjiawan
@dineshjiawan 9 лет назад
I would prefer the Patek Philippe Calatrava ref. 5227
@locutusdborg126
@locutusdborg126 4 года назад
FP Journe for the win. And now 20K would be a steal.
@LackadaisicalE
@LackadaisicalE 9 лет назад
There are LOTS of great looking dress watches available for FAR less! Used Omegas, Seikos, et cet, every auction house on the planet has plenty to choose from.
@cowboygareth
@cowboygareth 9 лет назад
LackadaisicalE they're not on the same level of what these guys are talking about tho. They make a point to show what the best options are with a decent but not crazy amount of budget-$20k.
@mepicaeltrasero
@mepicaeltrasero 8 лет назад
The watches in the video are on a level on which look of the watch is an smaller factor compared to the pure mechanics of the watch, of course at that price everything is a consideration, and of course they are also limiting to what it can be buy new at the time of the video
@LackadaisicalE
@LackadaisicalE 8 лет назад
mepicaeltrasero I understand that, but any list of suggested dress watches under 20k or so, has to include ATLEAST Omega. An Omega dress watch from the 40-50s is better looking than most, comparable to Vacheron Contantin dress watches in looks ( they actually look better than any VC, Patek, JlC etc dress watch, but ofc not in value of precious metals or finish in mechanics. But then again, you wont find a Vacheron Constantin dress watch for that price.) For a dress watch, you can never beat small, super simple, and super thin. A large dial, gaudy colours, an abundance of details, metal bracelet, any of that is a mistake in a classic dress watch. With dress watches, it is 'less is more'. So, if you want to spend 20K on a used dress watch, I think you have to include Omega from back in the day. The restoration will cost you a lot less, they hardly ever need maintainance, and you will still have your colleague in his Breitling, Rolex or other ask you to have a peek and envy its simple, classy design.
@rockon21ful
@rockon21ful 7 лет назад
Very nice video & three great timepieces, what you get from F.P. Journe and his 800-900 watches a year seems much more bespoke and personally at that price it would be a no brainer! That is when I'm ready for a 20,000.00 dress watch.
@zzzzxxxx341
@zzzzxxxx341 9 лет назад
3 young lads talking about watches... Way to go kiddos!!!!
@rukshang
@rukshang 10 лет назад
excellent camera work as always and an eclectic choice of watches.. What camera and lens was used 5DMII/III and f1.4?
@highoeyazmuhudee
@highoeyazmuhudee 10 лет назад
Do you guys all shop at j crew?
@user-tx8in8xc3f
@user-tx8in8xc3f 10 лет назад
lol
@LordDavid04
@LordDavid04 8 лет назад
Can we remove one of the zeros? Three on Three: Dress Watches Under $2,000.
@braayan03
@braayan03 7 лет назад
LordDavid04 how about another zero?
@GarrySkipPerkins
@GarrySkipPerkins 7 лет назад
Timex makes great watches for $50. You can also buy a car for less than a grand. There are price points for everything.
@insta_1st
@insta_1st 7 лет назад
Hamilton makes amazing watches for just under 2K
@samuellong4253
@samuellong4253 3 года назад
Longines are the best for under 2k
@111ImNumber1
@111ImNumber1 5 лет назад
No brand can compete with Lange, not even Patek. Reality
@Seti12345
@Seti12345 3 года назад
The Journe is absolutely gorgeous
@operamatthew
@operamatthew 4 года назад
that FP is pulling at my heart
@Karsonbarnes11
@Karsonbarnes11 9 лет назад
F.P Journe all the way! Exclusively, attention to detail, great power reserve, and luxurious materials. As for servicing this (as a watchmaker) it's nothing too terribly difficult. If you're experienced enough and well trained enough to even be considering something like this watch, the set of of the movement is unorthodox, but nothing that can't be done. As for the screws on the caseback, watchmakers are always making/improving tools so that's definitely something that could be made within a couple of hours if Journe doesn't supply it's accounts with tools (which wouldn't surprise me).
@realblackbetty2204
@realblackbetty2204 6 лет назад
I hear VC is coming out with a 36mm. Can't wait. I love that size in a dress watch
@Coltrane45
@Coltrane45 10 лет назад
Good insights and I appreciate the objective opinions; neither Ben nor the other guys showed unreasonable bias. I am a Lange guy hands down and own a few currently; so my money would go to the Saxonia however the Chronometre Bleu is a close 2nd in this instance. I have a difficult time classifying the Journe as a dress watch with the dial font and hands; however the movement is wonderful. Maybe consider discussing the value behind each of the names. I feel the fact that Journe is tied to the man himself, the brand may be inherently stunted going into the future. Kudos for staying away from Patek as well; the 3 brands represented here give equal care to entry level models like these as they would high-complications.
@alvinkoh5556
@alvinkoh5556 8 лет назад
Are they born from the same womb or produced from the same factory ?
@orazioricchiuto7262
@orazioricchiuto7262 8 лет назад
vai
@msec109
@msec109 8 лет назад
lol
@nicholasmarchington1282
@nicholasmarchington1282 7 лет назад
finally a video that will help me find a dress watch on a budget O.o
@wirsitzmiau9863
@wirsitzmiau9863 9 лет назад
In my opinion Lange is making currently best from the best.
@Ax07605
@Ax07605 5 лет назад
Lange wins this one, video is dress watch for 20, FP kills it for an every day watch masterfully switching from formal to casual. But if we're talking straight simple and elegant design Lange.
@thomaspomeroy5678
@thomaspomeroy5678 5 лет назад
I love the Vacheron. If I got to vote. :)
@garybenson2280
@garybenson2280 Год назад
Would be happy with any of the three if I could justify spending £20k on a watch. If I had to pick I’d choose the Vacheron Grail watch still a Breguet Classique manual wind in rose gold
@metamurph
@metamurph 9 лет назад
Might as well have called it 3 dress watches in the $20k area we like - 3 German watches under $20 that went from Nomos to A. Lange
@mrandmrswheels1142
@mrandmrswheels1142 4 года назад
Great video. What a trio WOW 😮 Can I ask what the eye loupe is? Thanks
@derekrolle6705
@derekrolle6705 4 года назад
Now Lange has pushed the scale of some versions of the Saxonia to 35 mm; I really don’t understand why. They were beautiful and perfect in the 40 mm and 37 mm variants.
@jijdom
@jijdom Год назад
Because 40mm doesnt make sense for a dresswatch. Dresswatches cant be as large as sportswatches or dive watches. It is ment to be elegant.
@finkejak
@finkejak 5 лет назад
Would love that Chronometre Bleu! But with prices climbing slowly but surely up to 40k, that is rather improbable, at least in the near future. I would also love, if A. Lange decided to produce watches not only in precious metals but also steel.
@kapullas
@kapullas 7 лет назад
Thanks for this useful video. Last night I was dressing myself to go out and I only could find a pair of out of date Rolexes to wear on; what a shame. Then I thought to myself "I need a new dressing watch that costs less than 20K NOW" but couldn't figure out which one to buy.
@qwertpoiuy430
@qwertpoiuy430 7 лет назад
kapullas just because you are not a watch geek, it doesn't mean some of us aren't c; I've been saving for 1 year and that constantin looks nice!
@pawezawisza7436
@pawezawisza7436 9 лет назад
F. P. Journe is a no-go. Right after Lange manages 65 hours on a single barrel you have F. P. Journe's double barrel with 56 hours? That is the quality of German watchmaking, and most importantly German engineering. Then Lange makes probably the most perfect movements in the industry. As for servicing the comments in the video are incredibly ignorant - you do not service a 20k wristwatch with an 'average watchmaker', regardless if he wants to do it or not. If there are any parts that needs to be replaced a no-name 3rd party will be used, not original parts ordered directly from the manufacturer. If you have money for a watch such as the one described you will only service it with an original retailer. Another error - where did you get 10 000 watches for Lange? They make 4000 - 6000 watches a year.
@adnjoo
@adnjoo 7 лет назад
The double barrels on the FPJ is for consistent power dispersion, not for maximum power reserve.
@ProCelestialEmpire
@ProCelestialEmpire 6 лет назад
F.P.Journe has a LOT of 5 day power reserve automatic models, while Lange has a norm around 70 hours with an exception of 30 day power reserve one but that is a manual winding model and insanely expensive. Does that impair ur "noble German blood" perception?
@sebnalo8212
@sebnalo8212 6 лет назад
great choices
@toocoolforu
@toocoolforu 7 лет назад
Thank God finally some budget watches under 20 thousands
@dovyhk
@dovyhk 7 лет назад
it has nearly been three years. hope there is another nicely made three-on-three coming up in the pipeline
@sng8811
@sng8811 6 лет назад
VC is the better one here imo. However, I rather take 1815 or 5196/5296,
@TuEIite
@TuEIite 6 лет назад
I was thinking the Lange was 25k for some reason. Not bad for 18k!
@SportsDad7
@SportsDad7 10 лет назад
How hard is it to buy a watch under 20K really?
@barcode9769
@barcode9769 4 года назад
I know it has been 5 years but the F.P. Journe in this video is going for $40K now.
@Nevoytbn
@Nevoytbn 2 года назад
F.P. Journe: 2014 - $20,000... 2022 - $100 000 Good investment!!!
@citygreek165
@citygreek165 10 лет назад
1..FP Journe 2..Lange 3 Vacheron
@monstersemmel
@monstersemmel 10 лет назад
Thank you very much for making these videos :) Great review, hoewever I would've enjoyed a few more minutes of details, tech-talk and your personal opinions. Seemed like you cut it down quite a bit. Maybe you could upload more material in an addtional video (maybe only linked here?) - see numberphile channel: they always have a 'main' video and then some additional minutes released later on.
@vancewalker6620
@vancewalker6620 8 лет назад
Love all three but the Journe is truly superb!
@barelymonster
@barelymonster 7 лет назад
FP Journe price has increased to $22,600 now and not including taxes
@JaydonTobler
@JaydonTobler 6 лет назад
I really think you would be a fool not to go with the F.P. Journe in my opinion. Considering you may not see another person wearing one in your lifetime. It's definitely going to be FAR more interesting than either of the other watches and in my opinion I think will be worth FAR more in the future.
@JaydonTobler
@JaydonTobler 2 года назад
Wow… I was certainly right about the Journe being worth far more (I see $115k today). So I’ll update my assessment and say the Lange is now the best at this price point.
@minibus1351
@minibus1351 6 лет назад
F.P Journe just wins. It has the versatility, the exclusivity, best looking (both front and back) and lastly, people who know, knows.
@edawandarchiez
@edawandarchiez 6 лет назад
I want them all. Hahaha.. I like A. Lange better. I'm into Germany watches these days.
@BR-ip8lp
@BR-ip8lp 8 лет назад
I also wanted to share like those three guys that my watch also cost me under $20. I bought at a Goodwill store it has twin sensor, light, mode, compass, and best of all is not that rare because everyone can own a Casio.
@m3mario
@m3mario 4 года назад
0:14 interesting we can figure out which watch it is, just by looking at the movement. We are such geeks.
@edwardweeks1555
@edwardweeks1555 5 лет назад
I was talking about the movie advert Lao
@bighands69
@bighands69 8 лет назад
Jaeger Lecoultre Reverso can be had for about $7000 and is a top class sports/dress watch.
@josuereyes4022
@josuereyes4022 8 лет назад
Exactly!!! Finally someone who understands
@aovint63
@aovint63 8 лет назад
+bighands69 The JL is great and I think Chopard LUC is worth considering as well.
@uzeyrhassan
@uzeyrhassan 7 лет назад
JLC pretty high end to me
@m3chris1
@m3chris1 5 лет назад
All heavy hitters. Would throw in a patek also.
@fadeawaynator
@fadeawaynator 10 лет назад
Can you do one for everyday watches.
@adart2496
@adart2496 4 года назад
i want to like the FP Journe, but those hands are, to me, just goofy. Too casual. Very forward movement, though. Great looking. The VC Pat. Traditionnelle is super comfortable on the wrist, but not as comfortable as the VC Patrimony.
@johnmorrison8351
@johnmorrison8351 5 лет назад
I would normally say Lange every time, but that VC might just edge the Saxonia...
@jameswestconsultant
@jameswestconsultant 2 года назад
The CB is now trading for $100K 🙌🏻
@ianttha1niqua424
@ianttha1niqua424 10 лет назад
F.P. Journe!!
@MrSoymilk2
@MrSoymilk2 5 лет назад
JLC MUT Perpetual in steel is $20k and PWNS all three of these.
@555Gear
@555Gear 10 лет назад
Two words: can't lose.
@gabrielfaure9091
@gabrielfaure9091 6 лет назад
I honestly don't know why Vacheron is in the holy trinity and Lange is not
@dineshjiawan
@dineshjiawan 9 лет назад
Lange, thin dress watch without second hand, is better than these three.
@anupmeshram3942
@anupmeshram3942 5 лет назад
37mm is the best for everyone .i think. It looks more elent than fp
@tablon8539
@tablon8539 7 лет назад
I cant believe the audio editing, the cleaning has been made with an app.?
@ZombiesOnDrugs101
@ZombiesOnDrugs101 3 года назад
That Vacheron tho
@SuperEmlo
@SuperEmlo 7 лет назад
Lange best...
@jaywalking89
@jaywalking89 2 года назад
Watched this so many times. Wish they made more for all price ranges!
@Lumani
@Lumani 6 лет назад
Where do you find an FP for
@Rancid_Ziggy
@Rancid_Ziggy 3 года назад
You need a flux capacitor
@xcofcd
@xcofcd 10 лет назад
I'd buy the Lange
@jasonwan163
@jasonwan163 5 лет назад
Under 20k for chronometre bleu? Its so crazy how 5 years just changes everything
@pavy415
@pavy415 9 лет назад
Plus tax over 20000 lol you should haggle like archie recommends pay cash and get 20 to 25 percent off or buy it second hand
@dlhussain81
@dlhussain81 10 лет назад
1. Lange 2. VC 3. FPJ
@jamesshepherd8565
@jamesshepherd8565 8 лет назад
when did rolex stop making their movements in house? lol
@vagabond-yj8pn
@vagabond-yj8pn 10 лет назад
Its better to look good than to feel good.
@larrythe1st605
@larrythe1st605 8 лет назад
Does anyone know, how much fp journe's service cost?
@Rubeomonte
@Rubeomonte 7 лет назад
Presently 1320€ VAT included in Paris, including case polishing and a new leather strap.
@DJogdog
@DJogdog 6 лет назад
They all look like the same person at various stages of his life.
@richardman28
@richardman28 4 года назад
FP Journe for me.. but you cant get this watch for under 20000. Maybe at retail but that's virtually impossible..
@Ms-og3lz
@Ms-og3lz 5 лет назад
3 clones, ça fait peur! 😰 sinon je ne pense pas que la Journe soit trouvable à 20 ou moins 😇
@norra124
@norra124 10 лет назад
JLC Master Ultra Thin beats them (imo) for less than half the price.
@ShagBets
@ShagBets 10 лет назад
Agreed
@fastcougar3200
@fastcougar3200 10 лет назад
Zenih Ultra Thin will beat JLC too for about the same :reason:
@norra124
@norra124 10 лет назад
fastcougar3200 Not quite as elegant as the JLC. Also, I don't like the 9 o'clock subsecond or the 40mm width. Now if they'd reduce the size to 38mm and moved the subsecond to 6 o'clock, it would still not be as elegant and thin as the JLC.
@fastcougar3200
@fastcougar3200 10 лет назад
Noraddin Ghafel Yes, also people in Middle Ages have worn small panties and large boleros around their necks. If you wear those today one's might think you're a clown. Same with the watches or anything related to fashion. Now, who made this rule that a dress watch must be under 40mm? A dwarf? What dress you best is something perfectly proportioned for your wrist so a 44mm Pam will dress for a 8" wrist. A 40mm will have a chance too but for sure no big ones should wear a 37mm dresser in this century.
@norra124
@norra124 10 лет назад
fastcougar3200 While I do agree on your point made about watches fitting different sized wrists, there are watches that are big for a reason. A diver is big because it's supposed to withstand dings and the likes (that you don't expose your dress watch to), and a bigger/thicker watch will distribute the force of the pressure under water better than a small thin watch. When you make a dresswatch 40mm+ wide, and that's a 3 hand watch that maybe has a date complication, the watch will just look like a dinner plate. This is why I PERSONALLY would never wear a 39mm+ dresswatch, unless it's a chronograph or if it's complicated, (or just really special and unique in its design). Watches aren't fashion, nor are watches classed under jewelry. A watch is an instrument that tells you the time, therefore, function is more important that "what is in". Besides, watches became large in the late 90s/early noughties, and I really believe (and hope) that the craze for oversized time-pieces will eventually die.
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