Thrustmaster AVA Unboxing and Test Flight 

Hi Bonnie, Your words are thoughtful and warming to any father who reads them. I am sure your Dad was very proud of you throughout his life which he lived large. ps I am a grandfather 76 yrs young.

Umm, what are you smoking? Thrustmaster has been some of the ~most expensive sticks on the market for the past 15 years. haha Saitek, Virpl, and Winwing are all cheaper.

@@ImpendingJoker the thrustmaster t16000m has been the standard entry level stick for like 10-15 years now. You can get the stick, throttle and pedal combo for less than £200. The cheapest you could get a stick from virpil right now is about £340. That's for the warbrd base and warbrd grip. You do not get a throttle or pedals with that. Cheapest option for all three from virpil would be about £800.

We still don't know a lot about the two FFB bases coming out. I'm holding out to get one of them but I want to see a lot of reviews first. My guess is Thrustmaster is waiting on the competition to make all their mistakes. Then come out with one of their own that takes all the lessons learned from their competition to give a well polished product. This product will be for those who can't afford or don't want a FFB stick but want something midrange. I have no doubt TM is going to release a FFB base with in a year or two of their competition. But, man, that Moza FFB base looks real nice.

Always funny when some guys come and post useless toxic comments below content creators vdieo made for fans. Like you need in your life to spread your hanger... without Thrustmaster there won't be virpil, winwing or other exotic brands that just release copies... Now for FFB, let's see how it flies, at which price but ot sure i have the room to fit these huge boxes in mys et up

@@aquamich129 I'm not spreading my hanger. I'm using all my hangers for my shirts. That said, if you think virpil and winwing are releasing copies of thrustmaster kit, you're badly misinformed. The innards of this thrustmaster stick are clearly designed after the internals of virpil, winwing, and similar high end hardware. Thrustmaster have never built a stick with this style of internals before, so clearly if anyone is copying anyone, it would be TM. That said, I'm not bothered that TM are making similar internals, it's a great design. It's just that they should have been making this stick 5-10 years ago.

oh this would be a great video

Second that. Would love to see it reviewed by the good channel creators like Ward.

Yeah. Moza's FFB-stick looks really promising. Can it be a game changer? Literally?

@@NiklasAndersson7 FFB makes a lot of difference in anything that's not complete FBW. As someone else just wrote somewhere recently: Flying without FFB is like flying with broken trim. This is especially true for helicopters.

What is a midrange non-FFB? because this kit looks like it to me :)

I'd say VKB Gladiator is mid range. 220$ give or take depending on which grip you chose

This thing is so uninteresting with the Moza AB9 on the horizon and WinWing Cyber Taurus as well. Soon the days of having to put yourself on a 2 year wait list for VPForce Rhino finally will be over. And Asobo put FFB support to "planned for FS2024+" as well. Finally, was about time that sim getting support.

Absolutely agreed. Unless Thrustmaster has a seriously amazing FFB base coming out pretty much immediately, then this whole AVA adventure is just "a day late, and a dollar short" unfortunately. Thrustmaster has finally caught up to VKB, Virpil, and Winwing, but 5 years too late. I had a warthog for 10 years, and regretted it for about 9 of those. I've had a VP Force Rhino FFB base now for a year though and there is just NO going back.... EVER. The FFB functionality on that thing is just truly sublime and is still constantly improving, almost daily. Ward, please pick up a Rhino, it's just a work of art. You won't be disappointed.

@@LotusSimulations Totally this. I got my Sidewinder FFB2 back in 2003 and was late to the party with that. After coming from the cheaper Precision 2 (the Pro before that which followed the 3D Pro, before that I had a Gravis Analog Pro) and trying my first HOTAS with the Saitek X45, I was completely disappointed of both the rudder rocker and the stick spring and that FFB2 was like salvation. A few months later, the rudder axis broke, bought a second one and it happened again (both are the red LED ones, basically 2nd gen, the first were green), so I decided to pick up rudder pedals, which were the Simped Vario Pro USB in 2005. I then tried the G940 from Logitech in 2011 (off of eBay) and was completely floored by the bad hysteresis filter thingy as well as the extreme slack in FFB around the center and also the way more gear-grindier FFB, I knew I wouldn't use it for long and since I heard about the wiring being too short in the throttle, I quickly went away from the idea of using that at least, sold the whole set at a loss of around 20 bucks and bought a used TMWH. Stick went right into the wardrobe to collect dust after a quick try in the A10. Buttonology was absolute amazing, but I basically flew like a fricken derp and couldn't even hit a barn with the GAU because of that utterly devastating spring. And thusly I'm running the TMWH throttle + FFB2 combo ever since and only replaced the Simpeds with MFG Crosswind and added two Saitek quadrants for more sliders (which aren't that great BTW, the pots spike a lot and need regular servicing, which sucks - my FFB2 is old enough to have beer in the US and doesn't do any of that). Wanted to get the Rhino, but had to get my PC upgraded first and now the waiting time is said to be somewhere in between 6 months and 2 years. With the Moza on the horizon, I guess I'll skip that while also hoping that the Moza will be less expensive. And since it is sold through their shop, I'd have the option to pay in rates via PayPal, which is rather convenient for me in case of bigger investments. So I don't have to save up right now to get it... ^^

I fly Mustang but haven’t tried AVA with it yet. Would put on medium springs for that.