right?? i understand how a lady would be expected to be gracious, but what the hell does “graciously” taking a bite look like lol. be courteous and kind to the sandwich you’re eating ladies!
I'm so glad you guys mentioned the "graciously " faux pas. And a good reminder not to go online acting all fancy unless an educated friend can gracefully skim your content for errors.
And for Heaven's sake, NO pinky crocking or raising. Your little finger is not an elegant accessory - it is simply a useful part of your hand. You'll definitely announce yourself as a parvenu if you do that 😀
I do not recall at any point being told or shown that it was good etiquette to WEIGH your sandwich down with one hand while awkwardly using a knife with the other to carve a fragment off which you then place in your mouth... with your fingers. Knife AND fork or finger sandwiches - not some daft hybrid of both approaches. She doesn't have the faintest idea what she's talking about in most situations 😕
@@primetimehomewell some cultures have a very very specific references of bodily markings such as tattoos so if I’m their eyes women who follow their culture not elegant enough..
I’m sorry if I went on a date and a man “led” me to my seat by my arm and then sat next to me and then started doing everything for me id be so fucking uncomfortable 😭😭
Jarvis and Jordan not knowing that women are so commonly taught how to sit properly is crazy since its just such a normal thing for women to be told about lmao. Also this episode of the podcast was by far my favorite
being told to sit like a lady fucking sucks. it mostly happened whenever i was visiting my cousins or whenever we went to a restaurant. it sucked in general but was worsened by the fact that i was trans and didn't know it yet. fortunately i don't remember it happening to me a lot at home (unless there was a formal event or a birthday party) or at school, since the people around me weren't really formal at all. it still sucked whenever it actually happened. i'm so glad i don't have to do that anymore.
@@HaidebugCreates the gross thing that it was likely all made up for some men who couldn't keep their thoughts to themselves and it was made a woman's job to prevent that
Okay but the "sitting like a lady" thing we were all nagged for growing up was kinda insidious. The reason adults finding sitting with your legs even slightly parted to be "unladylike" is because they see it as something sexual. They tell us over and over that spreading our legs is "unladylike" but we can't understand why. All we're able to learn is that there's something inherently wrong with our bodies that should make us and others around us uncomfortable.
I'm a trans man, and I can't sit with my legs apart because I absolutely picked up on this connotation even as a small child. I still instinctively don't want to be "indecent" (to the point I'm a virgin because I'm so paralyzed by the idea of being "dirty'). Interestingly I'm way less bothered when I wear a packer, but not because of having a more masculine crotch, it's because there's another rather thick layer of material "shielding" my parts, thus making me feel less "exposed" even though I'm literally wearing at least two layers of fabric regardless! I still live with my mom and although she accepts me as a man, she insists on calling me a whore for dressing even slightly "immodestly" in the heat of summer when I have to be out in the sun for hours... She's fully aware I literally had one kiss in my teens and NOTHING since :') I guess even though I'm an adult since I have nothing "worthwhile" to "advertise" (I'm infertile) it's horrid for me to show any skin, and I couldn't possibly have any reason to ACTUALLY engage in that kind of intimacy :') The wildest part is my entire immediate family is atheist or agnostic so it's not even any concept of "sin". Purity culture is utterly disgusting and pervasive far beyond its means.
@@vaughnhaney7020 Right? Christian dogma has a chokehold on the whole of our culture. And what you said about feeling "exposed" really, truly encapsulates it all. Even though we couldn't understand it as kids, something about spreading our legs, something about having a body regarded as (and degraded as) female, just left us feeling vulnerable. Left us feeling deeply uncomfortable with exposure.
@@karaleigh_eva The fact that two layers of fabric over a body part that is mostly internal (and thus absolutely no detail can be seen at that point) can still feel "exposed" says a lot by itself tbh
The weird thing is that in Kindergarten I was trained to not sit with my legs crossed since it would cut off the bloodstream of my legs. But then when I went to elementary school every girl did it and then I was trained on that. Now I just do what fits the situation, but I do like "spreading" my legs a bit more than would be accepted by this woman.
6:39 I love that Chad is gripping her mic like a goblin with the pinky all fucked up, Jarvis is holding it normally and then Jordan has to hold it in a high class aristocratic british manner. It works well with their personalities.
It looks the other way around. Chad gripped it delicately, and Jordan looks like he mashed his hand into the microphone until the bones broke and the microphone was stuck.
once as a waitress for a fancy restaurant, they asked me to place customers' napkins on their laps for them and I was like no that's super awkward and infantilising, doing that FOR A DATE?? that's insane
Ew- that’s such an unreasonable ask for a waitress and seems like a weird erosion of boundaries. And as a patron, my fight or flight response would activate if a waitress did that.
i have this autistic thing where i HAVE to announce when im going to do any private thing (getting into shower, using the bathroom, changing clothes, etc.) cause for some reason i believe if i dont im at risk of someone STORMING IN WHEN IM DOING MY BUSINESS, i think i would be the ladylike community worst nightmare
@@lizzie31 honestly i dont know sometimes when im sleeping at my friends house i even feel a little anxious for HER not telling that shes going to shower (even tho im the only one there and i KNOW SHE IS SHOWERING) cause i just feel like anyone can come in at any time
Same. I have Lupus and I can be violently ill at times. I was just meeting my friend for coffee and I had to go home because something triggered a migraine.
Them being like “ladies do NOT make sandwiches” for a bit while completely circumnavigating the very common “get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich” thing directed at women is so good for my soul
6:42 This is probably weird to point out, but it’s actually really nice to see that Jarvis didn’t actually touch Chad Chad when he was talking about the guy making a move. I feel like most people would and he just gestured it. Chad Chad probably would have been okay with it but it’s just nice to see he didn’t touch her randomly without asking.
@@naysha323 I know. All men should behave this way. Unfortunately they don’t sometimes. Jarvis is a good guy for being respectful though so I’ma say it.
The truly ✨elegant✨way to get a waiter to come over is to send them “Look At Me” vibes while you stare at them with your eyebrows raised until you eventually make eye contact
@@karenbertke3149 I call bs. You waited TWO HOURS to talk to someone? You just…… sat there? How are these waiters supposed to go over and help you? They got their tables and you weren’t assigned to them. Not their problem. Shouldn’t have waited TWO HOURS before you finally decided to tell someone. Ffs. 🤦
I have spent the last like 10 years undoing my “ladylike” training i recieved from my mother and grandmother. Went to a restaurant yesterday and just enjoyed the food. Elbows on the table, shoving food into my mouth, dipping the food in sauce. The only “ladylike” training that i still do is dont talk with my mouth full which i think everyone should do, partially full is fine i just think it makes sense to not talk when you are going to blow food out of your mouth when u try and speak
I remember being in a restaurant with my ex step mother when i was about 8/10 and i had my elbows on the table. She smacked them and said "it isn't lady like to have your elbows on the table." For a solid 10+ minutes after i tried to figure out how to eat without putting my elbows on the table and i for the life of me couldn't figure it out and had a melt down i was sobbing because i felt stupid. But jokes on her, not lady like to cheat on your husband, abuse his daughter, and get high but at least she didn't put her elbows on the table.
@@SuperInconspicuousWOAH that took a turn- I have a fun fact for you! Apparently the "elbow on table = bad" stems from how sailors would ALWAYS eat with their elbows on the table, so if their plate/dish started sliding from the rocking boat, it wouldn't get away from them. Then people (who? Dunno) would watch people eating, spot this sailor behavior, and kidnap them to force them to sail them somewhere :) this might totally be a myth, but it's kinda fun either way!
@@DreamtaleEnjoyer you're right, that is kinda fun/funny sounding but yeah thats all my life really is lmao a series of "wtf was that 180° turn holy jesus"
i had a spinal cord injury when i was little so i didnt have full control over my legs, and on multiple occasions i had doctors/nurses close my legs for me so i could 'sit more ladylike' 🙃 this was at like 7-8 years old
@@hamburger7243 oh trust me I was not happy lol! I had (tbh still have) the habit of just smacking ppl who touched me so that's how it ended up going most times
@@rattian1976 I could pick them up to move them but it was tricky so definitely not ideal. there is a general problem of some doctors moving disabled patients into the 'right' posture without taking into account that the person might already be sitting in their most comfy position, and they can't always get back to that easily without effort or even pain
I was raised with being chastised for not sitting “ladylike” as a kid myself. Now I tell my kids to sit however they deem fit/appropriate, but I do tell them to be mindful when wearing dresses or skirts. I use the exact same language for all of my kids - including my son, because if he wants to wear a dress he can.
My mom specifically told me and my sister not to cross our legs when sitting because it's bad for our circulation or whatever. But I'm a rebel so I did anyway
As a kid with chronic issues and A LOT of back / orthopedic issues I absolutely hated the "Close your legs!" and "Sit modestly!" I especially remember this one moment from my very early childhood where I was sitting next to our small kindergarten stage, really nervous to play my part as little snowflake #7 or something, when my mum, from the audience, told me to "Sit right" (it was a really small stage). It really stuck with me. I'm 100% certain that sitting in that extremely uncomfortable position all the time contributed to my feet and leg issues at least in some way. Please don't do this to your children. I was like, four or five years old. I STILL remember it. Just let your female child be a child
i mean, thats the most comedic option. I'm just imagining a bleached blonde girl saying "Excuse me. One moment" and then going on one of those movie montages where she travels to every place in the world but through all her travels she has yet to find a b*thr00m because she's not allowed to say it
As a trans man I remember my dad used to get so upset if I did anything not ladylike. One time my brother gave me a marker tattoo. It was an anchor on my arm, my dad was pissed at him for doing that. Also my dad said don't be a lesbian when I wanted a pickup truck. all I can think is don't worry I'm not I'm actually a dude.
Dude I'm legit a transman with a big anchor tattooed on my forearm! Similiar childhood story too! But we made it, man! I'm sorry I better finish reading this comment, sorry, but hey anyway!
finished it: totally get the second part. I used to just feel so dishonest dating girls pre transition and feel guilt like "if you fancy women at least like lesbian ones" and like "am I a traitor?" Haha, nope just trans.
The “casually sit next to her” video is weird af. I’d be so annoyed if my fiance boxed me into a table cuz he sat next to me and then started treating me like a child
Ikr? That’s what I thought about too. If the seats you’re at are booths you can end up trapped on the inside. If you’re in normal chairs and the table is against the wall, same issue. However, what perplexed me most is: The tables in the video were like… benches??? Not a great idea for people to sit on the same side of those and put the whole thing off balance. Really, aside from the fact you can’t face each other completely and comfortably while talking, and aside from the fact that there will be an entire unoccupied side of the table that looks freaking weird when you’re not expecting other guests… all of it seems kind of deliberately uncomfortable and like it’s an attempt to cage the woman in and make her either feel a false sense of intimacy/closeness, or allow you to constantly touch her during the rest of the tips (the napkin thing, etc). I absolutely hate it and ngl if anyone did that to me I would immediately freak out a little. Especially on a first date? Urgh.
That just seems normal. My parents said it's supposed to be a gentleman's role to lead the lady to her seat and care for her. Maybe it's another thing of things changing in today's world though.
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 Once again, you are completely wrong! No, it is NOT the "gentleman's" role to do any of that! "It's a nice thing girls like". Lol, no, it is not. Why do I get the feeling that you have never even been on a date before?
I don’t know if anyones mentioned this, but a lot of this advice was pulled straight from a 1950s manners book. I think these people really want to live in the 50s.
I prefer sitting side by side bc I'm extremely uncomfortable about eye contact, and it's easier to avoid it if I'm sitting parallel with whoever I'm with!
Same here but more cause I get super anxious when people watch me eat than cause of eye contact. I’ve just started asking people if we can sit next to each other instead of across though and so far no one’s seemed to care:)
I did once jokingly snap my fingers at a restaurant because we couldn't see any servers. It turned out there was apparently one somewhere behind me, because he did come over. I immediately apologized.
As a server, once a guy at one of my tables that had already paid shook his glass of ice as I walked by. I took that as a signal he needed another drink but when I went over to ask him he got embarrassed and felt bad and I just had a good laugh lol. It happens sometimes
This reminds me of a running joke in a manga where a giant woman called Amazoness says "A maiden weighs the same as two apples" whenever she's called heavy.
wait what does that mean? like, "the prim and proper lady you're looking for doesnt exist" or like "you just haven't seen apples big enough to fit the scale of who i am"? i dont get it lol
I love how Jarvis and Jordan don’t try and argue with Chad Chad about the sitting thing or anything. I know it’s a small thing but I feel like most men aren’t willing to listen to stuff like that and they try and turn it into being about them and how they can’t sit comfortably anymore cause feminists complain about manspreading or whatever. Idk I guess I just really love that they listened to what she had to say instead of brushing her off or trying to shut her up and invalidate her experiences. But yeah, they’re all funny and cool and commenting helps the algorithm so yeah idk
fr! i honestly felt surprised when they both just...*listened to her* talk about it without immediately taking the opportunity to speak as soon as there was a space inbetween words
wow that "how to act like a gentleman" thing really does just boil down to "treat her like a child" Also, I saw one of those videos was titled 'what do you get a millionaire for a gift?' Idk, "Das Kapital" would be funny.
That just seems normal. My parents said it's supposed to be a gentleman's role to lead the lady to her seat and care for her. Maybe it's another thing of things changing in today's world though.
I used to get in trouble for how i sat all the time as a kid. Its part of what made me want to be a boy so bad. Then i grew up and said eff all that. It doesnt matter as long as im not putting my shoes on peoples furniture or something outright rude like that
I had all male cousins so had the same thing of wanting to be a boy cos they got to do whatever they wanted. I always thought it seemed so much easier - even just having a wee. As you say there's no point to it and as long as you follow what's polite for everyone (not gender specific) then you're fine
i was told to say "may i use the powder room"/"excuse me, i'll be right back" it made me feel so ashamed of going to the restroom. i dont even say bathroom anymore because i was so indoctrinated. smh 😔
“Excuse me, one second.” *stands up and leaves the table* “Wait- btu where are yo-“ “Excuse me, ONE SECOND.” “Ok but where are your goin-“ “IM GOIING TO SHIT.” “Oh.. ok, alright… um… have fun?” “*ahem* I’ll only be minute! Or a couple!” *walks away /like a lady/*
i dont know what the difference is in the mics, but i love how chad chad's voice sounds much more natural in this, i dont know if maybe its less filtered through the editing process or just a bit tired that day but sounds much more personable in this video than normal, and thats a quality chad chad usually emanates
Really old school formal seating arrangement etiquette calls for seating couples side by side and not across from each other, probably because etiquette also called for other specific rules like splitting conversation time between people to either side of you and not really across from you. As well as arrangement of people and other weird rules. Sitting beside your date when it’s just you two at a table is so weird and absolutely does not seem like a good idea, or even a formal one.
I absolutely despise the “sit properly” “close your legs.” My mom has been saying to my younger sister “close your legs I can see your liver” and I always speak up and say “why are you looking/trying to look at her vagina?” And my mom gives me this look that means to shut up. It just baffles me that my mom would be super descriptive about that, I get it’s important to be self aware, but to be actively looking to see if parts of the body are visible is down right weird. Mind you my sister is 12 and I’m 19, and I too was told to always close my legs and sometimes I do it by default from being told a lot as a kid.
Its crazy how often people try to correct a child for not sitting properly just cause shes a girl. Tho when i was a kid any time I'd have someone try to correct me I'd just go out of my way to sit as "unladylike" as possible. The amount of times i responded to someone's correction by swiveling around and laying upside-down with my legs on the back of the couch was ridiculous
Wow, that's so crazy for me that Jordan and Jarvis were surprised about the "rules of sitting like a girl", because I live in a completely different part of the world and I did recognise it immediately. Misogyny knows no borders, how beautiful :") /s If there are some boiz in the comments, interested in how to determine whether a position is or is not ladylike, here I come: Imagine a girl sitting in this position. Then imagine she isn't wearing any trousers nor underwear ("wow, that's kind of creepy", any reasonable person would say, "why would anyone imagine a little girl half naked, just because they saw her sitting?". Have no fear, my friend, misogyny knows no reason). So if this girl's (who isn't naked, but we imagined she is for some reason) cooch is visible, she's sitting in an inappropriate position.
Yeah I think that type of misogyny runs rampant in Slavic countries (other countries as well but I only ever interacted with Slavic people). I'm from Croatia and I remember when I was 10 my German teacher started yelling at me in class that I was sitting inappropriately because my legs were open not pressed onto each other, I wasn't even wearing a dress or a skirt that day. The worst thing is that there is no way he could see how I was sitting unless he was specifically looking there.
If you slice the sandwich it just actually makes a smaller sandwich. If you imagine when you go to places they have sandwich platters of tiny sandwiches. So if you have to graciously cut up a big sandwich it makes a smaller sandwich which ofcourse you cannot eat it all you must slice it... which would make a smaller sandwich which means you can't shove all that in you have to make a slice of the smaller sandwich so it's a tiny sandwich and again... you cannot shove it all in you have to graciously cut the tiny sandwich into a micro sandwich which again... you can't shove it all in you have to graciously cut the micro sandwich ...
The sandwich thing made me so unreasonably annoyed that I went to my kitchen to make a messy grilled cheese sandwich and eat it in the least “ladylike” way. I never really understood why I had to be ladylike and because of that I made a lot of women in my life mad when I just refused
12:33 I actually got told growing up (afab) that it was "rude" and stuff to sit like that, particularly at a table. I always got told off for it. It was super annoying and I never really got a real explanation
I already dont like when people do things for me without asking because I'm disabled (one arm) this would put me into a fit of rage. This is so fucking infantalizing its making my skin crawl out of cringe and anger.
I did develop an eating disorder when I was little ‘cause my grandmother would force me to eat when I told her I was full. She’s tell me “you won’t be strong and ladylike if you don’t eat” and wouldn’t let me leave the table until I’d eaten every morsel. I slowly ate less and less and I became very thin. But I’m okay now, my mum helped me eat again. Please to parents/relatives/friends, don’t abuse the food consumption of your child. Advise and explain what they are eating, show them how certain things affect the body. But do NOT punish/threaten your child over food. It will scar them for life.
I was only told to take as much as you can eat and you must eat everything you take. It was less a ladylike thing and more a "We're poor and can't afford to waste food" thing. Apparently my grandmother kind of got this stuck in her head from the great depression.
Re: ladylike sitting, I remember once in elementary school for picture day they were having the girls sit with their legs together and the boys were allowed to have one knee up. I was wearing pants and wanted to sit like the boys were for my picture, and the camera guy had such a problem with it and wouldn't let me. I just remember having noooo fucking clue why it was so important I not sit with my knee up, it was so annoying. Also shout out to a high school science teacher who said the way I was sitting was "unladylike" and I just asked him what if I don't want to be ladylike, and he seemed almost baffled by that lmfao.
The reason for the sitting etiquette for women is cause we used to wear dresses all the time. Still doesn't make total sense but a little more than it does now with pants
i imagine that was the original intention, but I only ever wore jeans and pants as a child, and I was still being scolded for sitting my knees too far apart.
But if you were wearing a dress, no one would be able to see how your legs were anyway. With a skirt maybe, but skirts weren't really allowed back then.
as a girl i never had to deal with the sitting etiquette growing up, didn’t know it was a thing tbh. i was sitting all sorts of ways and no one ever said anything to me. i must’ve just been lucky. like i even grew up in tennessee so u woulda thought i had heard of this before now.
“Excuse me, one moment.” ???? Me to my husband: “Yo I gotta piss hella bad.” Him: “I love you SO much.” Pick better partners instead of policing your vocabulary dude wtf
Gross if a date sat next to me i would slip out to the bathroom and never return lol. I absolutely need them across from me if he was next to me putting stuff on my plate i would feel to insane to eat.
Sitting next to your date on the table is a teenager move, though. That's first date stuff. I feel like adult couples sit across from each other so we can look into each other's eyes while eating, talking, and flirting.
Aside from all the "sit properly" shite all AFAB people were put through, I was also forced to attend an etiquette class when i was like 7-10. All I remember is that the salt and pepper shakers are married?
Was surprised to hear a snippet of the DENNIS system for making a woman obsessed with you. I’d love to see y’all watch that episode of Always Sunny to see your reaction to that system.
I remember being a kid, wearing jeans, and sitting with my legs barely even spread and I had a teacher tell me to “put an apple between [your legs] and keep it there”
And i got called gay for crossing mine. Like mother fucker turn the heat up and i wouldnt have to tie myself in a knot. This was the teacher/pastor btw
Apparently, you can’t eat foreign foods either cause a lot of foreign foods from foreign countries culturally put more food on top of their sandwiches, or in the bread that they’re eating or whatever
I had bad adhd legs and couldn’t sit normally ever and it annoyed my dad so much at dinner he told me “food wouldn’t digest if i didn’t sit normally” and to this day i subconsciously adjust my legs when i eat
I love how y’all and the rest of the amazing commentary RU-vidrs I have watched don’t judge people. I’m so use to people making sly comments or jokes about someone appearance if they’re overweight or something and it’s so rare to see. But it’s inspiring as I am on a spiritual journey learning to unlearn my habits of judging learned from society. It’s so refreshing to see. You all actually see people for being people and not objects or a laughing stock. Like for example the girl falling down with the wine glass or whatever. Some would assume she was on a dark path with the cigarette or make a not of those things. Or they would harshly judge her behavior as bad. Y’all basically just said nothings wrong her and she’s just dealing with regular things. I love the mindset you guys have. You guys also don’t make assumptions. You observe and then make your points and only call people out when their actions are wrong or negative. Just love you guys. I just started watching most of y’all today and I’ve been watching nonstop.
AGREED 100%. Especially being autistic and having SA trauma, one touch and I am GONE. And even without that, it's just common sense not to touch anyone without their permission, especially if it's one of your first dates... It baffles me how often people you don't know think it's okay to touch you when you're a woman
I recently moved and while sorting books I found one my dad bought me when I was five, a copy of "Tiffany's Table Manners For Teenagers" signed with "Time for an early start!" & "Love Daddy, July 1994, Age 5." My mom sighed when I told her I found it. I guess I spent the next few months perfecting my Irish wolfhound rendition? 😂 "You don't have to wait for your hostess to start eating, but don't leap at your food like an Irish wolfhound." I focused on the wrong bit? 😋
fun fact: this is part of the larger problem with diagnosing women with things like adhd due to huge differences in socialization. girls are often taught to regulate and control their movements and body from such a young age that the hyperactivity is more seen as dissociative rather than bouncing off walls physical hyperactivity. i find this stuff so interesting!
Sitting "ladylike" was a huge thing, yeah. Other things that weren't "ladylike," according to my grandmother, included leaving the house with wet hair and two-piece bathing suits (I distinctly remember her heatedly telling me about the bathing suits, when I was like 13, "That's how girls get raped!") I loved her to death, but what the hell, Grandma. Oh! Elbows on the table too, but that was more of a "manners" thing than a strictly "ladylike" thing.
@@CC-dc9sr In the winter, maybe, but we did live in Texas where it's hot the majority of the year. I do distinctly remember her telling me to go blow dry my still somewhat damp-ish hair before leaving because "it's unladylike." She mentioned getting a cold, but if I recall it was pretty warm outside that day. Blow dying does absolutely nothing to dry my hair in a timely manner anyway, it's so damn thick.
@@CC-dc9sr Really? Huh. I've never actually gotten sick from having wet hair, that I can remember. If anything I find having slightly damp hair refreshing in the summer, it keeps me cool.
The two piece bathing suit thing is so funny to me because my upper torso and bottom half are different sizes, so one piece bathing suits haven't fit since I was about 12. They're either dangerously loose up top or uncomfortably wedgie-tight on the bottom. 😂
I feel like I’ve just realized that whole debate around “man spreading” was mostly women being upset because women are expected to take up as little space as possible and “close their legs”. So we saw men sitting like that and were essentially like “hey! Sitting with your legs open isn’t socially acceptable” but forgot that it’s only unacceptable for us women. Damn, why does it take so long to realize how to word certain feelings?? I know other people have probably realized this before too, but I’ve never heard this opinion and it only just occurred to me because of the surprise expressed when Jordan and Jarvis heard that women are taught how to sit.
I totally agree that part of what's gross about manspreading is the misogynistic double standard, but spreading your legs in public, especially on public transport, is just rude. Leaving aside body shaming/genitals-are-bad norms, which we can all do without, it's inconsiderate and impractical, taking up space where someone else might sit. And then there's the whole weird, sexually aggressive part--I've definitely had dudes sit across from me on trains or on public seating, spread their legs and then make intense, deliberate eye contact. Basically, I am a fan of everyone keeping their legs closed while seated in most public settings. Like not to shame anyone, but just as a courtesy to share space comfortably with others.
I’m a legal adult and my great-aunt found out I am sexually active. She told me it’s not proper of a young lady to “engage with men” she is not married to. I told her it’s a good thing I’m not a lady and that maybe she should take her own advice considering she’s only 14 years older than her first child
@@DizzyBusy maybe but it’s also like not her business bc I’m safe, sane and consensual in the activities I do as an Adult. It’s sad she had a kid at 14 but it’s also like…. Not my concern nor will it happen to me
