The usmnt now have to get a better result vs Uruguay than Panama get vs Bolivia or risk getting grouped at Copa America. Reaction to the #USMNT vs Panama game and what’s next?
They may be irked by no yellow on contact to turner resulting in injury. Just a guess. Obvious red card on weah. This official has had his fair share of notably poor performances in past so there was also pent up frustration
@@tdaveniii honestly, players shouldn’t need a coach to tell them to maintain composure. With that being said, our changes at half and change in formation let us down
That's cheap from GGG blaming Weah the red card and the ref for the loss, when he made the changes that that lead to the loss, playing for a draw and inviting panama to hold all the possession, what did he think would happen, he's awful, they need to move on from him.
I don’t see a problem with blaming the red card. That’s accountability for Weah - as they said that was the single biggest factor leading to this loss.
@sonictreatment was it a factor yeah, but they still looked dangerous and scored after the red, and yes weah has to be held accountable I agree, but after the changes at HT he went fully defensive, and basically gave up on any attack.
The player was trying to provoke him, you could see it happen. Right before the call the guy bumped Weah. Weah then tapped him on the head, not hard enough to do anything because the Panamanian player didn't even react. He then did it again, but this time he was ready for the head slap and played it up. So yeah he did provoke him, but Weah didn't have to be an idiot and give the guy what he wanted.
Mistaking an explanation with an excuse is petty. Weah knew what he did, gave the background for it and apologized for it. His smack to the head sucked. Get over yourself.
When the coach is a failure and only is productive against concacaf teams and starts the excuses. Truthfully that ref did what he was supposed to but var changed his call. Then 4 mins after we scored Panama scored. A good coach would of adjusted but not this man I guess it's the spaghetti monster fault. Then when we needed energy he put in vickers the guy who performed so well outside of the Scottish league o ok let's blame his errors to on weah o wait how about the fact musah was still at bench oo I get it let's blame Horvath. Come on bro he's a garbage coach. Been a Trash coach only significant win is Mexico, no one is proud to tie England with Southgate is the coach.
Level of determination isn't coach but choosing players at certain situations are coaches. I coached for years I prepare my kids for different scenarios as a coach should. This man has had 5 years of failure outside of concacaf. It's embarrassing to see how he doesn't adjust no tactics. So if you don't think it's coaching then it's ok because you clearly haven't played outside of rec league lolol
@@zacharydunnack1205 Yeah right. That's why it took the ref all of two seconds when he watched the replay. It was a undisciplined, stupid play by Weah and it cost us a chance at advancing out of the group.
I'm a die-hard USMNT fan and im weighing my options here. Uruguay win my Betancourt and Araujo get the third win for their upgrade on FC24 and Berhalter gets sacked or USA wins and goes threw and Berhalter job is safe for 26 World Cup.
The only controversy really was when Panama got their red card, they didn't add time on for it. There's no way it was only 4 mins of stoppages when the Panama red card was 3 mins and the VAR check was at least 5 mins.
You guys are 100% correct, why are they all blaming the referee? His calls with VAR were accurate. It's disgusting to see the players and GGG blaming all on the red card. Take some damn responsibility on the horrendous tactics afterwards!!
I watch and play football more than you can imagine. And to your point, no the referee is not there to create chaos. The fact that they make mistakes it doesn't mean that they do it intentionally. Also, are you saying that the red card was not justified?
Feeling so bad for Timmy... can't begin to imagine what it's like to finally arrive at this level and never have experienced a player attempt to frustrate you, distract you and get your mind off the game. This is such a unique and unforseen circumstance he was in.... no professional player should ever have to endure such torment. His youth teams could have never prepared him for such cruelty and unsportsmanlike like conduct from an opponent. So not fair to expect him to have known better. Cheer up Timmy, wish I was there to give you a hug and some orange slices.
Watching Berrhalter's and Pulisic's reaction to the Weah red card tells me Berrhalter needs to go. Downplaying like it's just an unfortunate mistake that could happen to anyone. It's going to cost USA the biggest tournament 2nd to the World Cup. "Silly decision." It's a massive, stupid error that can't and shouldn't happen at this level and is completely unacceptable. Do they understand the impact that one action is going to have in the short term for USMNT as a whole? Who wants to buy a Pulisic Jersey after watching that game?
@@LRF49 I mean I get sticking up for Weah as a teammate and a buddy, but you have to denounce the action he did. What he did was stupid, unacceptable, and extremely costly for the team. They're not saying that. You can say those things and still say you support your teammate despite what he did, which I think they should do. But to act like it was no big deal just sounds like they don't take this performance/tournament or the results they get very seriously.
Blaming the ref is a cop out. If we can't beat Panama at home, we're not as good as we think we are. Uruguay will handle it's business. 15 Copas America isn't by coincidence. It's the oldest international soccer tournament in the world. The Uruguayan bench has better players than the US starting eleven.
What the heck was that formation to start second half? Just handed Panama 35 minutes of possession and US only had two chances all half to score. Waste of a coach, waste of a tournament, waste of a summer having berhalter in there
This an excellent conversation/analysis, that the USSF needs to watch. There needs to be many useful conversations this before 2026. The flaws in the current USMNT we know how to fix them, and you're not going to fix them with a Coach that blames the ref for a mistake made by a player, that the coach himself should have thought him not to make those kind of mistakes.
@@addosolar537 As,much as I didn't like seeing it...we either win a game that earns us some international street cred...or we can replace Berhalter!' Both are good in their own way
A critical group stage match in a major tournament on the USMNT isn't the time and place to be 'learning from mistakes.' Especially not one of this nature. Smacks a guy in the head 15 minutes in? Off the ball? Shouldn't be allowed to wear the jersey. It's an insult to every other player on that team and all the fans that support them.
The referee affected the game not with the red card, but because of how many fouls went unpunished! Matt Turner ‘s injury- not called. Pulisic’s pk shout? Not called. Americans hacked down, not called. 5:24
That is not the sole reason you lost the game. The frustration comes from a coach who doesn't know what to do and how to place players... very weak Greg to say that was the reason for the loss.
We all know Berhalter is incompetent, this position is to big for him! But his attempt at blaming the ref should be absolute proof to the US football federation that its time to move on.. he has the audacity to try to blame it on anything and everything but his player and himself! Time to move on for the good of the USMNT!
5:40 Great point Herc 👍 The Ref may have made some errors but they were decisive. The errors that we made were the reason we lost a game we should have won easily, or comfortably. I think Gregg's focus on the Ref shows that he doesn't do the work of forming a group character in the USMNT. These players are happy or not angry when they lose. The USMNT should have a much stronger personality by let's say a year ago. Now, Gregg is too late in dealing with this or fixing it, he's content with the relationship he has with the players. And the players say they like him.. I don't understand when in Soccer everybody is liking everybody but there are no results. Where are the results that normally come with liking each other USMNT? If this is what it means to be successful in liking each other, let the love turn to hate just bring on some positive results. The FANS want to see their national team WIN. Gregg is not the man for the job, maybe he was never the man for the job.
How can you blame the ref for that fiasco of your own doing? I mean he called Panama for NINETEEN fouls to only FOUR US fouls. And you bitch about that? He correctly called off the McKennie offside goal. He correctly called off the Panama penalty. Where was he "bad"? This is why Berhalter is HORRIBLE as a coach. He accepts no accountability nor holds his players to any level of accountability. Unless of course it's Reyna, then he holds him privately accountable and then leaks it to the media. Fire Berhalter as soon as this tourney is over. Enough with this amateurish bullshit.
that was complete show of his lack of experience. This is when you see how valuable experienced players are in tournaments like these where every single decision matters. This isnt a regular match season where you can lose a game and then get yourself back up. A red card that early carries more weight. He will have to learn from this or keep letting down his team.
5:00 Cpt. Keller is right! Don't blame the Ref. he was correct in his calls. It seemed during the game that the Ref was too tough, but you realize immediately that he was willing to admit his errors and correct himself based on what the VAR showed him. T. Weah made a silly mistake, but the bigger point is the USMNT as a Team is NOT mature enough , and this goes back to the COACH. It is the coach that selects the players and form the Team. The same concept in Marketing or Psychology, you have the Responsibility as the Leader (the COACH) to form the personality of the team. This team has no personality or is a weak as a group. It is also true that our players as individuals are very talented. We've seen this elsewhere where the individual players are talented but the team is weak. So, it's safe to safe Coach Gregg Berholter DID NOT FORM A GOOD Group. The question is: if you give him another year will he form a better USMNT? I don't think so, because I sincerely doubt he even realizes that it's his responsibility to form the group, or that they don't have a strong character. I see Gregg on the sideline celebrating the first goal and that gives me the impression that he himself is not convinced of the group or doesn't know how to form a National Team Group. They have to have the character of 1994, 1998, 2002... a group of players who want to WIN. You see them content with losing and then Gregg defends them and they like him... What is the Character of this USMNT? Is the Mission of US Soccer Fed, that the Players like their Coach? That's it? This coach doesn't reassure you he can even match the level of 1994 1998 2002 He should be a lot more ambitious than that, which he is not. Gregg Berhalter vs Panama was outclassed by Coach Christiansen. I like Gregg from back when he was a Player, and wished that he succeeds as USMNT head coach. Time to Smell the coffee, he will not do better than what we saw so far. He doesn't have what Bruce Arena had as coach, while he probably have better players now than 2002. We played some very strong national teams in 2002 - We BEAT Portugal & Mexico
Former USMNT Players like Casey and Herculez need to speak on behalf of the FANS. It is the US FANS who are the most important component of US Soccer. FANS endure a lot to come to the stadium and support their National team, not so the Coach or a players can be happy. The relationship works only in reverse. When the FANS are happy, then the players will be happy, then the Coach. I think with Gregg it seems that he thinks if the Players are happy with him, that everything. To simplify it further - WHERE IS THE RESULTS GREGG? Soccer in the United States is about making the US FANS Happy with the Results. The Results first, then also a beautiful level. A beautiful game is also important but without the result you're not going far enough to play enough games to show your beautiful soccer.
Yeah! Might not to swing twice and connecting in front of the whole country on a giant big screen tv and blaming the ref afterwards! Thanks now we gotta beat Uruguay with full starters!
The red card rule is horrible. Both teams got a red card. One team got a 2 minute penalty. The other team got a 72 minute penalty. Each red card should carry the same weight but they don't.
"Cost them the game." No it didn't Herc. One man's decision does not cost them the game. It certainly made things much worse, but Berhalter is to blame as well. Once again, bad decisions, bad player subs. What a mess. You talked about this later on in the clip, but a statement like that makes it look like it was all on Tim.
10:42 Exactly 👍 So, I can say Gregg underestimated Panama.. This normally is a mistake made by a Weak Coach. A strong coach will never underestimate any opponent, so the number of mistakes that Gregg made vs Christiansen, would not be made by better coaches. Bruce Arena would never consider Panama or any opponent an easy test. I don't think Steve Sampson ever made that type of mistake.
The red is warranted 💯. But blaming the ref and calling out the way he referees is also warranted. For those who don’t follow CONCACAF. The ref is known for not controlling games he is in charge of, thus allowing for players to get scrappy. Prior to Weah’s red, the game was already getting scrappy and you don’t even have to mention the miss card that should have been at least a yellow on Matt Turner collision. In the premier league that is normally a red (Everton v New castle) this past season. But then again calls made in CONCACAF arent called the same like in Europe. if the ref had more control of the game, Weah situation most likely doesn’t happen.
Blaming the ref is never a good look, but it's crazy how much you all are downplaying the no card decision for taking out Matt Turner. It's a clear yellow, and with there being little attempt to play the ball, could have been checked for red. "VAR fixed all his errors," and that's a problem too, because now the players can't trust any on field decisions, it's gotta all go to VAR. USMNT should have been much better, much more mature, but you also can't say that a better quality team of officials doesn't drastically change the result of this match.
The apology was a ploy to absolve GGG of his own role in the loss. Don't forget GGG has not one signature win, a few signature loses, and were one questionable (gifted) call away from being eliminated from the Nations League by T&T just last month.
This is a game where GB’s “superior cognitive skills” were needed, but he failed bc he has none. This is on Crocker and the US Soccer Federation as much as anyone, bc they hired him back citing “trust the process” and GB’s superior cognitive skills as the reason he was chosen. What a joke!
November 27, 2023, seven games ago, Sergino Dest lost his mental composure getting a red card costing USMNT a loss vs Trinidad and Tobago. Tim Weah's red card cost the USMNT the game and possibly degrouped us out of Copa America. Since that time USMNT Gregg Berhalter's record is 3 wins, 4 losses, and 1 tie. The question we need to ask ourselves as fans are we better off the last year with Gregg Berhalter?
Gregg is a horrible leader, the red card wasn't just the factor. He's substitutes and tactical standing was also a huge factor. He decided to defend and gave up on attack.
“He’s gonna learn from it.” 😂😂😂 There’s no time for y’all to learn from it!!! Quit learning from things and fvcking win games!!! Uruguay is going to dismember this team. Embarrassing.
It's incredible how the mediocre, inept manager's first soundbite is basically an admission that he didn't have his team properly prepared to face Panama.
It’s a punk move to blame the refs, when the squad isn’t good enough. This may be the us golden generation, but its average compared to European squads.
I feel so bad for Timo because if he had a proper manager he would have been mentally prepared to deal with that bullshit. This is on Gregggy. *He* should be the one apologizing 🤬 But that mfer's superpower is blame deflection.
@@ivand0007 Yes. The players don't respect the management. That's as clear as day. Discipline is built at practices. When the coach is your buddy, the players will do what they want.
@@ivand0007I watch college basketball as well. If a player would have don'e something stupid like that on the court a good coach would have LIT that player up off the court to make a statement to all the other players. That's what this team needs.
@@ivand0007 I've just erased several answers that might have been... well... mean. So the answer, without getting into oh so obvious detail, is yes. Yes I *am* blaming the 50 year old coach for the 20 year old's mistake.
America put themselves in the easiest group, look at their schedule Bolivia first then panama then Uruguay. They thought they would be in the quarter finals before reaching Uruguay guess all that matters now is panama beating Bolivia to knock out USA. Cause USA NOT beating Uruguay
Is anybody going to talk about Panama's cheap play removing a goalkeeper cuz you went full speed into him. Constant fouling and red cards ,provoking a player to push them in the head and this is soccer? Or is this trash ball by Panama agreed we got a keep our heads but that was ugly as f*** by panama
No they don't. The vast majority of teams lose games when a team is playing with 10. To prove my point, Ecuador and Peru lost in this tournament after going down a man.
@@LRF49 lol i can name tons of matches where a team won with fewer players. Peñarol 8 players vs Nacional 11 and they still won. You prove no point by thinking a team will lose just because they have 1 less player. You must be mexican. Dont tell an Uruguayan you know more about futbol than he does 🤡
La cago el convido de tortugas Cometiendo Errores infantiles todo el Equipo corren cómo tortugas no precionan Dan mucho espacio al rival son un Desastre
even if tim weah didn’t get the red card, Pepi and the rest needed to do better anyway and also against Bolivia they sucked.. yes we won but still sucked ..couple done much better
Hey Herc, the guy taking out our goalkeeper should’ve been ejected. Tempers are already high. With this flagrant aggression ignored, only then did Timmy’s frustration exceed his ability to control it. If the center ref had done his D@#& job, our team would’ve felt like they right to a fair game was upheld, Weah would _not_ have felt the same way when he was provoked, and the other team would be down a man early in the game. Completely different game! 100% How do you not see that?
You know, when a referee neglects to enforce the rules, the game quickly gets chippy. I was there, sensing the emotions of the fans and our team. Emotions were already high, but they went into overdrive when the Panamanian striker took out our goalkeeper. Dangerous play is encouraged when players believe the referee won’t enforce the rules. The referee already had a questionable reputation. The Panamanian coaches will have briefed their players on how likely he is to enforce the rules. The US coaches said they did. The center ref’s reputation created a situation where a goalkeeper had to leave the game. Hopefully, his injury isn’t career-ending or, worse, doesn’t create a lifelong disability. Not only did the referee fail to eject the dangerous player or even give him a yellow card, but the center ref didn’t even give a warning! By his inaction, the referee created a situation where the US teammates were on an emotional edge, resulting in one of Matt Turner’s teammates being ejected. With a different referee, the US wouldn’t be down a man, but Panama would be.
It's so sad and unfortunate to think , tha Tim Weah stupid and lack of concentration mistake it gona cost us to advanced to the next round and make history in own house😢
The fact that we scored AFTER the red card shows that we were capable of scoring more and getting out to a good lead early before further fatigue set in. Losing Turner was typical wimpy behavior from him, and no big loss since he is third rate at best. Sure wish we had Jesse Marsh leading us and not that idiot Berhalter.
My problem with the ref was letting Panama get away with so many moments that weren’t even remotely football plays that should have been yellow cards. The repeated dragging down of Balogan and the flying NFL tackle of Pulisic in the box (that shoulda been a PK) were the most egregious to me, but there were plenty of things that should have gotten carded and gotten this game reigned in. But the ref was not the biggest problem in this game at all. The red card (that was absolutely deserved) followed by the complete inability to adjust, and the totally cowardly move of not even trying to play after the half were 100% on the team.
These same “fans” would be calling for Berhalter’s head if he stuck with the 4-4-1 after halftime and Panama scored on a counter. At least Herc knows how hard it is to play a man down for over an hour. The US had a few quality chances in the 2nd half. Balogun had wide open teammates and chose to take a difficult angle on his shot. Same for Weah during Bolivia. Selfishness is the problem. That being said Panama revised and executed the perfect strategy to counter Berhalter’s changes to the lineup.
