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So a year ago my son was shopping new motorcycles as a fairly new rider and as an Indian chieftain owner, I obviously had him go look at the Indian scout and FTR1200. He ended up buying a Honda rebel 1100 with the dual throttle. He loves his new bike and after he sent me this video today we both agree that it was the right decision. I just wanted to thank you so much for taking the time to put this information out there.
The scout when it came out is what got me into motorcycles in the first place so it'll always have a sweet spot in my mind, but man that rebel has one hell of a presence in person! Both bikes look amazing the obvious answer is buy both haha
This is the 2nd video I watch from this channel. Clearly a lot of effort goes into the research and production. New subscriber. Excellent content. Beautiful comparisons!! Fabulous job 👍🏼
It looks so much better with a 2 into 1 exhaust, too. That just cleans up the right side of the bike and makes it look leaner, a big plus is the stock exhaust isn't covering anything ugly the 2 into 1 will expose. The bike is too small for me, most of our customers who have them are women. Also they've been very reliable bikes.
The scout is easily the most beautiful bike you can buy, so between the a rebel and scout, I'd buy a triumph bobber. But the smart choice is the rebel, most likely it will last 25 years and the cruise control plus abs breaks are the cherry on top.
I rode them both and ended up buying the Rebel. The classic good looks of the scout are undeniable; but, I’m coming from sport bikes so the sportier handling Rebel was very appealing. Regarding looks, since I’m not coming from the classic cruiser world a modern take on the look didn’t bother me. BTW, I do think the Rebel looks better in person than in pictures/videos. In a week of riding it, I’ve had a number of people come up and ask about the bike. Most were surprised it was a Honda-obviously, not Rebel 300 or 500 riders. :)
I was literally just thinking the rebel looks much better in person than on videos/pics. I picked mine up in DCT about a month ago. I love it! Ride safely!
@@supersonicslicer I got the DCT. I have other bikes, so jumping on something that shifts conventionally isn’t something I’ll miss out on. Regarding the DCT, for the test ride I’d say it’s analogous to the first time I drove a performance car with paddle shifters. For the first few minutes it seemed strange, and then you just let it rip and its amazing to just “click” a paddle and the shift happens so quickly and precisely. I agree with everyone that looks-wise, this is a different animal than all of the other traditional bobbers. It doesn’t look the way a traditional bobber does. There should be another category, maybe “sport bobber.” I’m still breaking the bike in, but so far, I haven’t found a handling limit slicing nice sweepers in Red Rock canyon. Just an amazing bike to cruise on...with a seriously nice hunk of “sport” in the equation.
@@jftuvell Thanks for the info! I test rode the honda ncx(?) which was a DCT as well and from a user experience it what really nice to not have to worry about shifting and all but it's one of the things I love about bikes. I ride a supersport (used to do street riding but now only ride on the track) and have wanted a second bike that is more comfortable for the street for a while and the rebel is perfect for that. I'm just torn between getting the DCT vs manual. I'll see if the dealer will let me test ride both and pick which one I like better.
I'm glad you made a comparison for both the Chief and Scout. Heck if you made a comparison between the Yamaha Raider and a z1000r... That would be awesome, especially for the virtual drag strip! Both serving different markets but still motorcycles nonetheless.
@@rmcalhoun4543 oofff that exhaust is hideous. I also like the looks of that V-twin from the scout sixty. That rebel engine is just a complete mess unfortunately.
Bought the Scout Bobber 20 mostly just because there's that something about it that made me fall in love. Great bike but the Rebel looks like it would be a great ride also. To each their own.
been riding a honda scooter for my commute but wanted something bigger for weekend fun. so a month ago at 60 i bought my first motorcycle .. the rebel 1100 dct. almost bought the phantom a few years ago, very glad i procrastinated! as soon as i bring the bars back a few inches i will have zero complaints (except the seat). i have no need or want for more power or speed. it handles great and is fun to ride
The dct on the Honda is a real game changer for day to day usage. I am actually surprised as to how little there is between the two bikes in terms of specs!
Excellent comparison! I love the real side by side numbers with clear explanations and no bones admitting what numbers couldn't be found. Adding a typical rider in the power to weight calculations is correct and brilliant, thanks! As a 5' 5" rider who is tall compared to some rider friends, it's difficult to see a significant difference between two riders both so tall, but the good pictures at least give a decent idea both bikes have room for much smaller riders, so that still helped some. It would be nice if future comparisons could use Bob's shorter wife if she's near 4' 11". Turning radius: Just don't, it's a wrench in layers of duct tape with a mound of flies in contaminated ointments stuck to it, tossed into rusty works after years of neglect, and sealed in a can of worms best left un-opened. I do wish I could compare turning radius, it's important to me. As a 2 wheel commuter, shopper, errand runner, I often turn very tightly and on rare occasions I make a U-turn in the isle between parking lines. I think I could not do this on some bikes I've tested, but I know familiarity would help if I owned them. The wheel base and lock-to-lock bar/fork angle gives a starting picture, however adding a modest 20° lean shortens the radius of my bike by more than two feet. More lean gives better results. Width of tires changes the amount of effect leaning has. Many people on the same model of bike will have very different turn radius depending on level of comfort with leaning at slow speeds and what speed they are confident keeping in a turn. Another factor is confidence in being at full lock when your body tells you you need play in the bars to maintain balance. Suppose we use the starter figure of a person walking the bike straight up at full lock? Newer riders would stop looking at many bikes that could not pass the testing requirements without lean. Owners would strongly object because all bikes can do WAY smaller circles than a straight up full lock radius. I think you gave us all the numbers we need to have an idea about which may be more nimble in general. Thanks again!
Thanks Randy, appreciate the feedback and you're welcome! In case you're unaware my 'Do I Fit' Series features 5'3" and 5'6" riders. I now have over 120 bikes tested in that series. You can find them listed alphabetically right here. tinyurl.com/DO-I-FIT-Videos
So, I got my Rebel 1100 yesterday. I was unprepared for just how powerful the bike is. In the day and a half I’ve been riding it, I’ve learned that if I’m going to even think about giving her just one of the beans, it’s best if I’m leaned forward and tensed enough to keep a solid core and firm arms so as not to be thrown off the back of the thing. Throttle isn’t even necessary to for take off in sport mode, and I don’t mean you can start out with a glacial feathering of the clutch. I won’t push the rpms so high yet, but I think it could hit 60 mph in third gear and under 4 seconds. There’s maybe two things I’d call downsides to the bike. First, I don’t think I’d recommend it to someone with more than a 32 inch inseam. Second, the padding on the saddle is probably the only thing I think Honda did to the bike as an afterthought; it’s fine for a jaunt around town, but it wears real thin on even a modest ramble of 20 miles or so.
I’ll also mention that I can hardly wait to slip a Vance and Hines muffler onto my bike. Then it will sound every bit as raw, powerful, and thrilling as she feels with every twist of the throttle.
Thanks for sharing the info Al much appreciated! Congrats on the new bike, nice choice! The Rebel 1100 is already proving to be a very popular bike. I'm sure it won't be too long before you have a few new aftermarket seat options to choose from along with a range of exhaust systems. I too am keen to hear how it sounds with a Vance and Hines muffler, that 1100cc parallel twin should sound awesome! 👍
BIL, I ended up with a TBR slip on instead of the Vance and Hines. It was $100 less, available months sooner, and I couldn’t be happier with how the bike sounds now.
I’ve got the 500 rebel in Thailand and it’s perfect for what I want here. But out of these 2 bikes I prefer the look of the Scout. But I’d like a rear seat.
Very well detailed review for the 2 bikes I’ve been contemplating. I love the look of Indian Scout Bobber but can’t beat reliability of a Honda. P.S Honda Shadow Phantom 750 was my first bike.
Great video. At 8:28 you show the Scout Bobber at $10,999 but that's without the ABS that the Rebel has - with ABS the Scout is $11,899. The local dealer has the Bobber ABS at $12,149 making the Rebel a much better value for the money. Money wise you'd need to compare the Rebel to the Scout 60 ($10,049 with ABS) which the Rebel CRUSHES.
Ok thanks for the heads up Gary. The ABS thing catches me out because all bikes have ABS standard in Australia, you can't buy a new bike without ABS now and it's something I don't even think about. I'll keep that in mind for future videos. Cheers 👍
Someone brought a rebel 1100 by our shop, I work for an Indian dealership and i got a good look at it compared to the indians next to it. Numbers are great and all, but that Rebel just oozes cheap. It's totally a tacked together use for a great engine, and you see why it's cheaper as soon as you look it over. I've been working on Triumph, BMW and now Polaris for over 20 years in dealerships, and a good 15 years before that as in independent mechanic working on damn near any bike that came in. The quality of european and American bikes really stands out when you look over the parts and finish, they're made to higher finish standards. Harleys I love the way they're made, but can't stand the damn owners for many reasons. Let's just say I don't like having to keep adult diapers around for them.
@@Oldbmwr100rs The Rebel oozes cheap and yet it will outlast the Indian with just a fraction of the repairs that the Indian requires. The number of people complaining that their Indian required almost immediate attention because of shoddy workmanship is shocking. The Rebel will outlast and outperform the Scout, Scout 60, Harley 883, Harley 1200 and on and on, .Buy Hey, I get that the lack of build quality and quality control on the Indian is what keeps you employed.
@@garyrivera895 oh, I know, so long as parts are around the rebel will be mechanically great. In working on indians the loaded cheifs have been a pain, but honestly the scouts have been pretty solid. Rarely mechanical problems,it's been the crap electronics more than anything. Have owned and worked on my share of Japanese bikes and cars and love the overall reliability. But the cruiser market in general is junk. Bikes cluttered with chrome crap like crash bars and stupid shiny bits that just make the bike that much harder to ride and take care of. Cruisers are marketed to people who know little about riding and just want a look. Sadly many end up with a bad impression of motorcycles after buying something that isn't all that good at or for anything.
@@Oldbmwr100rs HaHa, do you really think it matters to me that my Indian broke down but it wasn't mechanical - it was electrical? Either way, the bike doesn't run. So much for "quality" American bikes.
Probably the first video I've seen reviewing showing what a 6ft person looks like, I'm getting the rebel 1100 and come in at 6ft, but I'm also tiny, like 145 tiny. And this will be my first bike. I've pondered the rebel 500, but I'm lookin for beafish sound and when I get comfortable I still want a bit of power although don't ever plan on going Mach
*What's the widest rear tire can we put in the rebel? Is there an aftermarket swingarm available that will take a 280 mm Metz in the rear? If yes, I am sold.*
I'm on a Scout 60 myself. New rider for about 2 months now. I'm not into carving that much, and I love going fast. Both bikes are great, I got an Icon paint job, and GOD DAMN, she is pretty. Got her for a steal, or else I would have waited for a Triumph like I've always wanted.
@@adamrichmond6348 Its what I learned on. Great bike! If you get the regular Scout 60, not the bobber, there is extended reach options for the foot controls.
All these stats are great but I want to know what bike is cheaper service time and parts which bike is better built? Where are the parts and manufacturing done China America Japan
Would've liked to seen a comparison to a regular scout, which has at least an extra inch to the rear suspension, or the Indian Scout 60. The bobber is more of a specialty/novelty model.
Thanks BIL . I`ve just bought my second new Suzuki . My next new purchase will be the Honda Rebel . Maybe get an Indian in a couple of years . Already had a Harley . Love the bike life .
Well, this video helped me make a decision. Love the cruiser riding style, but like to be able to have fun on some twisties a little bit when I want to lol. I'm gonna get the Rebel 1100. Seems like such a fun bike to replace my '09 Kawi ER6N
Good comparison. This is sure to be a tough decision for many buyers. After riding both I bought the scout. I love it. Normally I prefer a full face helmet. But damn. Wearing a ww2 German style lid cruising through town I turn a lot of heads. And when I lay the hammer down? Fuuuuuuuuck
I just wish the Honda rebel had a belt drive instead of chain and it had the scouts handle bars. To me, it would then be perfect. Thanks for a great video.
As much as I like the harley bobber and even more so the scout; the smartest choice is the rebel. Enjoy your new ride brother, I'm right behind you getting one.
I am a fan of the rebel but obviously the scout is probably the best looking cruiser on the market. I only prefer the rebel because of the reliability and dct option. Btw, Don’t knock the dct until you try it. If you are all about the feel and control of your bike, the manual clearly wins. However, if you like to go for pleasure cruises and be able to free up 10% of your brain to take it all in, the dct wins.
Any chance you can or have compared the rebel to an Indian Rogue? Looking into these two for my first cruiser type of bike for longer rides as I currently own a sportsbike
The Honda seems to have all the bells and whistles but the scout has that nice classic cruiser look which the Honda lacks...it will come down to preference and how you feel riding it....
The scout only has looks and top end power going for it. If i lived in the US and was buying the bike to please old bikers there then maybe i'd get the scout. If i was buying the bike to please myself, i'd get the rebel. Just having an africa twin engine means there are a lot of aftermarket parts for it, good decision by honda.
I always read the comments Joshua. 😉 Two bikes that are the same and yet different. A water cooled twin vs a larger capacity air/oiled cooled twin. Rider height is going to be a factor here as well. If you're taller you'll probably be more comfortable on the Scout Bobber Twenty (tractor seat version). If you're shorter the Low Rider may be more comfortable. Do you prefer torque or horsepower? Do you like your bikes to have effortless grunt down low or do you like revving your bike out more? I think understanding the way you prefer to ride will help a lot in making a decision. I will look at making a video but I'm interested to hear how you might answer these questions. 👍
Another great comparison mate 👍 wow you would really think Honda would be selling the rebel for around $16K keeping in line with the sportster platform. Stay safe 👍🇦🇺
I own a rebel 500 and was considering getting the 1100 if the price was right, but 16k would be my limit, there are a lot of other bikes close to the 20k mark that I would prefer.
Rebel 1100 has a speed limiter at 99mph idk why… my best guess is that above those speeds it start to come apart! I want the rebel but that limiter is concerning!
Thanks Calvin! It'll depend on your own personal experiences. Some beginners, although never having ridden a road bike have grown up riding dirt bikes etc and some beginners have never even sat on a bike. With that said I'd still be more comfortable recommending the Rebel 500 for a beginner.
I love both of these bikes and have been reading up on them.... But as a general rule, never use manufacturers' claimed horsepower and torque specs, they are all taken differently and therefore not comparable. Find a source that dynos their bikes on the same dyno under the same conditions. Per Cycle World's dyno tests (all available on YouYube), the Scout turned 84.62 hp at 8,260 rpm and 63.85 pound-feet of torque at 3,220 rpm, while the Rebel made 81.02 hp at 7,010 rpm and 67.90 pound-feet of torque at 5,010 rpm.
It may be too close to even worry about - but I think it would be reasonable to compare the Scout 60 to the Rebel 1100. What do you get when you shave off over $1,000
Scout 60 is very similar in price to the Manual Rebel 1100 but where the Bobber Twenty matches the Honda's torque and is higher in horsepower the Scout 60 is down on HP and torque. Both the Scout 60 and Bobber Twenty are heavier than the Honda but the Bobber Twenty's higher horsepower figure helps balance out the equation for me, which is why I went with the Bobber Twenty.
@@BikesILike this really helped because I'm looking at both bikes, but really like the dct aspect of riding the honda, but was concerned it would be too cramped for. But now I see there are already aftermarket peg extensions to help with this.
I preferer the the Styling of the Indian, that's why I bought the standard base model Scout over all other cursers , the Rebel does have an edge in just about every category except looks my bike turns heads and gets compliment's almost every where I go . And its a great American made product and since I'm an American I bought it. But each to there own the Scout isn't for everybody! Cool comparison you earned your self a sub! Cheers!✌👍
I have an updated 'Do I Fit' video of the Rebel 1100 with averaged inseam heights and all the riders including 6'4 going up tomorrow night. That video might give you a better indication 😉
Although the specs are similar for both bikes, I had chosen the Indian Scout standard. It is hands down the more unique bike that grabs the attention of many riders, only because it is an Indian, and not a HD or an import.
Hi BIL, Utub doesn't give me the recommendations that I use to get. So I missed this. My M/C journey continues to evolve so my Honda 250rally and Cb500x are both fore sale as the new to me KTM790 is just tearing the biggest shit grin you can imagine, my riding mates have 790's and who I to argue, they have invited me several times on the 500x but man did I find the limits between the KTM's and the Honda, so that part of the equation is well sorted. I am loving 3 or 4 different Harley models as a daily rider but the cost vs handling keeps me coming back to the Honda 1100. I am indeed really lucky to have perhaps one of the most awesome twisty roads to get to my office with F/All traffic and even less fuzz so whilst the Honda aint a Harley or an Indian, it has the look (sort of) but has the handling that I want....Now just to tell the wife about the KTM and maybe the other commuter...wish me luck.
