Absolutely an incredible job to everyone who worked on this project. It was an honor to voice the lovable Saiyan. Thank you for the opportunity. I’m incredibly humbled and equally honored.
The DubBub you were fantastic as both Gokus. Almost every line Liam showed me I would continuously gush over how good it was. You managed to tackle the laid back and relaxed tone of both Gokus, the excited tones, the serious tones, and even their much smarter, more complimentary tones. You seriously impressed me with your work here. Great job dude.
Real talk the voices sound off especially for adult Goku speaking in English but when I listen to him more it's a bit on point you can tell it's Goku's voice lol 🤔
LMAO Beerus was never a thing in Gt. If goku met beerus, and whis in gt, he would've had God forms probably with ssj4. He would be really op probably having ssgssj4. 🤣
@@digimationentertainment9820 yeah. Gt and super are in complete different timelines. Gt is after the end of Z. Super is somewhere in the middle, after the buu saga, but still before the end of Z. Even though, GT goku takes place after super in time, he never met Beerus, Whis, Zeno and the Grand priest. If gt goku did meet beerus, he'll be able to obtain God ki, and be much more op than he is originally from gt. I can't image a ssjssg4. Already knowing how op ssj4 compared to ssj3 was without God ki. Ssj4 was probably just about as strong as ssjg without any God ki.
You've definitely come a long way from you've started. You went from basic edited DBZ hypothetical battles to wonderful works of art like this and your latest videos with some pretty solid voice acting. Nice job and I'm definitely looking forward to what you have in store for us in the future👍 Forgot to mention this,but I'd also like to congratulate everyone who lended a hand in making this video🥳🥳🥳
Forgot this is your last ever fight Liam 😭. Going to miss you buddy, you have been an inspiration for me since I was something like 12 which is a madness 🤣 Honestly wish you the best life has to bring and all the success in the world dude 👋😊👍
Your editing skills have grown an INSANE amount over the years. This is legit a work of love for Dragonball. Best of luck to you in the future, and thanks for the entertainment, today.
Well well well, here I am. A young 13 year old on a channel of a person I was so excited to meet since I was 7 years old. Was always hoping to meet him someday, and here I am. Helping out with the sound effects and even participating in a part in his last project. We've come a long ass way and I'm so happy I've finally unlocked the door to my missions which was to finally be a part of your project in this channel and it worked out. I'm so glad for this project man, always saving the best for last, these will be missed. Arrivederci. (FYI, I was also the one who voiced L in my advert 😉, is my voice that deep? Yes 😂)
Nothing will top this ever. This was utterly amazing beyond words to all of you worked on this as I know this must have taken absolutely ages 🥳. Huge props to the voice actors as they did an incredible job! 🤩 Kinda glad I left y'all to do it now as this has turned out a million times better then just little old me doing it lol. I know I was meant to return however life as per usual has got in the way so I will not be setting a date on when and if I return. One day I will I promise that much. Awesome Job guys I can't express my gratitude and appreciation for this. Don't know what else to say but this project has truly gone EVEN FURTHER BEYOND 🥳🥳🥳✨✨👌👌👍
What words can be said? So many people worked on it and it was fantastic. The music was incredible, the green screens were amazing, the editing was outstanding, 51 minutes of pure battle and it's one of the best Dragon Ball projects to ever exist, the voice acting was otherworldly and everyone got their spotlight. Also giving GT Goku decades to train with Whis, closing the gap between the two, is so naturally flowed in. I also caught the Hyourinjutsu vibe from the storytelling in a similar vein to his own version. Divinty's editing has improved twentyfold, Solar and SwordMan have gotten immensely better, Kevin, Roko and you of course shined. And there's new people getting spotlight too. Thanks for all your hard work guys, this is a great send-off Liam. I hope life is good to you.
Since this project is finally coming to an end, I would just like to say that it was a blast getting to work on this together with all of the other editors. I had so much fun putting together my parts for the channel that got me into making what if fights in the first place; it was a massive honour. Each time you would task me with making a new section, I would constantly try to top the last one I submitted, and it would bring me joy whenever you would say how much you liked them. Though this may be the last what if, at least we can all say you went out with a bang. Thank you Liam, for everything.
Thank you for the edits man, you played a big role in this story we will honour and remember you, you to went out with a bang and all of us respect you man! ✌ take a break because you earned it👍
@@chrisgoris3794 haha, thanks a lot dude. I am still uploading on my channel and just released my biggest project yet. So if you’re still interested in my stuff, feel free to check it out.
@Solar Animations I will! Your good at doing these what if battles! Your one of my favorite youtubers! Thank you again for your hard work, we all appreciate it! Hope you had a Merry Christmas!
Man i almost cried when GT Goku lost, he gave all of his effort. Kaioken, full power, training on his own with whis. He still gets beaten though that. That was amazing video though. GT Goku should got god ki and surpass Super Goku by a lot.
train and have divine ki as well? my god! i am pretty sure it would become much stronger than full ultra instinct if it would combine blue with super sayan 4, slaughter goku and jiren together, then think if it unlocks ultra instinct 0-0
@@paolomorale7174 no no thats to much your reaching into Ssj5 territory. *However in dragon ball heroes Xeno goku which is their gt goku did actually use the ssj god form but wasn't able to unlock it again*
Words cannot describe the amount of hype i had with this fight. Outstanding job! You outdid yourself again Liam and i will miss your what if fights. It was a pleasure to see this finale and i look forward to seeing what new content you upload. You can count on me supporting you. Until the next video!
I know I already said this in the other comment section, but I just wanted to say it again. Wow... this was absolutely amazing... I honestly have no words to describe how great this was. I love all the time and effort you put into this, and the fact that it's the length of a Dragon Ball Z Movie makes it even better! I definitely think my favorite part was Super Saiyan Blue Goku Vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku! This was a perfect send off for you, but just because this is your last what if fight doesn't mean I'll stop supporting your content. You can count me as a subscriber for as long as you keep making RU-vid videos! Also, just wanted to thank you for including my ad in your video again, I really appreciate it! Looking forward to your next video!
Time for the Magnum Opus EDIT from after reaching the credits: this was everything I could want from a GT Goku vs DBS Goku fight in terms of choreography. I also like how you credited guys like Drandosk and Vegito 1089
I was expecting GT Goku to turn SSJ5, SSJ4 Blue, or maybe unintentionally absorb God ki from Super Goku just like that fan manga 'SSJ4 vs Goku Black' I watched on RU-vid. Although farfetched, I was subconsciously expecting an Ultra Instinct SSJ4 Goku or some primal rage-like Saiyan roots type of power-up to match Ultra Instinct. Anyway, I appreciate all the effort that was made in this video especially the voice acting of both Gokus. This video's nearly twice longer than Hyourinjutsu's. Well done Liam.
@@liammcguire1954 referencing the comment about gt goku turning ssj4 blue. In gokus case it can literally be attributed to beerus calling goku a prodigy, vegeta had to fully train to utilize god ki.
Ehh, Gt Goku has a much higher base form power, and that plays a big role in ssj transformations. And also goku has his tail which helps achieves true mastery of the super sayian abilities
This is just incredible man! I loved every sec of it it reminded me of Hyourinjutsu's version but I think I like this more since it's in anime form. Very well done man!
Gt ka ka rot is older then super ka ka rot so I understand this how gt ka ka rot was fighting ssj ka ka rot in base I understand mostly yea this animation is awesome gotta give u credit
holy fuck this was fucking amazing man u did gt goku and ssj4 in general justice and best thing this was nearly an hour long....the longer the better and the voice acting is amazing to and gt goku would really on himself getting stronger then the use of god ki that part of him saying that is spot on Edit:sorry for misspellings i had to correct them
Damn, so this is your last what if? Well, it was so damn epic, a cool way to end this what if saga, and I applaud to everyone who contributed to this epic what if
Okay so i just finished watching the video, and im fucking speechless. Voice acting is great, editors did an amazing job, and in my opinion its one of the greatest what if fights.
Considering this is your last one ever, I have to say you did a fantastic job and went out on a massive high note. This is easily a 1,000,000,000,000/10 for me. Awesome job!
Yeah i love ssj4, my favorite transformation, but supers goku would destroy gt goku. Its just a fact. Edit: fuck what i said, this shit to good to sit and compare the gokus, im fucking loving this.
dammit i was thinking on that last beam struggle gt goku was gonna fly through the beam and hit him with an unavoidable dragon fist right in his weakpoint QwQ this was amazing nonetheless
Watching this on repeat. Wish I had enough time in the day to return to this sorta stuff. Really miss it. Still, this is awesome every time I watch it lmao
Great fight, I was going to say how a GT Goku in Base was able to fight nearly on par with a DBS Goku in SSJ3 since DBS Goku had surpassed the SSJ God Goku from BoG in his Base form But then apparently you had GT Goku train with Whis before his fight with DBS Goku, you also had mentioned GT Goku in this vid being 80 Years Old at this point, how long did he train under Whis anyway? Also, I like how you had GT Goku use Kaioken while in SSJ4, what multiplier of Kaioken did GT Goku use? Imo, that’s one of the missed opportunities from GT, GT Goku could’ve used Kaioken with SSJ4 against Super 17 after he had absorbed the Kamehameha x10 and started to beat Goku while in Regular SSJ4, or against Syn and Omega Shenron, Omega especially, imagine a Kaioken x10 or x20 SSJ4 Goku vs Omega Shenron? Man
yeah but in the super 17 fight it wasnt gonna work as super 17 woulda keep absorbing it so goku had to strategize and hit his weakpoint with a dragon fist and omega shenron i dont think it would have been enough as it required a fusion to defeat and that is already combining both of their incredibly powerful base forms and x 2 of that i believe and then whatever the ssj4 multiplier is and that well im sure you could see why that was neccessary against omega if it took that much to beat him
Well for gt goku base it would be stronger than super goku's base because gt goku has his tail. In gt the saiyan's tail was like gohan's mystic form (not really a form but more of a permanent buff) where it brings out a saiyan's true potential. Super goku on the other hand after he obtained divine ki never worked on his saiyan strength and relied on his god ki But I think it was a stretch to say his base would take super goku to go ssj3 to make gt goku go ssj1 but that must be where the training with who's plays in.
@@randomrave6635 yeah i dont think it would be a stretch to say their bases would be equal but i guess with whis is training ontop of his extra 10 years i guess it makes sense for it to take until ssj 3 to make him try i know what he is going with though as they say gt goku had surpassed vegito in gt in base and therefore would be stronger than ssj3 though he is most likely far more powerful then is stated directly due to dimension busting feats but yeah
I don’t really see how GT Goku having a Tail would make his Base stronger then Super Goku’s, the SSJ God Ritual seemed to be an absolutely insane Buff to Super Goku’s Forms As for GT Goku’s dimensional feats, that Game Dimension he was in seemed to already be collapsing, the strongest GT Character SSJ4 Gogeta (Either that or EoGT Goku, but we don’t know much about him) nullified an Attack that was going to destroy the Universe over a relatively short period of time Meanwhile in Super, Beerus, whom was Suppressed to BoG God Goku’s Level was also able to nullify energy that’s capable of Destroying the Mortal Universe, the Entire Afterlife (Heaven and Hell which I believe also seem to be Universe Sized) the Demon Realm and Kaioshin Realm located outside the Universe nearly instantly and Goku and Vegeta scale above that God Goku and Beerus in their Base forms during RoF So imo, Post GT Goku’s forms absolutely pale in comparison to Super Goku’s, not to say GT Goku is weak, Far From it, Start of GT Base Goku scales above 99.9% of DBZ Characters, if not all of them, but Super Goku to me just is on another level, however, in this vid, apparently Liam had GT Goku train under Whis for like decades since apparently Post Whis Training GT Goku is like 80 Years Old, meanwhile after the defeat of Omega, he was likely chronologically in his Late 50’s to possibly Early 60’s So GT Goku’s Base, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3 forms being that much stronger then DBS Goku’s make sense, also, I believe Kaioken could’ve helped Goku quite a bit in GT, I think one of the Guides states that Omega Shenron is 10x stronger then he is as Syn, SSJ4 Goku after getting Energy from the Other Saiyans had a clear advantage over Syn, with Kaioken, if he Trained it enough, he could use it up to x20 like he did against Frieza, so if we go off the Multipliers, then a SD Arc Kaioken x20 SSJ4 Goku would be over 2x stronger then Omega Shenron, so he’d likely have the raw power advantage, but I’m not sure if the power gap would be enough to overcome Omega’s Regen
@@96montecarlo1 first off just cause it was collapsing means nothing they have been endangering universes through hax since late majin buu saga via busting dimensional holes and causing the universe to collapse the universe collapsing dosent take away from the fact he blew it up and if you wanna argue that then i could argue that beerus and goku is punches only caused shockwaves that travelled the universe just like omega is blast was going to spread pollution and that the hyperbolictimechamber is an earth sized dimension and that vegeta had to go blue to blow it up its either both are universal or neither are the pollution in gt was to seem dramatic slow and scary just cause it didnt directly say he could blow it up dosent mean he couldnt jiren could most certainly blow up a dimension but he never says anything about being able to blow up a dimension
THIS IS SO WELL DONE! As a fan i am pleased ssj4 got some respeck put on its name! Great voice actors, stayed true to both gokus personalities with ssj4 being more cocky by his forms nature. Overall i was hooked and felt like i was watching dragonball again. Ima take this as canon
This is so godly and most Honorable and most epic crossover fight I ever watch and the voice acting was excellent and awesome This video was most impressive and hope everyone will see this and feel the same!.
Nonsense! Goku would never lose to Goku! Jokes aside, this video is awesome. Obviously rough around the edges, any fight in this style is bound to be, but most of the time (no offense), these videos amount to little more than "character A attacks; character B goes flying; character B attacks; character A goes flying" until someone drops dead. This though? There's actual action here, actual choreography, an action story and a genuinely hype climax. I like how kid Goku just absolutely owns DBS Goku in the first third of the video, it's always fun to see the characters you'd normally expect to be at a disadvantage casually kick ass like that. The second chunk with Goku using his God forms against SSJ4 is structured in a way that feels straight out of the show, and when UI comes in? Well, I don't think I even have to say anything, that was perfect.
To be honest I thought GT Goku would get slaughtered because thatd be what would happen going by regular powerscaling but with the backstory & him actually training with whis, I did not expect that. Man this is amazing!
Regular powerscaling? Thw same one where GT goku fought GT krillin and didnt take damage but super Goku was pushed to ssb and still almost lost a beam clash to em? Yeah super goku would win alright lmfao. Hes lost to everyone, by common sense this omega arc gt goku should beat everything til ui at base.
@@xsorakazamax7522 100 year time skip is featless. The only thing we can say about how strong he is that he is atleast stronger than he was in the omega arc which is like low uni at best when super goku is beyond universal.
@@kinqmail1204 The feat thing might be true but low universal is a severe low-ball considering GT Goku destroyed an entire dimension in base form with a Kamehameha, not to mention SSJ4 and Ultra Full Power Saiyan 4, there is absolutely no chance that a lot of characters from the beginning of Super stand a single chance against SSJ4, considering Goku could maintain SSJ4 even when his energy was almost completely gone, is able to not be affected by an attack once it's been used once, has an unknown but godly multiplier, and last but not least GT Goku's base form IS stronger than a majority of Super's Goku. Idk about beating Ultra Instinct, but everything up to Blue Kaioken isn't a stretch to say SSJ4 could compete with his max power.
Me before watching the full thing: *Sees the time in disbelief* There is absolutely no way this man made a movie for us.... Me after watching in full: This is the single greatest collaboration of fans doing work for a beloved series that I could have ever been fortunate enough to witness. Truly thank you Liam for getting this set up and granting us this amazing piece of work. There is not enough words to describe how blown away I am with how incredible this video was.
As much as I hate Super, this fight brought back emotions in me that I didn't remember from the days of Z. I loved both sides. Akira has been able to divide the two bands of Dragon ball at best. And you guys made an old DB fan happy. Simply wonderful!
Man this was a good fight, I was expecting seeing it turn into oh super goku one shots gt goku like alot of people says, this is basically how I see how the fight turn out instead of of being on gt goku or super goku one shots fiasco, because some people believe base goku from the top can beat ssj4 gogeta. Now I'm not familiar with heros but wasn't that limit breaker ssj4 goku, if so I don't know much about it or how strong it is
Base Goku from the ToP does one shot SSJ4 Gogeta tho. His base form is already late shadow dragon saga level after BoG at the very least. Then he goes to train with Whis and gets bare minimum 100s-1000s of times stronger
I love how both continuities respected one another. Not cocky or arrogant just pushing one another to become better warriors. GT Goku understood that you aren’t losing your pride by using another source of power. The only time you truly lose your pride as a Saiyan is taking shortcuts to power (using the Majin symbol or Dragon Balls for Power). Realizing Super Goku was smart combining Godly power and his Super Saiyan states. And also using Kaioken never throwing his techniques aside but having the become useful and more beneficial during battle. That’s when GT Goku decided to use Kaioken on top of Super Saiyan 4 giving him the speed and reaction capabilities to keep up with Ultra Instinct! GT Goku’s Super Saiyan states were superior by a great margin to Supers. (SSJ=SSJ3) Just goes to show training your base power is always the way to go instead of pushing for more power your base will always be the defining factor of how powerful your Super Saiyan states are. And that’s where GT Goku excelled in, training his base power for 10 years straight without using any transformations. Whereas Supers Goku opted out for God Power and neglected his base state. SSJ4 had the capabilities to keep up with his Godly power! The fact that he doesn’t need concentration to use SSJ4 because of his primal heritage. The form can act as a base form just like SSG, unlike Blue that needs a calm mind and constant concentration. SSJ4 is all around the better form you have all the power,speed,ki,and anything you would need in a battle, it acts like Mystic or Ultimate. Drawing out all your latent or saiyan potential to it’s peak!!! The form itself learns mid-fight making him able to not only react but adapt to any given situation. If any move is used on him in that state it only takes one time for the form to adapt to where it no longer effects it as well. Also I love how he went Full Power SSJ4 and was able to dodge Blue Kaioken. Just showing how heightened his senses and reaction speeds just like UI in a sense. GT showed Super to stop relying just on godly power and focus on the basics as well! Both Goku’s showed how to become even greater than they already are! I wish this was how most of the Dragon Ball community was, both the same ol Goku but were given different circumstances to become who they were. The fact that SSJ4 was able to keep up with God,Blue,and even UI showed how you don’t need God Ki to be able to rival or even surpass it! I would have love to see SSJ5 Goku vs MUI but it was an amazing battle kuddos to the people who helped it become such a universal scaled battle of strength! Even though SSJ4 lost I still respect Super, he needed to use his full strength to take down GT Goku without any god ki! Think how powerful a GT Goku combining God Ki…he would be the strongest incarnation of Goku hands down! Put UI ontop and you have one of the strongest beings in existence! Thanks for this spectacle of a battle! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
HOLY SHIT!! Goku sounded so upset at the end there when he said "I SHOULD'VE KEPT PRACTICING THE KAIOKEN I SHOULD HAVE!!!" WTF!! that's so fucking upset holy shit! It sounded as if beerus or omega destroyed someone really close to Goku like grandpa Gohan getting destroyed/erased from existence. Good job on that voice acting when i heard that I was like "damn my dude calm down" 😂🤓🤣 Keep up the good work with these productions my dude Props for this awesome fight😋👏👏
That was one of the most well put together what-if fights I've seen. Very good and fitting for the final one. The only thing I would've added is GT Goku using the Dragon Fist against Super Goku at some point but either way MUI would be too much for him. Limit Breaker SSJ4 would also have been cool but Kaioken SSJ4 achieved basically the same thing so that's ok.
@@chrisgoris3794 Considering base, by 400x. That's a lot, man, but honestly if UI's pulled out unless it's the BS Granolah Arc you're pretty much on a downward spiral and Goku's the pilot of the plane.
I think it’s because gt goku focused more on his base power and as well on his super sayian forms and not just seeing them as multiplyer’s like vegeta did and how super goku focused mostly on god ki but still strengthening his normal power
This is damm good! Impressive ! I totally accepted the way of how the fight happening, and the weirdest thing in it, that all the frames were cutted off from DB scenes, so nothing should have been as a surprise, but it was! :D
@@DrandoskMiller Well, I like that you strictly stayed at the the technics are already used in DB, and did not added new things to them. The personalities were stayed intact to as we knew them until now, and only changed little bit probably on the power lvls, but I can fully imagine, this could have had happen if the original creators made it. To level GT's Goku base from up to the lvl of normal's timeline ssj3 was a very proud move, but can be that., so I guess this was accurate.
This would be an utter stomp in favour of GT Goku. People often look at power whenever Goku fights, but here in lies the problem, both Goku doesn’t just have power, they both have an array of techniques as well. Let’s get into the character profile: Dragon Ball Super Goku: This Goku is from the Dragon Ball Super series, and while both versions of him are different, I will be taking a sort taking a composite Goku. Well, these are the transformations Goku can use: Super Saiyan 1 Super Saiyan 2 Super Saiyan 3 Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God SS Perfected Super Saiyan God SS And these are the techniques which he uses to increase his power are as follows: Kaioken Ultra Instinct Since I am using a composite Goku, this Goku has absorbed the powers of a God into his base form, making his base form Universal. Dragon Ball GT Goku: Most people will often overlook this Goku due to personal bias and to ‘fit in with their peers’. However, that is not the case with GT Goku, and he isn’t as weak as the people (Read: People who haven’t seen Dragon Ball GT without any bias) claim him to be. This Goku, in his base, shook both Heaven and Hell. Do you know how serious that is? While DBS Goku needed God Ki to be considered Universal, GT Goku does not even need it. Going on, this version of Goku has access to the following transformations: Great Ape Super Saiyan 1 Super Saiyan 2 Super Saiyan 3 Golden Great Ape Super Saiyan 4 And he can utilize the following techniques to increase his power: Kaioken - While most people would look at the two fighters and proclaim that Super Goku would win, that is where they fail to understand one basic factor: In Dragon Ball, transformations aren’t the only factor that determines the victor. People might claim that God Ki is OP and DBS Goku will sweep against GT Goku, but they fail to realize that God Ki isn’t all that special anymore. How many mortals have we seen not only stand up to God Ki, but rise above it as well, as seen by Frieza, Kefla, and Jiren. All of them used nothing but Mortal Ki, while Goku and Vegeta were forced to use God Ki. Another thing one might say is that Super Saiyan God will be enough as it has several abilities, such as regeneration, ki absorption and invisible blasts. Well, the thing is that Super Saiyan 4 also has abilities. Adaption, ki absorption and lack of stamina drain. You might ask, What is so special about that? Super Goku has that also. Well, here’s where you are wrong. What Super Goku has is nothing compared to the Ki Absorption GT Goku has. GT Goku doesn’t suffer from stamina drain when he absorbs ki, and he can use the absorbed ki to power up his own moves. And with his adaptive abilities, he would be adapting to whatever Super Goku throws at him. A similar case was seen when GT Goku was battling Omega Shenron. While Goku was temporarily blinded, he had adapted to dodge all of Omega’s attack based on his other senses. Not convinced? When Goku was facing Eis Shenron, he was initially frozen up by one of Eis’s attack, leading to Nouva Shenron to unfreeze him. However, when he faced Eis again, the attack did nothing, Goku had adapted. So if the fights go on, and if Super Goku even paralyzes him, GT Goku will adapt and the paralysis would no longer work on him. You might say: But Super Goku would instantly kill him because he is soooooo OP with MUI. Well, here's the thing, if you seriously think that, then I believe you are creating an OC for the fight. All Gokus like to fight fair. That was the reason why Goku didn’t instantly go Super Saiyan God SS against Broly. That is why Goku didn’t instantly turn blue against Jiren. If you make Goku get overpowered in a single fight against an enemy of lower power, then you are not making Goku stay in tune with his character, but rather, you are making Goku have an Out of Character moment, an OOC. The fight will go on as normal, with Super Goku going from Super Saiyan 1 to 3 because he wants a fair fight, and seeing no noticeable damage take place on GT Goku. He would then go Super Saiyan God and will have the upper hand for a bit, forcing GT Goku to turn Super Saiyan 4. However, that would be lost as GT Goku will adapt to that as well. At first, Super Goku will see that his fists are doing a great deal of damage to GT Goku, but soon, that damage will lessen, and even more. Soon it will reach a point where Super Goku would be doing no damage to GT Goku at all. He would be confused. Soon, GT Goku would dodge an attack coming at the behind, and Super Goku would realize what was happening. GT Goku had absorbed God Ki, empowering him as well, well beyond what Super Goku even was. And due to the adaptive capabilities of Super Saiyan 4, GT Goku would use God Ki quite quickly. Super Goku would turn Super Saiyan God SS, and will see that no damage will take place. That is because GT Goku turned Super Saiyan God SS4 due to the God Ki. Goku would consider using MUI, but guess what, that would be fruitless as well. Using MUI, Super Goku would get the upper hand, for a little bit though, since guess what? GT Goku’s Super Saiyan 4 will adapt to MUI as well. Because Super Saiyan 4 has little to no stamina drain, and whenever Super Goku would hit GT Goku, he would actually be refilling his ki, and in turn his stamina as well. This would give GT Goku the win.
Not really. As a person who has watched all 64 episodes of GT, you’re heavily wanking GT Goku’s adaptation. Tell me, where was this adaptation when he was fighting Omega or Super 17? He was getting his ass kicked in a 2v1 fight, so much so that he and Vegeta didn’t have enough energy to fuse a second time since their energy was that low. GT Goku only shook Hell and the check in station. He didn’t shake heaven as that was never shown. You’re also forgetting Super Goku also adapts as he’s a saiyan, so he can adapt the same way GT Goku can, as we saw this in his fight with Beerus and Hit. You’re making it sound like GT Goku can adapt like Goku Black, which is far from the case as Goku Black states the soul of a god and the body of a saiyan are increasingly becoming one in the same, meaning Zamasu’s natural god ki being used in tandom with zenkais made his boosts even more gigantic and busted than usual. GT Goku doesn’t have that. And Vegeta was bullying this same Goku Black and by the ToP, Goku should be comparable to Goku Black with his scythe in power. I also love how you downplay god ki. Yes, some mortals have been able to match god ki users in Super, but it doesn’t make it any less OP, as GT Goku by scaling and feats alone still isn’t nearly as powerful. Saying some mortals have kept up with god ki in Super doesn’t really do anything to help your argument. Super Goku already outclasses GT in almost every stat in a fight, as Super Goku would casually speed blitz and overpower him
@@liammcguire1954 That was a nice try at an argument but that was pure garbage, 1.) The mortals didn't keep up with God Ki They Utterly Stomped It In to the Ground, Hit Murder Stomped Blue Goku Until KK which is not God oriented, 2.) GT Shook all of the Afterlife bc shockwaves don't just stop, if it hit the checkin station it wouldn't just stop and not move forward, 3.) GT Goku's Adaption Vs S17 was there but S17 countered it with "Calculated" attacks and Against Syn Shenron He adapted to fighting blind which Super Goku has never come close to that, Also Super Goku doesn't have the same Adaption that SSJ4 GT Goku has bc he doesn't have SSJ4 which gives that perk, Also GT Goku 1 Shotted an infinite sized area called Sugurokus Space.
@@EternalFlameOfGod did you even watch super or GT for that matter? GT Goku went ultra super saiyan 4 thanks to Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Majuub giving him all of their energy because his 10x Kamehameha had no effect on Syn, with Syn later firing a 10x Kamehameha right back at Goku which knocks him out and reduced him to base form. GT Goku was still being hurt by ki blasts and beams even after he got hit by them multiple times. GT Goku’s adaptation if you will is just his body remembering certain moves, since Goku put a ki barrier immediately when Eis froze him a second time. But his adaptation only goes so far as it memorizes specific moves and techniques, not the power and speed of them. Base Goku was adapting and predicting where Hit would attack with his time skip, so much so that Goku literally forces Hit to improve his time skip technique. Hit is also just that strong, which you don’t seem to realize. This is basic powerscaling. If you actually watched episode 43 of GT, you’d know that Goku only shook Hell and the check in station. Heaven was never shown to have been shaken by Goku. As for Suguroku Space, Goku didn’t destroy the realm, but rather destroyed the barrier/dimensional wall between Suguroku Space and the living universe, as the elder Kai previously stated he has no power there, which is why Kibito Kai couldn’t Kai Kai to them. We literally see dimensional barriers crack and after we see the kamehameha flash, they’re in another area where Kibito gets em. Goku also says that they’re gonna blow them out of there. Pay attention to when he says blow them out. Blowing something out is more specific and concentrated than blowing up. It is known as “Dimension Breaker”. And dragon ball characters have been able to crack dimensions since the buu saga just by yelling very loudly. Destroying Sugoroku space wouldn’t have gotten them out of there. Goku, Sugoro, and Sugoroku’s objective was to escape Sugoroku space since they would’ve been trapped there and wander between dimensions forever if they didn’t. Destroying dimensions doesn’t transport you out of there lol. Nice try, I’m not like other people who argue Super is stronger than GT without having watched GT. I’ve seen all 64 episodes of the GT sub
@@liammcguire1954 GT Goku Vs Super Goku Explained, I don't have time for an essay so I collected some info together to help explain. 1.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8rUZfLR5jOc.html 2.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PvKOy_cw_HY.html 3.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hwJ4ojoFul8.html 4.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-crunAfeSaQk.html 5.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2knxdUAIXE0.html 6.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mfJ7s2PVHS8.html 7.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pRSo8gvEPKg.html
Realistically ssj4 wouldnt stand a chance against super saiyan god but its still fun to watch Edit: Actually I remembered that normal KI can for a fact compete with god ki if theres a lot of it. For example, Vegeta's rampage, and Kefla
Kassim Hadd even if that’s true, GT Goku achieved training from Whis in this fight, so he was much stronger then how he was by the end of GT. Meaning God Goku ain’t going to be beating SSJ4 in one hit.
@@solaranimations9062 i dont know you know I hate when we the db fans are debating for a something like that. I just want toei and toriyama to remaster dbgt
first off you dont know the strength of ssg no multiplier is known and it is not as strong as the ritual because if it was then goku going from 1 to 3% of beerus at full power to atleast 70% and he absorbed that into his base form then next time he went ssg he would immediately beat beerus the form isnt as strong as the ritual and ontop of that ssj4 is not a strong ssj3 ssj3 is 400x base i believe and if you wanted to lowball ssj4 multiplier it would already be 500x so thats still 100x stronger and thats being nice because that is still to weak to take on the golden great ape baby vegeta so its probably even stronger we dont have official multipliers for the god forms and the multiplier they gave ssj4 in the gt perfect files dosent line up with the show as it would not have been enough to combat the golden great ape version of baby and if your thinking about the base form do keep in mind gt goku has blown up dimensions before just as the battle between goku and beerus was going too do if they didnt control there energy
Bravo! What an enjoyable experience! Awesome job everyone!!! And the voice acting was surprisingly good!! I was glued to my seat watching. This was just wonderful!
Toei Could release the 100 year old Goku GT Movie VS Goku Super. Did you ever think that against Bills he would reach SSJ5 and surpass Bills ,to show the size of the difference in their strengths.
We can only hope we get a special game event outside heroes or a movie that involves both timelines or something like that. Like maybe we get a multiversal demon god going around timelines and universes that threatens everything and it takes the effort of every timeline to take him down kinda like a Fu or demigra movie. Whatchu think of this idea?
If you are talking about God essence base. It is only really shown that he has it a few times. And assuming he has it makes other characters scale to ridiculous proportions that they shouldn't come close to. Its better to pretend he doesn't and call it a loop hole
And I have a question Liam do you have a soundtrack for this video and do ya have a link for the jotaro theme cover when gt goku transform into super saiyan 4!.
Now I see why goku has to eat alot it's not his fault for using so much energy in fights and to top it all off ultra instinct produces so much heat imagine how many calories is burning just by focusing on ultra instinct.
I honestly dont understand why people shitting that ssj4 stronger than ssjb,bro its just stupir,litelarry not true,ssjb can beat ssj4 in an ease,unless goku is screwing around
