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All the negative comments on here are nonsense. One thing I'll say is that these days, I'd use a joist hanger for that connection. However, if you're going to toe-screw it, this is absolutely fine. An experienced framing carpenter could precisely toe-nail this with a nail gun or also toe-screw it without using the square as a jig. However, a DIY homeowner building their own small deck might struggle to align everything and put in the screw at an optimal angle. Using the square as a jig might add 2 minutes to each connection. So what. If you're building your own deck, spending an extra hour to get all the connections aligned properly is 100% worth it, and it's better than having poor connections. There is nothing wrong with using jigs to make your work easier if you're not able to align everything well without jigs. Let me say one other thing. I've observed a lot of "professionally done" framing that has big gaps, nails driven too close to the end of a joist, nails blown out through the face of a beam, etc. I am not a pro carpenter. I used to be a pro auto mechanic. I know enough about carpentry to be able to build a simple deck, and I built one at my house a couple years ago. I went pretty slowly. Sometimes I used jigs and clamps. You know what? The quality of the joints is WAY better than a professionally-built deck at my friend's house. His builders were optimizing for speed, and I was optimizing for quality. All my connections are square. My joist spacing is even. I don't have big gaps between joists and beams. I used a penetrating wood sealer to seal all the end grain when I made cuts. My structure is more rigid, and I'm sure that mine will last longer. Finally, I frequently see rubbish comments about nails having more sheer strength than screws. Look at actual tests on RU-vid between nails from nail guns and something like GRK deck screws. OK, maybe in an earthquake zone, there could be cases in a very strong earthquake where nails might bend where a screw might sheer, but if you're not in an earthquake zone, screws will have tremendous sheer strength and will ALSO bend a little bit when sheer forces are applied. Either fastener will be fine. Still, I think using a joist hanger here would make a bigger difference than a toed connection with either nails or screws. If your deck is built at grade, using 3 toe screws (I'd personally add a third from the other side) will probably be fine for years. A joist hanger would probably last longer and withstand more force in an earthquake or strong winds or from very heavy loads. But I think this video is totally fine, and this might be helpful to a novice.
@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations wdym. If anything, the dude in the video is sloppy. He doesn't have his joists layout with an X and doesn't have a square line on the inside of the rim joist so he can make sure the joist is square. If you are a professional, you know what I mean. No BS needed. The only thing you need when making sure the joist is flush with the rim is your fingers and nothing else.
It really didn't take him that long. I'm an electrician by trade but this seems like a good way to have the board held in place and completely flushed well you install your other screws. I'm not really sure what the problem is here
Seems like perfect holes for wood eating insects to borrow into now that the preventative treatments been broken. Its different everywhere I know but I'd never leave holes untreated here in Maui. Id copper them up. Or just not do this in the first place.
yeah, but most of us are working alone since the last 2 generations don't want to work. so we come up with innovative ways to get stuff done by ourselves. to then find out it gets done faster with one person in most cases.
its hard to tell them anything, the young regress while playing thinking they have discovered a milestone on the "ease" of construction. all the time bent over and wiping sweat for being out in the sun.
Well you'd actually have to take this all apart because screws don't have sheer strength so depending on where you live you're going to have to take that all apart nail it and then put in hangers when an inspector see's that or just if you want it done right 😂
@@kittybrowneye3163 good answer thinking beyond the simple vid . I'm hoping this is just a temporary build so not to move his CAMERA. Because he moved everything else twice as many times as required to screw the boards together.
Boss: "yeah grab some tools from the container" *Guy from the video goes to the container, but comes back empty handed* "Uuhhmm they are all Hilti tools. I only use Milwaukee because it'a part of my idendity"
That's cuz he's wearing his wife's jeans. She saw the project on the DIY NETWORK that some hot chic with the brand new nail bags and brand new pink tools was building for some couple that is sitting there shaking their head no cuz they wanted a pergola and not a deck....
You can add EVERY trade to that, nobody works as an apprentice any more it’s beneath them. Actually the job supervisors of today have even LESS experience so they themselves don’t even know what is right and wrong. Long gone or far and few between are the times of the professional tradesman/craftsman.
Which brings me to my next point "dont smoke Crack". They make nail guns fir that. Why not pre set your screws if your struggling that bad 😅. You must get paid by the hour. At least you got a good Impact.
In other cases I agree with you but when a square (especially back squares) is treated bad and doesn't have the right angle anymore then that thing is done. Even a skilled worker will make mistakes with measuring tools that are broken or bad quality from the start. Especially when you're doing furniture and stuff like that, when you're only building decks it might not be as bad but there's certainly work where you need very accurate tools.
to be fair though. These squares are pretty bomb proof and I don't think it will be too far off if you're using it for framing decks. But that's just my monkey brain opinion.
Уголок хороший у него , и принцип использования правильный , но вот эти соединения досок это конечно все портит . Либо доска может расколоться либо саморезы лопнуть закручивая их по диагонали . Хотя бы дырочки просверлил бы для закручивания саморезов по диагонали ,. эххх .
1.Просверливают отверстие, а дырочки проделывают другим "инструментом"😂 2. Саморезы конструкционные(бита torx), под них просверливать не надо 😂😂😂 3. Лайфхак вообще "aBHo"😂😂😂
@@apwood3015 4. Выкручивается саморез и ставится нормальный уголок между досками внутри короба и скрепляются доски 5.С торца эти торбоксы длинные закручиваются по прямой 6. Экономия приводит к последствиям более затратным 😉 7. Не всегда на практике сценарий проходит как в теории , чисто в реале
Granny screwin when you should have been double nailing. Now me and rhe mad scientist gotta rip the deck boards off and rebuild with galvanized hangers....
The skinny jeans and clean, loosely tied boots say you are not a good source of construction advice. The lack of a square layout line says you should go back to the office.
@@TzNuts Does not make a difference... Screws are not used for framing... they will not carry the load. Can't tell you how many deck screws I have snapped off.
@@TzNutsscrews don't hold shear forces. They are meant to hold in tension. Screws are good for the planks because in that situation you don't want the fastener to back out.
Tell them its time to go back home and fix their countries up because America is headed towards a great depression again..frfr.. White and Black Americans suffering big time take look..wake up ppl
@@kattihattif you use a framing gun(like all the pros do) it will literally take 2 secs and eliminate all this screw unscrew square tedious bs. Btw it’s better to use nails anyways because nails allow flexibly where screws don’t. In cases of an earthquake, nails will allow the wall/structure to flex where screws won’t. It will break instead
Not all hourly contractors take their time. I am a handyman and charge by the hour due to inflation being so high and I also lowered my charge from $50 an hour to $40 to help the customer lower costs.
@@RJ-nz5jn As a Canadian, I agree with you about the superior Robertson screws -- which must be illegal to sell/use in the good ol' USA. But to be fair, they do have Torx screws as an alternative. I think those must be more expensive to make and strip a lot easier, though.
While I would agree that nails are generally better for general purpose framing, I wouldn't agree that "screws have 0 structural strength". A screwed joint like that will hold a significant load. I wouldn't build a house or similar building this way, but for less critical structures, screw may be more than adequate if that's all you've got.
I'm just barely old enough to remember a time where there were homeowner tools and professional tools. Oddly enough, just earlier today I was remembering when there used to be a DeWalt store, a Makita store, Milwaukee, etc. You could get repairs done, order specialty tools, or just talk shop with knowledgeable guys. I had dropped a cordless Makita drill and broke the housing basically in half. I went to the Makita store and ordered a new clamshell (the entire plastic body of the tool) I opened up broke one and transferred the pieces to the new one.
Yeah there’s nothing really wrong with this except for the time loss. If you can’t start the screw with one hand while holding the board, then start the screws before propping the board to its position.
i think you will find he did this to match both pieces of wood before screwing them together. I would use a piece of scrap wood rather than distorting my speed square.
I have a better idea. Hold the bottom of the joist flush with one hand , THEN shoot 3 , 16'ds from the rim into the joist . It turns a one day job into maybe 20 minutes .
Amen… but you can’t buy entertainment like this, also think of it as job security… home owners see this and start think they can do trades it’s so easy and it take them 3 months to frame one 10’ wall.
For anyone wanting tips on what to do when screwing stuff together like this, start the screw in the first piece without worrying about it being square. Once its a few threads in, then square everything and run it in the rest of the way. Quicker and easier.
@@norskibull2.021but the point was he couldn’t screw with 1 hand. The screw kept falling. As OP said you start the screw, hold your board flush , then screw so it doesn’t fall….if you watch the first few seconds you can see it… but you’d know this if you were in the field right?? 😂😂😂
Using a cleat or square is fine. However, this butt joint is best screwed from the other uncut timber... (by his left foot) first ...through and into the cut timber to form the 'T'. 'Pitched' screwing as shown is a 2nd rate fixing, unless a 'collar' ( timber block) is also in place on the opposite side of the "T" member. A collar can be just an off-cut fitted snug into the 90° formed by the assembling of the two timbers. Using both the block and Pitched screws in the correct order as described, would be the professionals' method of choice. Hope this helps. Coach or screw bolts are better again, provided aesthetics aren't vital. Hangers are an option too, however they're an additional cost. Off-cuts are around us all the time, so a good use of waste material. Hope you can visualize my method suggested. Tk
Not really... the square itself didn't do anything except free up one of his hand from having to hold the board. He also could have just driven some screws in from the other side and not done some weird angled pockethole type thing.
This is hack work why tf would you screw it at an angle (toenail) when you could drive it straight trough the plate, easier, faster and it would be way stronger
first of all, just drive your screw from the other side... second of all, use joist hangers, please. and lastly, if you wanna do something like this, grab your finish nailer (I use 18ga) and shoot 4 brad nails (two on each side) to hold your joint as you're trying to force a screw in it. But don't do it unless you have to, because it takes a lot of extra time
I use deck screws all the time 2 1/2 ,3 and 3 1/2 " infact I'm putting a new metal roof on my place right now and new 2x6 facia and adding a bunch of blocking to beef up the roof truss tails partially because the 16's split the tails and where the wood butcher did his finest on the gable outriggers (2x4's ) I like to use 2x6 out riggers then nail a extra 2x6 block to the side of the rigger making an upside down L shape making the overhang a lot stronger .We're about 6,000 ft.elev. here the snow gets heavy if it doesn't blow the shit off,Some politicians have been saying globe warming ! RIGHT We had over 200% of average snow fall and moisture in Northeastern Nevada look at lake Tahoe or Mammoth Mountain,California Ski resort snow fall numbers like 550 or 600 inches if I remember cool pictures at least.
For regular framing a house yeah I use my old Hitachi gun but that really depends how much the structure is worth example if the facia gets metal covering gun it if its redwood or cedar I'd prefer hand nail or use a hanger on the back side if it gets a soffit covering.