TiTAN - Overdrive 2 (RGB 50fps) - SEGA Mega Drive - Revision 2017 (1st Place) 

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would've made a great ad for the genesis. If they said "look at what a sega can do!" and simply played that demo on the TV, Nintendo's marketing branch would've been shitting their pants.

Sega can do..

@@deejayatari ...what nintendon't

@@BradenBest Except this is a PAL Mega Drive. The demo could not run on a Genesis.

No 32X involved here. No Mega CD or custom accelerator chip either.

Kabuto, flussence meant you pushed the stock Mega Drive intro 32X territory... Hence the dongle reference.

@@kabuto3907 please show the world what talented people can make the 32X do ! It deserves so much more love !

the only actualy thing it did was add more colors, no cpu, just more colors

@@LuisAPeregrina False, the 32X added dual SH-2 processors like the Saturn, and in many ways was just a gimped Saturn. While it did add more colors, it also added hardware scaling and rotation (which Sega CD had as well), transparency, texture mapped polygon support, etc.

Yup. Working on getting to that level myself... unfortunately learning to be a good programmer doesn’t pay the bills, and life gets in the way 😔

@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 I feel that.

@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 Depends on your industry.

@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 An indie programmer always doesn't, but a hired one maybe will

Many programmers nowadays can definitely be like this, if companies didn't stress them and rush products out. It's companies the reason behind buggy launches, bad optimization and day-1 patches etc.

But you could run this demo on an Xbox using a Genesis emulator!

@@HerecomestheCalavera no, you can't. Currently I think there is no emulator that runs this perfectly. You can emulate the functionality, but you should also emulate hardware errors, caveats and features that aren't as strictly defined as the specifications for a demo like this to work as it does on the real hardware

@@kienhsi9522 I think Blastem runs it pretty much perfectly.

@@HerecomestheCalavera I had intended no emulator could run it perfect... I knew though the creators of the demo had assisted the programmers of the emus in order for them to run perfectly though, but I wasn't aware to what extent the emus were finished

@@kienhsi9522 You could make a pixel perfect recreation of this demo for the Xbox, and it would run

@@glennjamin In other cases it's worse, like with the Flying Battery's lasers in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

@Tyler Maxwell It's not available at 1080p you twat.

Hi, Mark! I love the Titan Overdrive demos too.

How can you run this demo with an Everdrive x5? My Everdrive can't run it bcuz it's too much memory size

so that means you could port a (early) neo geo game like fatal fury flawlessly with the ssf2 bankswitching and with scaling

iirc, I've heard TiTAN had a snes demo in the pipelines?

TiTAN Does... 8!TCHes!))) Damn, I can almost hear Jesse Pinkman's voice saying this)

It's possible to stream video to SNES. There's enough memory I/O bandwidth to race the beam and update the tileset in front of it. All that matters is how much computing power you put on the cart.

Thank you, that means a lot :)

At Revision 2019 a SNES demo called "SNES NICCC-2000" came out, which was basically a port of another demo, which was entirely polygonal. It required the Super-FX, and even at that could not run at full speed all the time. Titan came out with a demo called "MD NICCC-2000" which is the same thing, ran faster, yet does not use any graphics acceleration. Though I honestly feel it's down to Titan's better code optimization, it's still really impressive how powerful the Genesis truly was.

Hold my Blast processing

Nintendo: We had to get a British company to make us SuperFX, then we fired them and decided we could do it ourselves....then fucked up the Nintendo 64 bigtime and ended up relying solely on past IP's and party games to survive.

@@andrewomahony9260 and for some reason it's working to this day

Still, Virtua Racing uses a special chip, buddy. There's also a Ray Tracing demo for Snes (in a 3d environment). There's nothing the genesis do, that Snes can't, sorry.

nboy7 that's for sure. If you told someone back then that this was possible on a home console they would think you were a liar.

It would have been false advertising haha. This is a demo, not a game. It makes use of a lot exploits that games cannot.

@@malducci All they have to say is that their hardware can do it, it's not lying but it is

Stoppp don’t tease us all

@@malducci I’ve always wondered, why is that?

A lot of stuff was known back then but memory cost was the limiting factor. Travelers Tales was one of the few devs who did a fair bit of cool hardware trick in their games.

@@DONK8008 Zyrinx was another. They made Sub Terrania, which was a very good game, but also super hard.

@@DONK8008 The tricks in their games are only Overdrive 1 level programming.

See, it wasn't just advertising bullshit. The commercials were telling the truth for once.

The blazing-fast CPU for the time was really all it meant! Boy does that shine here!

No Nintendo inside !

Blast BOOM Process is burning your console... asshol. Genesis never does it!!

Какие люди :)

And this comment made me a fan of you :)

Well you can be releived - there will be no overdrive 3 :P

WHAT!? Outrage... ;)

+Oerg866 there must be a 3rd demo :D

+Oerg866 you cant stop here! :D

There won't be. They're already at the limits of the existing hardware. The main processor did 90 percent of the work here; it was the only way to be able to do what was shown here.

Thanks, but it only breaks hardware ~30% of the time ;)

+Oerg866 Ayy my bad, guess i couldn't read properly after seeing all those pretty lights.

Oerg866 And I imagine none of these demos will work on a Genesis 3 since it has no Z80.

the Genesis 3 does have a Z80, but it's on a chip if it didn't have a Z80 then most games wouldn't run properly (because a ton of games rely on the Z80 for sound)

To me the most impressive thing was the rotozooming fractal rendering @4:30 Never thought anything from that era would be capable of such stuff. Heck, the semi transparency effects @1:28 (clouds), @2:21 (logo), @2:48 (layering/blending???), @3:48 (nebula), @5:30 (wavy stuff).

2:20 transparency

There is an old fighting game called Ballz 3D that uses the same trick. The coordinates for the sprites are probably in 3 dimensional space but of course the sprites themselves are not scaled and corrected based on distance. As for actual polygonal 3D games, there were plenty of them on the MD/Genesis. Good 'ol Motorola 68000!

I really, really like the effect at 1:58. I'd actually use a screensaver if it was as cool as that.

4:15 is technicaly awesome! as you know, sega have 320*240 resolution, but in this we have what called "overscan", and in every official game use this space literally for nothing, so in this frame we have about 352*320, which is higher resolution than every sega game can produce

Honestly, I'd say it's one of the best demos I've ever seen, and I've seen a *lot* of them over the years.

I agree, i always show this demo for those who want to understand demoscene...

Easily!

Yeah, Genesis really does, despite what some people say. I was lurking around on the NESDev forums and there was some serious salt over this. Someone even not-so-subtly and not-exactly-jokingly insinuated that the entire demo was being streamed from the cartridge, which is dumb but not unexpected.

Lunar Delta 50fps 320 by 220-something video streamed from cart in an apparently lossless quality? Yea, good luck fitting that into 4 megs. Glitchy Android recordings of this using MD.emu proves them wrong already, but I still wonder how it all works. Some serious hardware wizardry was put into this, and by the end the TiTAN team even left a call to action to any SNES competition that could be out there...

3l H4ck3r C0mf0r7 you do know that there are differences between emulators and an actual genesis hardware like some things won’t work on an emulator but will on real hardware

Jesus Christ. I didn't fucking say the entire demo was streamed off the cartridge. Just the parts that can't be done with IRQ raster tricks, and the debug register.

Got a chuckle out of that line too

Except the SNES can't scale sprites either, only a tile layer

Neither console is objectively superior

so could the snes dipshit

and the full grammar and punctuation as well GOD

to the 8 people that liked this fuck you

This is an alternate time-line I would like to have seen played out. It actually almost makes too much sense, especially seeing as Amiga was a legitimate development platform for Mega Drive / Genesis.

Sega CD doesn't offer much in regards of extra performance nor technologies. As far as I know, it offers red book CD audio, a new chip with with channels capable of playing somewhat high quality samples, and i think it added mode-7 at hardware level.

@@akaDL No, it did a lot more than that. A lot of scaling and rotation effects that could manage pretty convincing 3d effects. Except for a couple of rare occasions, we never got a taste of the extra grunt it brought to the table because is was extremely hard to code for thank to those multiple processors. It was much easier for developers to port Genesis games and add some nicer audio and grainy video. On knock together an FMV "game" in a couple of weeks and call it a day.

​@@kevinsammut7246 I know it did, but wasn't something special. Think of it - Sega was the only one capable of displaying the new "hardware" accelerated graphics for the Sega CD, yet, SEGA didn't showed up anything special. What they did was a lame, 20fps like Mode 7 on Sonic CD Special Stage. Which is funny tho - the legendary blast processing ad depicts Mario Kart as a slow game, where Mario Kart renders at full 60 fps, and Sonic CD special Stage is 20 fps. To me, SEGA CD attempt on Sprite rotation and transform was software rendered, not hardware one. I can't remember any game that showed mode 7 nor sprite rotation at full blistering 60 fps like SNES does. SNES cpu is pure garbage, but since these tricks are done at a hardware level, it can be done at 60 fps at much easier than Sega CD.

@@akaDL Sorry mate but you are way off. Here is a video with examples of scaling and rotation effects that could be achieved on the system.i owned them all, and back in the day it was mind blowing. The Super Nintendo mode 7 was a postage sized image that could be rotated. The Sega CD could rotate both background and sprites in 3d space. The tech to get this done was as follows. A Motorola 6800 CPU clocked at around 12.7 MHz, that could run in tandom the genises Motorola 6800 clocked at 7.4mhz. Around 8 times the ram of the genises on its own. There is more but I'm not much of a tech nerd. Unfortunately, the console was killed far too soon. It was very complicated to code for and the market just wasn't there. A few developers learned how to push the system eventually, but right at the end of the consoles life. There just wasn't enough time. The Sega cds scaling and rotation effects absolutely wiped the floor with SNES. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k80dODWdj9I.html

​@@kevinsammut7246 I think you didn't got my point. I'm fully aware of graphics enhancement of the Mega CD. The point is, SEGA themselves failed to display their new texture rotation and transform. Give a look on the Mega CD bios itself - it is around 20 FPS and SEGA made sure everyone would see that MegaCD was able to rotate sprites, with their demo-like transformations on the logo. However, again, why 20 FPS and not full, blown 60 FPS? It's just their logo, why they didn't greeted us with their amazing bios music and new flashy Sega Logo at 60 FPS? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q7UxwtkNSjI.html& The video you sent indeed looks gorgeous. It's clear that the Sega own "mode 7" looks better, but just because the textures are higher resolution than the Snes ones. And it can afford bigger resolution because of massive RAM advantage compared to SNES (base ram + megacd ram) and obviously faster dma. However, still looks to be rendered on 30 fps, that hints, again, that their sprite rotation was clearly software based, powered by higher clockspeed ofthe megacd m68k.

Why is that? Is there a new and better SNES demoscene? Please link me, I love it all.

While I'd love to make another game one day what's holding me back are the difficulties of coming up with proper gameplay that's both original and good.

Kabuto what games have you made before?

www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=60890 the only IMHO noteworthy one, ported a PC game to C64

I use twitter too, and a few other not so popular things, but in general I don't use social media that much.

Easy. recently discovered debug registers and using the PAL megadrive to squeeze more operations per frame.

And you'll still feel the same when you'll watch it again in the years to come!

I hate to say this but it's far from CD quality..... this track is a piece of art and compares to nothing I've ever heard. I can not understand how someone could create this marvel but Strobe did it.

Memory cost would be a huge issue back then, this demo is 8MB. Travelers Tales did some really impressive stuff on the system for the time though. I remember always being amazed at the intro cutscene for Sonic 3D.

i think is some frame by frame vector animation, not real 3d, but kinda look like "low poly 3d" similar effect you can see in "another world" cutscenes, which is have less drawed lines per frame, but animation is more smooth

Yes it is!

fm is really flexible

Still waiting!

They said at the end of Overdrive 2 that they won't do another Megadrive demo and that they'll put their next efforts on the SNES. Probably the reason why the music gets sad :'|

This! 👍

Thank you for the kind words and welcome to the demoscene ❤️

You should visit. I went to Revision in 2018 and it was awesome! This video is the reason why I'm sad that I wasn't there in 2017.

I've seen some SNES demos/cracktros with impressive effects and techniques, ("Genesis does" jokes aside, it is an impressive machine in its own right) but I can't recall ever seeing any SNES demos that combined those techniques with such flawless pacing, storytelling and creativity, and with such a kick-ass soundtrack. (Many older SNES demos actually borrow their soundtracks from SNES video games, which I really don't approve of. IMO, one of the key aspects separating a poor or decent prod from a masterpiece is the music, and Strobe seriously delivers in that regard).

@Dean Satan that's true it's such a mess from a technical standpoint that it's ridiculous I rather code for the nes that the SNES

Only, this is a demo, not a playable game. The people who made this squeezed every last drop of performance from the Genesis that they could. In an actual game, any sort of demo like this would not only be constrained by the cartridge size, but by the amount of space the game code itself ate up. Every CPU cycle used to iterate enemy AI or check for collisions is one less cycle that can be used to render 3d.

@@Mrcake0103 Someone should make a game like Sacred line but with animations then :D