Titanfall 2 | The Problem With TONE 

nortstar buff please ..

1) Cooldown starts resetting once wall ends, not when it begins, just as you said 2) 40mm bullets explode (read: vanish) mid-air after a certain range, that way you are required to be within "mid" range to shoot otherwise you won't hit at all. Simply adding damage drop-off wouldn't be enough because you could shoot for the missile lock-on at longer ranges and still do plenty of damage with those. Ronin and Scorch already face similar limitations, Ronin's spread is too high to be of any use starting from mid ranges, and Scorch's projectile delay & drop-off makes it inconsistent for longer ranges so you are always tempted (a nice way of saying "forced") to get in closer. 3) Increase lock-on "ticks" to 4 instead of 3, there are already perks to help with that anyway. I think that would balance Tone

I would say rather than nerf Tone. Buff another titan to counter her more efficiently. For instance the titan with a railgun. Maybe have that rail gun be able to punch right through her particle shield.

Here's an idea. Her gun fires explosives, right? Weapons that fire explosives in real life use a timed charge activation. 40mm grenades are a perfect example of this. If you shoot someone point blank with a 40mm, it'll kill them but it won't explode. So, have her 40mm rounds only explode at mid to long ranges. Up close, they are direct impact only. Now, for range, I don't know if Titanfall 2 models velocity. But they could have the 40mm slow down dramatically at longer ranges, or if the model is simpler than that, just have a damage drop off to represent that. OR, have her rounds explode at a certain distance. This is representative of real world high caliber guns, like the P39N's 37mm. Its rounds exploded at a certain distance. Have that happen, and it will force her to use her missiles as a long range weapon, or force her to get up close.

I love how they rate tone as a 3 star for difficulty, like seriously who were the playtesters that thought Ion was easier to use than Tone? Seriously though, I completely agree, something needs to be done. My suggestion would probably be an overall reduction to her damage/making it harder to get locks. Also they definitely need to just reduce the damage of Salvo core, that shit is waaaaaay too stupid right now.

Even as a Tone user i would like to see her rebalance a bit, i like the idea of the wall not cool down while the wall is active. I think maybe a damage distance drop off would help too. Lastly i think something you didn't mention is maybe a cool down increase to use her rockets cause basically as long as you have a lock on you can fire the very powerful rockets.

Tone's Missiles needs a damn cooldown. I mean. Its cool they added the "Shot to add lock", but fuck. The 40mm can shoot so fast that it really doesnt matter. Give it a cooldown like everything else.

Just a FYI for you Northstar players; shoot that shield with the cluster missile. It keeps tones from hugging the shield so you can hover and pop a shot. Nice vid Tony Mo! Keep 'em coming.

instead of debuffing tone i think they should buff other titans

completely correct on every point. Would love to see flight core become useful for northstar, too.

I'm just here for the cool gameplay and to learn about the game to be honest Good commentary, I as a Titanfall noob understood what's up!

The rocket salvo should definitely be limited to two with cool downs on each, and enemy Titans should be notified when they are completely locked on by a tone.

I feel like the projectile size of the 40mm should be reduced. Keep it precise, but shoot a shell instead of a whale.

Don't stumble onto this video and make a silly comment telling me or anyone to "get good". If you really need validation I have a whole TF2 playlist featuring me shredding Tone players to pieces with other Titans. That does not change what I talked about here in this video. Not too mention so many people posting comments who have clearly not watched the video. Don't bumble about simply responding to headlines. When there are 3-4 Tones on average in a match, something needs to change. Titan stacking like that is not fun for anyone and provides no challenge or competitive play value for those involved.

This is gonna be long so I'll start with a TL;DR: Tone only needs slightly less accurate weapons and losing the pulses lock to be back in line with the other titans. Also there are counters to Tone, use them. Tone isn't as strong as people think, she's just really easy to get right, the learning curve is way flatter than other titans. To not nerf her into oblivion I wouldn't make radical changes but rather tweak the mechanics a bit. 1) The particle wall cooldown needs to start when the wall disintegrates, maybe even throw in a few seconds of cooldown and/or make the wall last a shorter time. If a player uses the wall that takes more damage this should be reflected in longer cooldown. 2) the tracking rockets should have a wider turning arc so it's a bit easier to dodge them. This or they should require a LOS to the locked target to launch. 3) the 40mm tracking cannons cone of fire should be increased so the long range sniping is a tad bit more difficult, but I would never take away splash damage. This game needs a titan that pilots fear, and Tone is the only one that does that consistently. I would however remove the Enhanced Tracker Rounds and replace them with a round that has zero splash but deals increased damage to titans, couple this with a slight damage reduction to regular rounds versus titans and you have to choose who to be effective against. 4) the pulse blade/flare/thingy is stupidly powerful, showing the entire team where the enemy is AND giving Tone free lock ons is OP, that I can agree on, IMO it should only do one of those things and I would prefer it to be the wallhack. Seeing people through walls is powerful as it is and this would also require Tone to actually show herself to be able to attack. This would also reduce what I think is peoples biggest gripe, Tone feels a bit like a cheat. She can launch the pulse, step out briefly to get the final lock, step back to safety and STILL hit you with her strongest attack. We have to remember that there are counters to Tone and if people use them they can be devastating. Tones weakness is close quarters and not having her wall to hide behind. Ion and Scorch can use their shield and simply march her down. Ronin can phasedash into meleerange. Legion can deny lockons with gunshield while outdamaging Tone, just make sure to not be an idiot with timing of the abilities. Northstar can actually bypass the wall by shooting OVER it, the cluster rocker is good for herding Tone, just shoot it on the side of the wall where you don't want Tone to be. I shouldn't have to tell anyone that you can't stand and trade damage with Northstar, she's too squishy. Charge your gun in cover, dash back into cover after firing, rinse and repeat.

This is why I didnt like the idea of Titan "classes". The customizable chasis from TF1 all saw equal use.

I'm not really an FPS player, but this game looks really fun. Do you feel the developers of Titanfall 2 are good at listening to their particular community, so they can make necessary changes?

Me: "Tone is a bit OP." Everyone: "Stop crying for nerfs and git good!" Glad to see some people share the same views I have about Tone.

"Just like Wing Zero" haha nice gundam reference

How about an extra shot before you get a lock on? Or you can't get a lock on at long distances you have to actually be mid to close ? Just some ideas

Every solution to everything good in video games is nerf it, fuckin buff the other titans, titans are supposed to be good

Yeah Tone's way OP. Gamertron is absolutely stupid saying the game is balanced, not just regarding Titans. The sonar should be a Northstar ability. That ability just suits Northstar, she needs to know where targets are and what they'll do. Tone doesn't need that shit with her other abilities that are absurdly strong. I find the slow trap ineffective a lot of the time. Tone should have the slow trap or something else entirely cause it's not that great honestly. Btw, love the Heero/Wing Zero reference. Point given for my nostalgie for Gundam Wing :).

Your vids have actually helped me out a lot I stumbled on to your channel by accident. you have helped me improve me pilot mobility.

Honestly I'm getting tired of this game cause the enemy team just use tone all the TIME so listen to the community respawn Nerf him.

What I find works is using Ronan's dash to an advantage. Dump 4 shots, dodge to the side while reloading, rinse and repeat. Salvo core? Phase dash out of it. Execute when they get doomed. Only titan I'm running from now on.

I don't find tone unstoppable. Salvo core won't do anything if a target goes behind cover (yes, titans can use cover, too), and particle wall won't keep you from getting flanked. Her cannon is powerful, but if you miss that first one shot kill on a pilot, their maneuverability can get them out of trouble, unlike ion, who can trail them with a splitter spray and likely kill them. Just my thoughts.

Tracking rockets out of range. Patch 1. 40mm three shots at long range, and two shots at anywhere else, no one shot precision kills. Tone has been fixed. In my mind.

Great vid. I have always had a problem with tone from day one. I'd like to see more of this content

TONE HIM DOWN (jk I don't even play this game dont kill me)

Some nerf suggestions to throw out there: [no more than a couple should be implemented at the same time or it'd be too much of a nerf] -make lock-on shots require 4 ticks -no lock-on ticks past a certain range -reduce gun ammo to 9 -increase reload time -decrease canon fire rate -increase canon shot gravity drop past certain distance -decrease gun accuracy (both zoom and unzoomed)

Nice video man! I love Titanfall 2 and record gameplay all the time. I just subbed you and keep up the good work!

love your vids man

When the nerf comes, it's important that tone keep the * *volume* * of rockets and the ridiculous salvo core, its such a mecha staple.

Why so many dislikes? Tone is OP, they need to add some sort of bullet drop off to the 40mm cannon and increase the cooldown of the shield.

I absolutely hate when you just get killed by a tracker shot when you’re a pilot out of nowhere

thank you for this video man , i love tone , just not when there are 3 of them hitting me with sonars and rocket barrages while hiding behind a wall that she can hit me through but i cant do the same lol

Nerf the Tone's special ability to make the damage output more in line with other titans or at least make it escapable for fuck's sake. Increase cool down on the particle wall and return the 40mm cannon rate of fire to Titanfall 1 levels. Also, reduce the tracking of the tracking missiles so they can at least be dodged. You can implement every one of these nerfs and still have a powerful balance titan. Tone is that OP.

Eh, particle wall really isn't that great tbh it's easily destroyed by legion's weapon and it's outright annihilated by northstar's cluster missiles, just fire one of those bad boys and it's going to be down in a matter of seconds. I do still like tone and recognize that she's pretty powerful, but I don't think particle wall is a reason why she is since there are TWO counters to it, I've had legions with gunshields just push my particle wall, spraying it down endlessly until it disappears and they're right in my face, forcing me to dash away. When a northstar fires a cluster at my shield, I have nothing to prevent or circumvent it, it just sits there blocking my vision and just eating my particle wall. I'm not denying the particle wall's effectiveness, I've completely screwed other titans like scorch over with it simply because his attacks did jack against my wall and firewall doesn't go through it either. I wouldn't mind some debuffs to tone, I should stress that.

I think that tone's main problem now is her core. Unlike other titans, she can use her core while staying behind her shield. It is also the ONLY core that does not require direct LOS.

All I'm really hearing is complaining mostly. Splash damage is normal for an explosive. Its also smaller and less damaging splash compared to a Tick Mine. For those mentioning its a grenade and should have a time effect. When a grenade is being shot out with a great amount of force and makes contact with a form of resistance. The explosives within will be compressed and forcibly activated, ignoring its timer which if you guys don't notice it does have.

welp I'm sold just subscribed

got my sub because the gundam reference

Enjoyed the video. Subbed!

very well thought out . good video

oooh, A gundam fan. Nice. Mind if I ask what is your favorite gundam?

why do people keep calling Titans "she"?

hey good video! on top of making the particle wall regen slower i think they should also add more spread to the 40mm making it less accurate over range therefore forcing you to close the distance in order to accurately land shots. also nerfing the health on the particle wall would help the pacing of the game in general since those things really disrupt gameplay and make it a little too slow sometimes.

ive never played Tone, and i have a question, does he have infinite lock-on rockets?

Tone for president

Alternator and tone? The ultimate cancer loadout.

I would love to see a cool down added to the rocket salvo. It is nuts to be able to spam out that much dps.

I lost it at the Heero Yui comment! Great video!!

fuck no tone is fine the way she is

I would like tone's lock to only happen when you hit a crit on titans, besides just a body shot, and you can't get a lock from a distance; and for salvo core, you will need a full lock to fire it

Here's a thought. Increase the number of shots to hit a homing barrage to 5 instead of 3? What about making it so particle wall blocks both outgoing and incoming damage? Also what are people's thoughts on using Scorch or Northstar for anti-particle-wall tactics? In my experiences as Northstar, I can use a single charge shot (and one followup normal shot) to un-wall almost any tone putting them on CD for their defense. Doesn't Scorch's abilities hit past wall?

I havent thought of using the salvo core like that. launching them straight up when they are using their "shield" like that. its just so op, I wouldn't want to do that except other tones.

Ana crush cooldown on the missiles would be nice. It's so quick to just get another lock-on. Also particle wall cooldown after its down as you said

30 second cooldown for partical wall, 40mm detonates at mid range regardless of hitting a target or not and make Legion and and north star's main weapons hard counters to partical wall by making the Legion's gun heavier hitting and make northstar's rail-gun shots fly right through the partical wall (with a 25%damage reduction penalty of course) hitting TONE with a big nerf-bat is not the answer, a mild nerf with giving opponents a hard counter is.

I play Ion, and what i do against Tones is i try to engage them from long range so its harder to hit me and where I can use my laser shot to cause damage. i also do it so I have time to get behind cover and react to her missiles. But thats all i can really do, shes difficult to fight.

Sabot tracker rounds. Under a certain distance, it doesn't apply charges because the casing hasn't split in flight yet. Damage stays the same, and this makes sonar pulse actually have a more specialized utility for close range defense.

I say keep Tone the way she is and buff up Legion. im not sure if tone is supposed to be greater than him but that gatling gun should have the ability to destroy that shield with one belt of ammo or a near full belt with a charged shot. it honestly sucks when you see several titans with a legion hit that shield and it holds the way it does I love Tone, the only way she can be perfect for me is if she rocked the XO-16 chaingun. R.I.P. XO-16 chaingun. would love Ion if he had it

Yo, Wing Zero was dope as fuck! That one reference made me understand everything immediately!

love the Gundum wing refrince.

ion is the counter with the bullet vortex when tone gets hits on u and locks on u use to missles and the laser shot

What about adding a small 3/4 second cooldown to the tracking rockets, so that tone could not just spam them?

I have found through playing that one good weakness is charging insanely aggressively like using ronin with turbo engine and rushing also a good scorch can arc shot over shields and use that crazy dps

What about switching the defensive ability with Northstar? It would make sense for both

my siggestions for tone would be 1. cooldown on the shoulder missiles 2. damage dropoff or a mid air explosion on the 40mm like the mgl has 3. particle wall cooldown starts when the wall is destroyed 4. decrease height of particle wall

For me as a Tone Main, I have to say, yes, I see your points, but despite me performing well above avarage inside or outside a Titan in this Game, I do get killed in my Tone easily, if I'm outplayed, or get charged in Numbers. Also, anti-titan weapons like the MGL are Tone's worst nightmare, if it's someone using cover right and flanking you while you are engaged or he blinds you with an Arc Nade. The worst for Tone in my opinion is Ronin. He just blocks whole Salvo Rockets and even Core Rockets with his sword with only a percentage going through and actually doing damage. Also, he can easily dash through the particle wall and start shooting with the shotgun and hack away at you, use Phase Shift at your Core-Ult, etc. and can use that electric Wave, disorienting and damaging you, forcing you to move, and maybe cornering you. As to how Tone could be more evened out with the other Titans, I'd say buff most other Titans, as I find Ion's Maingun damage pathetic, and make Tone's 40mil explode after so and so many meters. but Thats about it IMO. You can always nerf something again later on if it's still too powerful, but all of you really do look like whiners, when you list 3-5 things you want nerfed about Tone.. and if they would nerf it that much and it becomes utter crap, you'd all be like "Well deserved for those Tone Mains" or "Well I don't play Tone, so.. too Bad, sucks for you for playing Tone now". Buff other Titans, nerf/tweek/add only little of the existing things

It seems like some of this was actually done, the cooldown for the particle wall is well, well over 13 seconds at this point. It's more like 20 or 30. It honestly feels like a minute, but I know that's probably a bit much. I'll check for sure tonight and time it when I get into multiplayer.

I can definitely get behind the shield wall change, but I'm not sure about how much you'd be able to change the splash damage of the 40mm Cannon. Another thing to take note of with Tone's weapon is the fact that it is a physical shot that arcs over distance, meaning you have to be extremely skilled to get beyond mid-range combat when arcing is involved. One overall change I think that needs to be made is that "Doomstate" should actually have health fall away to zero and death like in TF1 did before, not just allow perpetual fighting. That right there is part of the problem when fighting against Titans like Tone or Legion, where you can put them down but they keep going because the health doesn't just constantly drop.

I don't plat titanfall 2 or know the names of everything but I think that there should be a cooldown on the tracking rockets and the 40 mm cannon should have a slower rate of fire in addition to the splash damage.

Another nerf might be to make it for five shots to lock on the missles instead of the three shots it is now, that could make that one ability where critical hits count as two seem more usefull.

Particle Wall reduction is tops but perhaps less rounds in the cannon with less splash, too. And the tracking rockets maybe should have 1 chance to zone in. Expanding on that..If you use your core and fire in the sky, then aim down, that should be it. To be able to then look up and reset the rockets is just too much plus the wall.

Great video again, I'm really loving the quality you put into these and the subjects you go into. I believe Tone needs a bit of conditions to her abilities. 1. Lock-on should have to stay in her field of view, if a target manages to escape Tone's view, it should reset. 2. The Particle Shield should have a longer cool-down, even if just a few seconds longer, and the cool-down should only begin when the shield goes out. 3. Her explosive rounds should explode after a certain distance, forcing her into mid-range. Ronin already has this limit where his pellets quickly spread wide and then burn out after a certain distance. I believe these few tweaks would greatly re-balance Tone, while keeping true to her concept.

For the range they should just make it less accured. Like that the projectile wouldn't go straight forward but after traveling certain distance they would kinda change direction

add a cool down to the Rockets with r1. all it takes is for her to lock on and that make take a second where as everyone else has to suffer due to cool downs.

I unlocked Tone the yesterday and was really excited because The 40 cal was my favorite titan weapon

I say make the tracking rockets auto detonate after so much distance, to prevent rocket sniping, and make the spread of the 40mm larger so that's it accurate at mid range yet more disadvantageous at longer ranges

It's no secret that tone is a powerhouse, absolutely. When I first started playing the game it was my go-to titan just because of the versatility. Now every titan does have a counter that, if used well enough, can take down the other. A great example would be an Ion/Legion combo. Who's going to win if both pilots are equal in skill? The Ion, due to the shield. You've just got to find things that work well for you that you can play into your strategy. Personally I like using scorch for tones, or even ion. Once a pilot pops the shield just walk through it... Tones only have one dash. From there it's cake, especially with the close range capabilities that scorch has and the reflective power that gives ion its super strength. But yeah, tone is still pretty high up there, especially when I'm playing competitively. I kind of feel like the strengths are built in and permanent due to the lack of customization in the chassis and such.

lol, during the free weekend Ronin was my thing. I went super aggressive with an extra dash and a decreased cool down on phase shift... it was wonderful.

im not having a problem with those with my scorch. on a open field may be a bit. but in close encounters i melt anything away.

Maybe they could balance tone by having a sweet spot on the tracking ring, so at long distance you don't get as much tracking as short or medium, so you would have to shoot 5 shots to get the lock instead of 3....

Random Idea. 1) Particle wall acts more like Amp wall from the pilot set: Larger cool down (can't Chain them) but increases damage when fired through the wall. 2) Replace 40mm with the brutes quad rockets. Lower damage and only allow "pings" from single rockets while ADS. This slows the lock on's, reduces the "sniping" ability but increases the splash damage. 3) Switch core ability with Northstar (this allows Northstar to rocket snipe across the map (her roll) and then have Tone as a barrage master (her new roll) The flight part will still stay with Northstar) This should create a more of a combo type where the shield, aimed rockets and tactical ability must be used for greatest effect but at a reduced duration, while turning the Tone in to a barrage specialist and not a mix sniper/tank/indirect titan

What about increasing the number of shots required for the lock-on missiles from 3 to, say, 5 maybe?

How about making her rockets have more of a cooldown? It feels less like an ability and more like a more powerful main attack. Its just 1..2..3..Rockets..1..2..3..Rockets..1..2..3..Rockets and so on. And you brought up a good point with the particle height. I play northstar all the time and its so frustrating that my hover doesnt allow me to shoot over the particle wall.

they need to add a range to her lock on. like after a certain distance the number needed to lock on increases. so tone can be more of a mid range support titan rather than a long range artillery. 3 for close range but 4 at 40 ft max range is five. the final range five isnt to allow long range attacks but more to track farther targets. if tone hits you five times over a long distance then you definitly need to be shot down. electric smoke also should be able to slowly decrease targeting, if a team mate uses his smoke you can use it to help but it should take a time to completly wipe it.

I use tone and the balance for it is it doesn't have best cooldown or range

they could also slightly decrease Tone's rate of fire, also they could make the particle shield a bit thinner

What if you give northstar tones area damage? It would make sense for tone, the shells would stick into the titan and that's how you lock on.

increase lock on segments to 4, increase particle wall charge time to 15 secs, and get rid of the salvo cores tracking, she already has a tracking rocket that can go over buildings, does her ultimate really need to do the same thing when it can one shot most titans? even ions ult takes more skill because you have to aim with it and not break aim during the whole ult to be effective. give the tracking ult rockets to northstar, makes more since for the sniper to have a ult that can snipe like that, especially since he's more exposed when he uses it.

A good way to bring tone down a little bit is to decrease the fire rate of the 40mm

How about having the normal lock on missiles on a cool down?

3 shots then rockets in the air then the wall then ault in the air over to hit them in the back at the same time 3 more shots with the rocket finisher truly OP

Just bought this game. Just looking out for tips. Enjoying the game

A lot of Tone's power comes from guided missiles, either from the Q or Core. There should be some ECM titan ability that will disrupt this guidance in a large area, possibly also providing some other benefit like scrambling the enemy radar. Currently you can safely launch missiles from behind cover AND have them autotrack, which is kinda ridiculous when compared to something like Ion's laser.

I tried tone with overcore. I was op the whole time!

When the intro music went on I was expecting to see red words going across the screen

when fired salvo core the damage drops of with the time the rocket hit slower action of firing rockets shoulder so it could be avoided and one more hit for unlocking rockets

The problem is definitely how the 40mm can be used at all ranges. If it either arced or dropped off at long ranges, I feel like most of her kit would still be viable at a medium to close range, but giving Titans like Northstar a place to counter Tone. This, or adjusting rocket salvo tracking and speed maybe?