Toby's Trap: PAID in SECRETS || A DELTARUNE Theory 

The cost of knowledge

@jobboersma2203 Some things are better left unseen…… 👌︎🕆︎❄︎ ❄︎☟︎☜︎☠︎ ✌︎☝︎✌︎✋︎☠︎📪︎ ✡︎⚐︎🕆︎ 💧︎✋︎💣︎🏱︎☹︎✡︎ 👍︎✌︎☠︎❄︎ ☟︎☜︎☹︎🏱︎ ✡︎⚐︎🕆︎☼︎💧︎☜︎☹︎☞︎⑤︎⑤︎ 👍︎✌︎☠︎ ✡︎⚐︎🕆︎⑤︎✍︎ ⚐︎☟︎ ❄︎☟︎☜︎ ☜︎✠︎👍︎🕆︎💧︎☜︎💧︎ ❄︎☟︎☜︎ ☜︎✠︎👍︎🕆︎💧︎☜︎💧︎📪︎ ☟︎⚐︎🕈︎ ❄︎☟︎☜︎✡︎ 🏱︎✋︎☹︎☜︎ 🕆︎🏱︎ ✌︎☠︎👎︎ 🏱︎✋︎☹︎☜︎ 🕆︎🏱︎ 🕆︎☠︎❄︎✋︎☹︎⑤︎⑤︎

You did a good job brother

Wow, good take on that... It honestly sounds just sad but, pretty good to me.

(I've never caught onto that before, but that's extremely interesting! Thank you for sharing!)

Ooo wait, that's actually a neat idea. Since the secret bosses have so far given helpful gear, like weapons or armor stronger than the chapter they're obtained in and with special effects to boot, the real challenge could be to NOT fight the bosses

(Bro, who the hell are you speaking for? When the game first came out, there were plenty people who didn't even know about the Jevil fight, and had to go back to do it. Of course, if someone were to play it for the first time right now they'd probably know from all the coverage. But Jevil also had his entire stuff hidden behind puzzles and specific areas that not everyone found easy, including myself. And I still know people to this day who haven't booted the game back up and done that fight. "Most people on their first run" and "really easy" are certainly some massive generalizations to make, when you're most likely just talking about yourself. Reading this reminds me of those annoying people who are just like "Erm, you didn't beat that boss on your first try? Erm, ackshually, that boss is super easy! If you struggle at all, you're just bad at the game" on gaming forums. Literally hate people who say stuff like that.)

@@GasterExplains sorry, I just meant that for now defeating the secret bosses does not at all mean that you looked up the answer online, it's an optional part of the game that's absolutely possible to find on your own, this isn't some PT type of situation where the solution is so ridiculous that nobody can find it on their own, so if the next bosses are the same level of difficulty, whatever they unlock can't be the "you looked it up didn't you" ending, and if they do become that much harder then defeating the first two would feel kinda pointless Technically even the snowgrave was found by one guy completely blind, so even that can't be considered impossible to find without looking at the game files Your theory is cool but it would require deltarune to break a fundamental law of game design that for now it very clearly isn't breaking

@@diamondmemer9754 (Seems we both misunderstood each other then. But my theory wasn't ever intended to be a "You looked it up, didn't you" thing ever. The community has already looked into the code for past secrets. The theory is that the game functions perfectly fine even if you remove the secret bosses. A world where you don't exist and everything runs fine without you to put it in goner kid terms. Just because you don't cheat the answers for the secrets doesn't mean you weren't intently looking for them. All the current shadow crystals are obtained by looking a little deeper than you ever had to do in the first place. The theory is "Because the community is so intent on SEARCHING for secrets--which occasionally leads to cheating, although not always--that it will cause a different ending.)

@@diamondmemer9754 (Undertale already builds upon and breaks the gaming norm of rpgs since you're not supposed to kill anything. You can complete the game without causing pain to others, and you don't have to finish everything or "100%" the game because you can get the best ending in the game without that. But now that we've posted that stuff online, the stuff that Toby said not to. Who's to say we that SHOULD be collecting those shadow crystals. Also, did the Snowgrave person really think nothing bad would happen once the dialog options started getting morally messed up? The route gives plenty of options to abort. At some point, I feel that it's hard to argue that it doesn't start to becoming searching for secrets.)

@@GasterExplains yes, but about the shadow crystals I don't see how that's a bad thing Looking for secrets and being rewarded with a secret boss sounds pretty standard, if it really didn't matter in the end, the message would just be "it's the journey that matters, if you only give worth to the things that matter in the end then nothing has value" And yes, punishment in moral terms for the bad route makes sense, but it won't have to do with looking for secrets Honestly I almost found the snowgrave route on my first run, and reset after freezing the first enemy because I wanted the pacifist run, but the enemy remaining frozen in the overworld clearly indicated that the action would have had consequences eventually

(I can't say I really agree with you on the Undertale Genocide part tbh. I'm convinced that having the 100% game completion mindset for at least a game like UNDERTALE has to have you be a little bit of an asshole. I say this as someone who's done it. But I've known plenty of people who refuse to even touch the Genocide route, so clearly, people care about it. Truth is, Undertale is a game where you define yourself on what is complete. And for some people, that tends to be True Pacifist and calling it a day. Although others will throw in Genocide in the mix. This is furthered by when Toby added Undertale to the Xbox gamestore, he was forced to make achievements for the game. But he made them all really stupid stuff. There is no achievement for completing Genocide or anything much else, because it isn't encouraged. If you play the game like an asshole, then you must accept you have been one. Undertale advertises itself as an entire whole as a game where "You don't have to kill anybody." So if you genuinely believe you can't complete the game without killing everybody, Toby's message is thrown aside. So yeah, we deserve to be laughed at it. The game deserves to remember. The POINT is to CARE. Therefore, the game is gonna do that. Now that being said, I do like lore and doing all things humanly possible, so yeah, I'm gonna kill everyone. But I've also accepted the game is going to laugh at me when I do that. Which, I have no complaints too. I already accepted it's part of the whole gig when you do it. We don't get to be above consequences.)

@@GasterExplains i myself did play undertale to its fullest, but i usually don't play any game with a completionist mindset (unless it's strictly required to), my concern is for the people who just want to play the game that way. i feel like it's completely valid even if i don't do it. the last part of your comment pretty much sums up how i feel about playing the genocide route, of course i care for the game (it wouldn't be one of my favs if i didn't), of course it hurts me to kill toriel or see sans "go to grillby's" at the end of the route. but i also understand and accept the consequences behind it. i think we may have a point in common here

(Yes... I do believe that's why it's called a theory. I can state random things that are also true.)

@@GasterExplains I've always believed everything somewhat subjective, if it was something good it'd be a spectacle, not a miracle, but manifestion of greatness and of grandiose.

@@GasterExplains But I do say, I do miss the old ways of the natives

@@GasterExplains Play, play, play, play they do, oh freedom I do ask of you, for it would be a pleasure for me and you, tell ain't I rather annoying, oh but wouldn't I like a little BOO, for the reapers of pain, for rather they are quite lame, paint thee a demon, I see rather then set me free, it's something you seek, I do take a peek, at the peeled bark, oh well a mark fo can, isn't much to blame, for you see them also quite lame, for now realize the same, Dame, and lame they all play some game, being quite lonely, can make you feel quite lowly, REMEMBER, lonely, FOR, lonely, CAN, only, BE, slowly, chips and chaper, nicks and nacker, for if they keep playing they only gain nothing, but sand, sand of time wasted, for they have could've earned, so there isnt quite much I haven't learned, but I always wish for this silly of joy and glee🪿🦢🦆

@Itshouldntbefinished (For whatever reason, I'm partially convinced that you're Toby Fox himself just shit-posting.)