Tonkawa Man-Eaters | The TERROR of Living With Cannibals

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Few groups in the Americas are discussed more in the context of cannibalism than the Tonkawa Native Americans. Their ritual practice of the act led many other tribes in their region to decide it was time to inflict serious damage on the tribe. In 1862 they were massacred, leaving their number a fraction of what they were prior. But there are serious questions as to whether or not cannibalism is really the reason for the attack. These same tribes tolerated the Tonkawa for hundreds of years prior. In this episode I dive as deeply as I am willing to go into the practice of cannibalism, the prevalence of cannibalism in the Southwest, and the hidden motives behind the attack. All of which is done to ponder the question: What would you do if you lived along side man-eaters?
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Cannibalism-the Ultimate Taboo-Is Surprisingly Common
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Columbus' Claims of Cannibal Raids May Have Been True After All
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Friends And Allies: The Tonkawa Indians And The Anglo- Americans, 1823-1881 by Thomas W. Dunlay
Great Plains Quarterly, Spring 1981
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Human Cannibalism
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Nine Years among the Indians by Herman Lehman (Book)
Notes on the History and Material Culture of the Tonkawa Indians by William K. Jones
Recollections of Early Texas: The memoir of John Holland Jenkins
The Terrible Truth: The Tonkawa Massacre of 1862 by Joseph Connole
Why Did Cannibals Eat Other People? (Hint: It's Not For the Calories)
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@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

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@SirLeDoux 9 часов назад

Many tribes practiced it- the Ojibwa tribe practiced ritual cannibalism as witnessed by French missionaries and written about. Its scary- A real life “ Bone Tomahawk “

@Tenskwatawa4U 4 месяца назад

"So what would you do if you lived next door to cannibals?" For starters, I wouldn't accept an invitation to come over for dinner...

@joncooke9515 6 месяцев назад

The Comanche raided a Tonkawa camp and the Tonkawa fled. The Comanche saw that they had left a Comanche leg roasting on their fire which was to have been dinner. The Comanche, enraged, pursued caught up with and de-limbed the Tonks, throwing their live, limbless bodies into a fire to watch them writhe like worms and hear their skin pop. Read Empire of the Summer Moon.

@carolynhayward7664 4 месяца назад

Good God Have people always been this horrifically cruel? is it learned or just the way we are It just makes me so demoralized that we are "supposedly" the intelligent ones" My vote... give the planet back to the animals and let the earth heal with no humans to wreak havoc on each other, the beasts, and this beautiful planet Why is it we have to destroy everything...ourselves and our kind included 😢 😢

@pennonN 2 месяца назад

@@carolynhayward7664Tbh just matters on how you are as a person and what culture you were in back then.

@allenvaughan1 2 месяца назад

Wow! I am now inspired to study this in deep.

@jamesgoode9246 2 месяца назад

The Tonks didn't eat the whole body. They each wanted a bite of a Comanche to transfer the war-like excellence of the Comanche into themselves. In reality, they were paying a big compliment to the Comanche.

@johnjones8888 Месяц назад

@@carolynhayward7664 and how pray tell, would you rid the earth of the humans?

@filipekraus2880 8 месяцев назад

I'm from Brazil and I liked your channel, Brazilian tribes practiced cannibalism as a form of ritual, mainly against enemy captives, as they believed they would consume and acquire the strength, courage and bravery of their enemies, there are famous stories like the end of Don Pedro Sardinha who was the first archbishop of Brazil had this fate after his ship sank, ironically he was dissatisfied with the mistreatment given to the indigenous people by the colonial administration and would complain to the king about it, another case would be that a German named Hans Staden was captured by one of these tribes , he witnessed this practice up close and wrote about it, he survived nine months being forced to fight alongside these Indians, some say that he pretended to be a coward so as not to be eaten but that is rumor, but he finally managed to escape and embark on a french ship

@JaemanEdwards 8 месяцев назад

Yes much like the Maori. Cannabilism was largely ceremonial, but in New Zealand with no big game, it was also an acceptable food source in times of need. Only the arms and legs were consumed along with the heart.. And the meat had to be prepared by a certain person.

@gorilla4lifeperry329 8 месяцев назад

Amen

@gatbos 7 месяцев назад

@@JaemanEdwardsyummie

@JaemanEdwards 7 месяцев назад

@@gatbos Similar to pork by all accounts. I fkn love pork.

@gatbos 7 месяцев назад

@@JaemanEdwards e z there munchums

@timmosssonshomeimprovement424 Месяц назад

I’ve read first hand accounts of some of the Great Lakes tribes being cannibals. I’ve also read that Indian tribes from around Michigan have a tie to Indians in Mexico in the state of Michoacán. Can’t remember which way they migrated, but suppose to be the same tribe. I’ve also read and heard of the copper mines in Northern Michigan being the source of the copper in the Middle East. Lastly, I’ve read the Incas crossed the Caribbean in great canoes to Florida and became Seminoles and possibly part of the Cherokee. I mention these things as suggestions for further research and stories on your part. As a long time history buff I found stumbling upon your channel as a pleasant and entertaining surprise. Very well done. Keep up the good work. Thanks for the history told in an engaging way.

@speakupriseup4549 8 месяцев назад

Tonkawa kid "Mom I HATE the Comanche's guts" Tonkawa Mom "ok fine, just eat the leg"

@martinalarcon3108 7 месяцев назад

The mother said put some Heinz sauce 57 😮😢

@Mrbread4579 7 месяцев назад

Gaw

@jshaw4757 6 месяцев назад

😂 good one

@theflamingone8729 5 месяцев назад

Part of the cannibal ritual protocol was they would start eating from the feet up. At one ceremony, one cannibal asked the other if he was enjoying the meal, he said he was having a ball, to which the other replied "Slow down, you're eating too fast!"

@rtopalovich 3 месяца назад

I see no humor in any of these comments.

@raukawa4732 6 месяцев назад

My father’s people were eating other humans until the later in the 1800s. They had the last cannibalism feast in NZ when they cooked 200 members of a rival tribe they had conquered. A few generations later and the two tribes intermarried and today I have relatives who belong to both tribes.

@theflamingone8729 5 месяцев назад

From a conversation between Governor George Grey and King Pōtatau Te Wherowhero as Te Wherowhero wanted rid of Europeans and their food. Te Wherowhero - We don't need Pakeha or their food, we have (lists native bush foods). Grey - What if I cut down the forest, you will have no food, what then? Te Wherowhero - Then I will eat you.

@taricklloyd5904 3 месяца назад

Wow what a story.... Horrendous & amazing. Crazy to think that they united after that.

@mwells409 2 месяца назад

the Maori are awesome. I cant remember the names for the life of me but i remember reading some account of a confrontation between settlers and a Maori tribe where the leader of the settlers tried to 'negotiate' with the tribe's leader and the Maori leader said something like why would i accept those terms when we could just kill you and turn you into our s**t... i think you get what he meant

@JamesWilliams-dz5tn 8 месяцев назад

“Wah-shi-taw” river. I live on the “poor side) of lake Texoma which is fed by the washita river (among many others) you can see the difference in the color of the water from where it flows in with all the silt. The “Ouachita” mountain range (pronounced the same and located on the border of Oklahoma and Arkansas) is just the french spelling of washita, which means good hunting lands. Located on the border of oklahoma and arkansas. The forced relocation of the five “civilized” tribes, known as the “trail of tears” the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Creek, Choctaw and seminole were forced to leave their ancestral homelands with innumerable casualties.

@kenday7942 4 месяца назад

This is the third presentation of yours I’ve watched. Not sure I got steered into it but I am finding your presentations to be outstanding. Very well presented with excellent oration.

@gladegoodrich2297 8 месяцев назад

While visiting the Mesa Verde cliff dwellings, the guide said, we cant understand why they moved into the cliffs? They lived on the Mesa's for thousands of years. He didn't want to hear the truth, cannibalism. When the drought came and crops failed they started eating each other. Moved into the cliffs for protection from their neighbors.

@johnfyten3392 8 месяцев назад

The Tonkawa definitely shouldn't have eaten any Comanche. Of all the people to eat

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

Seems like real risky business. But they found that out at the end.

@ericwilliams6146 8 месяцев назад

@user-km7qu7pn1v 8 месяцев назад

yup they messed with the wrong ones

@user-km7qu7pn1v 8 месяцев назад

bet ya the commanche ate people too though.

@tommydeadwood 8 месяцев назад

Depends on their culture. If they believed they would absorb the prowess of their victims, they would definitely want to munch on some Comanche. But I get what you’re saying, Comanche were the last tribe you wanted problems with.

@RomulusGREATWOLF Месяц назад

I had a paper route in 1975, and I met the last living full blood Tonkawa woman of her tribe.she sat in a book room and she would tell me about her tribe how they were all killed. She was the last of her tribe. I was always so sad for her. THAT WAS 50 YEARS AGO.

@RCSVirginia 8 месяцев назад

In the early morning hours, nothing gets one as energized and eager for a day's raiding on the plains as warm bowls of the Tonkawa delicacies Chili con Comanche and Albóndigas de Apache.

@nathanielerskine1875 8 месяцев назад

Yummy.

@SteveFrench613 5 месяцев назад

it makes a turd.@@nathanielerskine1875

@tonypage9302 8 месяцев назад

Not too be that guy, but Herman Lehmann spent nine years amusgst the Indians, mostly with his captures the Apache, and later joined comanche after killing a apache medicine man in self defense & feared retaliation, the title of the book is nine years amongst the Indians & its a great read for anyone interested..

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

It is a great read. I have far too many careless mistakes. Just misremembered the title and didn’t check my notes when I pulled quotes. I actually made a full length video on his story back in the spring. It’s one of my more popular videos, called Apache Prisoner. His story is awesome and the book is pretty short and easy for anyone who wants to check it out.

@maxelldenomie6131 7 месяцев назад

When i much younger, my mother would tell me things-family stories and tribal history...one of the latter was that in the long ago (before Columbus), far to the West was a large nation of man-eaters. They became so open and bold in their way, they would raid and herd captives back and feast. In disgust, horror and outrage, tribes hundreds of miles around banded, formed a coalition...and at an arranged time, swept down on them and erased them, including their old people and children and babies. Not even their name is anymore. PS-im of the Oklahoma Kiowas, the Maunkee clan.

@justmakingthistoreply5085 7 месяцев назад

Maybe that’s what happened to the Anasazi. The Anasazi likely turned into Cannibals when the Aztecs came north and the Anasazi adopted their customs. Historians make this assumption because Anasazi were found to have some of the same body piercings the Aztecs had like drilling holes in their teeth. But no one knows what truly happened to the Anasazi as they just disappeared and there is no written history

@alexsetterington3142 2 месяца назад

That's interesting as it sounds like the story of the love lock cave people

@freelivefree7221 8 месяцев назад

A study of history tends to keep me from having to high opinion of humanity.

@ION400 8 месяцев назад

"I'ma go hug my dog" 😆 Thanks for uploading, your narration is well paced and delivered

@mikefranklin1253 8 месяцев назад

There were 2 cannibalist tribes in Texas. Actually the Tonkawas fought for Texas settlers often. They just did not share a victory feast.

@pattipelayo1389 8 месяцев назад

I'll always remember ( I'm 70 yrs old ) how shocked I was when my hi-school Texas history teacher, for the 1st time telling us about the Karonkawas... cannibals... you'be got to be kidding !!

@dherman0001 5 месяцев назад

Dude, only 2? Likely many more.

@Texasbluestunes 4 месяца назад

Yes.. the Karankawa

@therighttap6873 8 месяцев назад

I never new such a tribe existed…gives bone tomahawk a whole new look lol.

@thechiefwildhorse4651 8 месяцев назад

Go look at your local abortion clinics -COMANCHE NATION

@joshuathomas043 8 месяцев назад

Wild you bring that up and really that I saw this video recommended in my YT because I JUST watched that movie for the first time late last night. So when I saw this, I HAD to watch.

@W47689 7 месяцев назад

@joshuathomas043 I literally j watched it aswell. It got me wanting to look if anything remotely similar existed

@leojablonski2309 7 месяцев назад

Yeah, swallowing that whistle.... .eeeccchhhh

@MM33633 4 месяца назад

Yeah!

@BongDonky 8 месяцев назад

Stellar job with information and delivery. Thanks for your efforts. Saluto!

@dariusbaja21 8 месяцев назад

Yes I finally got notified this time around that u have uploaded. As always amazing video , thank u for making my sad Friday night a little bit better . Have a great weekend

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

I’m happy to hear this topic made someone’s day “better.”

@so-dan-bought-some-land 8 месяцев назад

Awesome way to start the weekend with a Dates & Dead guys video.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

Let’s Go!

@edwardlangdon9256 8 месяцев назад

Your video’s get better and better. Keep up the excellent work.

@ignaciosalas8241 8 месяцев назад

Great video! You should look into the conquistadors and the natives of northern Argentina, the guarani. They were cannibals similar in a way to what you talk about here!

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

I have a few ideas for South Americans videos featuring conquistadors. Ripping into their accounts is always wild.

@ignaciosalas8241 8 месяцев назад

Would love to see one! The Inca vs the guarani was one of the craziest feuds Ide I’ve ever heard of! Their mix of cannibalism and taking women as money has always stuck with me.

@Andy-im3kj 8 месяцев назад

Just like the Aztecs, after ritual sacrifices were done, the human meat was used to create what is known now as "Pozole". Instead of human meat now pork meat is used.

@user-qt4ee4nb1h 7 месяцев назад

We of the Gulf Creek enjoyed frsh fish, shrimp, and oysters. We also had many vegetables and berries. Because of this diet we were unusually tall and lean. Also a peaceful people who didnt have to worry about food. We avoided the people eaters.

@brigandboy1425 6 месяцев назад

Cannibalism is a practice for a people who cannot and will not make peace with their enemies. It dictates that you will either survive and be stronger than others, or be wiped out eventually by them. The practice is basically the burning of the ships upon landing; it leaves you and your group no choice but to fight and survive, to insulate and conquer, because the stain is so great that as soon as you are deemed weak, the other monsters will wipe you out, because even monsters remember when they have been hurt by you. I imagine that kind of act isn't something a people can forget, even over many generations. So stretch that dynamic across decades or centuries, but never really take away the stigma, and you have the Tonkawa's situation. The Aztec kept it going because no one before the Europeans could wipe them out and stop them. Why stop doing something that no one can stop you from doing when to stop at all would be to show weakness? Especially when showing weakness means you and yours will be devoured instead... Love your videos. They have thusfar been absolutely fascinating.

@Mr.Grumbdy 8 месяцев назад

Excellent video. Very educational. I am from the southwest . I am from Nogales Arizona. It is a place that is rich in native history .

@SAB3R2TH 7 месяцев назад

very knowledge, very poise, good choice of words learning alot of new things from you keep up the good work! God Bless America

@justinwynn7946 8 месяцев назад

There's that face! Good job with the lighting, bud👍 Great video and subject... as always

@dougdillon1271 8 месяцев назад

Great video! Keep them coming!

@Deejay4Real 8 месяцев назад

Really hugging your dog at the end had me crying laughing bro! 😂🤣😂🤣

@STVODVIL 8 месяцев назад

Awesome topic and video. I can’t think of a perspective missed when dealing with such a complex topic.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

That’s good because it is a tough one to navigate. Thank you.

@bc2578 8 месяцев назад

I can. What about the undeniable fact that humans might just be fn delicious? I think the Papua New Guineans call humans "long pig."

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

@bc2578 It makes me uncomfortable that we might be delicious.

@STVODVIL 8 месяцев назад

@@bc2578 I don’t know, I heard clowns taste funny.

@samthomson3394 8 месяцев назад

@@bc2578humans taste like pork because we feed domestic pigs our food scraps so our meat taste very similar.

@coldsteelrail1123 8 месяцев назад

I read a book from Bernal Diaz? First hand account to the Cortez invasion. He was just a common soldier that decided to write a book about his experience... wild stuff

@davidchosewood647 8 месяцев назад

I've read a few of the diaries of Spanish conquistadors. They're pretty fascinating. Read one where a guy talks about encounters with cannibal tribes in the American south. Tells about attending one of their ceremonies where they were cooking human organs in a kettle. He said the smell made him and his men throw up. Can't remember what tribe he was talking about or if it still exists. Anyway crazy reading.

@alanhorvath9642 8 месяцев назад

I eat cannibals, it's incredible. It brings out the animal in me I eat cannibals.

@coldsteelrail1123 8 месяцев назад

@alanhorvath9642 u eat people that eat people?

@stevenhall2408 8 месяцев назад

Very interesting. I am Caddo on my moms side, married an early French soldier/settler in Louisiana. There were some stories of cannibals in South West Louisiana separate from the Caddos further north.

$@soonerfrac4611$

@soonerfrac4611 8 месяцев назад

Cannibalism has been an often overlooked and more often rejected as false by many tribal leaders today. It was a major issue that white settlers had when they first arrived and it’s why many tribes that didn’t participate in the practice frequently flocked to them for protection form those who did. Sadly, today we’re given the Disney version of the of history pre & post contact American tribes.

@oldluke7653 8 месяцев назад

@@soonerfrac4611Wytes Bad 🤤

@williamespinosa9094 7 месяцев назад

You do great work,sir. It's always a pleasure to watch your channel. Appreciate you, sir 👊 ❤🇺🇸

@noahrodriguez293 8 месяцев назад

My tribe and our brother nations, Kickpoos, Shawnees and Delawares, were at Ft. Cobb that night. I believe Connole mentions them in the article. I told my aunts & dad all about it, amd we agreed that our grandparents were much tougher than we are now, and we're glad that we live today, and not back then

@sababaratashvili8629 8 месяцев назад

"we agreed that our grandparents were much tougher than we are now" Just the new tech provides us with luxury that makes us softer than people in the past.

@gatbos 7 месяцев назад

@@sababaratashvili8629not to mention ice cream, french fries n hamburgers are easily attainable

@tudyk21 8 месяцев назад

10:53 Karankawa cannibalism is a long held tale. I think Cabeza de Vaca was aware of it. I've never heard of Lipan Apache cannibalism. I live about 20 miles north of the Lipan Hills in S. Texas.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

I debated long about whether or not to include that. I found them mentioned twice in scholarly articles as having cannibal rituals (they are listed in the episode description). But the references lacked details which makes me uncomfortable. But I also did a whole series on the Apache, and read many books, and don’t recall that ever coming up. That said the Lipan had frequent contact with Spanish Missions and the “Have you eaten human flesh?” Question in the catechism came from their experiences. I would have to dig a little deeper to be sure but I am confident in the source work. Thanks for the comment.

@tudyk21 8 месяцев назад

@@datesanddeadguys I appreciate your thorough research.

@davidmuir7711 8 месяцев назад

Olive Oatman and her sister were snatched by Tonkies. They were given mostly raw meat and that is most likely what caused the sister to weaken and die. The girls loathed the Tonk diet although they knew better than to refuse to eat. Hey! You don’t suppose the raw meat they were eating was actually… blargh!

@My-cat-is-staring-at-you 8 месяцев назад

They were taken by Yavapais and Olive's sister didn't die until years later, by which time they were with the Mohave.

@JaemanEdwards 8 месяцев назад

Raw meat is fine to eat normally.

@FuzzyWuzzy75 8 месяцев назад

Hey, everything tastes better with enough Texas Pete lol.

@gustavoramos2441 Месяц назад

I just found this channel and its amazing!!!!

@chasevideo 8 месяцев назад

Hey man I've been watching and been subscribed to you since the kidnapped by comanche over a year ago now. I love you're videos and hopefully you continue to make them. Hopefully you can make videos on some other tribes that would be very good. My suggestion is the myaamiaki tribe and ST clairs defeat, it is lesser known and is a very good story.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

I just read the Wikipedia page. I can’t believe I have never heard of this one. Especially since I am a bit of a Washington fan boy. It happened during his administration. I would have thought that the over 600 soldiers killed would have been more newsworthy. These armies back then were not that big so this defeat is wild. Worth looking into. Thanks for the tip. And its super cool to hear from people who have watched the channel a while. That Comanche video was my 6th ever. I had under 20 subscribers when it was realeased.

@brandonlee747 8 месяцев назад

I love you are videos.

@chasevideo 8 месяцев назад

@@datesanddeadguys ofc man it's unknown but is still one of the biggest us army defeats in history.

@imurgodsgod 8 месяцев назад

@@datesanddeadguysyou even type like you write scripts lol I can hear you saying it like a video perfectly

@hellohellohello111 6 месяцев назад

Wow!

@annclayton3420 8 месяцев назад

Thanks. And thanks for putting your style into your narrative. Well did!

@harlanhollywoodcavin1874 8 месяцев назад

Kiowa- kai•uh•wuh Washita- wash•it•tah Caddo -cad•doh

@bwalbwal7895 8 месяцев назад

I love watching your videos! Ben from Australia.

@FRACTALSLY 8 месяцев назад

Aho, Good stuff bro. Could you talk to Pow Wows? I have been to a few im Cali but it's difficult to explain to those who've never attended. I wish to go to another if I could, beautiful gathering and it was impressive. thnx

@adamstephenson7518 8 месяцев назад

Love the video 🤙

@dmeinhertzhagen8764 6 месяцев назад

The French Jesuit relations books relate several different instances of ritual cannibalism amongst different tribes way back in the 1600’s. Hurons, Petun, Iroquois, Ottawa, etc The first white man to set foot in Ontario (Étienne Brûlé) was eaten by Mohawks if I remember correctly.

@johnnyscapes6918 4 месяца назад

Great historical insight !

@mikeable1376 8 месяцев назад

Thanks again like your work.

@superdrunkdnb 8 месяцев назад

You deseve way more subscriptions!

@vonpilcher3900 8 месяцев назад

If my Texas history is correct, the Tonkawa were a relatively new tribe at the time, perhaps of dispersed Karwankawa and Coahuiltecan.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

Their language is related to the Karwankawa so there is some relation there.

@SuperDave-vj9en Месяц назад

You, sir, are a great orator! It seems to come naturally to you. Thanks

@juanzulu1318 8 месяцев назад

Ethically speaking torturing an enemy is worse than eating a dead enemy.

@JaemanEdwards 8 месяцев назад

Definitely

@marccrener497 8 месяцев назад

Even the dogs seems terrified after the story xD Great video, it was really a good window to begin ma deep delve in precolumbian history of North America!

@danieldonegan6914 2 месяца назад

At some point could you do an episode on the Karankawa? They too were cannibals and were hated by all other tribes. I love your channel.

@charlesartificer2158 8 месяцев назад

Like your videos found them very interesting. Just have one question. Whats up with the flashing I see on some of your videos when your showing the artwork stills?

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

The intention was to make the film feel more grainy. Maybe the effect doesn’t do what I have intended. Not a fan?

@charlesartificer2158 8 месяцев назад

@@datesanddeadguys not really. Im not epileptic but I have noticed that if I watch several videos that have it I get a headache. Thanks for responding and being cool about it. Good manners seem to be hit or miss on RU-vid. Earned my subscription.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

@charlesartificer2158 I appreciate the feedback. I’m just trying to make good videos. If stuff doesn’t work I want know. Thank you.

@charlesartificer2158 8 месяцев назад

@@datesanddeadguys no problem. I am enjoying the history of the old west.

@davidchosewood647 8 месяцев назад

Tuned in to watch an educational video and got a commercial.

@peternicholson1167 6 месяцев назад

I'm English but this show was great in the context of learning history

@lionhounds 8 месяцев назад

Not one mention of the that chemical that if mentioned by name will disappear my comment. It's present in human blood when one experiences mortal terror. Many tribes tortured before consuming those captured in battle. Some say this practice goes on today, in the highest circles of society.

@JaemanEdwards 8 месяцев назад

Adrenaline ?

@ElectrickWizard 8 месяцев назад

@@JaemanEdwards He thinks adrenochrome is a real thing that gives people power because he's a batshit conservative who doesn't live in reality.

@Daniel15391 4 месяца назад

Absolutely correct Thanks for mentioning this

@Daniel15391 4 месяца назад

@@JaemanEdwards Adreochrome

@sergiorodrigomeyer5005 8 месяцев назад

Oi amigão sou fã do seu trabalho. Continue assim

@Kazen169 8 месяцев назад

most human quote that i feel in my soul "this was a pretty dark one, I'm going to go hug my dog" *subscribed*

@disdain201 7 месяцев назад

They also did this back in the pacific islands nothing is more disrespectful than eating & pooping someone’s loved ones out

@Ureconstructed День назад

Well done, sir. Bravo.

@Erymanthios_Kafros Месяц назад

Hey there, amazing channel, put me in the rabbithole of Indian history books. I read Bury My heart at Wounded Knee (could you please review this one? ), and now I am reading Empire of the Summer Moon. Where do you get this artwork? Especially the style you used in the thumbnail. It is very beautiful.

@HellAintHalfFull 5 месяцев назад

The Atapaka tribe from Southeastern Texas, what is today Houston, also practiced cannibalism.

@mnbvcxz109ify 3 месяца назад

You're good in my history book. Thanks brother

@artfantasies 7 месяцев назад

Hey, your Grandpa had a great motorcycle ... just looked at the 2 cylinder engine, it looks like the one of the new Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor. ... Anyway, keep up the good work!

@Music-lx1tf 8 месяцев назад

News to me. Thank you for the education.

@brycepardoe658 8 месяцев назад

Very interesting! I'm Māori. We are a Polynesian people. Among all Polynesians survival cannibalism is acceptable. Specifically among my people Māori war cannibalism was also traditionally practiced. In fact most Māori (myself included) don't see anything wrong with it in its proper context. I never knew about the Tonkawa till now. They are like us! A very interesting tribe.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

A ton of the information on see on the topic comes from the pacific. Without being anywhere near an expert it seems like it has been a much more recent practice than the way the west typically feels about it. I have considered doing more research on that region if this video is successful. I would love to know more. Thank you for your comment.

@brycepardoe658 8 месяцев назад

@@datesanddeadguys A good observation! I can't speak for other Polynesians but I know that that for my people women & children were banned from participating in it. High ranking men like chiefs also tended to avoid engaging in it. For the most part this was a practice among Tūtané. The warriors that do the actual fighting. I think the proper word for that might be infantrymen I don't know. But it was for the killers. Women & children weren't even allowed to witness it. Chiefs would also go somewhere else when it happened. It was done for two reasons. One was to turn the enemy into shit. The second reason is to become possessed by the spirit guardians of one's tribe. When a warrior does that he opens himself up spiritually to becoming possessed. I'm research on the Tonkawas further. Amazing video.

@tudyk21 8 месяцев назад

Among Papua New Guinea people, kuru was common. Due to cannibalism.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

This is interesting. It’s almost like a trope in films where a protagonist is conflicted between doing something that is forbidden in order to gain strength. Something that others in his group would never do. Maybe the forbidden thing comes at a great cost. These ceremonies in cannibalism were often not public. Like brash young men coming to age doing something to gain an edge over their enemies who they see as existential threats. I never considered the “turn the enemy into shit” aspect but logically it makes a lot of sense.

@brycepardoe658 8 месяцев назад

@@tudyk21 Yes! From eating the brains. Māori only eat the limbs. A tohunga (I guess that would be a priest) of my tribe taught me the process. No hands, feet, or face. It's also a specific guy that prepares and cooks the enemy. Take the meat from the limbs and mince it. Cook that minced meat with vegetables and serve it. According to my tohunga if a warrior sees cooked hands, feet, or a face it will give him nightmares.

@sarahkatepeterson1 8 месяцев назад

What a handsome dog! Neat video.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

Don’t call me a dog.

@trentk268 7 месяцев назад

Most people don't realize how nasty the Texas Comancheria was. It was even worse in South America.

@Jibily1 8 месяцев назад

Your dog is so cute!

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

His name is George and he is a very good boy.

@markconlon814 8 месяцев назад

Your grandfather had good taste in motorcycles, a British Ariel square four, keep these great videos coming!

@chrisrus1965 8 месяцев назад

Just because you can nibble doesn't mean you should.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

Good advice.

@LXEagle 10 дней назад

Cool video. :) For next maybe as a balance What happened to captured comanches? Did the europeans adopt native children before the time of reservations?

@solyluna1778 8 месяцев назад

In the Tonga and Solomon islands, it was practiced for sport...

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

If this video is successful I have thought about exploring the predatory aspect that some groups practiced in that region. I have had a hard time finding research on it but I know there are groups that hunted people by canoes. Raiding like Vikings. Keeping human caches as snakes on the trip. Really crazy stuff.

@marcwhittle9810 8 месяцев назад

There is also endocannibalism as the only proper funerary practice of disposing with the dead (and loved dogs lest the dead return as spectral zombie like 'por'e') is still in use with the Yanomami of northern Amazon region of Brazil and Venezuela although they find the actual practice of cannibalism abhorrent. While the Gua-Jibo no longer practice cannibalism it was known well into the 20th century and I have discussed this with some elderly Gua-Jibo who remembered the practice and spoke openly about it. For the Gua-Jibo of the Llanos of Colombia and Venezuela it was identical in purpose as for the Tonkawa except the processing of the victim was different and there were some taboos in place that were strictly adhered to.

@SirLeDoux 2 месяца назад

Many tribes practiced “ ritual cannibalism “ and its written about by French Missionaries in the Great Lakes region. They would torture and kill then eat captured enemies. As for the cannibals seeming to have more strength or bring braver that could be due to the eating of the adrenal glands and the ingesting of Adrenachrome……which is %100 real stuff.

@zb7766 8 месяцев назад

Great video, as usual! The way you tell stories is so engaging! You should look into/make a video about the tribes around the Great Lakes (anishinabe/Ojibwe, haudenosaunee/Iroquois, etc). There is a lot of interesting history/battles that occurred in this area that I think would make great stories. For example, the battle at the west end of the st Mary’s straits in 1660s, the battle of blue mountain in 1696, Pontiacs uprising - rebilion on fort michikimackinac - 1763 (just to name a few).

@shirleybalinski4535 6 месяцев назад

I'm with you as I'm a resident of the Upper Lakes. Lots of Native history there. Historians tend to view these Natives in as peaceful, Gardners. Nothing could be further from the truth. All anyone has to do is read. Some of these accounts are truly horrific.

@user-km7qu7pn1v 8 месяцев назад

great videos btw - love the channel lol

@roderickreilly9666 2 месяца назад

CONTEXT AND THE BIGGER PICTURE 1) the Comanche were no prize, and terrorized most Texas tribes once they arrived on the scene in the 18th century. 2) had I been a Texan, I would've taken any indigenous allies I could. Common practice. Quite a few tribes were willing to ally with both Texans and Mexicans against the hated Comanche interloper. 3) ritual cannibalism was very common among the northeastern and great lakes tribes.

@justbe1451 8 месяцев назад

Taking a life seemed to have more meaning back then, it is so different today.

@chasevideo 8 месяцев назад

gang violence has alot of meaning, more than you think.

@davidchosewood647 11 дней назад

Had a friend that was Comanche. We were talking about going to the tonkawa casino one night. I said think you'll be safe in there? He laughed and said yeah I can go in there.

@chrtra392 2 месяца назад

Interesting. I grew up in that area and I always heard Kiowa pronounced KAI-O-wa, Caddo pronounced KAHD-do, and Wahsita - WASH-eh-ta.

@MrWaterlionmonkey 5 месяцев назад

The liberian civil wars are the most baffling examples of Ritual cannibalism. They occured in the late 90's and early 2000's. Many of the sides would eat their prisoners. This war happened at the hight of Will Smith's popularity.

@StigEtDump 8 месяцев назад

I suspect that all living people have an ancestor somewhere, sometime who did this, most likely many ancestors. Many native Americans seem to have been living a Mesolithic/Neolithic life right up to historical times so we shouldn't be surprised that they did some pretty old school stuff.

@RC15O5 7 месяцев назад

1:57 I too am a descendant of Iron Jacket, Peta Nocona, Cynthia Ann Parker, and Quanah Parker. I am estranged from that side of my family so I presently do not know from which of Quanah's five wives I hail, unfortunately. I need to visit Texas and introduce myself to that side of my family and learn the chronicle before all the older members die. I'll take up the free trial, see if I can try to uncover that piece of history in my blood.

@santiagosanchez8683 8 месяцев назад

Speaking of the Aztecs, I remember hearing that allegedly the original recipe for pozole used human flesh instead of pork. Not sure how credible the source was though

@milieu675 8 месяцев назад

I've heard they taste the same

@Jaws_52k 7 месяцев назад

@@milieu675they do

@mitchelldison9164 8 месяцев назад

Happy thanksgiving

@aidencanoe9320 8 месяцев назад

There is some evidence that Colombus’ claims of seeing Carib people on certain islands farther north in the Caribbean than previously thought. There is no physical evidence of cannibalism though like in the feces of other tribes. Only problem i could find, great video and thank you for the respect.

@datesanddeadguys 8 месяцев назад

That’s true. Archeologists discovered their bones as far north as Florida. Doesn’t point to them directly practicing cannibalism in that area but does lend far more credibility to Columbus’ claims. Especially as the previous position was that they were never there at all. Thank you.

@terrybritton1355 8 месяцев назад

Washita and Washita river are pronounced Wash-it-a. I didn’t recognize what you said but you did get Ft Cobb right.

@mitchellmcaleer2969 4 месяца назад

I'm going to lighten things up a bit with something from The Critical Drinker. Excellent work, love a good story about allegedly noble savages eating folks.

@copperlemon1 8 месяцев назад

It's interesting that the Tonkawa spoke a completely unique language, which may go along with a distinct culture and religion compared to neighboring tribes, which were generally larger or shared cross-tribal linguistic/cultural ties. If they were particularly unique, that may have aggravated the powder keg situation wrought by forced migration, decades of endemic warfare, and the political circumstances of Texas statehood and the civil war. That said, very similar language and culture shared by the Huron and Iroquois (who are also speculated to have engaged in cannibalism) didn't seem to do much for preventing bloodshed. Same can be said about many of the plains peoples.

@JaemanEdwards 8 месяцев назад

I doubt your correct when you say they spoke a completely unique language. In fact I guarantee it.

@copperlemon1 8 месяцев назад

@@JaemanEdwards Tonkawa is assessed to be an isolate. Any related languages are either long extinct or otherwise unattested.

@JaemanEdwards 8 месяцев назад

@@copperlemon1 Are you saying like the difference between Hawaiian and Maori language for example. Or the difference between Spanish and Portuguese ? Cause I guarantee they were able to converse with other tribes in some linguistic form. The clue is in the name Tonkawa. Cause Sitting Bull's name was Te Tonka ia Tonka. And Kawa sounds suspiciously like Kiowa.

@copperlemon1 8 месяцев назад

@@JaemanEdwards More like the difference between Basque and French. "Tonkawa" isn't what they called themselves, it's an exonym like "Comanche" or "German."

@JaemanEdwards 8 месяцев назад

@@copperlemon1 What did they call themselves ?