Tony Stark Finds Out Bucky Was Framed | Captain America Civil War (2016) Movie Clip HD 4K 

Paul Bettany is a phenomenal actor. That push-in shot of Vision through the window speaks volumes without a single word

@@muffinman3052 He's really come a long, long way. His early stuff is... interesting.

What if vision had doubts Rhodes being a skrul 😂

Or he was just doing a diagnostic to ascertain why he lost focus.

elaborate please?

Yeah I miss those days, it’s okie to have a fun marvel movies once a while like guardians, but now every god dmn one is a bad comedy. Civil war and winter soldier had a serious undertone to it and still my favorite in the series besides the avenger movies.

Ikr the other marvel movies have such terrible humor, like guys the jokes are NOT landing lol

Hell no

But Disney put all this in coffin and nailed it too.

here's the thing. This movie was never gonna be equivalent to the comics it was adapting from and there will be many that dont like that but at least it fit the mcu and was a good movie for what it was and that is all that I and many others could ever ask for. Secret Invasion had the same issue, but rather than being good for what it was it was like having bleach poured in your eyes and ears for an entire season

Now that you mention it, yeah... The avengers disbanded after this.

Yeah I tell people this all the time that Zemo was the Avengers greatest villan as he destroyed them as you said. A single person making everyone turn against each other was more deadly than Ultron and Thanos. Had the avengers never broke up, there could've been a chance that they could've put a better team up against Thanos in infinity War and cooperate better. This was the best villan the avengers ever went again. We'll never see a villan have such a great role and writing like this ever again as that's behind this new Marvel.

That’s why they needed Thor. The movie would’ve been done within 30 minutes

THe did recovered tit.

They did recovered it.

Man be honest, aside captain américa and infinity wars there is no serious momets in marvel.......

@@gatopan2558oh yea it was real funny when Captain America was told that he’s been asleep for 70 years. It was hilarious when Tony’s reactor was stripped from his chest and he was dying. It was funny when Thor’s mother Freya was killed. I thought it was funny when Groot gave his life for the guardians. So fucking tired of hearing “there’s no serious moments. No there are, you guys just want dark gloomy Snyder movies.

@@divinegokublack1362 Well if you compare the first thor movie to thor love and thunder its pretty obvious to understand what people are trying to say.

​​@@gatopan2558Man be honest, your take was stupid as fuck

@@divinegokublack1362 uuugh, grow up timmy, 5 moments in 30 movies is not good enough, stop crying or i'll have to make a joke to prevent the happines of your life fade away. And let go snyder man, to critizise marvel doesnt mean you suport snyder lol

The relationship was always rocky with him and his dad, but he didn't have that issue with his mom. "It wasn't him! HYDRA had control of his mind. [...] This isn't gonna change what happened." "I don't care. He killed my mom."

In Iron Man 2 and in Endgame, Tony practically worshipped his father. Heck, in this same movie, he was furious that Rogers was about to leave him behind after his fight with the same Shield his father gave him in WWII.

@@USMC49er you're right about that but for some reason, when he saw his dad getting shot by Bucky, he didn't register as much emotion with that as he did with his mom getting killed.

@@USMC49er He did not. Tony never worshipped his father. In Iron Man 2 he talks about how cold his father was; he respects his father as an inventor and a fellow genius, but not as a father. There's no idol worship of any regard. "Endgame" is different. Again, no worship, but he gets to go back in time and see his dad, but it's different now because a) he's older and is a father himself, and b) after spending decades thinking his father crashed into a tree and killed his mom, he knows the truth of their deaths. He doesn't blame his father. And like he says in Endgame "Now, looking back, I only remember the good things."

​@@loganbigmoIron Man 2, he watches the video where his Dad directly talks to him in a recording and saying that his greatest invention was always him. That's when Tony changed his mind about his Dad. It mattered to him that both his parents died. You're an insane freak

On-screen, yes. In canon, no.

@@loganbigmoYou are right. In Canon, the last reference we get is in Endgame when Tony says vision turned off his communication device some months back.

​@@carpyet9507That was at the start of infinity war i believe not endgame

Yes. Start of IW ​@@ayooshiyer8621

Also, it’s also the time Rhodey was replaced by a Skrull imposter.

a death squad of the Sokovia army meaning he was either taking orders from [ HYDRA : we see him torturing HYDRA goons so not unrealistic] or Sokovia own military and depending on the history. post cold war might include helping oligarchs like a baron in power by killing rioters or pre cold war assassinating democraticly chosen leaders or terrorist cells in the fight for the USSR

Screw him.

1) there's a difference between a covert kill squad and a "death squad" a covert kill squad is an assassination team, likely to kill select targets. A kill squad are like the people responsible for the Rwandan genocide or SS. 2) Just because Zemo was a bad guy doesn't mean his family were evil or deserved to die. That's a distinction that needs to be made. They shouldn't be guilty by association. That being said, Zemo kinda had the right to feel as he felt. It's not a justification but that's the point this movie was trying to make. There are no good guys in this situation. It's a gray area type of deal

@@adrianchatman5734 I know his family didnt deserve to die. I just dislike how some make it seem like he was some innocent guy who got caught up randomly. Yeah this movie was very gray all around.

@@hidan407 eh, I didn't get the innocent guy vibe. When he murdered that scientist to gain his identity, it showed that he was way past the moral event horizon lol. I just felt that he was a bad guy who was wronged the same way he wronged others.

so do i

Granted. But the way tony reacted was 100% a fair reaction.

It is pretty easy to blame Hydra from our point of view, but if someone killed your parents with their bare hands, you're going after the person who physically killed your parents first it doesn't matter what his reason is you're going to be in full of rage to give a shit.

And stark wanted to murder him

@@BlackDiamond2718 yes stark wanted him dead but i don't because revenge is not the way he just needs to forgive him like spider man forgives flint marko

Didn't notice the ai having some attitude. And then Tony interacting with it "I pictured a red head"

​@@blackpanther6389that was a nod to Friday's actress whos a red head IRL

@@lukethegoldenminecart1297 And maybe also referring to vision having a literal red head

"You must be thinking of someone else" also implies Tony could have Pepper on his mind

I agree.. it also bothered me he just had a small role and suddenly got a sick script role to vanish

Don’t worry. We will see more of him. The original Vision was rebuilt. I’m sure they can reconfigure his programming to have him back to normal.

@@MaddawgMar no disney has already threw him under the bus

Yeah... I just realized he was only in 3 movies. What a waste

Well... He was Jarvis, but still... Seeing the same actor do Vision... Awesome. They should have milked it more before dropping him.

I blame Stark. You're gonna have a govt controlled registration of supers literally RIGHT AFTER Captain America discovered that same govt was lousy with Hydra and prevented them from taking over the world as a rogue agent? And you're surprised he's not down with your incredibly bad logic? Then when this same man EVERYBODY KNOWS to be one of the most honorable and upstanding men in the WORLD says he believes Bucky is innocent, you don't at least give him a little bit of leeway in the matter despite him saving your life (oh, and the world) how many times now? Even though HE backed YOU in the Ultron incident despite it CLEARLY being your fault, not his? You don't even so much as sandbag, but you actively try to chase him to the ends of the earth? It's definitely 100% Stark's fault, just like Ultron was.

​@@jadedandbitterif your parents died how would you react.

​@@jadedandbitterim on team cap but your reason is bullshit

@@amaanmodak5971 reason(S). And none of my reasons included "he killed my parents", Stark didn't even find that out until he f--ked up literally every way possible, so it's not an excuse. And if I found out somebody killed my parents WHILE BRAINWASHED Id be pissed at the brainwashers, not their victim.

@@jadedandbitter wtf is wrong with you, wtf do you mean theres no excuses even if his parents died bro 💀💀💀

This. Tony's ego caused a lot of problems.

@@brianhall4182 Yeah, it really did.

His ego and a tendency to over-correct

@@Saiyanprince1114 It makes even the smartest people very stupid.

@@brianhall4182 Zemo is evil and evil.

Some body should grab that Disney mouse by his ears.

dynasties, empires, kingdoms, realms all crumble. at least we got to see the heyday.

Eternals was great. Shang-Chi was amazing. The Marvels was a really fun time that suffered from not being able to tweak dialogue and do reshoots during editting because of the SAG-AFTRA/Writers strike. Loki is next level incredible. She-Hulk was a lovely divergence that stumbled at the end (though I just rewatched it with fresh eyes and it's far better than I remember). What the MCU has right now is a lack of clear direction. There are to many threads, and not enough cohesion. There's still a lot of fun in watching them, it just doesn't have that "headed to the End Game" intensity and interconnectiveness. The weakest parts in my opinion were Thor and Dr Strange. Thor was a giant let down that leaned FAR to much into humour that it lacked any kind of emotional depth, and felt like it undid all the growing his character had done. But the Mighty Thor was awesome to see played out on screen, and Christian Bale was amazing but wasn't given enough to really do with it... stoked to see Hercules though. And Dr Strange had it's moments but your eyes had trouble seeing it because they were to busy rolling back into your head with much Raimi Raimi'd all over it.

@@mrpanicy She-Hulk was TERRIBLE

👎 ​@@mrpanicy

the era of scarjo's peak ass for sure. That outline is my idea of perfection. The opposite of kim k's diaper bottom, stick leg look. the legs matter. anyways

​@@NITILPODDAR-lt1oqIs torture and skinning someone's face for CHILDREN now? At this point, I don't even want to know people's opinions.

It really wasn't everyone just expects all films to be on the level of infinity war and endgame, only reason why people still liked the spider man films and gotg 3 was because they were made by different people who worked on the other marvel films.

​@@NITILPODDAR-lt1oqif you consider torturing animals for children you need to keep away from all children.

@@NITILPODDAR-lt1oqTop 10 Most Retarded Comments

​@@NITILPODDAR-lt1oqthat's literally the only one they got right

or by 'redhead' he meant aunty Nat. Remember: he wanted one.

Do you mind spelling out that new acronym for us?

@bigd7696 Greatest of all time eventually decided?

I think he just really likes goats.

@@BossyGerbasi goat means greatest of all time, goated doesn't add letters, it's just how people use goat. So when they say "goated", they mean "greatest of all time"ed.

@someguy-hc8gi Oh, I know haha thanks, I was just commenting off the person ahead of me jokingly.

He was?

​@@JWheel5 same actor but different character

They're twins.

⁠@@Zanoladabsame actor yes lol, it’s literally one of the directors: Joe Russo

@@LethalZHTown ya ik

Yeah he did

@@reginaldjordan0802 well my Friend Avengers Assemble

Unforgibvlae evil mosnter. it doesn't excuse him.

@@ElJodinro1353-xl5bm Right.

Nat wasn't talking about Rhodey's injuries when she said that to Tony. She was talking about the deal Tony made with the Accords.

why not go to dr strange and do the magic thing hahah

​@@picklecopterstop5that pissed me off. If any decent surgeon could operate, Rhodes should have been covered, especially with government benefits

Can't apply 100% real world logic to a superhero movie.

If Wakanda had been playing ball with everybody at this point, they absolutely could have. Vibranium, just like they used to fix Ross in Black Panther.

​@@ajdominguez1002Normal (real world) medicine (which is largely what was used in the movies) can't fix a severed spinal cord.

the directors wanted to add a logical authentic reason to have Iron Man fight Captain America other than just the Sikovia Accords

Because that’s how anyone similar to Tony would respond to finding out loved ones were killed. It’s human. Irrational and angry but very human. Especially if one’s friend didn’t tell him about their parents’ death. Bucky is innocent but Tony was rightfully pissed.

that's cus they were two different things

@@hazman5528and that is why tony knew immediately how star lord would react upon finding out his love was killed by Thanos

@@KuramaEL facts

yes.

You're just dumb. Can't change your mind.

I wont bother

The biggest issue was that, while Cap knew that The Winter Soldier killed Tony's parents, he also knew that Bucky was innocent of it and was as much a victim as Tony's parents, if not more so. Tony didn't care that Bucky was an innocent, his desire for vengeance was his only thought, even after calming down at the end and realizing that Cap was right, to not blame Bucky but to blame Hydra but Tony's biggest flaw is that he has to be always right. Cap didn't disrespect the shield, he was true to who he was, unyielding in his belief that to do what's right is harder than doing what's easy, something that he was doing well before he was given the Super Solider serum.

@@steeltimberwolf Tony's biggest flaw was not the need to always be right, it was as simple as "He killed my mom" stop trying to make it seem like the wrong reasons. I mean morally it was wrong because Bucky was innocent but you make it seem like the reason Tony did all of this was just to be right.

​@@steeltimberwolf I wouldn't blame Tony completely. He just saw his mother brutally het murdered by the man who's right in front of him. It's Steve's fault, he knew it all along and didn't say a word to the one man, who had all the right to know it.

Worse because Natasha called him out on his BS, too. She betrayed him, fully knowing the consequences for helping Steve...and did it anyway so she could call his ego out to his face.

To hell with Tony's ego and especially his longstanding jealousy of Steve's relationship with Howard.

Just means they didn't watch for the details or actual character development and backgrounds. They watched for the flashy explosions and fight scenes, thus only taking in the broad strokes of the story.

This movie and Winter Soilder are best superhero movies. Both had such intricate dynamic. One time you know everything next time nothing.

I am on team iron man just because cap lied to tony and bucky didn't even think about apologizing at least.

​@@DECENTcrew he wanted to apologize, he just thought tony wouldnt take the apology or wouldnt even want to talk to him after what he did

@@DECENTcrewstark knew that Bucky was experimented on as a POW, endured an entire human lifetime being tortured, controlled, programmed, and used. What, precisely, was the part Bucky needed to say sorry for?

Betrayal hurts deeper than logic.

What compromise was there to be had? Tony only agreed to the accords to assuage his own guilt about that kid that died. Nothing about what they proposed in that accord was for the “good” of the people it was about control. How did “this” happen, it happened because of Tony’s guilt and his need to go solo dolo. Had he taken the moment to talk to the rest of the team about his fears and why he thought Ultron was a good idea there may have been a different outcome and Sokovia wouldn’t have gone for a ride. Tony asked a question and Natasha answered it. His ego is why they are standing there. She didn’t stab Tony in the back, she was doing her job as an avenger protecting the innocent which is what Bucky was. No one accept Natasha and Sam listened to Steve when he said it. She wasn’t wrong Tony is the one who needs to watch his back the people he was getting into bed with would throw him under the bus to save themselves.

​ @bautistalover Tony and Steve were at an impasse regarding the accords. That's unquestioned. Tony's reasoning of course is emotionally driven. I'm not saying I agree with it because I don't. However, that has nothing to do with my point which is that in this situation, Natasha has proceeded to lose all of her social skills and speedruns ruining any chance at a dialogue. And there was a chance at a dialogue, proven by the fact that while Tony still disagrees with Steve, they do agree that the innocent should be saved. As we see right after, the moment Tony is given tangible evidence that Bucky was framed, he does a 180 and goes about trying to help, regardless of Ross's position on the matter and how it would leave him standing given the accords. So yes, Tony makes no shortage of mistakes. No one's arguing that he doesn't. What I'm saying is that in this situation, Natasha makes just about every wrong move possible. So let's move onto the backstabbing thing. She either went to the airport on Tony's side or came there under the pretense of being so. Steve tells them his suspect. Tony believes that Steve's judgment is biased atm due to the party in question. Tony is of course incorrect in hindsight here but this is congruent to his character, someone who believes in tangible evidence more than he believes in people. Natasha tries to convince Steve to work it out and not be forceful about it. However, Tony feels pressed for time and off to blows they go. So again Tony is wrong at the airport but that's not what I was discussing and Natasha clearly states what her supposed position is. She saw no proof in between, only that Steve was willing to punch it out. So I'd say that her doing a 180 absolutely qualifies as a backstab. You can try to justify it and she does have some reasons but it is still a backstab. While I maintain that it was a backstab, whether it actually was or not isn't all that relevant. I said that from TONY's perspective, it is a backstab which he openly states and Natasha being good at reading people should know. When she talks with him, she displays none of her usual skill in reading people, instead managing an unusual role reversal where Tony is extremely self restrained for being himself and she's just being a jerk throughout the entire post airport interaction. She doesn't treat him like her hot headed, emotionally unstable friend who is grieving for his friend who is now paralyzed indirectly because of something she did. She treats him like a person who she has no intention of trying to mend things with nor a person who she might be trying to convince of Steve's position concerning Bucky. If she was going to do a good job of that, she'd be trying to be more tactful in their talk. What happened was the opposite of being tactful, worse than I'd treat a person in that situation that I actively disliked because I generally give grieving people a degree of latitude. This has nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong ideologically, just that she was dumb and rude while Tony was probably the most restrained and mature that he's ever been during the entire series.

@@NevarKanzaki except Tony wasn’t grieving none of what happened at the airport was about Tony’s grief so for me there is no latitude to be given because he wasn’t exactly giving it to anyone else was he? His concern for Rhodey doesn’t exempt him from being told the truth. Up until the airport she tried being tactful with Tony it fell on deaf ears. The time for tact ended when Tony sent Vision after Sam. If Vision hadn’t of gotten distracted it probably would’ve been Sam in that hospital bed. Things got taken too far and she realized that and it nearly cost someone their life. So you may want come off of your high horse because Natasha wasn’t treating Tony with kid gloves just because his best friend was hurt. I believe she wouldn’t have interfered if things didn’t go left the way they did. You say she treated him like she had no intention of mending things, I took it as someone who was affected by the near tragedy was reacting like a normal human being and not the trained assassin she was. She was showing a very real human reaction to a stressful situation.

@@bautistalover Not that giving others latitude has anything to do with whether someone is grieving or not (they sometimes don't as a common emotional response is anger), that isn't the case here. As I stated earlier, Vision, who was arguably even more directly involved is given a lot of latitude here. Tony isn't really accusatory. Rather, he asks what happened. Vision says he got distracted and Tony only replies that he didn't think that was possible. He doesn't get very aggressive with it at all. We are left to guess at the reasons but I believe a reasonable interpretation is that Vision is showing very direct concern for Rhodey. Note that when Tony deals with Natasha, he doesn't lead off with pointing fingers. Instead, he talks about how Rhodey is doing. It is only after she more or less shows no concern in the matter beyond trying to stick it in his face that the temper begins to rise and still at a pretty slow rate for Tony, I might add. So no, your premise is incorrect and as I also stated before, my point here has nothing to do with who's ideologically correct or not, just that Tony is being mature for Tony and Natasha is being unusually terrible with people. Up till the airport, she tried being tactful, yes. Again, I'm not defending Tony's position so this has nothing to do with the topic. Similarly, though you're wrong, Tony sending Vision after Sam isn't really the time for tact to have ended. Up till this point, as far as they're accustomed to, Vision is about as good as they come in terms of keeping a cool head and doing things in a calculated manner. If Vision wasn't trying to put Sam in a hospital bed (he wasn't), there should have been no reason to be worried about that. Missing was an error but I'd say arguably so was estimation of power. During the fight up to this point, they weren't really trying to kill each other except perhaps T'challa being very open about wanting to kill Bucky. Different people handle stressful situations in different ways, many of them poor. However, let's examine the track record. In all the previous stressful situations, including ones that we could reasonably say probably affected her more (like the Hawkeye situation in the first Avengers movie), she has a tendency to buckle down and use her skills to try to solve the situation. As Hawkeye put it, the oddity in her behavior was that she was acting so openly. In Endgame when she fights Hawkeye on Vormir, she also keeps her cool. I'm not saying that she always has to, rather that that's what her track record is. So even when stressed, she usually has or develops a plan of some sort, not the sort that lashes out for no reason. That's more of Tony or Thor's usual stuff. So either what she said to Tony was said purposefully but was executed so poorly that it never had a prayer of having a positive result or it was an out of control emotional response which doesn't line up with her behavior in the other stressful situations we see from her. Lashing out might be a normal human response for you but it isn't congruent with what we're used to seeing from her in similar and situations much more stressful and more personal to her. Whether you want to say that one should or shouldn't be treated with more tact based on how they're feeling following a tragedy is kind of irrelevant because regardless of which it is, you'd handle it the same way, just with different motives. If you want to get something done, being tactful is a good idea. If you're not going to be tactful (as so she was anything but), she's being an idiot (trying to convince him in a way that will never work), being uncontrolled (which I believe is out of character), or being a jerk (having no purpose other than to piss him off and doing so successfully). I don't think any of these 3 fit her character so I think she was poorly written in this scene. Specifically, I think she was poorly written here for the purpose of getting her out of the picture. If she didn't, she'd have likely been there later when they caught up to Steven and Bucky. Look, I'm on no particular character's side or another. I'm just noting the observations I see. Tony is being unusually mature in a situation where normally he loses his marbles. Meanwhile, Natasha is throwing her tact out the window in a situation where she's usually would be planning every word carefully. Why this is is up to interpretation and frankly, I don't care which you prefer because none of the explanations make sense in universe. These two oddities happening at the same time is extremely ironic. That's all.

Yea, in like.... 75 to 85 years. Sure.

It will be much sooner than that. It's been around 40 years since the invention of the Internet and the information super highway. I'd say another 30-40 years to make it brain like.

@@VeryDeathlyShiny Not that long. This kind of technology will surprise us any day. Once AI could fully understand image it will blow up. a better chat GPT could replace every accountant, a better Mid Journey could replace every low tier and even high tier artists. Dont even think it just copy other artist. if it could draw Monalisa from side by look at the front picture or draw a picture of a guy dancing by look at him standing then just prepare for anything. Once AI could understand the world around better it will transfer to robot. I am ready for 20 years robot could replace all low level job (like waiters, worker, managers, accountants, cleaners ...) Only World leaders, bosses and very high level engineer and programmer to continue develop AI but even them could actually be replaced by a fully automated AI system that could upgrade themself and create other AI and robots like Skynet or Ultron 😂😂😂

Who freakin go cares anymore really? For most of us, this universe ended with Endgame. I stuck around for way longer than I should have and What if Ss2 was my last straw. Imagine wiping a whole arc worth of development to turn your character into a villain of the week. God fucking trash writing.

@@ucmanhvuong4301 to be fair they explained it was the demons within strange who corrupted him, once he got control of them, re remade the world, but without himself born into it, which shows his character development never faltered

According to the _Secret Invasion_ director, Rhodey was switched after _Civil War_ even through the Skrull Rebellion began _after_ Endgame there were still Skrulls on Earth since 1997. So it might be that one of those Skrulls decided to impersonate Rhodey. Why? Who knows. Maybe they'll answer it in the future. I personally think it's dumb for them to make it so that he was swapped that early on.

@@loganbigmo my headcanon is that the director doesn’t know what they are talking about and messed everything up lol

@@ucmanhvuong4301 With you 100%. I stopped watching after Endgame. Everything they've done after that is a total joke and pandering to this or that. Marvel lost its balls.

it's CGI on top of makeup

yep.

Yeah.

Who cares? He can perish.

The introduction of the skrulls made everything stupid. Don't know who's who and if an important character dies it can just be revealed that it was a skrull all along.

In so many ways the large arc of the Marvel cinematic universe through Endgame was the story of Tony Stark, told so well. Starting with is father in World War II and going through the moment where he realized that he couldn't just "cut the wire." He would have to die for the universe he knew to survive. It was his story. No one like that exists in the MCU now. Robert Downey did a brilliant job.

Endgame was such a disappointment. I haven't watched any of them since.

Yep agreed..I was expecting Worldbreaker Hulk and Fat Thor was just stupid. He went from being such a cool badass in Infinity War to a laughing stock basically. But the "Avengers Assemble" scene was epic though. It was good, but not as great as Infinity War. I'm the same, I haven't watched a single Marvel product since. Can't get excited for Marvel anymore.@@00Fisher00

What about Shang-Chi? I for one loved that movie. And No Way Home - despite its flaws - was really enjoyable.

Probably next week...

Do you think they know or care that they killed some really great characters with their self-inserts?

@@chethammer I honestly don't think they cared. Tony made the sacrifice play. But at the same time. Strange could have grabbed the time stone and possibly reversed Tony's injuries.

Well I thought Rhodes was switched after endgame, because the skrulls only started working against Nick and others after endgame

We don't know that date is concrete. It certainly could have started smaller and earlier.@@Peeby

Not exactly betrayal. She still think that something is fishy and letting go cap might open some unseen doors. She is basically an intel officer with resources with no connection or liability (like family or company) whatsoever to worry about. Tony on the other hand have Stark industries and connection with goverments. His hand is-politically-quite tied up.

​@@danyleon4870woman plot armor

Twins, maybe?

People look alike. Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Javier Bardem.

It’s like Peter Jackson’s appearances in the LOTR trilogy, it’s an Easter egg nothing more

It’s just an Easter egg. Same actor but different roles. It’s like a Stan Lee cameo

@@Mirage.Voyagestan lee played watcher his cameo in different getups were justified russo’s wasn’t.

He was switched after endgame, because that’s when the skrulls rebelled

@@Peeby Unfortunately that's not what the _Secret Invasion_ director stated. Meaning he was replaced pre-Skrull Rebellion by one of the Skrulls on Earth.

He got switched with a skrull in endgame, that’s when the skills decided to work against humans. Thankfully

@@Peeby pay attention to secret invasion please? Clearly rhodey was in a hospital gown. The exact same one when they pulled him from the fractal pod. You may not like it but Colonel Rhodes was a skrull before endgame

@@richd2457 he was bleeding RED in endgame, only humans bleed red

This is honestly a case of the director not understanding what stories and developments this can shatter. There’s to many plot holes on both sides of if he was or wasn’t, and I blame the director for not covering this well

@@Peeby Nope. _Secret Invasion_ retcons this. It shows that a Skrull in human disguise can still bleed red. As seen when Olivia Colman's character tortures the Skrull. He's bleeding red, but when she cuts off his finger, the blood on the finger turns from red to purple.

No, I'm with you there. The Martha moment has been memed to death, but this is way dumber. Tony not only gets EVIDENCE that Bucky was brainwashed and framed, but minutes before their final fight, he also KNOWS that Zemo is trying to pit them against each other. And yet, because the movie needs the fight, a man who is otherwise one of the smartest men alive becomes an absolute idiot.

Um, what are you going with this? "Im wonna be honest, looking back now for TONY to realize at this point that it might be more info to look for is WAAAY more dumb to stop fighting than the Martha scene" Please fix your grammar here. I can't understand one bit of this when I'm first reading it. Trying to fix it, I think what you're saying is that Tony to stop fighting when he got more information to look for is a dumb decision. Excuse me, but he just learned that Barnes has been set up. Cap and Barnes were on their way to uncover that since that's their objective. Tony wants to apprehend that person who set Barnes up so he went with them. Batman's reason in fighting Superman is dumb and not well-thought anyways. That's dumber for me. The World's Greatest Detective and somehow didn't figure out someone is orchestrating to make them fight? Also, Supes is shown to help human kind, why the heck is he gonna try and kill him?

@@pinknaccount2188 mmm dude, the previous guy got it right away and explained even better. Im just meaning that in terms of coherence, the fact that Tony didnt realize that it might be something behind bucky AFTER the fight, and stoping the civil war against cap is way more forced than Martha scene. And a little correction, batman always knew that Clark was good, the problem is that the potential threat if going to the dark side is so big that even if there were some scam underneath, it still didnt change the fact that he has to die for precaution

Tony is more bitter about Steve withholding secrets from him especially concerning his parents. While Tony knew that Bucky was being framed, Steve won't let the guy go. As for Nat, Tony has been very loose in his actions where he wouldn't do it until he was actually ordered to. Nat is still technically on their side until Ross say otherwise. The Sokovia Accords will still divide them even if they didn't fight here so its not like they're already friends unlike in BvS where all of their differences where setttled just because their moms have the same name.

@@silenthero2795 you should never complain ever again on a movie being shallow or simple if you think batman and superman stop fighting for name. It is clear that a bit of complexity fried your brain

They werent pandering. It was a nod to the all female team. It felt forced and out of place don't get me wrong but like it wasn't pandering.

I did sell him a monster evil villainy.

I DID saw Zemo as a villain. Just a d** monster but a fool of a evil monster nota manWanda even went from innocent to villain to hero then back to villain. Screw tragic loss caused all of it. Marvel makes villains you find yourself is d**fanbase.. After Eternals, even Thanos’ plan made don't make sense crap.

He is a villain, not a broken genius of a man, he also a monster.

SCrew tragical.

I did sae evil zemo as a evilly allen, not just a broken genius of a man, but a evil monster screw tragic or not.

Why would anybody pin you for being second? Plus this comment trend of saying they're first and asking for pins is pathetic