I believe Kel’Thuzad is only helping the Jailer so that he can become the New Primus of Maldraxxus, essentially becoming the God of Necromancy, the ultimate power.
I think a part of Arthas (possible soul split) secretly held back the Jailer's plans on Azeroth. To the point, the Lich King had his heart removed to remind him what he's become. I honestly think Arthas's good soul half became Matthias Lehner who helped us out back in Wrath.
It is confirmed by Uther in the Halls of Reflection dungeon back in wotlk. Also Jaina started to cry about that she knew Arthas was trapped and struggling all this time at the end of Shadowmourne questline
@DevastatorLets not forget his first act as Lich King was overthrowing Ner’zhul, which probably halted the Jailer’s original plans on Azeroth for a time. Then Arthas went dormant for a few years which probably gave humanity a fighting chance to unite, study the undead plague, and eventually destroy the scourge.
Denathrius is part of the panteon of death meaning he is basically titan level, and I don't see how sylvannas or any other character even with buff from the jailer could rival that
@@DHAGSFU Do you realise its still just a script just like in films where we will defeat great evil no matter how strong it will be... :) Sorry for ruining it for you. Look at Nzoth, they said its impossible that we erase änother old god. Tt would destroy Azeroth, they said. Well, guess what. Here we go agaaaain.
@@evzendobias1721 No shit we will never die. But we also dont just go and kill everything. Nzoth was killed by focusing azeroth's power on him. No big bad was killed by us alone.
@@evzendobias1721 Actually it was said that ripping them from Azeroth (which I would assume would encompass just removing them through brute force alone) would be harmful to it. Which is NOT how we dealt with N'Zoth :))))))))))) sorry for ruining it for you
The theory is the death of Argus is what broke the machinery of death. But what role has Yogg-Saron played in all of this? He called himself the god of death, and his blood was used to create Icecrown Citadel. He may be gone, but was he an unwitting pawn of the jailer? Or was he knowingly doing the jailer's bidding?
Blizzard Dev confirmed in one of interview that his story is over and in shadowland, we will only have Chance to interact with him and hear his side but he doesn't have any role 😒
@@paslaruflorin-alexandru9088 also the jailer will never break free if arthas still as a lich king unless blizzard did a big plot twist that will ruin the lore
Need a theory on exactly how the frozen throne and lich king armor came to be. Kil'Jaeden was said to have forged it (frozen throne made of ice from the twisting nether) but now we know its from the SL. But did Kil'Jaeden just accept what the dreadlords gave him? No questions asked?
Blizzard Dev confirmed in one of interview that his story is over and in shadowland, we will only have Chance to interact with him and hear his side but he doesn't have any role 😒
I think not arthas was a Allies to him or a Minion.. remember the Dreadlords wants to Kill arthas after he helps illidan to more power even when arthas was the lich king they wants to kill him And the Dreadlords serves only Zooval (The Jailer)
Either Sylvanas or Anduin. Sylvanas Might Backstab him with Certain materials or Certain Characters that she could get power to control fate or fee fate. Anduin I don't think he could do alone.
I doubt he was allied with the lich king, Ner'zhul was ultimately tortured by Kil'jaeden and the dreadlords until there was almost nothing left then they created him from what was left of his soul. Ner'zhul was never loyal to them and was ploting against the burning legion the whole time, if the Jailor is also one of the people who confined him into his armor then why would he be in cahoots with him?
At which point do you think Arthas will be shown and how will it be?There was an info that current heroes at the end of 1 part of shadowlands will talk about Arthas’s legacy.
Look at the Shadowlands Trailer "this world is the prison (..) and I will free us all". Also Sylvanas wouldnt be Sylvanas without having that everything will work in her favor..
If Sylvannas gets a redemption arc, I am leaving. After all she has done, not to mention how the story has been set, it would extremely forced. Other than that I believe that we will get to the Troll after life “The Other Side” and with help of Bwimsandi, Vol’Jin and other Loa’s will kill him and Bwamnsandi will become the new ruler while Vol’Jin will become the next Loa of Kings. With this we will recruit the troll undead armies from the other side to reclaim Maldraxxus along with the few remaining loyalists and cut off the Jailer from a powerful ally. I also believe that it will be Kel Thuzad who will command the armies of Maldraxxus in the Jailer’s name.
@@albiceleste101 On behalf of all edgy people around I can say that sylvannas is the most edgy character in wow so if she manage to achieve the ultimate edginess I am happy about her !!!
Hm. I would prefer if LK was not an ally but just a weapon out of control? I would like that better. Sort of how the LK was for Legion in the old lore. I would see Ner'zhul acting loyal to the Death first and then betraying them (through the Frostmourne using Arthas to kill his jailor Dreadlord Mal'ganis and then freeing himself by breaking the ice)
I really hope we get proper backstory for Denathrius and dreadlords before we kill him. It would be the biggest injustice in this game so far if we never got to see more after it was hinted that he was basically responsible for every major twist in the lore. Seriously Blizzard, don't let us kill biggest mastermind in universe in single raid fight, and first one of the expansion at that.
Origin of demonology it can't be simply gul dan , because they not only summon demons , but can transform themselves into demon general and know alot of demon history and habits and lifecycle in the spec
Looking back into wow and even warcraft 3, these story lines seem dumber and dumber by the expansion. They keep bringing back characters like Uther, Gorrosh, Arthas and Cenarius because they are so incompetent at writing and developing new characters. Blizzard has gone to shit when it comes to quality. I love the legacy this game had but in current day, it is just a quick money grab with no meaningful content.
Yet it seems to suffer from Hollywood syndrome. Meaning the story become less important while they try to essentially replace it with bigger and meaner effects and over the top battles. We are reaching a point that the player went from a random adventurer to basically a God killer, making these feel even more like a Warcraft Fanfiction that a Warcraft story. I mean come on the biggest threat in Classic and before all of this were the Old Gods, who actually were scary and were made to feel like the ultimate challenge. Yet little by little they have been sidelined by more over the top villains who we take out very easily. I mean come on with all the expansion we have seen not a single 1 has been about the Old Gods, and whenever we face them, they are in side quest that feel like an after thought or worse they feel extremely rushed and uninspired (Looking at you Na’Zoth). Warcraft is truly becoming like a fanfic writer who basically has run out of ideas and the only thing they can come up with is just making everything over the top.
@@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854 you're exactly right. Everytime I go back and play Warcraft 3 for example, you clearly see the gravity of everything happening. Decision making and strategy. Everything had a part to play. Now it's just level up, get the gear, go kill the newest monster.
@@user-ww3ys4ix2z Meh that always been WoW bro lol. Getting "stronger: and beating a new bigger big bad evertime. I agree that they reuse old characters/stories too much but as a mmo wow endgame was mostly always about destroying a threath bigger than the previous one.
Dude we're in the afterlife so we're going to see deceased characters? I don't think the writing of this expansion is bad. It's fine. They have involved the jailer since legion and even earlier. We are getting new lore instead of bullshit time travel like WOD which was just Orcs and warcraft Orcs are pretty meh. He's been pulling strings since......?
Has the time finally come? Will the one return once more and save us in our times of perill? Who has the power to stop The Jailor himself? M...Medivh...is it your time to shine once more?
jailer looks like bald Arthas with pointy ears. also isnt Lich King often reffered to as Jailer of the Damned? Not saying that Jailer is Arthas, its just weird
So basically the land of the dead of Azeroth, was strong enough to corrupt the Titan Sargeras for the purpose of what? Almost destroying Azeroth? Wtf kind of stupid story is Blizzard trying to sell?
if The Jailor is so smart, he could have used Gul'dan to help him escape the Maw. I mean Gul'dan(WoD ver.) managed to open a portal for Archimonde to "invade" Draenor like it was nothing, unlike Kel'Thuzad that had to struggle summoning.
You know a single necromancer can start the scourge again,that's in warcraft 3 it was so important for the legion.Why you call it weak ally... Just bolvar was not greedy,even weaker than Arthas he choud do crazy warr in azeroth. Lich king have nothing to do whit jailor,kill'jaeden send the dreadlords to craft the helm from the jailor essense,Kill'jaeden was warlock creater of lich king and Dk's he was able to roam shadowlands freely,only physical realm was sllow for him. Lich king is Ner'zull,his champion is Arthas,and he serve and hate Kill'jaeden everyone know it.So he might ally whit the jailer but Ner'zull just want to get free from kill jaeden,he don't care about the jailor xD
Also what happene during legion with demo warlock , because they are majorly evil (the warlock) and with pure demon form able to crit anyone out of life , how did the authorities allowed them to stand side by us ? Is there something in the history or lore about that I KNOW demo lock was nerved several times , most of all classes in every patch but in the end he is not forbitten and is still in top5 dps overall classes
She could be, now that we know Frostmourne and the Helm of domination are just shadowlands artifacts. Arthas is just a paladin with death knight legendary gear equipped, and Sylvanas now has access to such gear and more, being undead and everything.
@@parsamannani9944 because the Jailer could access Arthas mind through the Helm of domination, he was the perfect target at the time, he didn't know about Sylvanas until she commited suicide and went to the shadowlands (or something like that, you probably know better than me). And since she went to the shadowlands she's been very close to the Jailer, as opposed to Arthas who was just manipulated from distant voices. She also had more potential in terms of political or military influence, being a leader of the Horde, as opposed to Arthas already being established a villain ruling over Northrend on his own. Essentially the Jailer didn't care if Arthas is more or less powerful than Sylvanas, he just used both of them to bring chaos and gather Anima, so Arthas being picked first doesn't mean he was more powerful than Sylvanas, he was just more useful at the time. The thing is Arthas at his peak (in WotLK) and Sylvanas at her peak (now or later essentially) happened at very different times so it's difficult to tell which one has more potential in the grand scheme of things. Look, I'm not saying Sylvanas owns Arthas in a 1v1 fight. She would have lost when Arthas was at its peak in icecrown citadel, but that same Arthas would lose against the Sylvanas whe know today. I'm just saying, considering the Shadowlands lore that Blizzard is writing, and all the different powers and allies and knowledge that Sylvanas has gathered over the years, she might be more powerful now than Arthas ever was. That would explain how she easily defeated Bolvar with the Helm of domination, she's just on a whole other power level now, beyond the power of Ner'zul, the Legion and the Scourge
