I'm a movie collector and happy with 4k. Very rarely do I buy 4k titles that I already own on Bluray. It either has to be on sale or an older movie shot on 35mm where the improvements are monumental.
In my case, it's the law of diminishing returns that kicks in.... I made the jump to Blu-ray from DVD and though I still collect both, these 68 year old eyes and ears wouldn't be able to discern the difference between Blu-ray and 4K on the home theatre system I have. I didn't bother with adopting 3D TV when it was the hot thing either. For me, it's also about the cost to upgrade since it would entail getting a new player (and OPPOs aren't available anymore), a new receiver/amp system and upgrading the speaker system to 7.1 or higher... As a semi-retired person I can't justify that kind of expense for so little an improvement to my home movie experience. 5.1 audio and 1080p resolution is just fine by me... 4K? No thanks.
Makes sense but if you buy a new TV they are almost all 4k HDR so you would still get the pop from hdr. But also 4k TV's have to upscale blu-rays so you are getting better resolution just by buying a new TV. 4k just has the HDR over blu-rays. I'm only upgraded a few of my all time favorite movies that are on DVD. I'm not gonna upgrade my Blu-rays unless the Blu-ray was subpar. Visually stunning movies can benefit from 4k in my opinion because of the HDR.
At least in terms of the visual aspect, all my friends used to say the same things (can't see a difference etc), and then I got an LG OLED with Dolby Vision. They no longer say those things. Trust me folks, it's your TV.
I can see a difference but I went from a 32 TV wirh 1080i, Games were 720p, to a 55 in 4k HDR TV. But it is just a TLC brand. So I'll upgrade down the road if I feel it's not enough. But right now everything is vastly improved. And HDR is no joke.
There's nothing quite like having a physical copy of your favourite film, on the best format possible. Particularly special edition packaging/collectors boxsets can be works of art themselves.
When someone watches Saving Private Ryan on my set up with Dolby Vision and Atmos there is always a reaction and it’s never “this looks just like the dvd”
Bruh. DVD to Blu-ray has a clear difference. Blu-ray to 4K, everyone including myself questions how much of a difference it really is. People are stubborn.
@@Kongaslam 4k w/ HDR is quite a noticeable difference. No questioning. Although, I suppose it's what you are watching, and what you are watching it on.
My biggest complaint about 4K Discs is that the special features 7/10 are featured on the standard blu-ray disc or many occasions the ultimate or extended versions are on the standard blu-ray and not the 4K disc. .
Most times i really only get a dvd for any extras i really wanna check out and then other times got combo with blu ray to get any more extras. if 4k is pretty much like dvd with less or no extras unless get with blu ray tehn i can skip it really. i can check out movie anytime, but sometimes i like to check out extras some then see movie as if u are making it then see the finished product after and all.
@@cable30 they always come with the Blu-ray. Because of size issues. They don't have the special features on the 4k disks. But they have tones on extras on the blue ray disc.
@@MentalDeviant Yea, even now when i try get combo with dvd the bluray always has twice the xtras so soon gota get a blu ray to watch those any. but sometimes dvd have just as much and so they add a xtra cd for just the xtra sometimes.
That's perfect. Use the space for quality. I also like that 4Ks often have super minimalistic menus and almost never trailers in the beginning. A 4K is about the movie itself and that's how it should be. Leave the clutter and noise to DVDs and Blu Rays!
iNeverHad Mercy I think it's because I come from the generation of where commodore was king and they went bust and just because apple is king today it doesn't mean they will be forever 😉
The worst thing is that people aren't even aware how much better discs are. I watched Chernobyl on HBO nordi and the picture was complete trash. Could see the compression
You nailed it. Not seeing a difference, to me, comes down to your equipment. These cheap 4K TVs, even when they support HDR, may not produce an impactful HDR picture. I have a 42" TCL 4 series. It's a good TV. Actually, it's a good HDTV, but it is not a good 4K TV. It supports HDR signals, but it can't produce deep blacks and bright highlights, and I don't know what the color volume is, but I am sure it is not very expansive. And there are a lot of these types of TVs out there. On my LG OLED, you see a difference, no doubt. As for cost, discs are expensive. I watch videos like yours to see if the upgrade of movies I already own are worth it. A lot of catalogue titles are actually some of the best upgrades. It is like seeing the movies for the first time. The depth, the color, the image is just overall more impactful and I find that along with the audio upgrades make the viewing more immersive. Like you, this is my hobby. I don't own a boat, a bike, go on lavish vacations, etc. so this is my way to relax and have a good time in my spare time. I just look for deals. I wait for sales. I buy second-hand. It works for me.
It doesn't only come down to equipment though, as not all 4k discs have HDR or a better master, which means that the resolution may be the only difference (leaving sound out of it as we'e talking visuals). Most people sit too far from their TV's to physically be able to tell the difference between 2160p and 1080p, so in those cases even a great system can fail to produce value in the 4k option. This goes to another point that the resolution is becoming too much of a feature, especially with the coming 8k. The resolution is probably the least of the advantages of the 4k format, and it's HDR that's the big advantage. The industry should focus more on things like that and less on resolution which will be irrelevant for consumers until the average TV size has increased a ton. As for buying movies, I wish that there was a digital option that were of 4k BD quality. Sure, the file sizes are huge (although could be gotten down a bit with better compression technology as the BD standard isn't great there) but I enjoy having movies on my home media server and not to have to store the discs where they are visible. As it is I have to rip them myself.
For me , ive collected blu rays for years, but everytime it became more expensive, nowadays my entire 1080p ans 4k hdr collection rests on 3 4tb hard drives , its more affordable to buy external discs
I have a friend who bought a cheap 4K. He was thinking I overpaid for my TVs. Then, he wasn't impressed with the concept of HDR and WCG. I told him to wait until he has actually seen it to make a judgement and had to explain to him that his TV isn't capable of providing anything close to HDR and WCG.
I have friends who refuse to buy Physical 4k discs but will buy the digital version for cost and convenience reasons. I explain to them all the time how I only buy brand new 4k Discs that are on sale for anywhere from $10 - $14. I get the 4K disc, the Blu-Ray, and the UHD digital copy all at once. IMO as long as you're a smart shopper and don't need to buy a title as soon as it comes out, the cost between digital and physical isn't that huge of a difference.
I’d say it depends for me. If the movie had a 3D release in theaters, I’ll get the 3D Blu-ray, like almost all the Marvel movies. If it didn’t, I’ll get it in 4K now, like Joker or Logan. I won’t replace my DVD’s tho. The only movies I have in both DVD and Blu-ray are the Star Wars movies. I’ll never go digital only. I like actually owning the movie.
I’ve never pay more than $15 for 4K. That’s brand-new first run movies ( excluding Marvel)even less on Black Friday. That includes the Blu-Ray and a digital copy granted it’s usually a bundle from Amazon or Best Buy But at that price it’s a no-brainer ………..4K all the way
If you have a good set up, you CANNOT beat a 4K movie. Some of them admittedly aren't really an upgrade over their blu ray counter parts, but the majority of films are. I watched Interstellar in 4K last week and I was blown away, especially during the IMAX scenes, it was utterly gorgeous and the sound was incredible! A 4K Netflix film is nowhere near the quality of the same film on a disc. Netflix is great and very handy to have, but for a true movie experience, you will never beat physical media.
I think the bandwidth and bit rate transfer is a factor between streaming and discs. Of course bandwidth doesn't make sense for discs but you know what I mean.
@@StaticBlaster It's a definite factor, streaming services have to condense files in order to send them over the net. That results in a 4K show/film being transferred over the internet at about 15mbps whereas on disc it can transfer up to something like 130mbps so you're getting far more data which means a less compressed picture, the sound is also a lot better. Netflix is great, but you're never going to get a proper experience from it unfortunately.
I won't buy a new release unless its 4K. Some of my collection will probably stay Blu-ray, but when a favorite is truly remastered ( The Wizard of Oz, It's a Wonderful Life, 2001, etc) I will selectively upgrade. You are so right about how well done HDR really makes the biggest difference. I choose a TCL 6 series 75" as the least expensive yet competent Dolby Vision display and am very pleased.
Mine is not a complaint about 4K, but the industry in general. When they started cancelling production of 3D sets for 4K, it marginalized many of us into a category of those who now have to pay top dollar to retain our equipment. Suddenly we have to sacrifice immersion for clarity of picture. Horsecrap. We paid $400 to $600 for our 3D sets. Now we have to look under rocks for videocards, drivers, active glasses, etc to convert to video projection if our tvs ever go down (my current Vizio is 10 years old this year). What I like about 4K (and higher)? Well, it means that the disks will be coupled with higher quality standard blu rays upon release. It's not a total loss. But the industry makes me sick. When we hear of killing physical media in favor of streaming, for example. Consumers are the pawns for industry greed, and we are powerless to do anything about it.
The causal viewer needs a really big TV to appreciate 4k or they need to sit in front of it like they would a computer monitor. At 10’ distance you will need an 80” or larger TV to see the difference if bitrates are sufficient in 4k and 1080p versions. If you have a 55” TV you’re going to want to sit
I pushed back for years back when Blu-Ray came out, figured meh no biggy, then I got a Blu-Ray and did the flip source DVD->Blu-Ray->DVD...WOAH! So 4K was a no brainer for me.
@@miketheman4341 I think you are missing the point. Considering we live in the streaming age what he is saying A LOT of movies will never be published again on physical media beyond their Bluray editions. Bottom line is BluRay is the last mass physical media that can be used to collect movies that are more obscure and less popular. SIMPLE FACT
Vassil Pepelyankov LOL! As if someone is going to sacrifice 4K for some ancient B made for TV movie? Name one great film that is not available on the existing 4K platform or not compatible with it? Start anytime!
That's what ppl said about 4k at first though. And the majority of the difference isn't the resolution but the hdr from my experience. Am I wrong? I'm relatively new to the 4k format as I made the jump this year
@@7PlayingWithFire7 it's kind of the same, for many blu-ray/hd is 'Good enough' and not worth paying to upgrade, especially on small tvs. This is more so for 8k, if 4k is more than good enough, then the differences between on 4 and 8k are minimal unless you have an enormous tv where the difference becomes apparent. The size of tv you need to appreciate the 8k difference is WAY beyond the size and price of tvs that would fit in the average persons living room, plus at the moment there is next to no 4k broadcast content, 8k content is limited to home recordings from a few phones that can record 8k so at the moment not worth the investment.
@@7PlayingWithFire7 But there are 4k movies that don't look great or sound great. In the case of FIRST BLOOD 3 movies I seen them better looking on laserdisc and VHS. By that I mean color and picture look like it did at the movies. 4k movies some look great for a few minutes and then the movie quality looks like crap.
There is also the advantage that in many 4k films there is an obvious wider image in the frame with 4k.. check out ET for example. The scene where the mother is reading to her daughter at bedtime. Also the colours are more saturated on 4k and blacks have more contrast. And of course that is obvious even without a 4k television. Unfortunately I don't have a 4k OLED yet.
First of all, not all people who buy physical media 'collect' as you say. You collect. I don't. Collecting is an effort get something just to have it. I buy physical media because I like to have acess to movies in the best format and maintain control to acess to that media instead of depending on its availability in the streaming market. It's about taking control over my fate. I don't need to worry about someone's acess to licensed media when I have a license myself. That being said, I don't disagree with your premise. I buy 4K because this is what I want and I have the facilities to play it back under the best audio and video conditions. Nobody needs to 'buy again' to move to 4K. I generally avoid double dipping unless I can find a 3D Blu-ray of a movie that I only had in 2D. Otherwise, what's on DVD remains so. What is on Blu-ray remains so. What is on 3D Blu-ray remains so. I still buy DVD, Blu-ray, and 3D Blu-ray and 4K. I'm free of the burden of 'collecting'. I rip my movies to mkv and store them to a server.
You’re making an assumption I collect just to collect. I don’t. I pick up movies I’ve enjoyed. I keep those. Not everything I review here stays in my collection. I sell off those I don’t particularly care for. In order to run a better channel that reviews discs, I have to pick up one’s I don’t really want permanently.
@@MovieGuy365 No, I make the assumption that you collect as you literally say yourself. Whatever the motivation other than purely buying media to have at your disposal on demand for me is collecting and that isn't a thing I'm into. It's not a hobby nor a pastime that I find of interest to me in the slightest. It's all about availability of media on demand for me. I visit your channel occasionally for information and not to further my effort to 'collect'. I already have more stuff than I need. I'm saying, don't assume everyone who buys physical media is a collector as yourself. Some buy purely for utility and nothing more. We don't care about steelbooks and slip covers. I will buy a steelbook if that is the only way to get what I want and the slip covers go into the trash.
My reason for not going 4K I am sick of upgrading I have already spent enough on equipment it is going to cost me close to $10,000 to up by the time I upgrade my AV Receiver Projector and player that is to get the equivalent of the equipment I have
Not to disappoint you but 4K will never be widely adopted for mass releases of movies. If you are into less popular ones they will never see the light of 4K. I would stick to Bluray.
4k discs are beautiful! I have a sony ubp x800 ultra hd player, samsung QLED qnf7 2018 with the sony htzf9 dolby atmos soundbar with rear speakers. Streaming in 4k is not the same as using real discs.
You made excellent points and I think the best point you made... "IT HAS TO BE WORTH IT TO YOU." I grew up buying VHS..sold off what I could to replace them with Laserdiscs....then shortly after Blurays/HD-DVDs. Each time selling one former format at a fraction to be replaced by the latest format at a much higher cost. When 4K was announced, I looked at my vast bluray collection and said....NOPE. not again. I immediately started thinking I should have skipped Bluray and waiting for 4K...or maybe skip 4K and wait for 8K? So for me it is no longer worth it for me to continue. I should have stopped back in the DVD days, but the addiction of owning legit copies of movies I loved was very real for me. Seeing the difference in quality matter to me the most at that time in my life as well. Don't get me wrong, I still prefer the highest quality media over streaming any day...it is just my priorities have changed in life. Going out, exploring the world, and seeing the places I've only seen in movies is now more important to me than having the latest and greatest. Looking back, I think I would much prefer all the original money I spent over the collection I amassed. Yes it feels great to own a movie I love, but realistically how many times have I re-watched any of my movies, when I keep getting new ones? If I knew now back then, I think I would still invest in the hardware that plays the latest media, but NEVER own the media for too long. if I were in the game now, I'd buy a 4K disc, watch the movie and its content, then sell it immediately to recoup funds for my next purchase. No longer having a vast collection taking up so much space in my home, and no longer feeling regret with every upgrade in technology. Of course the satisfaction and enjoyment of owning and watching a film you love in the highest possible quality will always be worth it to others. It was for me for a very long time. I'm not mad at that or anyone who finds enjoyment in that. I genuinely hope everyone that already has 4K and those that are going into 4K gets to enjoys all of their 4K experiences. I'm just sharing my perspective from a person who was a former movie collector and formerly heavily invested into UPGRADING my movie watching experience for the best possible quality.
You can make it a collector thing and not have to feel bad for it. I’ve upgraded a lot of my action movies to 4K, but no feel no need to buy comedies in 4K.
@@jackdennis3511 That's a very good way to look at it. When I was a "Collector" one of the issues for me was I also had that "Completist bug" where I needed to own all of the movies from a franchise even though I only liked one or two of the movies from said franchise. Terminator and Alien franchises are prime examples. So instead of owning only 4 movies, I'd have 12. Nowadays, If I were ever to go 4K ( I still want to at heart)...I'd rent 80% of the time, buy and immediate resell, or only own movies truly worthy of owning like visual masterpieces like Saving Private Ryan, Aliens, and most Christopher Nolan movies.
Tired of Fools. With Disney Plus I’m no longer purchasing anything Disney on physical media. Same goes for WB when HBO Max comes out although still no word whether they’re releasing the movies available in 4K HDR.
I get you but never got in too much earlier. I started with just a few vhs.I manly have bought DVDs but for a 1 or 2 dollars a price. I only upgraded to blu-rays for my favorite movies or extended cuts. Or cheap new movies. Recently I got more into bluray for shout factory releases because they are so we'll done with great transfers. I finally have got into 4k Because I have a 4k TV and and Xbox one X so I can veiw them. But because I never fully got into bluray. There's DVD or movies I don't own that I want to get on 4k but only movies that I think would visually benefit from a great picture and the bright lights of HDR. Actually HDR was the selling point. Lights, fires, and bright colors just pop off the screen. It's sureal. But a lot of movies have great Blu-ray transfers and a lot of movies are not visual enough or great enough to upgrade. There's just a few movies right now that are worth upgrading to me. Right now I see it as a premium formate for my most favorite films. But I need to live life more too 😂
Another reason people aren't buying 4K's is because they've already 'double dipped' their favourite movies on DVD to Blu Ray, is it really worth going through the process AGAIN, now from Blu Ray to 4K ??
Heck, I have a 120 inch projection screen and a Canon LCD projector and even when watching a VHS of Disney's 'Snow White' (even without better Blu-ray or 4K resolution), the movie looked amazing. The colours were vivid, the sound was great, etc, so even though I'm buying Blu-ray movies (and still some DVD's here and there), I can't be bothered shelling out extra bucks for 4K versions. Eventually, one gets tired of the format wars and 8K will be next and maybe 12K beyond that, so at some point one has to be happy with what one has already. It's a personal choice, of course. :)
I think it's worth it to buy movies that were filmed on film that are your favorites for the HDR but you would need to use a 4k TV and 4k player Xbox one x. Some visual movies can benefit. Obviously a Disney movie would be pointless. I'm only buying movies I don't own on bluray. And there are very few that are appearly to me on 4k. 8k is only noticeable on big screens. Look into it. Might come to theaters. but I doubt it will come to home releases.
Some great points. Some of which I kinda fall in line with. Example: mostly only 4K for new titles. Bluray is my minimum. DVD if not available on any other format. Only my top tier movies will get the 4K upgrade from Blu and i still keep all previous versions. I have Jurassic Park on all formats since VHS.
Originally I was only going to get Kubrick movies in 4k, but the image and sound was so much better that now I am upgrading all my favorite blu-rays to 4k.
#MovieGuy365, I love supporting the (overall) best format on physical media-4K. While 4K Blu-rays are generally a little pricey, I find that the value is worth it (generally the best picture and audio quality, plus usually includes standard Blu-ray and digital copy). I have many standard Blu-rays and even more standard DVDs. If a title I already own on one of those formats is released on 4K Blu-ray, I put it through this litmus test to determine whether to get the 4K Blu-ray or not: 1) is it one of my favorite movies, 2) is it the kind of movie that lends itself to 4K (if it’s a relatively low-key movie like a drama, it might not be a priority compared to action/sci-fi/horror), 3) does it have rewatchability for me (which ties in with #1).
I am exactly the same way.. almost word for word.. I have DVDs, blu Ray's and very few 4ks because of that method exactly.. I will only upgrade if it's a movie i love and can rewatch a few times a year otherwise I just stick with the blu ray or dvd.. i think people forget that not everything is even released in 4k yet anyway
I used to collect DVD's then somewhat moved onto Blu-ray's. However, I've got no intention of ever buying into the 4k format. I don't understand why the cost is so much higher. Here in the UK, a DVD generally costs £10, Blu-ray's cost £15 and 4K's cost £20+. However, I'm assuming that all 3 formats are churned out by factories for peanuts but it's as if you have to pay more for blu-ray and 4k because the picture quality is better. It's all just data at the end of the day, just a bunch of 0's and 1's, and should be as cheap as chips. Since getting married and having a kid back in 2008, I'm finding myself increasingly more skint as the years go on. I very rarely ever buy discs anymore and generally just stream movies I want to see rather than purchasing them out right. It's also a sickner that the re-sale price of most disc's (DVD's especially) is pretty much worthless (I'm not talking rare stuff here). I've probably spent thousands over the years but I wouldn't be surprised if each disc was only worth around £1, if I ever came to sell them. I just can't see a point in investing in them anymore.
segagagagagagaga Hi there just to say you would get a shock if you decided to sell your DVDs, some are Expensive due to low availability but most were produced in large numbers so trying to sell them on line you may be luck if you could get a pound after packing and postage, and worst selling to games shops or places that may buy dvd you’d be lucky if they gave you 1pence for each disc. Keep your collection and enjoy.
I have a main reason why I still buy some DVDs (even if my collection also has BluRays and a few 4Ks). Where in live in Europe the DVDs always have the bigger cases with the bigger pictures on the cover. If I really like some cover of a film that a DVD has it.. I will buy that also cuz the picture is bigger than the one with the blurays. (and usuaIIy the DVDs are fairIy cheap too). Sometimes I even take out the bluray from the bluray case and put it into the DVD case (if I love that movie and I want to display it with a bigger picture / frontal view).
Here is the thing with resolution, there is a big difference just between 1080p and 4k. But it comes down to not only the quality of the TV or projector, but the size of the picture. The bigger the size the bigger the difference. I used to have just an 65´LCD/LED 4K TV, that didnt really have any HDR worth mentioning. Yeah, I didnt see that much of a difference unless I switched immediately between that and the blu-ray. However, now I have an Epson TW9400 on a projector screen of 104´. There is a big difference just in the resolution now, dont have to switch between 4k and regular blu-ray to see it. And it doesnt need to be native 4k movies finished in 4k. Even a CGI heavy movie like Ready Player One, that was finished in 2k, looks allot better in 4k. So the resolutions does make a difference, but it comes down to how big your screen is. And like you said, it depends on your equipment, not all TV´s or projectors are equal and the same thing goes for the discs. There are literally hundreds of blu-rays that look horrible, where they did an abysmal job with the transfer. And Im not even going to talk about DVD. I cant watch those anymore. Bought a series a few years ago because it just doesnt exist in any other format and I felt a bit nostalgic about it. Horrible picture, shut it off after 5 minutes... But that one Im going to blame on the studio that did the transfer because unless my nostalgic memory for it is deceiving me, it didnt look that bad when it was on TV. Still, its baffling that DVD´s are still selling that well and better then blu-ray!
Me too David Taylor. I just bought a house that had a big enough basement so I finally got into home theater. I don't buy a ton of movies, but I like the height effect. This unfortunately isn't available with many Blu-ray titles. So I had the opportunity to complete my space to 4k and 5.1.4 sound. Loving it!
I sold all of my DVDs in 2006 knowing that the hi def format wars were starting up and that I would eventually want to upgrade to HD. Of course since then so many more options have occurred that make access to movies easier so I felt less of a need to collect everything. But what has happened is I have learned to be patient and you can usually pick up most blu rays now for a few dollars if you wait a few months. The same thing will happen with 4K discs, I say if you are worried about buying everything all over again, just be patient and pick them up when you find them cheap at garage sales thrift stores etc and upgrade cheaply and slowly. That little hunt for cheap discs is part of the thrill now. I dont have the 6000 discs I did when I had DVDs any more but I have probably 1000+ blu rays that I have purchased of most of my favorite movies for under $5 each.
I always look for the 4k with included bluray first even though I don't have a 4k player. But whenever I can find a good dedicated 4k player for a good price I will definitely get one because I want to see what some of my 4k movies look like.
I don't think I own a single 4k disc without the regular Bluray included and they're the ones I watch (for now!). I also am collecting 4k-discs for the future; our Bluray-player kinda died on us, so for X-mas, I got a new 4k-player; all I need now is a 4k HDR TV!!
When it comes to whether or not I'm willing to buy all the movies I already own on 1080p Blu-Ray all over again, it really depends on just how much I love the movie in question. If it's one of my favorite movies of all time, especially if it's one that I think would *massively* benefit from the enhancements of the 4K Blu-Ray format even if its not digitally mastered in 4K resolution (I'm honestly way more interested in Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision and HDR than 4K resolution alone), then I'll gladly buy it all over again even if I already own it on regular Blu-Ray. If it's one I love enough that I already own a physical copy (whether it be 1080p Blu-Ray or DVD), but not enough to think that buying it again on 4K Blu-Ray is worth it (especially if its visuals and sound aren't really that impressive even on 1080p Blu-Ray to the point that not even Atmos, DV or HDR would improve it all that much), I'll just stick with what I've already got.
#Movieguy365 I think 4K has a long way to go, they can be hit or miss! Sometimes the heavy DNR on old movies can ruin the picture! I still collect 4k if I hear good things about a certain title!
@UCxXbF_B06ctSw5N_LJJAyiA Yeah, to me the jump in quality between HD and 4K is nowhere near as great as the jump between SD and HD. It's there, but at some point I had to ask myself, "Is the difference really worth it?" For some people it is, but for me it's just not.
@@purplesabbath9057 It's worth it for 15 to 20 dollars if I don't own the movie or the Blu-ray release was bad. Plus HDR adds a wow factor with lightings. I'm into it for some of my favorite movies I only have on DVD or not at all. Movies that could benefit from a better picture. I actually never got into bluray till recently. I always check Blu-Ray com to see if it's a good transfer.
In my experience it's all about if you have OLED or access to a high end TV. If you don't, don't bother. All these 55'-60' Samsung "smart TVs" that are on sale for like $400-700 during Black Friday, are not going to cut it.
I only double dip if It’s a movie I really like. But I wait for the price to drop, and buy new movies in 4k. I buy blu rays too, but only old movies, as there very cheap over here in Europe. I have a good setup, and enjoy 4k a lot, so, ill be still collecting them in both formats. Great video 👍🏻
Also, formats are evolving way too fast, there is a new format every 10 years, some people are bearly building a collection, OR upgrading and suddenly a new format be like HOWDY!!
Way less compression on a 2k DI UHD disc than Blu-ray, but no one ever talks about that. On the Blu-ray, if you go up close to the screen, details like film grain are made up of little digital squiggles and blocks, but on the 4K disc, those grains are better resolved and a granular looking by comparison. Seems to me that if the smallest 'grain' of the picture takes up like 9pixels on a 4K TV, and it is represented as a square block bc of compression, it's the compression improvement more than the number of pixels which makes certain 2K Di 4K movies look so good. Yes, there's HDR and DV as well, but that doesn't explain why some of the crispest looking movies are 2K DI.
It’s because most films nowadays are filmed on digital, whereas they used to be on film, which supports up to 12k resolution, so it’s a native 4K. A lot of movies nowadays, such as the marvel movies, are upscaled from 2k di’s (digital intermediates) because the special effects are rendered at 2k. Hopefully that makes sense.
I can't believe in 2020 DVD is still bigger than Blu-ray. How is it possible people are still buying DVDs, instead of Blu-rays? In fact, the time has already come to move forward from Blu-ray to 4k, yet most people buying physical media are still buying DVDs. Why? What the Hell are these people thinking? Well, think about those people whatever you want, but at least they're still buying physical media and I'd rather see them spending their money on DVDs than seeing them spend their money on streaming.
I just recently got a 4k player and I'm loving it! I really need to stop buying duplicate movies, I'm trying to get movies I don't already have on blu-ray but it takes more discipline then I think I have.
It will and it won't: it will die and it won't go mainstream. Covid is speeding this up; the writing's on the wall. Average Joe is streaming, not collecting boxes..
@@BirdArvid yes over a year later since this video and 4K blu ray is still going strong. But hey COVID is boosting the speed of the death of the format 😂 You are making an assumption here. I have a few 4K blu rays ana I've seen the same movies on streaming services. Not only did the blu ray look far better but the sound was a lot better too. Streaming services will never be near as good as 4K blu ray with sound and Video.
My main reason for buying UHD Blu-ray's is the audio tracks, they typically save the Atmos encoding for the higher end format. And for the fact I invested in the gear to enjoy it.
All of these formats started at $30 is hand dropped as the formats grew. 4k seems more expensive now because people try to compare to short term cost of streaming.
The 4K segment won me over. Upscaled 4k is there for a few reasons, HDR and Dolby encoding make up for pixel count and then some. and the effects are rendered in 2k as you said, and that's faster to render as well as cost. Anything 100% film can be scanned natively at 4k, limited by effects quality.
I buy 4K movies when the content benefits the higher resolution (Space & Sci-Fi for example). Blu-Ray versions I buy of recent films & deluxe editions of classic films (Criterion for example). I continue to buy DVD's of movies that are not dependent on a higher resolution (Dramas, comedies, biographies, etc.) The DVD format is also good for classic TV shows. The #1 thing to think about is ownership. If you buy the discs, you can hold it & you can play it without requiring an internet or cellular connection. My opinion.
I agree with some on here that 4K not being in 3D is a reason not to buy. Being a family man I feel I can’t justify the extra cost & Blu-Rays can be picked up at some bargain prices nowadays and the picture quality is perfectly fine for me, especially when I spent so many years watching DVD’s, Blu-Ray seems like a big leap. One day in the future I’m sure I’ll make the upgrade, but not just yet.
I don't have a 4K TV yet, but I decided to buy a 4K blu-ray player anyway. Why? Because it can play 4K discs on a regular HD TV, plus it still plays all regular blu-rays and DVDs. And whenever I am ready to make the upgrade to a 4K TV, I will already have some 4K discs as well as the player waiting to go. And because there are not that many titles I want to buy on 4K UHD disc, I don't think it will cost me that much in the long run. I will only upgrade the movies that I really love or which really deserve it for the visuals - 2001: A Space Odyssey being one good example. For regular comedies or serious dramas, standard blu-ray should be good enough. Oh and lastly, pretty much every 4K title you buy comes with a standard blu-ray disc included so you might as well get two for the price of one (even if that price is a bit more expensive than just buying the blu-ray alone).
Besides HDR & resolution, the biggest difference for me is the audio quality on most 4K discs. Lossless formats & Dolby Atmos are huge selling points people tend to forget about. As with PQ, you need a decent set up to get the most out of the audio. A HTIB just won't cut it unfortunately.
I'm kinda half 4K and half Blu ray. I do it like this. I pick up Animated films on Blu Ray and Live Action films in 4K. Also if the film has a Blu ray release but no 4K I have no Choice but Blu ray
to me, it's a combination of things. My collection is about 3500 movies big. I did buy a lot of blu-ray movies I already had in DVD format (and VHS before that), because although I did spend the same amount again, it still was "only" about the same amount for DVD and blu-ray. And to me, the step-up in quality between DVD and blu-ray warranted this double purchase. But now, the price difference of 4K and blu-ray, combined with the (somewhat lesser) step-up in quality doesn't make me buy the same discs in 4K. There are exceptions of course. Everybody has their favorite movies, and these to me are the movies I will buy over and over again in every new format, if it only improves my viewing experience of that movie. But my limited experience with 4K leads me to believe it's the oldest movies (that were shot with real film instead of digitally) that benefit the most from the 4K upgrade. And since new movies all get shot digitally, less and less movies warrant (to me at least) the extra cost of 4K over blu-ray
Hayden Hardy I am also doing the same. 3D 4K would blow my mind! I love 3D and I hope VR headsets are going to bring 3D movies back in the mainstream”-ish”!
I have 3d movies and watch them on my Sony Z9D, the last generation of TV’s that does 4k and 3D. The Sony UBP x700 4k player upscales blue ray movies to 4k and when I watch 3D movies it looks almost 4k to me, it looks phenomenal. Infinity war looks badass in 3D, it looks like 4k.
Hey Dude ✋, Really GOOD video! I am a teacher, and you actually Taught ME something today - I was SHOCKED to learn how MANY people are still into DVD (in 2020!). All I can say is WOW! 😳🤯 I remember that I was “Hot” on DVD’s not to long ago (a year or so), and STILL was subscribed to the Netflix DVD service (I am now on 3D Rental Service [as they rent Blu-Ray’s, UHD and 3D]). I was with DVD till I saw the MAJOR difference (in quality) about a year ago, from a RU-vidr who SHOWED the difference, between DVD and Blu-Ray (and it was NO DOUBT a major difference). I mean 720 versus 1080p (who wouldn’t be able to see this!?!) So I’ve been loading up on Blu-Rays since then. The only problem I have with Blu-Rays is that they (the DRM/AACS) is a PAIN in the Ass!! (Where some disk don’t play, are SLOW as hell to load, or give you stupid messages to “Update” your Firmware! 😡🤬) And NO, I cannot afford the almighty OPPO 🥵 Plus, I STILL do not have a 4K TV (soon 😉) - just waiting for MicroLED
Good video 👍 I show my family and friends the difference between DVD Blu-ray and streaming compared to Blu-ray , and all I get is wow once they see the mind blowing picture quality compared to streaming , and your right about those first generation 4k TV's that didn't have HDR and Dolby vision , it was no difference , thats thing with 8k TV's they should be 12 bit panels vs the 10 bit panels we get now it needs to a ground breaking tech to go with those 8k TV's .
And, if you have a large screen, some films like, Predator, and others, don't look that impressive, The black lines have been stretched, so the film is wider, and less condensed. Losing sharpness.
I’ve been thinking about this since Black Friday 2019! For some reason, that weekend kicked off a movie collecting “bug” in me and I’ve been wrestling with what physical discs would I invest in. Blu ray or 4K. And since a blu ray usually comes with a 4K disk, I see that as the way to go. But I also don’t want to buy a disk unless REALLY want a copy but doesn’t have a digital code. I appreciate it when they add that digital code on and the higher price is easier for me to swallow. Good video, it will be interesting to see where the future of video formats go for creators and collectors!
Hey Adam! Great topic for a video. Equipment is important. Upgraded my 4k TV, made a big difference in picture quality. Especially improved compression artifacts.
Great video, very informative. Could you please elaborate on 4K players? I was surprised to hear an Xbox x 4K player does not render as well as a higher-end 4k model. Thx
I think your video is spot on. I collect and have made the move to 4k but I'm not going to re-buy everything. I only buy 4k for new releases but if I find a good price and good reviews for older titles I will buy those. My brother still buys DVD, he's in it for the story the movie tells and doesn't really care about the picture quality. I was hooked on the better picture quality when blu ray came out because I saw a drastic difference from DVD. I admit that some 4ks don't look that much better than blu ray but a lot really do. That is why I depend on reviewers like yourself to help decide what I will purchase.
Forever a collector i dont care hiw many formats i have if i have a movie on bluray and it comes out on 4k will acquire ot too. I own all formats across the board (dvd blurays 3d blurays and now 4k movies. I have in my collection 18.249 movies. Been collecting for over 38 years.
I buy 4K movies for the sound because I still have a Sony 3D tv that does not have 4K and I don’t really want to upgrade the tv but I did upgrade the receiver. Plus most of the new steelbook releases were only coming in 4K.
It Goes Back To The Old Saying, You Get What You Pay For... I'm A Movie Guru Fanatic, I Have The 5 ☆☆☆☆☆ Set Up All The Way Around... 75" 8K TV, 75" 3D 4K TV, 8K DENON AVR, PANASONIC, & SAMSUNG 4K PLAYER, SAMSUNG 3D PLAYER, CERTIFIED HDMI 2.1 AUDIO QUEST, 11.2 DOLBY ATMOS, SURROUND SOUND, BLU-RAY, 4K & 3D MOVIES... EVERY MOVIE PLAYS DIFFERENT ON DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, I KNOW I DONE SPENT OVER 50,000 AND HAVE 2, DIFFERENT SET UPS, TO GIVE ME THE BEST MOVIE EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE...
Yeah, I find myself in a lot of these camps. Another thing that wasn’t covered is how the 4K disc doesn’t hold extra features, so you are still dependent on the Blu-ray for that. So, might as well just go after the Blu-ray and call it a day. I’m not excited about buying Spider-Man or Indiana Jones for the fifth or sixth time, and the honest truth is, there are fewer and fewer new titles coming out that I care about. Most of what I’m interested in going after is a catalog title, and if it comes down to buying a title I already own on DVD or Blu-ray on 4K or using that money to buy a title I’ve never owned on DVD, the choice is easy for me. I’m not trying to show off some home theater system. I just don’t want to be dependent on cable or streaming for my entertainment. That’s it.
Of course it's your equipment if you have cheap stuff your not really going to any difference. The new sound format is huge for me I love it and not alot of blurays don't have Atmos . I'm still not where I want to be as far as equipment but I'm getting there piece by piece.
I buy my absolute favorite movies of each year on 4K if they get a release and some of my favorite classics that get a new 4K transfer. So I pretty much have to love a movie before I buy a 4K copy. Other than that I’m sticking with blu-ray or not buying them at all. I’m not an extreme collector though since I only buy what I like. I don’t see the point in buying a movie I don’t care for just because it looks and sounds nice.
Very few movies are true 4K. Especially if they have the special effects. 4K rendering of effects is not just costly, but slow as hell! Literally, the system could take 4-6 months to render that film once finished, just one time! And if anything interrupts that render cycle? It has to start completely over. Even 1080p movies with lots of special effects films can take days/weeks to render the final film.
Great and non biased video man, thumbs up! I started collecting VHS tapes and collected a ton, then when DVDs started getting cheap, jumped to DVD. However, at least in Japan where I live, a majority of the non-bockbuster Blurays cost a fortune like say 60 bucks a movie a so and being a collector of all sorts, there's no way in hell I'm wasting my money on that transition and like you said, even they are not always real 4K. Most of all, this is a nonstop evolution train and I think as you finally showed, most people are happy and really don't see a huge jump even from DVD to Bluray with "regular" affordable equipment.
Picture aside, 4k UHD audio is SUPREME! With Atmos/DTSX, the audio data is like 5x larger. That means higher dynamic range, better clarity, possible lower end extension and sampling rate. I can maybe understand someone deciding not to purchase 4k UHD if they watch on a TV & use the TV speakers, but if you have a better audio setup (at least a nicer soundbar & sub, hopefully surrounds) it's so much better. *There is great master audio on Blu-ray but... #MovieGuy365
Sure 4K might be better than Blu-ray, but to get 4K you gotta buy a new TV and player and it all just seems like a money racket to me. I won’t be converting again (already did VHS to DVD to Blu-ray) and I don’t completely trust digital, but to each their own.
@MovieGuy365 I did the same, only bought new stuff on 4K. I ONLY get 4K of the old stuff when it is a film I can't do without, i.e. Bladerunner. I already had the 25th Anniversary Box set but when it dropped on 4K., I had to pick it up. They did an AMAZING job with the transfer. Also, even 4K digital copies DO NOT look as good as the physical disc copy on 4K Blu-Ray. Still have my VHS copies of things too!
The reason I’m not fully into 4K yet is simple: My projector currently doesn’t support it. I’ll be upgrading the projector at some point and will be ready then. (My Denon AV Receiver already supports 4K and I’ll upgrade my Blu-ray player at the same time I purchase a new projector.). In the meantime most of my new physical media purchases have been 4K/Blu-ray combo packs. (I have to admit to “purchasing” some fav movies via Digital HD when the price goes under $5.00. In some cases they’re replacing DVDs I purchased 10-15 years ago and I just can’t help myself!)
Most movies are not mastered in 4K. 4K at best is just encoded with extra algorithm such as HDR, and the 4K tv able to upscale the extra data encoded in the disc. Plus the option of including Dolby atmos. It is actually false advertising. The tv may be able to play 4K, but mastering is not. I do see the better picture on my girlfriends 4K tv due to the better tv up scaling, and HDR, or Dolby Vision. It is a better picture, but not so much dramatic as the difference between dvd. To Blu-ray. It’s better, just slightly; but hardly true 4K source material.
Forgot a couple points, one for 4K format having less compression and more efficient compression at the same file size using h265 instead of h264 and also the bitrate is sky high. I’ve seen 100megabit on some 4K and bluray is like 17-35!
The cheap TVs have added to the quality issues to full represent the 4k quality advantage. Many 4k discs are limited with fully Quality due to the cost to render CGI as you stated. Being 53 Im limited on space. I like collecting physical media. I started with video tape. In the end of my run. I had collected 2000 tapes and 500 pre recorded tapes. I in the end had to get rid of most. I just simply began as a collector ended up a hoader. Many tapes were transfered to recordable dvd. It was simple I collected to much. Irony Collect with caution. Good Video😎
I'm planning to go through my collection and get rid of some. It's hard if I know I'll watch it. Some defently some I'll always have. I collect different genres. So I get attached to certain types of movies. But I need to get rid of just ok movies and even mainstream movies that aren't really my type of movie per say.
Too many people buy a 4k large screen tv and then think everyone should sit farther back. View too far away and no one can see the difference in hd vs uhd (4k). The opposite is true, i.e. 4k is great because you can and should sit closer to the screen and see the outstanding detail. To take advantage of your 4k tv, put in a 4k disc and sit as close as practical to the screen, and get that big screen cinema experience in your home. There are charts with a simple google search that calculate ideal viewing distance for 4k screens when viewing 4k content. For example, with my 55 inch 4k tv I sit about 6 feet from the screen which is right in the middle of the suggested distance.
To me, each time we step up, it’s been to less effect. VHS to DVD was an amazing step up... DVD to BR was decent step... with BR to 4K is noticeable on larger televisions, but not exactly game changing.
@@jaysbakes37 Nah, my TV is a solid 65”. My best friend has a much larger screen (85”, I think), and there is a noticeable difference in sharpness when you play a BR versus a 4K at that size, but in the 65” range it’s a minimal effect. You can see it but (to me) it’s nothing worth spending the extra money on.
@@jaysbakes37 To be fair, it should not require an OLED to (sometimes more than others) see a big difference. If you are trying to sell your product to a wider audience, then it needs to be distinguishable to the wider audience on equipment attained with a reasonable budget, because the bulk of that audience tries to buy things on a reasonable budget. (Grats on the OLED btw, they are sweet.) Anyway, the difference between VHS and DVD was easily detected on nearly any color TV of that era. It was that dramatic. All I am saying is that the “jumps” from format to format become less dramatic as each one happens unless you are also getting bigger and bigger screens along the way.
I don't quite agree with these 5 arguments but they are valid. There are 2 more that as equally important that were omitted in the video. 1. The Bluray format will be the last format on which movies are released regardless of their popularity. Some less successful or popular are not even on the Bluray 14 years after its release. DVDs are still in circulation and streaming has become the standard. With all that in mind one can safely assume that 4K will be a very niche format for selected titles and limited usage. Just like all surround sounds beyond 5.1. 2. Having CGI and VFX background I know most movies from late 90s and 00s have been rendered at HD and/or 1080 and converting them into 4K is very expensive OR crappy. With that in mind no one is in a hurry to do that or it will never be done. Which immediately brings back p.1
15:09 Sure, if you are still on CRT TV. On those DVD looks excellent! Well, as long as you support physical media! Hell, I buy DVDs too from time to time, if I see something interesting at thrift stores for the right price. I still have hundreds of DVDs. I wish I was a millionaire and able to upgrade them all to BD and/or 4KUHDBD.
Wow. Just wow. My eyes are ageing and I probably need a new pair of glasses to see things perfectly, but even I can see the DRAMATIC improvement from regular DVD, to Bluray to 4k. The biggest difference IMO is DVD to Bluray; It's not even debatable; it's HUGE! Your friend just doesn't want to see it..
@@BirdArvid he says they just turn up the brightness lol and charge more .. but then again he thinks the ernest movies are the best movies ever made and thinks horror movies make more money then super hero movies so he isnt very bright lol
My concern isn't the disc, per se. If it's 4K content on a 4K disc, looks amazing, great. I'm all for it. Years ago, I directed a short film before 4K was even thing, but I hired a DP to shoot it in 4K, knowing that 4K would be a thing in the very near future--and here we are. If I'm being honest, my old tired eyes, confined by the limitations of bifocals, can't see much of a difference between 1080 HD and 4K, but intellectually, professionally, I'm well aware of the difference. Hence, you shoot on the very best available, so that footage, worst case, will always be backwards compatible. You can watch that 4K footage on a 4K screen or render it "down" to 1080p or even SD, and its perfectly watchable on a 1080 or SD screen, respectively. But try doing it the other way around, such as editing some older SD clips into your 4K project, and well, you're facing some real challenges to say the least. So, my priority when purchasing any sort of media devise (TV, player, computer) is balancing between forward thinking and backwards compatibility. I want a laptop with the best processor and largest harddrive available, but still able to run my legacy software. In the case of 4K, the issue isn't the disc or the player, per se (i.e. a Blu-ray player will typically play BD's, DVD's and even CD's), the issue is the backwards compatibility of the television it's being displayed on--thus, the reason I'm mortified at the prospect of upgrading to a 4K television set. Let me explain: My brother calls me a "media hoarder" and I can't really argue with that. I have a good forty years worth of physical media on my shelves (and I'm still buying like a madman) from Blu-ray, DVD, VHS, all the way down to CD, cassette, LP--and giving up any of it will require prying it from my cold, dead hands. Almost every night, I curl up in bed and watch a DVD box set of some old TV show from the 1960's to the 1990's that I loved as a kid and young adult, shows that are mostly unavailable on Blu-ray, let alone 4K--even if I wanted to replace them. These old shows look fantastic, sharp, crisp, displayed just as they were intended on an old school, square 4:3 SD television, which I still have in my bedroom, feeling like a comfortable old leather glove. Meanwhile, downstairs, I have a fantastic 1080 HDTV which will dazzle any Blu-ray or HD cable broadcast you throw at it. But the beauty of it is, my HDTV combined with my Sony Blu-ray player (which is actually 3D compatible) is fully backwards compatible when displaying Blu-ray or DVD. For example, I've been watching a DVD box set of "The Man from U.N.C.L.E."--and it looks just as sharp and crisp on my HDTV (via an HDMI connection) as it does on my old SD television upstairs. There isn't even a hint of blur or pixilation. The same is generally true for watching SD material via Roku or a handful of channels still broadcasting in SD on cable. In general, the picture looks just fine on my HDTV. Furthermore, and I won't blame you for laughing at this: I actually have a Sony Blu-ray player attached to my old 4:3 SD television via an HDMI to RCA composite adapter. I know, I know--what?--WHY?? My answer is simple--backwards compatibility. I can watch my old favorites in bed on my comfy old TV, but still pop in a Blu-ray of "Captain America: Civil War," if I feel like it. It looks just fine from my bed, with black bars top and bottom to maintain its 16:9 image. Bottom line, I love options. But what will happen when one or both my TVs ultimately breaks down and I have to replace it? Most of the TV's being sold now are only 4K. My brother just bought one. It's big, it's awesome...and everything on it looks like crap. Broadcast/cable TV which is still in 1080 HD (in most markets) looks like crap on a 4K television. Even with my crappy eyes, it looks soft and fussy. I have a Roku which is 4K ready, but in our area, the internet sucks. It's hard enough to stream in HD, let alone 4K. On my brother's brand new (major name brand) 4K TV, streaming looks horrible. And while I suspect a standard Blu-ray disc will probably look okay on a 4K set, I shudder to think what a DVD will look like--and I have tons that are irreplaceable. So, no, I'm not looking forward to buying a television where only a niche handful of 4K discs are watchable, while everything else--including broadcast HD television!!--looks godawful...because it isn't backwards compatible.
1. Don’t see a difference. I agree... IF you are watching on a small screen (below 70”). I have a projector and a 100” screen and the difference is pretty noticeable. 2. Cost. & 3. Don’t want to buy again (these are pretty much the same) 100% agree. 4K is expensive. And it’s no longer the most convenient way to watch movies. We’ve seen VHS, DVD, Blu-ray and now 4K Blu-ray. If you’ve bought any movies multiple times you probably feel like me and have started to question your decision making. 4. Not really 4K. This is a big problem that the industry is doing a poor job with. Many movies were filmed and mastered with a DCI 2K intermediate. And I disagree about HDR being the selling point. This IS changing, even if it’s changing slowly. Ironically, some of the best looking 4K releases are re-releases of 35mm movies from yesterday year. 2001 sits on the top of my 4K Blu-ray collection. It is GORGEOUS. 5. DVD is... bad. Blu-ray was such a substantial improvement over DVD and UHD Is a more incremental improvement over Blu-ray. I just dumped my DVD collection because it’s impossible for me to watch anymore.
Iam holding off on 4K,hoping they bring back passive 3D on the 4k tv's.I have a1080p LG passive TV and I prefer pasive to active 3D,I own over 400 3D blu-rays and buy from Europe and The Orient.Have you received 3D blu-ray of Wonder Woman 1984,it is a knockout compared to the 2D blu-ray.
I have 2 4K tvs and 3 4K bluray Players including the OPPO 203....I CAN tell the difference in DVD,bluray and 4k Bluray....My biggest complaint with all this is the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen...I didn`t buy a 55 inch tv to look at black bars.
I could only say this. I spent a lot of money on my set up and I see a difference most of the time! I’ve been buying discs and VHS ever since I can remember. So I can say I have a lot of experience on this hobby. As far as cost yes it is expensive but this is also a hobby. Like most hobbies things cost money. $30 per disc can be costly. I personally don’t buy everything. I only buy what I want. I double or triple dip on certain movies cause I want the best quality or I really want that movie in that format. In the beginning I spent the money on discs. I also have gone through different TV’s LCD and OLED and have both now. I have probably owned 10 different 4K players since they came out. I have 2 now. I’m pretty much happy with my set up now. I now wait for sales, use Best Buy and amazon awards and buy when I get gift cards. So I don’t spend like I use to on discs. I also stream a lot. I do prefer the physical media tho. If you’re a casual movie watcher like the masses then that’s ok. This is a niche hobby. Not everyone is going to spend 5, 10, 20 thousand or even more on a home theater setup. Those who are the reason for this video are buying their 75 inch TVs or any size tv for under $1000 and maybe a sound bar most times don’t care much. Those who like the hobby who have a budget I respect that too, they do their research on what they can buy and get the best bang for their buck. Lastly I like your Chanel and your reviews and have actually gotten a few discs on your recommendation. Thanks.
I bought the movie on VHS, I bought it on VHS widescreen, VHS Directors Cut, DVD first edition, Remastered Superbit DVD edition, 40th Anniversary edition...at that point I was out with physical media. Didn't bother with Blu-Ray. Streaming all the way now.
