Andrew, on the cosmetic point, the reason overwatch doesn’t change too much with the skins is because they said they wanted to keep the readability and silhouettes the same. But I definitely think paladins has better cosmetics
@@drewneville965 Yeah in OW you can get skins much quicker (for free) by just playing the game. In Paladins you can mainly get skins through a box you can sometimes get through the battle pass but the current battle pass in Paladins suck.
When you said Vivian is forgettable maybe because she was intended to (ironically) xD In the lore, she's known as a loner and strange girl who make friends with her "drones" instead of human, until she got finally recruited by the Magistrate. I forgot but I think in one of her cards it says that she's deeply feeling lonely and the only friends she could make are her drones. This is why her Ulti says "Have you met my friends?" when she released her drones.
Something that I prefer about Paladins over Overwatch is that Paladins has a fantasy asthetic instead of a sci-fi asthetic like Overwatch. It's just personal preference, but it's one of the big selling points for me. Along with Paladins being free-to-play, and the existence of Raeve.
To add onto the "Team Comp" point - The flexibility that Paladins has is massively attributed to the fact that... Tanks and Healers are just fun to play. You can go into Quick Play and have people actively choose to lock in Healers or Tanks, because every single character is built around feeling good and rewarding. You CAN contribute a tonne to your teams damage. You CAN have more of an impact than simply "healing" or "making space" and that's just at a baseline level - The kits themselves are also far more engaging. Overwatch had to completely remove the major thing that made it so unique because it's infinitely more fun to play ANY of the DPS than it is to play a Tank/Support (Former Dva/Winston main btw), and while the devs are attempting to address this in OW2, I just can't see it working without major changes to half the roster.
Big Tank/Support Player in OW here I can agree on the state of Tanks. Most Tanks _can_ be really fun to play with a functional team behind you, but if you find yourself needing to carry even just a little as a tank you're gonna have to eat every CC in the game as you limp your way onto the objective while getting little to no credit for it. Good news is, in the OW2 beta, it was a completely different story, and I would go as far as to say Tank was the most fun role. (yes, even more fun than DPS) Supports I _kind of_ disagree on. I think support is actually really fun, the problem is that to this day OW only has 7 supports somehow, when it has 17 DPS characters. I genuinely think all Support needs to be just as fun as DPS is more characters to pick from. The only other issue with supports is when your team doesn't pull their weight, a lot of the time on support you can't really take charge and carry the team yourself like you can with DPS and sometimes Tank - but I struggle to imagine an effective support that could be given the kit to allow them to solo cary without being OP. Some supports are really good at hard-countering certain characters already though, and that's the closest we can get to bekng able to hard carry as support rn, so having a greater variety of counter-picks to be able to switch to would definitely help with that.
I also like Paladins because, unlike Overwatch, they don't make the limited time events, such as the Junkrat boss battle in Overwatch, have achievements/trophies, which is bad for completionists if you go on vacation during that events time frame.
I don't agree. Unlike paladins, Overwatch has tons of casual game modes in arcade and custom games. Talking about quick play, I like the role queue, because I don't get frustrated of my team taking 4 damage champions.
Thats bcoz Overwatch is more inspirated in TF2, where the characters have a high speed acceleration forcing you to move fast to avoid atacks, but you dont have many health. But Paladins is more a MOBA in 1st person, giving the players more health and less punish for dont move. Thats why OW its more "stressfull" (and the reason why I main Winston, no aim and a lot of health).
3:38 (Regarding voicepacks) Just letting any fan of some English dubbed anime know some of the voice talents who appear in Paladins: Default Drogoz/Buck's "Buck Wild" skin - Chris Rager, also plays Hercule/Mr. Satan from Drago Ball Z Default Talus - Erica Mendez, also plays Ryuko Matoi from Kill La Kill & Gon Freecs from Hunter X Hunter "Invader" Pip, "Wukong" & "Monkey King" Talus, and apparently also default Sha Lin and "L-Exo Suit" Lex - Todd Haberkorn. This guy's in a ton of stuff, but I'll just mention Natsu Dragneel from Fairy Tale & Ling Yao from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Default Grover - Christopher Sabat. I mean, it's Christopher Sabat for crying out loud, I don't think I need to elaborate with mentioning any of his other roles. But I will anyway - Vegeta & Picollo from Dragon Ball Z/GT/Kai/Super, Roranoa Zoro from One Piece, All Might from My Hero Academia, Yami Sukihero from Black Clover, Alex Louis Armstrong from Fullmetal Alchemist, at this point you either know his voice or you don't watch much anime.
Also, a couple of overwatch holiday skins have custom voice lines, like zenyatta's Christmas one saying experience festivities. Although paladin's are more numerous and better
My favourite thing about Paladins in comparison is - autoregen. It makes every champion self-sufficient, as opposed to Overwatch where not even a quarter of the roster have self-healing abilities.
Saying not even a quarter makes it sound like there’s close to a quarter, I’m pretty sure if you take abilities out of it there’s like 5 characters and only one can self heal to full health
I've always hated the health pack system in overwatch. Having to specifically learn where every single pack is located on every single map and then forcing your play style around the packs if you aren't pocketed by a healer instead of choosing your battles and where you want to fight. It makes the expansiveness of the map less interesting/viable and keeps you out of the fight for a longer period (especially for newer players who have to go on an Easter egg hunt for the packs)
health packs are alot more impactful towards self sustain than autoregen, since health packs can be used during a fight, when it actually matters. but yeah its definitely annoying having to learn where they all are
@@kneepu11 isn't that a negative though? weather you lose or win in a fight shouldn't be determined by weather or not you got a health pack, thats defeats the purpose of skill if anything
Please note with characters that Overwatch is the normal world but way further into the future while Paladins is just a fantasy world. That's why you don't see any dragons or wizards and I think that shouldn't be a bad thing.
TF2 is a normal world too but the cosmetics makes the character really different, like heavy can be a bird and engineer a monkey or a machine with a TV head
@@timurtheking how does that hurt it, it just makes it different from a fantasy world. And also hamster mutants and talking gorillas are because of future technology and experimentation on animals.
@@timurtheking There’s hamster mutants and speaking gorillas because it’s in the future lol. That’s because of technology. And I much prefer the normal world to the fantasy world. I don’t want dragons or wizards in overwatch
95% of the reason I just can't play Overwatch is the fact that it's a hero shooter with a COD ttk. It makes it ridiculously hard to learn new characters or maps and fighting people who already know those things is really discouraging
If you take some time to learn the game, the ttk increases a lot because you get better at health and recourse management, working with your healers/tanks, and learn where to go/when to peek depending on the map and enemy team comp and play style. The game is toxic to new players tho, which sucks because back when the game was first released, everyone died fast because they didn’t know what they were doing, so it sucks that people are toxic to people that are just trying to learn.
I always forget how much new players die I was playing in a low gm game and had 7 deaths in 15 min… sure they had snipers but as a support I just did my best to los or use creative movement
At low lvls sure because no1 groups or even plays the game even remotely correctly. But at high levels a teamfight can take over a minute, sometimes even more in some metas before someone dies.
Lower TTK means lower skill gap, at the highest level it mostly becomes an aim battle with positioning, movement and *some* , not a lot but some, ability usage
i love how you put so much info for each point. this could easily have been a top 10 list with everything you said, but you made a more detailed argument instead
The biggest difference for me is the healers. In overwatch your basically a defenseless healbot 90% of the time. The few times healers have actually been good like Moira Brigitte and Lucio they've been nerfed into oblivion because of bitchy dps. Meanwhile in paladins healers arnt just complete fodder for damage champions and can outplay and brawl them easily.
I very rarely die as healer and I’m ranked pretty much in the middle of the pack... positioning is really important for characters like Ana and zen, but you can get huge value from them and stay alive a while if you take time to learn maps and character matchups. The characters you listed aren’t OP, they’re just literally the easiest characters in the game, and if you’re saying Moira and Lucio are defenseless, you should know that they’re the types of healers who almost never die first unless they make a mistake
@@froggiewhiskers7205 in PD even if the healer intentionally make mistake..u still can be useful and not die easily..its cus how u build and play that champ determine how good u are..of course u need to learn maps and character matchups too but in PD there is no limit to how u want to play this game...u can play a healer and do as much dmg as the main dmg and carry the team..to me those freedom is what make paladin a better game
@@froggiewhiskers7205 positioning is important to every character so that's irrelevant. Easy isn't bad it shouldn't require a fucking galaxy brain to play what is already the hardest and most focused down role. Healers should be strong and able to hold their own like Moira and Bridgette used to be able to.
@@ahmadaiman9585 exactly this not every mistake is instant death. Being 1mm out of place doesn't mean you get one shot by spamzo. The amount of times I've dueled a DPS as a healer and won in overwatch is maybe 20-30 times over 1500 hours. Meanwhile in paladins that happens every game multiple times a game
I also play rainbow, so I like difficult and punishing games, probably because of how rewarding ranking up and getting better is - you don’t get better by looking up the best builds and load outs, you get better by playing the game more and learning as much as you can (map knowledge and character knowledge is important in both, though). I can see if you’re trying to play a more casual/ less punishing game, paladins is way more like that, and the customizability of things keeps the game fresh, and creating your own builds is really fun. Honestly which game you play matters on personal preference on how you like difficulty in games. As for the nerfing of “strong” healers, Moira and brig are actually meant to be “beginner” characters in the game, but blizzard nerfed them because they almost never died in high ranked lobbies/ had ultimates that instantly won team fights. While this fixed competitive games, it messed up newer players who relied on those heroes to play. If you get good at other characters and go back to Moira, you’ll realize it doesn’t actually take a galaxy brain to survive with her, it just takes some time to learn the game and figure out what to watch out for
I hope you guys enjoyed the video! What do you think Paladins does better than Overwatch? Let me know down here in the comments! Keep in mind that I'm not hating on either game, but rather offering my perspectives on the two and some constructive criticism which might help them improve. Also, if you haven't seen my other video discussing the top 5 things that Overwatch does better than Paladins, go check that out here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9LFTtFJFEvQ.html Join my Discord server: discord.gg/fnjV3nV Follow me on Twitch: www.twitch.tv/andrewchicken (Also, I noticed that at 5:24 I said "the new mount system" instead of "the mount system" like I had in my script. Not sure why I did that, but eh, too late to change it now. The mount system isn't new at all, of course.)
You didn’t mention that, in overwatch, there is a gold version of every weapon from each skin, with no exceptions. That means when you do get gold for a character, you literally double the amount of different weapons you can use for that character. Also, OW cosmetics focus on the guns, as that’s the biggest thing in the screen and right next to your focus at all times, so they put most of their effort into weapon design and animations. So, the golden guns look unique and amazing for every weapon for nearly every skin (some are ugly or don’t do much). I got tracer gold when I played OW, and basically got over 15 new weapons instantly. Meanwhile, in paladins, you just get one weapon and sometimes a skin. So, I personally like the way OW handles golden stuff. I watched your overwatch videos, but I don’t think you ever got a gold skin, so I’m just letting you know that exists. Great video tho!
Does overwatch gives characters golds skins? If not, That's a plus for paladins. I personally grind the hell out of the characters to reach level 50 to get that sweet looking gold skin with weapon.
@@laylowxalex No, OW doesn't give you golden skins on characters, as Froggie said above, OW gives you golden skins only on weapons, but it gives you on every weapon, not only from the default character skins but also from all the skins you have. And Paladins gives you golden character skins (for the default skin) and golden weapon skins (for the default weapon). So here it depends on the everyone's preference which one is better.
@@mihaimihai7673 Yea, the issue is tho that not all characters in Paladins have gotten that golden skin. Nor did they finish the obsidian and galaxy sets which was sorta disappointing tbh
Every animation is also different with each skin in Paladins, also sound effects may also change. In OW it's all the same always. Although, like you said, I did enjoy having multiple golden weapons for each skin. But after how many years and that is still the only reward for comp? I had far higher expectations for OW sadly.
@@Ash-tm2sv i always thought the galaxy/obsidian skins were ugly tbh and at this point most champs have golden skins, with 2 new champs getting one almost every patch
I'm an OW player and fan who's kinda just waiting on OW2 and just picked up paladins in the last few months and I play casually, so I feel like maybe my opinion is a little unique from the rest of the paladins playerbase. These are not in order of what you talked about. 1. I'd like to argue that the skins in paladins are "too creative" for a moment. Yes in overwatch the skins often look like the character is wearing another outfit or costume but the basis of what the character is never changes. I believe that is a good thing and not only that it's on purpose. It's for the identifiability of each character. Conversely, As a newer player in paladins I truly struggle to identify all the characters, especially when most all have skins that change their look so drastically. Example, the new "ripjaw" (I think that's it's name) skin for Buck. I literally thought it was a new character when I saw it. Yes, it's a beautiful skin, but if I hadn't found out it was a skin I'd have no idea that was a character already in the game if I had encountered them in game. This is only hurt further that when I look at both teams loadouts mid-Match, it only shows the player name and the nicknames the game provides. The roster is big and I'm only a few months in and only have a few characters names committed to memory. If the character name was on the mid-Match loadout screen this may help but it may not be as necessary if the skins didn't drastically change the look and silhouette of each character. 2. However I agree 1000% on most of your points on customization. Paladins has a lot of systems (sometimes done poorly or feel incomplete but still) that I love. Talents, loadouts, and items all add something really special to each character. Probably a main reason I continue to play. I find it amazing to see what this "overwatch clone" has become.
Other than Pepper "pip skin" they all have same avatars on top left and right, I think this will help you to identify which person is behind the skin. I agree it will be confusing for new players, but at time you'll adjust to it.
@@alteredveggie1495 That's why Cassie has a crossbow now and Ruckus doesn't transform anymore. But Pharah and Mercy are basically global agenda clones. Look it up.
Also the thing I found quite unfair is the fact that some characters in Overwatch have less abilities overall, in Paladins all champions have a primary fire, 3 abilities and an ultimate, in Overwatch some characters have a primary fire, a secondary fire and 2 abilities, some have 3 abilities some have 4 abilities
If you invested more time in the game you would know why that's the case in ow, some abilities have a higher power level for some heroes such as ana for ex, her abilities can be game changing but require timing and skill and very hard to use but they are on high cooldowns, so if you added a third ability it would completely mess up the balance state of the hero, and same thing can be said for heroes who have 3 abilities such as brigitte her abilities are on low cooldown and not nearly as game changing as anas, so you see, they need a third ability to match the power level of the heroes that have only two. It's not unfair at all. (Sorry for my bad English)
@@ujimass1799 yeah I play the game a bit but not a whole lot but i agree with you, Ana’s abilities are pretty powerful but still like someone like Winston for example, he has a jump and a bubble shield that doesn’t have the most hp, in my opinion these abilities are not that powerful, yes he is pretty reliant on his jump but his bubble can be destroyed pretty easily in my opinion. But I get your point and I agree with you, I didn’t think about that
I personally would have released the overwatch video first as the Paladins viewers will stick around anyway and you wouldn't have needed the disclaimer
Not to open up a whole rant Abt the paladins ow stuff but without a doubt paladins is a better game than ow conceptually what ow has as an advantage is the pure polish and better studio backing it which in this industry means a tonn
A little hint as to the skinns this is purely related to hitbox from ur comments I guess u began after the skinns rework hirez can make much more free skinns because of the hitboxes hitboxes in ow are way more precise so trying to fit any crazy changes is just not possible
i agree, the Stats especially the damage numbers, it's so important, having more info gives you the ability to understand what's going on a bit easier. and customization. multiple ways to play characters is really nice, although i do tend to stick with one loadout for my main BK.
In OW, there’s characters like Lucio who do stuff like speed boost, and the correct play to make when a teammate is low is to speed them out of combat to a health pack or another healer. So, he doesn’t do much damage or healing, but he moves people around the map and speeds characters like Reinhardt, who has a short damage range but deals huge damage, into combat. So, lucios don’t get high stats, but they’re extremely important in certain situations. Stats don’t matter as much in OW bc of this, as it’s more complicated than “who shot the enemy more” or “who healed more”
I think the majority of the point behind horses is that each character gets there at the same speed. You don't have an advantage if you're a more mobile hero and allows everyone to get back into the fight at a fair and equal rate.
I definitely agree that Paladins characters are more unique and interesting, but I don’t think this is really a good category to compare, because the story/theme of the two games is really different. Paladins is set in a fantasy world, so they can literally come up with any peculiar or strange character and it can fit in the game, whereas Overwatch is set a few decades in the future of the Earth, so their options are quite limited with the characters, and they can mostly just go the generic sci-fi direction. In my opinion, Overwatch has done quite a good job on the characters with the restrictions it has in terms of character design and the story genre that it fits in. If you compare it to other shooter games with a similar setting, the characters are definitely much better in Overwatch imo. The way Paladins and Overwatch present these characters to their audience is also quite different. Overwatch has the playerbase interact with characters in a way where they feel emotional connections to the characters, while Paladins likes to show all the interesting quirks and storylines of characters, and this is also the result of the differences in the games’ settings, since this is what the games’ settings allows them to do best with their characters and storylines. I’m not saying that Overwatch has no interesting storylines or that Paladins can’t build a connection between the players and the characters, it’s just what the games do better out of those 2 things.
What I absolutely love about paladins is when you fight against high tier level characters. I'm a lvl 70 Lian and I fought against a lvl 100+ Vatu player that absolutely wrecked me and it made me realize that paladins still has players who are one of the most skilled players ever. I've never seen someone fight and retreat with low health so fast and couldn't die from my attacks. Also when you are fighting against grandmasters it feels different even if you are in casual.
Let me also add that Paladins has a lot less "Stray kills". Imagine coming from spawn, trying to hurry back to an active team fight, just to turn the corner and get pinned by Reinhardt or punched by Doomfist or engulfed by dragons 🐉. Not because they knew you were coming, but soley because they missed the intended target.
the level up system in paladins, the way you can decide your own playstyle (cassidy just exists as a counter to pharah, pharah just exists as a counter to reaper, reaper exists as a counter to roadhog, roadhog as a counter to tracer and so on. meanwhile in paladins you can play as a damage healer like with damba, you can turn an off tank into a point tank like azaan or smth idk i dont play tank, you can play as a support dps like octavia and the list goes on),the item shop, the character consistency (every champ has 1 fire and 3 abilities and an ult, meanwhile in ow some characters have a fire and 2 abilities but others have 1 fire and 3 abilities plus 5 passives or smth), the overall creativity in the characters and the fact that you cant change heroes (because if you can change heroes itll just be you picking a certain counter then the enemy picking a counter then you picking a counter and then the enemy and so on) are all things i think paladins does better. plus its free... need i say more
Problem with OW characters is that OW takes its universe way too serious limiting the potential of the characters they can add, meaning only things kinda grounded in reality while Paladins can go full SCIFI and fantasy
The adjustments you can do in Paladins before and during the game, also adjusting champion's decks for your game style is so satisfying, plus getting into fights way faster just keeps the fun consistent all game long. I got bored playing Overwatch really quick, Overwatch had me feeling like I should be much more careful to stay alive and not try crazy gameplays because of respawn mechanics, but Paladins has tons of different ways to encourage crazy gameplays tons of ways you can get out of a dodgy situation, which keeps the ceiling way way higher for the amount of fun you can have
I’ve been an Overwatch player for years but recently switched to paladins. While the bugs are frustrating, the game is just more fun and each match feels unique
Something extra to add are the loot boxes I must clarify that I am not a fan of loots boxes in games because it is frustrating to spend your money on a box where you cannot choose what you are going to get (you can get what you wanted on the first throw or spend all your money in that chest and not having obtained anything of your interest) but at least one good thing that Paladins boxes have over Overwatch ones is that they can't touch you repeatedly, you can't get an item that you already have. I've seen Overwatch RU-vidrs (who should already have 80% cosmetics in the game) make "opening +50 chests" videos at new events. And maybe at chest # 42 is that they finally get one of the new skins of the event because the previous 41 boxes only obtained objects that they already had. And the worst thing is that if you get a repeat, the game makes up for it by giving you coins that are not worth half of what the skin / pose / play of the game cinematic, etc ...
You can also buy skins through a gold system tho, I just finished buying every skin for my main (that isn’t limited) and I haven’t spent anything on in-game purchase. I also have at least 2 legendary skins for every character, and I’m still a bronze border
there's a lot of interesting tech in overwatch you can learn too if you delve into the game :) and for the autoaim point, it could really go either way. the two autoaim examples you brought up are ultimates while lians are on cooldowns which can be reduced with loadouts and items, so lians can be used much more often, while s76 and mcree have to farm their ult to use it. tactical visor is one of the lower value ultimates and deadeye is difficult to pull off without dying to the point that some higher ranked players use it and cancel it as a quick reload. I do agree with the point about team comp because in paladins the player really is rewarded to learn champions from multiple roles and the availability of healing to every character definitely makes them feel more flexible to play. I disagree with some of your points and agree with others but it is nice to hear your perspective on this comparison! I do feel like there's implicit unavoidable bias of course due to the much lesser time you've spent on ow (Im assuming)
nice insight man, care to share the other points you disagree with? I’m a paladins player who tried overwatch recently, and honestly although I see a lot of its merits I can’t get past a lot of the stuff mentioned in this video, I think it’s the queue times for me.
Among the many issues in OW (like CC abundance and overturned characters), OW also sucks for new players right now, bc lots of smurfs (high ranked players on new accounts) and hackers ruin lower level games. However, if you get past that and start to take time to really learn the game, you’ll realize a lot of subtle map, character, and game design aspects of OW that are not present in paladins. One is that horses aren’t in OW because respawns and timers are synonymous with map and character design, as some characters get to point faster than others, making that an actual weakness on some maps that have longer paths to objective, but those characters that take longer to get there have other map advantages, such as better corners to set up on or better high ground that can’t be used by characters that get to point faster. So, every character is balanced but extremely different, and different maps make you play totally different ways. This is all ignoring team comps and many other things as well, but it makes for some really interesting games as you get better.
I agree with everything except the characters part. The designs of the characters in Overwatch are the way they are due to lore and world building. As for the autoaim thing you mentioned, those are ultimates. You won't use them as much. Now if you mentioned Winston or Moira? I'll bite. But those Ultimates are no more devastating than Lex, or being eaten by Yagorath. What I WILL give Paladins a leg up on vs Overwatch, is the characters having similar weapons. If I want to use an Assault rifle, I can pick Viktor, Tyra, Vivian or even Khan. In Overwatch? ONLY Soldier 76! Revolver? Androxus or Lex. Overwatch? Only McCree. I don't get the benefit of using that weapon with a different kit.
Couldn't disagree more. The amount of players I see in paladins refusing to buy items or even not picking a talent is astonishing. If there isn't someone throwing, you get a bot on your team that is basically useless. If you're speaking more in terms of giving up because they become frustrated then yeah overwatch would be on top there, but I think that's because the community is much more competitive whereas paladins is much more casual.
@@crumbs6866 I do agree, I see it in both games when you start losing. Like how tf are you ever supposed to get better or actually win if you just give up at the smallest inconvenience.
N°5 : While I do agree that the skins are more original on Paladins and that the customization of the skins is better, in terms of actual design and details and everything, Overwatch has the better skins. They're less original and out there but the skins have so much depth and so many details, many of these skins are also lore skins. But yeah Overwatch is more "serious", no matter the skin everyone must be able to identify the hero immediately, hence why there's no voice pack or different animations (Mercy is the only one that has a skin with different sound effects I believe and it's very minimal). The one thing that Overwatch definitely does better than Paladins on skins though, is the availability. It feels just so hard to get any skin with Paladin because they're all locked behind some kind of chest or whatever. In Overwatch you can just buy the skins, the events ones are a bit more expensive but you get a lot of gold just by playing and, except for Pink Mercy and OWL specials, you can buy all the skins when the event comes back the year after or during anniversary. Paladins skins are a lot harder to get after their initial release, or at least that's how I feel. As for mounts, it just simply is not something doable in Overwatch and it would harm the game, it's not designed like that and the breaks during fights are very important. N°4 : Yeah when they decided to lock roles it was when the game really take a turn for the worse IMO. But hey, DPS complained enough so they got what they wanted in OW2, guess it pays off to whine non stop. As for the Ban system, it should really never be added to Overwatch. First, there's half the heroes in OW as there are in Paladins, second you have no kit custom, you have to switch, so banning heroes is a big no no. Another thing is, since Blizzard is so bad at balancing the game, or at least they take so long, that would mean that some heroes would be perma ban for probably more than a year. Take Mercy during Moth meta, that thing lasted for 18 months. Sure with a ban system it would not have existed but she also would not have been available for 18 months in rank. Same things with Rein who is often a must pick, not because he's busted, but because there's literally no other tank that can do what he does. That's one thing that I would add on the Paladins side : the metas don't seem to be nearly as stagnant as Overwatch and the devs don't seem to be too stubborn to change problematic designs and instead change the way the game is played completely to "fix things" and end up not fixing anything. N°3: While I do personnally agree with showing more stats, I have to say I do not want Overwatch do that, I would even like them to remove the medals. The community is just so toxic that they use every single thing to harrass you no matter your level. There's also the fact that the roles in Overwatch are a lot more intricate than in Paladin, there are 3 categories but in reality in the Support role alone, Mercy should either have max healing if she's main heal or max damage boost if she's off heal, Moira should have max heal and a lot of damage, Lucio should have little heal but tons of assists etc. People are such hypocrits that they'll just overlook that and tell you that your Lucio did no healing and that's why you lost even though he's not supposed to, or your Widow has little damage even though she has tons of solo elim which is what matters on her etc. That's what's happening with the medals already. As for the infos, yeah it makes no sense that there's no detailed info in game, that's just weird. N°2: That's kinda what I said above. Overwatch is "realistic", as in these characters could really exist in the future, the dragons and stuff are for skins only. That's Overwatch being more serious, it's really a personnal preference thing. As for hero design, once again Overwatch is a lot more realistic, almost every ability is something that could exist for real, it has explanations and everything, but in terms of complexity I'd say both game are equal. Your example for Pharah and Droggoz is good, but you can also find examples for the opposite like Treeman and Lucio: Lucio's kit is by far more fun, complex, and interesting. As for autoaim, while I once again do agree, on Overwatch these are ults while Lian is an ability, meaning it will be used a lot more. Besides McCree's ult is often used as a quick reload because it is honestly pretty bad. N°1: eeeeeh i really agree with this point especially now with the role lock. One thing though "Grokh's ult is like Zen's ult if it were cooler and more useful" --> literally the best ult in Overwatch but okay :')
Ok I did not just hear you say overwatch is more intricate than paladins did I? Overwatch, without a doubt, is way shallower than paladins, and whilst paladins in comparison to a lot of other games doesn’t go that in depth with card and loadouts it’s certainly infinitely more intricate than overwatch You know about the card and load out system right? It’s what turns Raum, the minigun wielding off tank into a weird healer, Grohk, the lightning orc shaped support into an incredible damage dealer and Cassie, the mid long range crossbow DPS into an agile close range assassin, and you’re gonna tell me that overwatch with slight variations in how you can play each character, like running mercy as an off healer damage booster, is “more intricate” than paladins? Excuse me whilst I turn my healer pip into a backline flanker and my Flanker Buck into a point tank…I’m done now, now tell me how running lucio as a meme damage dealer is more interesting than anything paladins does If I misunderstood something I apologise but paladins gets by with just Credits Earned, Objective time, K/D/A, Damage done, Shielding done and Healing done and no one questions it when Skye (Flanker) heals more than Grohk (Healer)
@@f.b.iagent3971 I did not say that. The only thing that I said that could be interpreted like that is my comment about Grover and Lucio but that was not really what I said, it was more : for two characters that are quite similar, some are better in Paladins and some are better in Overwatch. Lucio has the better kit and in this particular case I do believe that his kit is by far more complex and diverse than Grover's even with the card system (since Lucio can do so many things), but Droggoz, without the cards, is already better than Pharah. I agree with you in general though.
Lucio probably is one of the most unique characters I've seen in a game like paladins and overwatch but I feel like overall paladin's roster is superior.
Something I think paladins also does better than overwatch is listening to their community, and the AoC (assembly of champions) is a good example of that. The members of the AoC are content creators chosen by the paladins community who will meet with the developers to discuss what the community wants for the game: changes, reworks, improvements. And even tho there are no guarantees, the developers are there to listen and give their own feedback. That's really cool!
There’s bugs in paladins from day one that I (and other people) have been asking for years to get fixed, but never have. Meanwhile, in OW, if a bug is found for a map or character they instantly ban it from all modes and fix it within a week. So I think they both listen to communities well, just in different ways
@@froggiewhiskers7205 lmao yall really do understand about the spaghetti code that paladins has...and in my experience im not having any bugs for almost 2 years ... Blizzard isn't perfect, all games have bugs, happens that the first team that paladins had programed a code, a spaghetti code and now the current team is trying to fix everything that they can for this moment
really good Vid. Im looking forward to the reverse video as well now. I much prefer paladins mainly due to the customisation and the fact it just feels less sweaty most of the time. Ive seen comparison videos before, most are now 2 years+ old but its nice to see someone going into the actual reasons behind an argument.
I changed my skin on Bomb King and the color of my attacks and the fire was a color that matched my skin. In Overwatch I made my Orisa all pink but my bullets and effects were still green which I didnt like. Its little stuff like this really.
15:15 I agree they are more creative character designs but if there was something like a goblin in overwatch that wouldn’t make sense like where did they come from were they a part of overwatch it just wouldn’t fit overwatchs lore and also if there was idk a military group in China but among normal people there is a ghost that just wouldn’t make sense
@@Ash-tm2sv I honestly don’t know why they’re in the story but I never said it was realistic but I actually forgot why they have them but they’re brothers of a family who had the dragons so duh they can control it
@@Ash-tm2sv but what I meant is hanzo and genii are like ninjas right but overwatch is this huge government agency so like military black ops wich genji was in and he wasn’t a ninja it’s not too far off also why u point out genji or unrealism when sigma can control F$@$# GRAVITY
07:48 originally overwatch didnt need 2-2-2 but the introduction to brigitte caused a triple tank triple healer meta, they tried to nerf her but it didnt work and eventually had to make the role lock system
I’ve played both and think both are really fun, I do think that Evil Mojo puts much more emphasis on cosmetics for money purposes, haven’t seen a new map since launch or something (which I didn’t play at that time). How ever they do make new champions decently often. Where as in Overwatch the developers seem to focus more on the gameplay itself. Would be great to see more focus put on more maps, new champions are always cool, but a new map atleast once or twice a year would be great.
While you make good points I think the customization is a double edged sword, as a result of it healers and tanks feel worse as the games go thanks to caut and wrecker,, cooldowns are sometimes incredibly long because of chronos and cd cards, and this makes the championship have more downtime..I think items especially need reigning in if paladins is to stabilize and evolve , caut, wrecker , chronos, and resilience hold too much sway because they determine everything in the game , and I feel it could be way better if they were gone and a health season done on the game
7:43 I hate the que times so I completely understand this part but the roll ques were to get rid of a meta that had taken a whole year and included 3 tanks 3 supports so I think it was a smart move but it is annoying to only be able to play one roll
meta is not made by the company its made by the players the 3-3 comp only worked because some chaps were outright broken in OW to handle such situations paladins has bans and one camp per match ie. if your opponent takes x champion you cant.
@@firstcomment5161 Ik it’s just another solution to that problem it didn’t work as well but it worked same as if you spill on your shirt you can buy a new one or clean the old one they both work just one works better than the other
The thing is you dont have to role que, its up to you, you can play comp or casual in open role and find a match under a minute so I guess Andrew didnt know that when making this video
What I’ve determined, is that if OW devs moved to paladins, paladins would probably be the best objective team shooter out there, but as we all know, Hi-Rez dev qualification require them to know how to shove their thumbs up their ass to be hired on the job.
Ohhhh but what about Sym's Dragon skin, all of the All-Star skins, Genji's halloween skin, etc? I think they do make the skins you want they just make them fewer and further in between whereas it seems like Paladins is constantly making new crazy skins that almost completely change the character's sillhouette. It's definitely a rich game and I want to try it out but I like Overwatch for the simplicity too, but deff agree they should make more content.
Paladins have a high ground in terms of the theme of the game. Paladins have fantasy theme while Overwatch has Futuristic. If overwatch starts adding fantasy characters like a dragon or a worm monster, It won't make sense unless they make it a robot. While If paladins add character like a futuristic robot, It still makes sense since time traveling is a thing in the game.
time traveling is in overwatch too, Tracer. I think they just haven't really dipped their toes into how far they can go with the game tbh. They really need to expand the universe they're creating, I'd absolutely love to see robot dragons and worm monsters. Like Horizon Zero Dawn-esque type of robots.
Paladins is, by far, the superior game. The only thing OW does better.. is graphic quality.. and custom games. But when I wanna play a hero shooter, Paladins is my choice
Overwatch Player here: I actually think this is a very nice non-biased analysis on what paladins does better, but here's a few post thoughts that I have For number 5, I can fully admit that the cosmetics in paladins are more dramatic and out there, but for Overwatch, it's important to note a few things: The skins in overwatch (in my opinion) do a better job of committing to avoiding gameplay advantages/disadvantages. For example, some skins in paladins drastically change the effects on a weapon so badly that people would opt to change it out. Of course, this comes with another benefit of paladins with more customization, but there is the issue that the skins even hinder the player to begin with. The skins in overwatch also do look more like costumes because... they kind of are? Some skins focus on lore, and some skins are hinted at/talked about through interactions. I think the main point was to keep the general idea of the character the same, making it fundamentally different from what paladins is going for. Finally, the overwatch skins are a LOT more accessible, and for many are a goal to collect during events and such (something I think paladins could work on.) This is of course because paladins doesn't cost money, meaning they need to monetize something, but that doesn't change that Overwatch does have a consistent amount of skins for each character, all that you can unlock for free. For number 4, it's an interesting topic. For one I do see how the team comps and queues can be a bit annoying especially for dps but here's some things to note: It was VERY annoying trying to play such a team oriented game where you can get obliterated before you even realize it when there were simply teams with no shields. The combat between overwatch and paladins (specifically the ttk) are drastically different, meaning you really couldn't get away with a 4 dps 2 healer team like you can in paladins. Back when I used to play paladins over overwatch, I remember the most aggravating thing was when your team would skip out on an important role like frontline or healer, and you were forced into a team battle without them because you can't switch (not that paladins needs to add a switching mechanic.) To address the queue times, from what I have seen you mostly played characters per video, meaning you weren't playing much flex. By flexing, you can get priority passes so that you can effectively half the queue times on dps. When queueing for flex, healer, and tank, the queue times are also less than a minute, but I can fully agree that DPS queue times are a dread and are mostly the reason I avoid the role. For number 3, I have nothing to say. I do like the career profile, but it's undeniable that the stats paladins provides are infinitely more useful than a few meaningless medals. Number 2 is of course a messy topic. On one hand, the actual gameplay is a bit different so I don't want to focus too much on the skills. In the world that overwatch has built, it doesn't really make sense for fairies and dragons and such to exist because there's simply no magic or anything of the sort. Overwatch focuses on a more scientific world where there are really just humans, omnics (the robot guys), and of course the genetically modified animals. That being said, I do think the character designs of paladins are a lot more intriguing and unique especially for a team shooter game, but in the context of overwatch and its lore, I think those characters are more fleshed out. As for the autoaim argument, I don't really think Soldier and Mccree are an issue. For starters, those are both ults, meaning they're not something able to be commonly used. On top of this, those ults are actually considered some of the lower tier ults in the game, with soldier being the considered the worst (and is the reason he gets little play at a high level.) Soldier's ult makes it to where he can't get headshots, meaning he drops dps and can even lose to another soldier without their ult, and mccree gives enough time for the entire team to move. At the highest level, high noon is used as a mere zoning tool or even a 2nd instant reload ability like his combat roll. The auto target is a pretty small aspect of overwatch that isn't too big of an issue (excluding maybe moira who has very mediocre dps) Either way both games have great and super cool characters. For number 1, there's simply no debate. The customization with cards and talents and such are simply better in paladins and I have nothing more to say about it. I've preached for a long time that mechanically the idea of customizable abilities and talents are something overwatch should take inspiration from paladins on. They are actually going this route for the pve in overwatch 2, but I don't think they'll be adding it to the pvp aspect. (fingers crossed) All in all, great video :)
In terms of number 1, it is straight up the reason I refuse to try paladins, I dont find that level of customization to be even slightly enjoyable. It adds to much variability to the game play. Character x should always have character x's set abilities and character y theirs. I dont want to have to guess whether character x has their set abilities or some other random abilities. Also having item shops contributes to snowballing which is just completely unenjoyable for both teams.
You forgot to mention two things. First of all the fact that paladins has out of combat healing and also how the ultimates work. In paladins if u get killed while u are deploying your ult you dont loose it but in overwatch u do so its really annoying when your ultimate get interrupted because u loose it. This can be seen in 16:43 when u were the drogoz and didint loose your ultimate
In my opinion, you should be punished for using your ultimate at the wrong time. About cc canceling ults, Blizzard has confirmed they are going to remove most cc abilities from non tank heroes in Overwatch 2.
I feel like the freedom to form team comps without balancing for roles is a detriment more often than it is a benefit, I really liked paladins' gameplay but wanting to play dps and almost never having people willing to play tanks and supports was what made me quit the game. Yeah queue times in Overwatch suck but at least the match will feel competitive rather than just a curbstomp because we have 5 DPS. Even in QP classic it feels better because you can change your character at any point in the match, often people will get tired of being destroyed and will actually switch to something useful. Other than that I agree with your points, great video!
I've won with 5 DPS I've been beat by 5 DPS. Theres dozens of cards and three different items in paladins that let you go without a role. Meanwhile in overwatch only one DPS has kit healing ONE.
@@syveenwolf Soldier, Mei, Reaper, Symmetra and Tracer can self-heal. Doomfist and Torbjorn give themselves shields and armor, and Sombra, Tracer, Soldier, Reaper and Genji are characters with the mobility to play around healthpacks. That's really not the point, yeah, obviously you're gonna win games with wacky comps and lose against them in both Paladins and OW's Quickplay Classic and Open Queue, but that doesn't represent what the experience is most of the time. Most of the time the experience is just people forming a bad teamcomp and losing against the team with a balanced composition.
on the stat point, well i think paladins does good at showing the board except for 1 thing: dmg taken during match, which is important to the tank (because champion like Terminus, Inara doesnt have shield to show how much they try to survive, or how much dmg they were received) also, with the death cap, well i think due to the lack of space, but this will miss one or two enemies if u get kill by 4 or more
I agree with most points homever number 4 is false, you dont have to play 2 2 2 and wait 8 min for dps, qp classic is always available and you can play whatever hero you want and que times are no longer than a minute, you also have modes without limits (so you can have multiple same heroes in the team, 6 reins for example)
I love both games, but something I don’t like about Overwatch, is how much ultimates affect the game. Like if half the heroes ult, your reaction should just be to run or put up a shield, hoping it lasts (unless it’s Hanzo’s ult, then you just run)
Isnt that ranked only? Haven't been playing overwatch long so I don't remember. Also I believe they don't use open queue in pro comp which is technically the standard for what a game is.
@@cagxplays9602 yes, its ranked only, but its a whole other section than role queue meaning your role queue stats wont change, so if you mess up in open queue it doesnt really matter. I believe they switched from open queue to role queue in pro OW to make the teams more reliable and also for the fact that its what most people play in the game itself. Having an assigned role can be helpful when creating OWL teams.
Overwatch used to have no mandated 2-2-2 role system, but that just ended up with everyone being forced to play one optimal team composition if they wanted to win (goats, 3 tanks and 3 support just speeding around in a chaotic deathball) which meant 80% of the heroes never got played in ranked outside of plat. That forced several balance changes which ruined and overbuffed heroes outside of that composition which all became an unmanageable mess that was not fun to play. They left open queue in its own playlist, but nobody plays it because of the queue times.
I've tried paladins first since it was free and really enjoyed it, and so later I bought Overwatch since I figured it was just a better paladins, but after playing for a little while, I preferred paladins.
I completely agree with every point in this video. I just feel like there’s more content overall in Paladins with the way that you can build your characters alone.
And the fact that Paladins communicates with their community and updates the game regularly. One of the main reasons I entirely quit Overwatch was because they just bring back the same exact events and throw in a couple new skins that they didnt even make themselves in studio. They hire outside teams to do that work. So its like wtf are you guys even working on? A skin for 9 wins and a spray wont keep me entertained for years.
Paladins feels more responsive, & It's easier to make sense of what's going on. Both team & enemy health bars are more pronounced & easier to keep track of. You can much more easily see how much damage you're doing and when your teammates need heals. Everything just seems to blend into the background in Overwatch imo. The sound play in Paladins makes everything feel better too. The ting of headshots, the bloop of bomb king sticking someone, and the ding of every elimination are all so much more satisfying than anything I've experienced in Overwatch.
Cosmetics are definitely the biggest plus imo against Overwatch. I absolutely love how some change a character's voice lines and even personality. My only complaint however it can get a bit confusing when you don't know the skins well like, "what character is that", which I think Overwatch nails a lot better with its skins.
In terms of characters... well I hope this doesn't dwindle into a political debate, but... I like how Hi-Rez and Paladins practically don't give an effin' thing about being relatable as opposed to Blizzard and Overwatch trying to ensure things are relatable. Like in Paladins, you don't have to be a draconic thing to enjoy playing as Drogoz, or you don't have to be an evil marauding demon to enjoy playing as Raum. (There are few exceptions in Overwatch like Winston, Bastion, Wrecking Ball, but as you mentioned in the video, a lot of the characters are human so it would gain points for relatability based on their nationality or their spectrum, like Symmetra with autistic people) I also like how Hi-Rez absolutely does not touch on the orientation of the characters. Even if I'm fine if some characters turn out to be gay, the fact that orientation is something never touched at all means that they avoid the pandering bullet. Which is honestly fine. (for instance, I don't have qualms with Soldier: 76 or Tracer being gay, but the way they reveal themselves seem to be because Blizzard want to pander on the gay crowd or do some damage control based on the controversy happening at that time) More power to you if you think relatability or orientation play a very important part in liking a character, but that's just how I think. EDIT: Okay, I just found out that both Fernando and Saati are supposed to be gay and lesbian respectively. But I'm pretty sure those reveals aren't about saving faces or pure 'relatability' factor.
Yes, damnit, finally someone who gets it. Unlike Blizzard, Hi-Rez make gay characters *authentically.* Like, for Saati it just makes sense, c'mon, look at her and at her teaser. And with Fernando it's kinda even poetic: he's the last champ one would suspect to be gay, but him acting all straight and hitting on female characters is just a disguise - he literally pretends to be a person who actually died. In Overwatch, it doesn't make sense, it doesn't fit into the characters' lore or complete them in any way, it doesn't affect anything, it's there for no reason other than just to be there. Just so Blizzard can act all like "Look how tolerant we are 🤡" Yeah, cut the crap. And even with that, Hi-Rez succeed in making some champs relatable. Take even Drogoz; indeed, you don't have to be a lizardman to like him, but then he also was born without wings which technically makes him disabled; as for me, though, I just love dragons and find Drogoz adorable ☺ On top of having been a Pharah main back when I played Overwatch, that is.
I got banned about a year ago in paladins for 72 hours because I kept getting a bug where I wasn't allowed to pick a character I went out and bought overwatch the same day. I also don't like how when I played it felt like new patches and champs came like twice a day XD. It felt like there was no solid metas not because the game was balanced but because numbers were always being changed. Every time I took a break even for a week or 2 I'd come back and something would feel different or numbers would change. Honestly I feel like this game has just been on a nose dive ever since they took away the ability to mix and match skin parts.
@@khaledal-mulfi1191 But on the other hand zen's ult can counter other op ultimates like soldier's, ashe's and phara's While, well, grohk's ultimate can be countered by various heros, even other sups can counter him
Zenyatta's ult was the one thing that made him useful tbh, because as a healer he always felt ineffective. If they allowed him to heal people through walls, he'd be much more effective since he can only heal 1 person at a time without ult.
earlier in the morning I was playing pip with 4 other healers, cuz I jokingly said lets all go healers. which lead to the team comp of , me as pip, ying, grover, rei, and corvus. We were winning but for some reason the game crashed T-T
for number 4 paladins should make it that not everyone picks damage because I'm a support main but sometimes I like to play damage but were never missing damage because it's the most played role and I feel like they should let others play damage sometimes
I’m a fan of both games and just want to say something real quick about the gold skins in overwatch. There are gold skins in overwatch in the form of the seoul dynasty overwatch league skin. Even though in normal situations you need to pay 5 bucks for each skin they still look amazing and defently deserve it.
4) This is again good and bad. ok QP queue in OW is a bit too long probably but when it comes to ranked id rather wait that 10 minutes for a good game instttead of waititng only for 3 and getting much worse games 3) Biggest thing imo is the death recap which is imo massive thing that i would like to see in OW 2) I have always had a much bigger issue with auto aim in paladins. (well mostly) because of the fact that in OW they are easier to shut down and are ults you know? where as lian is like oh in a duel im just half HP before itt even starts because she has auto aim always. 1) Imo both have an advantage so in a competitive play i like to know what the enemies are capable of where has more variability like you said meaning in casual game play is imo better.
As soon as you started with cosmetics i was like.. is this video satire..? But after i listened to what you said, you have some really good points. Overwatch looks so much more polished that i wasn't giving paladins enough credit. Nice video
Honestly, the reason I switched from paladins to overwatch was because I got tired of being stunned every two seconds while thousands of bright and flashy moves covered my entire screen
sorry im confused are u saying u moved from paladins to ow or from ow to paladins, cuz i am fairly sure that, while i dont deny there is cc on paladins, u have way more cc in ow.
Overall, I think this video was pretty well handled in terms of bias. Of course, I disagree with a few things most notably the character switching aspect. If you are drogoz for example, going up against lian on an open map, you can hardly reach her she AUTO AIMS and your team will basically be fighting a 4v5. In a world where you can counterpick by playing someone else, that seems much more exciting as it encourages changing up your comp to try and win the fight. My opinion obviously, but I feel that would only help the game instead of relying on most of the time luck to win a bad matchup. Yes, skill is involved but if you have an equal skill drogoz and lian against eachother, the lian will most definitely win.
For the characters point it all depends on who you are talking about. For example, Genji. Genji has the double jump of maeve, the dashes of tib ult, the wall climb of koga, all in one hero. He also feels better to play than all of those champs with the exact same ability. P.S. I highly disagree with the auto aim statement. While I hate lian too, her auto aim is farrr worse than soldier's or mcree's because they are ults. A single ability you used once in a while. And yes, they can charge fast is you are good with them, but that doesnt justify Lian having 2 auto aims just because. Not to mention a lot of the time mcree's ult is pointless because you are vulnerable in it.
Just simo you know the role lock in overwaych was introduced after way to much games where you would have 5 damage heroes in your team. Also there was a meta for almost 2 years which was 3tanks and 3 healers and was so beoken that even though it was strongly disliked everybody played it
Agree agree agree... now I'm curious to see the 5 Reasons where OW is better. At the moment I can think of only 2: much less buggy and more skill required when aiming (smaller hitboxes). I only bought OW as a replacement for Paladins when OB64 came out. But since they kinda reverted OB64, Paladins is the much better game imho. If it weren't for the bugs... the BUGS! Bugladins! 😅
I do feel that the auto-aim argument in number 2 is biased cus although Cree and 76 have insane auto-aim burst team wiping potential, they are ultimates that need to built up. Lian's abilities are 2 skills with already short cooldowns that can be reduced with Chronos AND Octavia's passive. I also think that part of the reason Overwatch can't really be diverse more creative on their characters is because of lore. While Paladin's lore is flexible (Cof cof Alien Worms and Ancient Pirates cof cof) Overwatch's lore is stuck to Humans vs Robots with sci-fi, and before you say Winston and Hammond are animals, they were designed to test the effects of prolonged habitation in space for humans to explore.
I'm gonna guess bugs, lag, and balance is gonna be in the Overwatch list lol The three things that I feel Paladins should fix but has trouble doing so.
Paladins also has an advantage over OW on map design im my opinion OW maps are very big and open, making characters like widowmaker incredibly strong, and making it practically impossible to play without a shield in paladins, the maps are more enclosed, they have more cover and on top of it all they also have more flank routes
Hi Andrew on the point of team comps 2/2/2 is the best thing that happened in ow imo. No one wanted to play tanks, and most people did not want to play support (coming from a support main 'ana'). So I'd rather wait a few more minutes to get 'quality' games more often. And u can still ( I don't see why you would want it) play quick play classic or open que ranked, Wich basically is old-school overwatch Wich whas a shitshow most of the time :p
While I do understand your point and i totally agreed with #1, saying that you can only play one way in OW is just something a low level player would say haha no offense, we alll were noobs a some point! But OW is a good example of an "easy game to play but a damn hard af game to master". The fastest example is Reinhardt, in low level all you do is put your shield and press W, at mid-higher levels YOU are the team captain, you are setting the pacing of the game, you are playing those "mind games" with the enemy.. That's the whole meme in OW "MAIN tank difference" . Or something like Mercy "the easiest character in OW" where you are only pressing left click , not even aiming and walking like a brain dead bot, maybe a low-mid level player, because a higher level is tracking every single ability the enemy has and flying all around the map without touching the ground of dying not even one time. Yes, in OW everyone has the same kit but you have a lot of "micro-decisions" to take, it's something like 1 sec to choose ONE option out of 20 possible thing to do, and only one is the correct anwser, the other options will kill you and your team will lose the team fight. It's really hard tbh, this is why Competitive sucks in OW
