Every time I see “off tank” it reminds of none of my favorite Reddit threads. Someone was arguing that raum couldn’t fit as a tank and the other person said “yeah it’s called an off tank” the original guy replied with “ah yes I play off damage, I don’t do damage.”
idfk why Raum is an offtank. I normally run this loadout: 5 Abhorrent Vista 5 Shattered Essence 3 Tormented Fissure 1 Abyssal Connections 1 Void Lord basically i just stay on point (getting a LOT of souls from point-cappers since they're nearby) and almost be unkillable? just a while ago I had a ranked match (solely to complete the trials challenges), i just wanted to win, so I run my usual loadout with subservience. but this guy asks me to play more on offtank when I barely ever played flanks. I try, and I fucking die. I'm just more comfortable playing on tank with this loadout. In comparison, I've had a siege match where I fight off fernando and Azaan that lasted an entire 30 minutes because I lasted so long as an On-Point-Tank. Even had 1K objective time. in casual, but still. Point is, I managed to do good as an on-tank. I hate people who call Raum Offtank now. if anything, being on flank routes mean you get less souls = less survivability. Isn't Raum's main purpose to deal a lot of damage and soak up a lot using those souls he just got? Flankers have a lot of mobility, and if anything causes you to get few souls.
@@VinTJ I haven't seen a Raum win a game as a point tank in a very long time. He's fairly easy to shutdown with CC. As long as you grind down his soul armor faster than he can replenish it (smart shield/cover usage with stuns to delay using the ability a bit) you'll kill him since the heal is useless. Also, why the 100 hp shield? That gets destroyed instantly, and doesn't clear any caut or anything. Doesn't seem to even work as a filler.
@@Chr0n0s38 thanks I guess I just got lucky and met bad players. I've won raum point tanking quite a few times. for sure he's better in TDM though because there's no objective.
@@VinTJ TDM is different entirely. Pretty much any discussion of what the meta is focuses on siege specifically. Point tanks aren't needed in TDM, off tanks actually work better there.
Yag has one of the coolest to use ultimate in the game. It's a shame that the character needs someone holding her hand in order to not die every 5 seconds.
OK that Raum intro was sick, and the fact that he is the face of the word 'Juggernaut' makes it hilarious! EDIT: Ok the fact that you made that up makes it double more hilarious!
You just made me realize how strong Khan is and make me wonder why I rarely play him. Hmmm. Think I will try him some this weekend. Loved the outro with Atlas! Nice work and nice list!
Yooooo love your vids. Currently salty at the game rn..... (mainly because of other players) but I do love too whatch you play and here your opinions. It makes me glad too see that there are still some people passionate about this game
Honestly surprised Terminus didn’t make the list, though i guess it’s better to not re-use tanks when Terminus’ off-tank abilities were already previously mentioned
In my opinion the best counter to Raum is Corvus bc he has alright healing and good damage and when u pair him up with his knife stun ability when Raum is using juggernaut it will stop Raum apon impact dealing 400 damage and then teleporting through him dealing about 800 damage and also help from ur team he’s dead meat
Fun Fuct about Raum's counters: I've played as BK against Raum and he totally destroy my whole team. But in the next game I've also play against Raum, but as Tiberius. Oh god, I'm kinda sad of that Raum XDDD He's got totally bullied by Tiberius. I recommend Tibby. He's GREAT counter to Raum, if you didn't know.
As a Raum main I honestly can’t think of a single time I’ve ever had any issue with Tiberius. In fact just being a off tank player in general, I’ve always found Tiberius to be one of the easiest flanks to shut down.
@@hazardous8301 I suppose you meant damage champs. But honestly, it think it kinda depends. I remember I also had Jenos in my team, and he kept to shut down raum's F and then I bursted him with Combat Trance. So it could've just been Void Grip's fault.
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I think Raum is a bit overrated. He stomps on lower elos because he's easy to play and needs counters, but in higher elos it's very difficult to perform with him since he can't get out of caut easily and can be focused down easily by an organized team. He's like ruckus without mobility but more of a bullet sponge. Better on low elos, worse in higher. I personally believe Ash is a better off tank and can slot into 5th, moving up makoa and Ruckus
Just a suggestion bro, can you also add the description when talking about the hero Talent? Some of us haven't memorized all the talents, esp on heroes we're not familiar with 😆
Yag is a utility point tank. I do believe she can see more of the battle field than others due to her height, though I could be wrong. Anyway, she's basically a tower from Dota 2.
As good as ruckus is i think that him and Torvalds shouldn't get affected by cauterize when their sheilds are up because you don't get life back with life rip when shooting their sheilds
Id argue fernando should be considered An Off tank as his shield cant protect shit while standing on objective and hes good for burst damage and with cards has pretty good mobility. Id say he should be number 2 Or 3
Personally I'd swap yag and Raum and then move her down to #4 or #5, otherwise solid list. She's basically raum with an execute and also provides info(by revealing opponents through walls) shields for whoever flanks/dives with her.
Does Atlas’ rewind and second chance still work the way you described here? (Min enemy health, max own health) in another video you said rewind can heal enemies if you time it wrong
yo andrew you can look up statistics and yago is still the champion with the by far highest winrate in ranked even after the nerfs so just giving him an honorable mention is kind of objectively wrong Edit . Ironically atlas has the worst winrate of all the offtanks or at least a subpar one and I find that he suffers a lot from the over the top resil buffs
shocked that raum made the list - especially over Yag. Shes honestly a better version of him with her better mobility and partial CC immunity. Plus she has a better ult IMO.
Yags ult is one of the worst ults in the game. She is even easier to shut down then Raum, isn’t as tanky, and possesses way less sustain. The only thing she has on Raum is better over all mobility. Not to mention Raum completely shuts her down 1vs1.
Ruckus is very high skill cap because of his mobility. If you learn to use it well, he can be the best off tank. If not, you see ruckus feed all day every day
Guys,have you ever seen Troval pairs up with Groover.Those pairs are hell! Groover is gonna grip you & Troval gonna shut your mouth up,even worst if Jenos is there!! I've been with those 3,they'll end it real slow.Its scary ":3
Term is one of the best tanks that can do both. I'd say he's very viable off tank especially w his undying talent and the cards that give extra DR and speed for every charge you hold.
@@aouldolfakar5770 Why though? I'm new to paladins, but he doesn't seem that much different from Fernando for example. Both have a shield, damage and escape
@@ioannismavrogiannis151 Atlas shield has a long cooldown, he has hard time surviving the burst put on the point, but most and formost why atlas wouldnt work as a pointtank is with his abilities on cooldown atlas is just... Dead instantly
@@ioannismavrogiannis151 Fernando has a no cooldown shield with more heal on the shield with right loadout, whilst Atlas shield is temporary and has an almost 15 second cooldown. You'll understand these things as you play paladins more :D
It works better than if you tried to solo tank with any of the other champions on the list, except Makoa. With chronos 3, he can do a decent enough job, especially when the matches aren't too high-tier or sweaty. But for serious competitive play, best to off tank with him.
Probably none until he gets buffed more. I love torv, I use him all the time, but he is basically a weaker, less mobile version of Khan right now. That being said, I use him with a thanks grandpa and a nullify build and it works really well. Having short cool down on nullify lets me make short work of certain champs.
He works much better as an off tank. He's not actually durable enough to survive on point in most cases. Rewind is finicky to use properly and all it does is heal you so you can get bursted again, his shield lasts 5 seconds, is small or when it's big with temporal divide it has a massive cooldown. His right click is there for CC and doesn't help him survive. He's much more effective being a bully on the flank with his nasty pokes, fantastic control, self healing and clutch shield
I can agree with almost all but not Raum, Raum have a big hitbox and he is so easy to bully with cc.. just remove his movement and delete him.. Term an Nando off are way more better than him :D
It was hard to decide between putting Ash or Raum in the number 3 spot. Khan technically won the number 3 spot on the poll... as well as number 2, and number 1. Raum did not win any of the spots, and neither did Ash, but Raum consistently got about 10-14% of the vote on each of the rankings, while Ash got about 8-10%. Since I already put Ash on the point tanks list, I figured that Raum was simply the better choice here for this list. Especially since, in my personal opinion, Ash is a better point tank than off tank anyways.
@@AndrewChicken omg what?????? Ash can't point tank effectively into most point tanks, and even when she can it's not like she's good and definitely not being anywhere near as effective as she could be as an off tank.
in ranked I only pick off tanks unless I'm last pick and we need a healer. Otherwise I'm playing off tank. We have 2 tanks already? Sweet I love triple tank. We need a point tank?? No we don't, point tanks are overrated. I'm picking off tank.
I love that mentality. However, if you're playing double off tank you have to work together and play aggressive as a team, otherwise it doesn't work that well
not necessarily, but it could work depending on your and opponents team comp, also keep in mind playing raum as a solo point tank can be very aggravative depending on enemys pick, watch out for cripple.. i would only put 1-4 points in health csard u could also buy veteran, thats preference. im ALSO A RAUM PLAYER .. :D
Really bad tier list honestly. How can ash just go unmentioned. At least I don't have to worry about my main getting nerfed cause the community apparently thinks she's trash. And the fact that people just ignore Nando because "hE's a pOiNT tANk." Yes he is normally a point tank but that doesn't mean that aegis isn't so busted to just function better as an off tank s well better than a lot of the current off tanks rn.
Looks like you haven't watched my point tanks tier list, where both Ash and Fernando made it onto the list. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qDbzhdcjDDo.html Honestly, Fernando is a really bad off tank compared to the 5 on this list. His dps is garbage (450 dps), and his burst isn't too great either with his other two abilities. Certainly not on the same level as Makoa or Ruckus. Without Aegis, his shield is pretty average, and if you're off tanking with Aegis, then you're very capable of point tanking, and are more fitting on the point tanks list like I mentioned earlier. Ash is another one who's simply better as a point tank. Without Fortress Breaker, her shield is awkward to use, and her dps is the lowest in the front line class at just 444 dps. While she has her burst combo with shoulder bash, shoulder bash is one of the easiest things to counter because of its windup time. Any of the abundant cripples or stuns in the game will shut it down. And while you can definitely off tank and bully people with Fortress Breaker, if that's the case, you're definitely very capable of point tanking, and are more fitting on the point tanks list just like Fernando. Both Fernando and Ash are great tanks, don't get me wrong, but this is not the list for them.
@@AndrewChicken the thing about Nando, it's not about going out and getting kills, it's the absurd amount of space he can make in the off lane (hence him being able to off tank), that just allows his dps to have a much easier time controling the off lane. Nando has a ton of self sustain with the stupid recharge rate of the shield, and that combined with his dash reset when people shoot ur shield and healing 500 hps (at max level) I think it is when below a health threshold makes him extremely hard to kill and able to push hard in the off lane. That's why he still can out do a lot of the off tanks on this list.
@@burni988 Those exact qualities are what make him a fantastic point tank who belongs on my other list, not here. With Aegis, the sustain card, and dash reset, he's excellent at defending point, but can also make space for his team and push up like you've mentioned. And a lot of the off tanks I mentioned on this list can make space and ALSO get kills more effectively than Nando. Makoa, for example, is one of the burstiest tanks in the game, but can also buy some space with his huge dome shield. Atlas's wall can give his team 5 seconds of room to shoot freely while standing behind it, but he can also use his rewind and powerful weapon to secure kills. And obviously, Khan is just great. No argument required. Quite simply, I don't want to have repeat tanks on this second list. Ash and Fernando got their glory and recognition, and now I want to highlight other off tanks here. And even if I were to have repeats, neither of them would make this list anyways. I can see putting Ash if I had to, but DEFINITELY not Fernando.
@@AndrewChicken I get not wanting to put repeat tanks in but I definitely stand by Nando making a top 5 list for being an off tank if it was completely unbiased by not wanting to have repeats and not influenced by the community. It's not about being able to get kills it's about being effective at playing and making space in the off lane and Nando does just that. You're not supposed to be alone as an off tank anyway you're not relying on solo kill power to determine the strength of an off tank but Nando CAN solo kill some squishy targets with time cause he just outsustains them and kills them before they can kill him. Just cause he's probably better and is usually a point tank doesn't mean he's not a seriously strong off tank as well if he had to play that way
@@burni988 the thing is the off tanks in this list can also make space while being able to have good kill potential unlike nando, he simply does too little damage sure he can distract really well with great sustain but most off tanks in the list have great sustain too nando might have more sustain but he does a lot less dmg than the off tanks in the list while both off tanks in the list and nando giving a lot of space nando is simply way more valuable as a point tank than an off tank
Atlas is Very picked in high elo ranked, a Very difficult Champion with an insane skill kit. Ash is a god tank but don't have a god dps (the best strategy is the shield reset build that's good in mid
As I said in the video, this is with Storm of Bullets. At base, 190/.26 = 730 dps. With Storm of Bullets, (190*.75)/(.26*.6) = 913 (rounded down). The .75 application comes from the 25% reduced damage, and the .6 application comes from the 40% faster fire rate.
*sigh* if raum is number 3 and no ash atlas or khan yet (AND NOW I'M JUST REALISING THAT ONE OF THOSE ISN'T IN THE TOP 5!!!), I guess Nando isn't gonna be on there then. Disappointing. Just cause he's usually a point tank and probably suits that better doesn't mean that he can't out do most current off tanks just cause of how busted aegis is. Also the fact that yag isn't on this list. Raum has more counters than yag and yag has the highest winrate in the game.
I would like to see where you're getting the data for Yagorath having the highest winrate in the game, because I don't believe you. Almost every Yagorath player I've seen ends up feeding and losing, even experienced ones. She's just a bullet sponge who's easy to kill as long as you don't fight her alone. She has worse dps and range than Raum, both get shut down by cripples, it's extremely punishing to reposition as Yag, and Yagorath is one of the easiest champions to headshot because her head barely moves. If she wants to shoot at you, she's making herself very vulnerable if you're playing someone like Tyra or Talus, since her passive dr doesn't apply on headshots. Not to mention, Yagorath's ultimate is almost impossible to use successfully unless an enemy stupidly follows you into a hallway where it's just the two of you. Meanwhile, Raum's ultimate has no counters apart from resilience or using a movement ability to dodge it. It's much more usable and effective than Yag's.
@@burni988 At face value, the percentage is astonishing. However, you have to keep in mind how often she's been banned, and how few games have been played with her relatively speaking. She's been played almost 7 times less than Androxus, for example, and almost 6 times less than Tyra. Only the people who *really* know how to play Yagorath will play her in ranked, don't you think? And most likely, those circumstances were when her hardest counters (like Tyra) were banned. Yes, the percentage is impressive, but it's from a small sample size, and it's an even smaller sample size when you consider that this data is not considering casuals (the vast majority of games played, and where Yagorath can be countered to the fullest extent). A far more impressive statistic, at a quick glance, is Grover's winrate. I'm amazed that he can keep such a high winrate with 11,000+ games, and have an additional 4000+ bans. I guess that shows how nuts he is with Deep Roots.
