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Top 8 Games and Apps on the Oculus Quest to Show Your Friends and Family How Awesome VR is 

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Here are my top 8 VR games and applications to show all your friends and grandparents how you've been spending your time in VR. SPREAD the VR VIRUS!
Sports Scramble
Robo Recall
Bogo
Beat Saber
Vader Immortal
Super Hot
National-Geographic Explorer
First Contact
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@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 5 лет назад
Hey guys! Made an oopsie in the video when describing 6DOF. I said "six depths of field" instead of "six degrees of freedom". My bad! Wasn't paying attention. I'll do better! Thanks everyone, I am going to be trying out having a discord server for this little community, so join up! discord.gg/NjYvVPE
@jogugaga7121
@jogugaga7121 4 года назад
Proper apology right there.
@rorschach5510
@rorschach5510 4 года назад
didn't even notice tbh
@martin-iy5fr
@martin-iy5fr 4 года назад
You should talk about job simulator more, it's my favorite game I've tried.
@NerdiestGame
@NerdiestGame 5 лет назад
Showed my friend my Quest. She's an artist so obviously we spent quite awhile in Tilt Brush challenging each other to create cartoon characters from memory... She's saving for a Quest now herself.
@TheTrueXaver
@TheTrueXaver 4 года назад
That’d be extremely fun!!!
@Benjamin_Whitlock
@Benjamin_Whitlock 5 лет назад
I got showed vr by my friend last week and I ordered an oculus quest today because of it
@theenchanter407
@theenchanter407 5 лет назад
Obviously, because it’s YetAnother Human.
@axserwz5022
@axserwz5022 4 года назад
Wow I wish I had money on demand like that good for you😂
@emilvistisen7051
@emilvistisen7051 4 года назад
Same xD
@mikekara2811
@mikekara2811 4 года назад
Yo isn’t it weird how multiple people have had this experience (including me) like just think about it
@das7099
@das7099 4 года назад
You have money
@loaf_iii9558
@loaf_iii9558 5 лет назад
I want to blow my cousin's mind out of the water with an oculus quest, this man has never even heard of VR as a whole.
@jasonwillows5239
@jasonwillows5239 4 года назад
I'm so glad you said mind
@loaf_iii9558
@loaf_iii9558 4 года назад
@@jasonwillows5239 omfg LUL
@stijill
@stijill 5 лет назад
Sowing Coworkers VR. Last year I brought in my Windows MR along with my gaming laptop and thought this would be easy to setup at the office. It was but I was limited in showing my coworkers within the confines of my office and this was was somewhat disruptive. I literally shoving coworkers into my office avoiding the risk of them getting in trouble with HR. BUT last week when I unboxed the Quest at the office I was able to quickly setup/download and hop from cubical to cubical to the breakroom showing the Quest. And usually when asking them if they want to try it is "OH I tried VR at 6 flags bla bla bla.... it made me sick". But once I got one of them to try it everybody wanted a turn. And ones that bitched about getting sick well... "Wow... Oh my god... this is cool" (Job Simulator). Then I would say "Stand Up" "WHAT?" "Stand Up" " Whow...... I CAN SEE OVER THE CUBICLES". The fallowing week one of my coworkers bought a Quest for his son. The short story is he came home finding his wife watching a movie on floor on her back. She uses it more than her son.
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 5 лет назад
Dude! Showing new people VR is one of my favorite things to do ever. Their reaction is worth a million bucks. That's hilarious when they realized they could stand up and actually move!
@stijill
@stijill 5 лет назад
@@ThrillSeekerVR The standing up part just gives me goose bumps. When I see there reactions. just got to get around HR
@EmmsReality
@EmmsReality 5 лет назад
Love this comment. Spread the gospel.
@adenkhan5128
@adenkhan5128 5 лет назад
0:01 bold of you to assume i have a quest
@howshyper
@howshyper 4 года назад
Aden Khan lol
@C0NFUZED-yourmother
@C0NFUZED-yourmother 4 года назад
I’m not that poor (yes I am XD)
@waluigiisgod938
@waluigiisgod938 4 года назад
When I was up north this summer I brung my quest and showed my grandpa a “bait!” as he loves fishing, needless to say, he was amazed, and really enjoyed it
@Eunostos
@Eunostos 5 лет назад
I like my PSVR and Rift more than my Quest, but 'using it to spread the VR virus' describes the quest perfectly :D
@goon227
@goon227 4 года назад
Thank For Liking The PSVR More!
@owenchoweb6068
@owenchoweb6068 4 года назад
Psvr isnt that good imo
@liamturcotte9303
@liamturcotte9303 4 года назад
Ben Richards why do you like the Rift better? Doesn't it have worse tracking?
@DaSteamGeeks
@DaSteamGeeks 5 лет назад
Yet another great format for the video; high quality and that'll allow you to really grow your channel. Keep it up!
@jubbydubby8275
@jubbydubby8275 4 года назад
I'd also heavily reccomend 'Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes', it's an amazing short-round co-op game where you (or whoever is wearing the headset) have a bomb and have to difuse it (there'll be a bunch of modules on it that are each their own little puzzle), but someone that isn't wearing the headset has the bomb defusal manual (which can be acquired online the game's website) and basically, has to ask what the bomb holder sees and be the puzzle solver. It's great, I just got it yesterday and I got to watch my younger brother and a friend just absolutely shred one bomb after another. Better yet, it's one of the cheaper games.
@matthewsmith7947
@matthewsmith7947 5 лет назад
i took my Quest to work and a friend shes never tried VR before and was skeptical and i told her she will love Moss and i just put her into it from the start and she loved it and now wants a Quest herself and keeps asking when im taking back into work with me haha.
@ivyper_7334
@ivyper_7334 5 лет назад
*Richies plank experience* Edit: Imagine pushing them off the plank....
@leejrrocks5599
@leejrrocks5599 4 года назад
@@subscribe2dieinstantly728 heart attack chance increased to 60%, PTSD development 99%
@dallia5085
@dallia5085 4 года назад
I tried doing that to my friend lol
@memistcentral2044
@memistcentral2044 4 года назад
Its even better in real life!
@animationbyjacobs9734
@animationbyjacobs9734 4 года назад
yes
@joewayne9951
@joewayne9951 5 лет назад
Google earth Super hot Beat saber Space pirate trainer Table tennis pro Poker stars vr Ohh and of course the rec room
@EmmsReality
@EmmsReality 5 лет назад
How can i get google earth on Quest?
@place_holder2160
@place_holder2160 5 лет назад
@@EmmsReality Its called Wander
@EmmsReality
@EmmsReality 5 лет назад
namen't is it official download or a sidequest thing?
@place_holder2160
@place_holder2160 5 лет назад
@@EmmsReality It is on the oculus quest store
@thegodofvenom
@thegodofvenom 5 лет назад
Want them to add skyrim
@jasonwillows5239
@jasonwillows5239 4 года назад
I've had a rift for a while and one day one of my friends brought their oculus quest with them to my house. I was literally just in the menu screen for 5 minutes, I excused myself and left, then returned with a quest of my own like 10 minutes later. That was a good day.
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 4 года назад
That is such an awesome story, I love hearing how VR affects people like that
@matthewhill1377
@matthewhill1377 4 года назад
Jason Willows shame it’s a lie tho
@jasonwillows5239
@jasonwillows5239 4 года назад
@@matthewhill1377 How do you mean?
@GregGamesOfficial
@GregGamesOfficial 5 лет назад
I totally agree with all your picks, though that Beat Saber gameplay really made me cringe. Anyways, I am really surprised on how you have been making such good videos at this rate, good job.
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 5 лет назад
Lol! I knew my beatsaber gameplay would make you cringe. Teach me your ways. Btw, beatsaber with quests insight tracking wasn't great if you have to stretch your arms out far and quickly.
@EmmsReality
@EmmsReality 5 лет назад
@@ThrillSeekerVR yup its more wristy. E+ player from PSVR on Quest now and I can say its definitely a step down, but its one worth it for the portability and custom songs.
@Andrew-uq6vh
@Andrew-uq6vh 5 лет назад
your fnaf trap remix made me cringe lool
@GregGamesOfficial
@GregGamesOfficial 5 лет назад
we don't speak about that
@EdwardsNH
@EdwardsNH 4 года назад
@@EmmsReality I've only played Beat Saber on the Quest, so it's absolutely mind-blowing to me. I would by the Quest all over again, even if that was the only game I could play. It's the only game I can get my kids to play as well (22, 18, 14).
@Jess_Bishop
@Jess_Bishop 2 года назад
I saw this at my Costco and was intrigued. Bought it with not much knowledge of what it actually was. I’m amazed and have been absolutely loving it!!!
@billgraham4630
@billgraham4630 4 года назад
Love the quest it blows me away every time I'm in there, watching anything and everything best thing I've ever bought hands down!
@EricForPresident
@EricForPresident 5 лет назад
Good list! Was a little surprised to not see Space Pirate Trainer on there :P
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 5 лет назад
I definitely could have added it in, but I personally would spend my money on these other games if you're gonna pay.
@kingofslimes1190
@kingofslimes1190 4 года назад
I really like this video. I'm preparing for maybe getting a quest for Christmas and since its portable im looking at what's good to buy
@chaseelzinga4640
@chaseelzinga4640 4 года назад
I just got my quest and I love it. Beat Saber is great and also vrchat.
@fisherboialex7670
@fisherboialex7670 4 года назад
I can’t wait to get it I’m getting it next month
@nightdreamer2315
@nightdreamer2315 3 года назад
My oculus quest 2 is coming in the mail and I’m so hypeeee
@griffintube
@griffintube 5 лет назад
Love the vids
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 5 лет назад
Thanks man!
@billsherman5001
@billsherman5001 4 года назад
I love you vids keep up the good work😁
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 4 года назад
Thank you :) I will!
@snowfallvr4802
@snowfallvr4802 4 года назад
you should have more than 14K subs my dude
@opscav5062
@opscav5062 4 года назад
I have let about 15 or so people try Superhot, Beat Saber and Tilt Brush. Every single one of those people fell in love with the quest and a few went out and bought one.
@Avogeorgee
@Avogeorgee 5 лет назад
Nice list came from rift s review
@wambavocado
@wambavocado 4 года назад
My friends birthday was on 7th july and he received an oculus quest. Since then i started to save money for one and i finnaly have it! Cant wait to play with him!
@mightyjamesyoung
@mightyjamesyoung 5 лет назад
Very nice video. First Contact and Nat Geo are also my main go-to experiences for VR newbies. One minor correction, I believe you referred to 6 DoF as "depths of field" instead of "degrees of freedom" when talking about First Contact.
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 5 лет назад
Lol! I know, I can't believe I let that slip past reading just outline and editing. Big oops. Thanks though
@maxfighter7115
@maxfighter7115 4 года назад
I love VR!!! Me and my brother are saving our our money and if our plan works, I will get the VR by the end of October!
@tripledenis2180
@tripledenis2180 4 года назад
ThrillSeeker:No roaller coasters Me: *gets into vr because of roaller coasters* Also me: Reaility can be whatever i want
@Jenna_Talia
@Jenna_Talia 4 года назад
If someone's a meme lord and quite sociable then you can also show them VRchat. Hell, that game is fun despite social skills. There's also bigscreen for any cinephiles (I think that's the word) out there. Beatsaber might be a bit fast and vibrant for some, especially the old but I don't want to insult anybody's intelligence by warning them to not overwork Grandma Pheb.
@davidmotmoto8815
@davidmotmoto8815 4 года назад
I have a quest and I showed my grandma first contact and her favorite part was the butterflies
@BULLSEYEBERRY
@BULLSEYEBERRY 5 лет назад
I'll definitely have to check out National Geographic Explorer now. Not one I've paid much attention to.
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 5 лет назад
Dude it's awesome!
@noodlecup3
@noodlecup3 4 года назад
When I showed my brother Vader immortal he had a smile on his face the whole time and said woah at least 20 times
@JohnOLooney
@JohnOLooney 4 года назад
I just had my first try of my brothers VR today and now I have to get one - I was amazed. I’m a big PCGamer and have a really fantastic spec PC and I cannot decide between a PC based rift headset or the quest standalone
@blendernoob8993
@blendernoob8993 4 года назад
Get the quest b/c it has the cord they connects to your pc
@pacdunn
@pacdunn 2 года назад
back when your vocal range wasnt high, is cute, youve come very far
@Melki
@Melki 3 года назад
Thank you I want to show it to my parents
@azertyetbenito7662
@azertyetbenito7662 4 года назад
This video is better to watch if you have any friends to show games to
@fjerteman6827
@fjerteman6827 4 года назад
I’m saving up for a quest and i really hope I can get it
@christiandoodle6232
@christiandoodle6232 4 года назад
i have shown 4 ppl vr and 3 of them wanted to get it one of them already did get it and one of them said they would sell their playstation anyday to get the quest i've also shown my mom and she loved it and you wouldn't expect a mom to like a video game, vr is amazing.
@jamesrichardson8714
@jamesrichardson8714 4 года назад
I put my brother in law (he’s thirty) on dark days and he screamed so loud the neighbours thought we were getting robbed 😂😂😂
@josephsprague218
@josephsprague218 5 лет назад
i played robo recall in a best buy demo, and bought the quest as soon as it came out
@triple_tubers3314
@triple_tubers3314 4 года назад
My mom doesn't know what VR is so when she saw what I bought from best buy, she thought it was a new type of headphones or something cause it says headset in the quest title 😂
@TheTrueXaver
@TheTrueXaver 4 года назад
Omg you could do Netflix!!
@UberSynth
@UberSynth 5 лет назад
I think it should of been a light headset with a control box attached to your body for the processing power. That way it'll be light on your head for extended play, and it'll be upgradable to cope with the big games like lone echo. At the moment, it's too top heavy and you'll be moving it around and removing it of your face every 5 minutes. The immersion is good but motion sickness is horrible and you'll be laying down recovering from it. I've noticed I'm falling into a weird stare when I type on my phone keyboard missing keys and have to snap out of it to regain focus. I never felt that before I used the Quest. Anyway, it's no problem. I am on my second quest. I have the 128GB version, with the stuff loaded already on the device when you first switch it on, I had 109GB. If you're using side quest and loading movies like 3D movies or 1080p those can be 2GB each so if you're using it a lot like that with games, I'd recommend the 128GB version. I've had a bad pixel and my casting to my phone freezing after 5 seconds. It's uncomfortable for long usage. It's a good idea but to be light, it needs the processing power and gubbins in a separate box strapped to your body. The headset just needs its tracking cameras, its strap and obviously its screens. Put everything else in a small powerful upgradable box. You'd have more people enjoying VR then because VR is where games should be at now instead of the old fashioned 2D flat screen ways.
@colereed2370
@colereed2370 4 года назад
The quest is like how easy the Wii was it's so complicated but instantly understandable
@beuwm
@beuwm 4 года назад
Someone showed me a rollercoaster simulation 2 years ago now i have a quest ordered so i can get motion sickness again :)
@chrisperrywv
@chrisperrywv 4 года назад
I freaking LOVE super hot!
@EkinOC1
@EkinOC1 4 года назад
i let my friend borrow my quest because he a star wars fan, i have Vader immortal on it. when i came back for it we went to buy another quest for himself. also, i got one of those leather vr covers before he borrowed it and i ending up letting him keep one of those covers because there was so much sweat on it.
@youngdawn8670
@youngdawn8670 5 лет назад
When I get my quest my parents are gonna try to use it do gotta have all these
@EmmsReality
@EmmsReality 5 лет назад
saying near the end ... "The Quest or PC VR" as if PSVR wasn't the most successful VR platform, the most comfortable, and the most accessible/affordable. I own Quest and PSVR and the Quest is just amazing for room scale and no cords. PSVR is meat and potatos of my VR gaming. lots of multiplayer fun to be had on the PSN.
@fluffyspark798
@fluffyspark798 4 года назад
How many times can you play the tennis demo on the sports game?
@variscorvidae5283
@variscorvidae5283 4 года назад
gun club vr is also a pretty good intro title
@ethevr7146
@ethevr7146 4 года назад
Showed it To one of my dads buds, he’s now saving up for one
@monkeyballs188
@monkeyballs188 4 года назад
im getting a htc but ill try and find some of these games for it
@matthewhicks8523
@matthewhicks8523 4 года назад
Who else wants a quest for Christmas?
@kingsleyhitchcock
@kingsleyhitchcock 4 года назад
Me!
@realnicegamers8187
@realnicegamers8187 4 года назад
Played first contract and robo recall at a friend's house. Bought VR the next day. As soon as that thing goes on someone's head, there's no way they don't buy one.
@deaflat1119
@deaflat1119 5 лет назад
Bogo is a good one but trying to throw that stick never seems to work right for some reason.
@Picksol
@Picksol 4 года назад
I’ve watched every quest video with more than 200 views, and I just got enough for a go, a year ago, and I’m not close to quest, I REALLY WANT IT, XD
@ig-rd5923
@ig-rd5923 4 года назад
I got pulled into VR by space pirate trainer at a LAN party. I bought an oculus rift cv1 not long after. Edit: I accidentally wrote U instead of I lol.
@enzzo8627
@enzzo8627 4 года назад
A lot of people cant buy vr because they don't have the money for it, for example me
@lonelylama5222
@lonelylama5222 4 года назад
I’d say superhot is the best!
@deathcat5789
@deathcat5789 4 года назад
Sidelording is the best
@tjepting1
@tjepting1 5 лет назад
I much prefer First Steps to First Contact. Lol
@willobysheezel8660
@willobysheezel8660 4 года назад
I showed my grandparents riches plank experience today and they were scared out of the goddamn Mind
@redkiere7177
@redkiere7177 4 года назад
When My cousin showed me VR for the first time, I actually cried! I could not believe that I went from a normal room to a redwood forest in California!
@ethevr7146
@ethevr7146 4 года назад
AtomicKnight 743 was the game “The forest”
@redkiere7177
@redkiere7177 4 года назад
Yes it was
@unlimitedgames5160
@unlimitedgames5160 4 года назад
I play mine during lunch at school, always let people try it
@Just-A-Bit
@Just-A-Bit 4 года назад
I reccomend pistol whip
@thegamestop5005
@thegamestop5005 4 года назад
Me watching this as I am trying to get my dad to buy a quest. :))))
@tripplenipple1155
@tripplenipple1155 5 лет назад
1: megaton rainfall
@SquirtlePWN
@SquirtlePWN 4 года назад
You forgot about Space Pirate Trainer!
@Lonew0lfy
@Lonew0lfy 4 года назад
Is it bad that I recognized what song was being played in beatsaber before he showed the music
@griffintube
@griffintube 5 лет назад
What do you edit on
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 5 лет назад
Premiere pro!
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 4 года назад
@ShardRadio Its just what I use, works for me
@maddus_
@maddus_ 4 года назад
What about The Climb?
@m7solos35
@m7solos35 4 года назад
Vader Immortal comes with the quest
@Josh-ys4br
@Josh-ys4br 3 года назад
echo is why i purchased
@natasharayner2449
@natasharayner2449 5 лет назад
A mates boyfriend showed me the quest currently saving up for it
@zig8925
@zig8925 4 года назад
Nr. 1: Beat saber
@uyoa927
@uyoa927 4 года назад
I’m getting a oculus quest in October 18
@Gefus
@Gefus 4 года назад
The thing is that you need a chromecast to actually show them on a TV while you are playing
@DaveTechPCRepair
@DaveTechPCRepair 4 года назад
Thank you for this video. It boggles my mind that 43,716 people have seen this video and only 971 could be bothered to click thumbs up. Click that thumb on EVERY video you enjoy you lazy bastards lol
@psychosfl7336
@psychosfl7336 5 лет назад
Ehhh Richies plank experience
@frijoles3454
@frijoles3454 4 года назад
Slide to the left - - slide to the right - -
@skidamarink3614
@skidamarink3614 3 года назад
4:30 Wait.. I'm a star wars fan..
@christiandilly7039
@christiandilly7039 4 года назад
you should let them play good looking games
@HannahSueKim
@HannahSueKim 5 лет назад
I refunded SuperHot VR because I realized height matters. If anyone knows how to adjust the height settings if there are any. Please let me know. Thank you!
@tamisx2996
@tamisx2996 5 лет назад
did you put ur remote on the ground to show where the floor was so you can move around
@rorschach5510
@rorschach5510 4 года назад
why do the graphics look so much worse on the quest? is it that noticeable?
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 4 года назад
The graphics do look worse, but when you're actually playing it's really not that noticeable
@rorschach5510
@rorschach5510 4 года назад
@@ThrillSeekerVR good to hear.
@EdwardsNH
@EdwardsNH 4 года назад
Because it's a standalone device. Other VRs are tethered to a PC, and are running on a lot beefier hardware. Quest is using a mobile chipset...Qualcomm Snapdragon 835. And everything is in the headset, including, of course, the battery, so it's a lot heavier. Well worth the freedom of being untethered!
@rorschach5510
@rorschach5510 4 года назад
@@EdwardsNH yeah that makes sense
@YuJay
@YuJay 4 года назад
BeatSaber not being a Cross play game pisses me off! I own it on Steam and Oculus Store (Rift).. Their stupid twitter post about being unfair to Steam users is complete BS! People who buy it on Steam play it on Steam! People who buy it on Oculus play it on Oculus! And their other excuse about development time costs money only shows the lack of care they have for their game and "lets face it" was way more popular than that thought because of "MODS".. and asking $30 for it just too money grabby.. So unless it goes Crossplay. I won't be playing it on my Quest, same with SuperHot, no need for it not to be Cross Play and charging those prices for it.. :S I wonder if the High price with low sales VS low price and more sales is worth the trade off..
@hammythehamster5111
@hammythehamster5111 4 года назад
I looked at to many of these videos and I don’t even have a quest
@immortal2dohnuts
@immortal2dohnuts 4 года назад
Trying to get money for one sadly no job 😭
@SuperGamer-rr2ld
@SuperGamer-rr2ld 5 лет назад
Will someone buy me this
@pixellego4773
@pixellego4773 4 года назад
I showed my dad spider man far from home vr and the second he shot a web he fell over
@thestoopid
@thestoopid 4 года назад
Why did you download super hot for the fourth time
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 4 года назад
Flat, VR, Oculus store VR, then buying it again for the 4th time on the quest store since it's not a cross buy game
@thestoopid
@thestoopid 4 года назад
Shouldn’t you still have the game once you buy it on your oculus account?
@ThrillSeekerVR
@ThrillSeekerVR 4 года назад
Yeah but if you buy it on PC you have to buy it again for the quest. Some games are crossbuy, superhot is not
@thestoopid
@thestoopid 4 года назад
Oh ok thank you for that answer because I was thinking of getting the quest and Rift s and I don’t want to spend 60 dollars for Beat Saber 2 times
@jedigrandmaster6471
@jedigrandmaster6471 4 года назад
@@ThrillSeekerVR why buy it on steamvr (i assume) and then again on the oculus store? as far as i know you can play steamvr on oculus home
@backward9
@backward9 4 года назад
nba vr
@GOS345
@GOS345 4 года назад
I tried to show my parents VR, but they seem to not like it and say it causes eye damage.
@leejrrocks5599
@leejrrocks5599 4 года назад
Lol for real? Not surprised actually
@liamturcotte9303
@liamturcotte9303 4 года назад
GOS345 the eye damage thing is a myth because back then, TVs emitted radiation. When the color TVs came out, they had to be recalled because of it, and this is where the myth comes from.
@lukej0548
@lukej0548 4 года назад
Lmao light saber dojo is basically just a copy of the tutorial from the Kinect game
@jedigrandmaster6471
@jedigrandmaster6471 4 года назад
have you played it?
@rowdy7208
@rowdy7208 4 года назад
where i live there is a place where you can play vr without owning a headset
@memememegaming
@memememegaming 5 лет назад
Vrius
@Gennj
@Gennj 4 года назад
Ima put my gf on richies plank and shes never tried vr before (i think)
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