@Wayne Haile Those numbers are extremely exaggerated. It's not easy to make 2000hp out of a barra, it's not easy making 2000hp full stop. As for the NA barra bit, c'mon a Ferrari 812 has those numbers (588kw) 800hp plus a extra 2.5l and 6 more cylinders to work with, that's just a example to put into perspective that the ceiling for NA engines is much much lower than forced induction. Seriously there's no way it's possible to get those sort of numbers out of a NA without spending a shitload of money and pretty much taking all barra dna out of it or forced induction, and this is coming from a Ford fan.
LOL the idiot says "Off the line the Holden absolutely blew this thing into the weeds" I think maybe put someone in the F6 that can actually dive and launch it - these things are not slugs off the line we have one!
deluxeseventyone haha I agree. I think they might be a little Holden bias.. he stalled on the line in purpose I’d say.. I know for a fact that my f6 smashes VE r8s of the line and all round!! Him saying it has nothing at the start was bs
Had a straight 6 Ford Barra 2004 October build. Gave it away in 2017. Had around 220k on the clock. I abused the thing mercilessly from 100K onwards. No services what so ever. Put in oil when I heard the motor clicking a bit. Never changed the coolant or checked it's level. I only looked at the temp gauge to see if anything was going wrong. The thing I paid attention to was the fuel level, that is all. I would constantly accelerate from the traffic lights in a firm manner, with the occasional in anger boot to the floor, semi manual gear changes revving the engine around 5 to 6k on the tacho before changing and I suspect that was being actually a bit kind on the motor. Not a leak, not a cough, nor a hiccup in all her years of faithful service. The temperature was rock solid regardless of the outside temperature and I could sit in bumper to bumper traffic and watch the over priced European cars designed for Northern Eurpoean conditions die by the side of the road in the Australian summer but my engine would be burbling alone quite nicely, even with the AC pumping cold air goodness in my face. Can't fault the Barra for reliability when used in it's retail configuration.
Big fucking deal ya clowns. That makes up for all the years of unreliable buckets of shit like eb el ef with blown head gaskets collapsed ball joints outdated shit styling and woefully unbalanced underbaked crap does it. You’ve got nothing to brag about.
Im with ya man iv worked on cars for years and ford overall had the least problems in fact back in the day if you wanted a holden to keep going you put ford parts in it case and point top loaders and nine inch diffs.
Iv owned both cars and the f6 is by far a faster car..He had his eyes closed at the starting line!! These clowns are Holden biases for sure!! They had to make it look like an even race for all the holden fans.my stock f6 chops my mates VF SS REDLINE that has tune cams and exhaust!!!
I don't think it's pure Holden bias, I think they're just trying to make the show better by making it closer, for example in the drag race you can see the F6 overtook the Clubsport through the window of the Clubsport and this happened multiple times but everytime they got both of the vehicles in one shot the F6 was behind.
What you are so proud of an Aussie made engine finally made one what 2005 lmao and your like 20years behind the 8ball and also I'm pretty sure nissan help develope your ”all Aussie engine” lmao
This proves fuck all. Shit drivers leave way to many variables. The Ford is the only Aussie car there as Holden use american motors so you may aswell have a Skyline up against the Ford.
though actually the falcon has been a aussie designed and built car from 71-72 and the the 6 is the same except america used a version of it for another 10 years or some. the holden commodore is simple a Vauxhall Omega with a chevy motor commodore torana and monaro where all made in europe and imported here and bigger motors and slightly different tail ights and head lights
Stock standard the FG F6s put out approx 250-260rwkw depending on dyno, condition of the engine and other variables. They are a great engine, reliable, reasonably efficient for the power they put out and easy to mod. Tune only they put out 300rwkw ;) My 2010 F6 is still standard, my only problem is traction. Need some Japanese rubber :)
***** I am a proud F6 owner and used to have the G6E turbo in the past. I test drove just about everything you mentioned + then some and went back to the F6. Spend a few pennies on a few minor mods (process west muffler delete, high performance air box-filter, big mouth air intake & a flash tune + zf tune).. now producing 319 rwKw. Smash your foot down at 80klm/hr and you better pray you have your traction control on.
***** Agree not much difference between 0-100klm, but approx. 0.4 seconds qtr mile times. So not exactly a massive change... like you have just stepped off a barge and into a speed boat. Selling my G6ET an upgrading to an F6.. was around 9K difference.. chump change and a no brainer when you are getting a limited edition vehicle, stiffer suspension, brembo brake package, limited slip diff, larger turbo, cooler etc.. (+ they look a little more menacing) I was fortunate enough to buy one that also has the sat nav and 19" argent wheel
***** You are welcome.. I can't say that I am a one eyed ford or holden fan, both have brought out respectable cars in the past.. but the F6 is one that I have certainly grown to cherish. Yeah the BM's are very well appointed, and depending on what you want (the wife drives the X-5 with the kids).. they can be rather boring. If you are right, the new XR6T-sprint edition has most of the goodies of the F6, it would certainly be worth considering.. Happy shopping. Cheers
@hypersuperdude Agreed , that is a Corvette Engine in the HSV , While the Ford has the Aussie Turbo 6 , the ZF Auto is from Zachs in Germany. I've owned both , still have the F6 now , only tuned it and running 12's down the strip, Bang for Buck clearly goes to the Ford..
poor test- no stats, old mate cant launch f6 car off the line, then edited to show it gaining at warp speed! Scripted comments from the two clowns belong in the dark ages like push rods! lol
hahaha they say by the time the turbo kicks in ur exceeding the speed limit hahaha they dont know how to drive give the cars to some real drives and u will see that f6 smoke that clubby by far haha
His 'instant grunt' argument is relatively void. Maybe from idle at the lights yeah. Real world - mid gear acceleration and the F6 will walk away from the R8 just as it wound it in over the 400m. It's only off boost at low rpm, not mid gear where you would put use to the power in spirited driving. Hence why the original XR6T was so good. On paper 0-100 it was only a smidge quicker than an SS, but in real world tests it would put multiple car lengths on the SS coming out of corners etc.
" By the time we were reaching an interesting stage, we were going faster then any road your allowed too in Australia ". Lol, in other words the big turbo caught up easy, and if they kept on going it would of left the Holden in the dust....
Chabobox yup. Even the stupidly priced GTSR-W1 only makes 470kw. But considering today the GTSR-W1 is a $200-250k car and the F6 can be picked up for $30-50k it’s not really a fair comparison. Even then you drop a fraction of that massive price disparity into the F6 and the GTSR won’t touch the F6 in the 1/4mile.
been there done that yeah I pretty much agree, I was just pointing out the silliness in comparing stock for stock a car that’s 5X the price of the other. Like an F6 vs old mates made up KW GTS. The closest GTS to the power figure he was claiming is like easily 5X that of an F6 so just isn’t a fair comparison. But yeah as much as I love my fords the LS are definitely the better option for bigger power than the Barra.
I think Gm / Fords best offerings were down under. In the US we got absolute garbage for the most part. I also enjoyed Top Gear Australia, I found em just as enjoyable as the originals.
Meanwhile, what we have stale FWD cars that look like every other car on the road over here in america. Our fun Chevy vs ford cars died ages ago. Now we have a bloated disgrace to the Impala namesake and a bloated Taurus.
Everyone arguing about 2 amazing Aussie companies...soon we won't have anything left to argue about coz the retarded government is taking away our culture. I am not a Holden guy or a ford guy... IM AN AUSSIE CAR GUY AND I WOULD GLADLY TAKE A FALCON OR A COMMODORE OVER SOME SHIT SUPERCAR
Great Vid , Although i own a Typhoon , i still love the V8 note. I can get 7.5 lit / 100kms cruising at the speed limit without the turbo spooling. Check my vid >> " F6 Typhoon fuel economy crusing 110 Kmh "
These guys are the biggest tools out. Everyone knows the F6 eats anything Holden can produce alive. We know these guys work exactly how Wheels magazine and all that works...they get paid for favourable opinions. Fucking ridiculous.
i find it funny how when they compair the engines of the two cars they say how the clubbys motor is 'pure aussie muscle' when infact its a completely american motor made by chev? whilst the ford motor is completely australian designed, owned, and built. when it comes to true australiana i believe the ford should be re-considered
i dont get how they say before the turbo get busy but it reaches peak power at 1950rpm which would go passed the hsv like that he always didnt floor it in the ford he started so slow and late, also dont undrstand how the ford brakes are worse when the cars lighter and it has big ass brembos
@heeeeeeeyyyyyyyyy lol history in their blood?? what history nissan made history with r32 gtr and was know as the supercar killer the gtr made history holden did shit all hahaha
@Thebmwisthebest agreed keep traction control on and load it up to bring on boost the r8 would get flogged iv driven and worked on f6's as long as theyve been out and driven a couple r8s and the holdens feel super slow not to mention the tackiness that comes standard with commodores
I've had a few falcon inline 6's, very few problems. My current drive is an Au, the last of the single overhead cam engines, I've been very happy with it, and the car overall. I'd buy ford in the future because of my positive experience with the falcon.
@EweTubee It's a big four liter six with a turbo, there are plenty of far smaller turbocharged cars that are as quick or quicker than either the FPV or HSV that being said they are a lot lighter. I'd take the F6 over the HSV :)
GrandLastShadow Not this gen mate. And who gives a fuck? What are you guys all ricers or something? WOO V6 POWAAA!! JUST TERBO EET! YERRRR. Just stop. V6's are better left to the P plate girls. Also you guys still have the V6 top end curse. Above 100kmh I doubt it will still pull even with forced induction.
ReaLzEdits hahah, you're an idiot mate, first off, the r8, is, well obviously a v8, but, an f6, how the fuck is that ricey? Hondas are ricey.. An f6 would chop nearly any v8, especially poxy holdens.. You've obviously never been in one, haven't you...
Too bad Holden is leaving Australia just like ford and Mitsubishi, in 2017 Holden won't be Australian anymore it'll be made in America and Asia, which is sad cause Holden has been Australian for almost a century
Don't matter if you like FPV or HSV, this video is so sad too watch. We will never have two such cool cars that were both great competitors! I love my fords but have a soft spot for holdens
@sycova He probably didn't rev the engine just over 2000rpm while holding on the brakes on with his left foot before the drag's start. Having the revs aleardy up means the turbo kicks in much sooner, so you take off faster. If he had done it, then the F6 would be passing the HSV around the 200m mark and be more than a full car length in front by 400m.
The boss 290 v8s are terrible, however the 260s aren't too bad, because they're easy to supercharge, what with the lower compression ratio and all. That said the Holden v8s are nice, I would never own the v6s, but I almost bought the ss
I find it funny that the Holden only puts out 317 kw, and the Falcon is rated at 310. Which is BS, because my mate chucked his factory F6 on a dyno, and it put out 300rwkw. They had to use the 6 cylinder falcon because the Holden couldn't keep up with the v8 ;) Ford FTW!!!
They actually would of used the f6 because it is a very powerful i6 that could match the power of a 6.2 litre ford v8s are rubbish compared to holden ive even heard ford fans say that themselves. That saying holden v6s are a discrace an im a holden fan
i guarantee on the Australian market hsv shits on fpv sales,but its sad they will be gone,nothing like these cars,i love the hsv v8,nothing like the roar of an v8 i say
The Monaro/Commodore is only built in Oz, we Brits import it from Holden, Pontiac likewise until they were killed off. Ford has never been a Ferrari shareholder - in fact it was the aborted Ferrari takeover which led Ford to create the GT40 in revenge. Ferrari is part of Fiat, which also owns Maserati, Lancia, Alfa Romeo
Two racing drivers...yeah right... your at a circuit so what are the LAP TIMES! I Don’t care about burnouts... Australians in general focus way too much on engines power output...they Both have way more than enough, what about the rest of the car? Chassis, suspension, brakes, gearbox, diff, power delivery... WEIGHT!
@JustAwesomee 1 & 2 are true but 3 i have to say no to that one., German / French engineering cars are better performance and have better technology :)
Confusing drag race.. they are the same cars which had been used in other comparative videos and the F6 did not suffer that severe on take off. They are not loading them up, TC on is not going to help with getting power down either, all it does is create bogging down. On another note, I would have loved to have seen the British team when they came to Australia test drive the Turbo Falcon and to see their views on it. Obviously they have used the HSV on some of their feature events but sadly not one of the best bang for buck tuning engines Australia has given the world. (yanks are putting them in Fox body's and Mustangs for Christ sake)
HUGE bloody shame that these vehicles are no longer manufactured because of lack of sales why didn't they export their cars? The Australian car scene is a great example of what is wrong with this country why can so many other manufacturers survive but not ours? If it were not for all our natural resources and being taxed the limit this country would be a third world one everything looks fine but we pay a heavy price for everything in OZ.... end rant.
well sadly folks the v8 super cars for holden and ford have come to a bitter end with falcon being taken out of production sad state of affairs its always been friendly competition between the two manufacturers its now open to other brands of car to enter it will never be the same Ive owned fords and holdens and although I lean towards Holden they are both great manufacturers hail to the Australian iron Ford and Holden
yeh wankers if u ask me u even see the v6's gettin around with chev badges why not just leave it original? r they trying to say chev is better than holden when its all just really the same company lol? makes me laugh not because im not a holden fan but becoz stupid badges are such a ricer thing to do anyway. what kind of real man spends money on cosmetics. honda had something to do with the manufacturing of the ford 250 crossflow head, but do u see me wackin a big honda/mugen badge on my car lol
Oh the G8 wasn't based on a Holden Commodore at all, it is a Commodore full stop. Open the drivers door and read the sticker inside it. It quite clearly says 'Made in Australia by GM Holden'. That's not a base that's the same car with mirrored controls. I know I have had both. I have talked to GM dealers here about the once planned import of the Holden UTE. I have the materials here from both companies so I don't need a site that users can change details on. Enjoy being stupid.
Dude you need real facts. Your saying the VE was sold in the states prior to it being produced or even designed? You have said that its currently being sold as a 2012/13 Pontiac G8? There is no Pontiac. the label has been discontinued. You do know that the GM Holden division designed the car, transmission and power plant don't you? 1.3 billion of HOLDENS revenue went to the design, not Chevy anything. Stop trying to take Aussies stuff and give our UGG boots back.
v8 supercars dont count and before Lowndes and whincup went holden ford were smashin holden thats y they offered huge dollars to them both to go drive for em so they could win again, v8's in them are 5.0 litres anyway ya clown so does not represent road goin cars, xr6t and f6 will smash any factory holden r8 gts clubsport which ever one it is the fords smash em all over the road. knob jockey
hasnt the falcon been designed and built in australia for quite some time now after the discontinuation of the amercian version? and hasnt the ford inline 6 engine also been designed and manufactured in australia for quite some time now also? nothing non australian about that, its original history dont date back here but im sure for the last 40 years its all been local built and designed. its funny how they say pure aussie muscle wen its clearly not. im not bagging the engine just the claims
Are you kidding me? I have a standard non turbo falcon and it eats my older V8 like it was nothing! you'll be up for bucket loads trying to get a cheaper car more powerful, and then what? you continue to drive it even though you haven't strengthened the driveline to cope with the added power? or do you go and upgrade all that too? Both these cars have be designed with this in mind, you could easily buy the f6 and achieve 400kw with minor work, 500kw if you feel like going larger on the cam,
i know right, but a r35 is not a everyday car you can drive to the beach with your family right? yeah if i had to choose r35 or ford/HSV i go r35 but for how long will i drive it? till im 45 with 3 kids and a wife? plus no 20-30 year old will have the cash to buy a r35 unless parents buy it. Id know im 19..but yeah, a car you'd have all your life would be a holden or ford, not a two door r35..plus with the right money, i could make a hyundai getz beat a r35....lols any car and can beat any car
No!!! I've got a FG xr turbo goes like stink it is a certified drift machine very predictable awesome gearbox (auto) but the hsv is a far better car handling grip engine is awesome! auto box not as good as the ford. I wld trade the straight line speed of ford for presence of hsv on the road as for features list hsv again better! But it doesn't pile on speed like my turbo fastest bog stock car I've had scary on the wet!!!!!
@fifty1fifty74. Totally agree! The budget for this show is also embarrassing. Walkie talkies to coordinate the 'tests'! No proper timing gear used. Cop out commentary painfully delivered so as not to offend or reach a researched, considered conclusion - this is a promo for a declining Australian car industry. Crap, badly scripted journalism and even worse delivery / entertainment. Quit the bogan burn outs that only appeal to impressionable 15 year olds...unless that's your intended demogr
You do realise that the engines are reconditioned and if not they are often serviced and parts are replaced, you can do that with any car in order for it to reach 1 million kilometres. Also the police force not only replace the Holdens but they do with every other car manufacture when reaching a certain amount on Km. I have nothing against fords but for people to say that they are better than Holden without knowing any facts is just plain annoying.
Chrysler owns jeep and dodge, ford is the biggest shareholder of mazda and ferrari, the used to own ferrar but they bought themselves bak, holden is the biggest pile of shit, eg. Monaro is built in america, australia and england, in england it is called a vauxhall monaro, in america a pontiac gto, and australia a holden, holden put out on their commercials that their australian, and they have the guts for people to know (go to next comment)
Leo17453, in a ford fan, and the badges may look similar, but they werent copied, in the 70's ford and holden wanted to be the opposite of eachother, they wouldent be the same, just do ur research before u make comments on things u know little of, u are right bout the pontiac, chev, holden part, but I have to correct u on some things, those manafacturs are owned by a american company called general motors, or gm, they also own vauxhall in america, Chrysler is a diffrent company, So is ford
Unfortunately you'll never see a Ford Falcon or FPV F6 or GT variant in the US. The unions that have so much clout in Ford America prevent Ford selling anything that will compete with the Mustang or Taurus - as that may result in marginally fewer Mustangs or Taurus' being built. Even though the Falcon/FPV is such a better car than the Taurus and is nore practical than 2 door Mustangs. You'll see the Holdens back in the US when the exchange rate goes in the US's favour once again. Enjoy.
@oblvr8 list of good cars Holden have: The Monaro GTS (the s doesnt make any difference though, considering that they had copied ford's badge design and later had to change it) The Monaro CV8 The Pontiac Firebird (Pontiac was Holden in America, but they are no longer active) The new HSV GTS (again, copied Ford badge. In some ways it is good but in most it isn't) Now, let's see how much good cars Ford has...: The Mustang (including the GT500/350 variants and the Mach 1) The Cobra 427 The series
