Top Tier Has Become Bottom Tier With Seal Clubbing - War Thunder 

Before watching the video: this problem is extended to all jets from 8.3 and above. Wt needs clearly, isolated tiers of game for jets depending on their generation first of all, with br adjustments coming later. In no way a harrier should face a mig17, just to make an example.

I have found the the higher tiers for Ground much easier than say 3.7 BR. Lower BR is indeed more challenging, tons of hardened vets.

As a person who played war thunder for almost 3 years, getting a kill in top tier every 3 games is what I consider a good game

I bought my way into top tier years ago when I got the F11 to avoid the seal clubbers. I did poorly in jets, but I was much better in jets than in props. The issue is that the majority of the player base plays top tier, so the people playing low tier are those trying to grind up or those who have settled on a prop plane and have no desire to continue on. Those good prop players served as major gatekeepers that greatly slow progress for new players. What sucks most about this game is that building the skill and experience to actually beat those prop players doesn't really help you in the long run. Jets play so differently that you are pretty much playing a different game. The most efficient way to progress is to just buy a top tier tank or plan and learn how to play that. You'll do terrible at first, but you will actually learn the skills relevant to top tier, which is what you're probably shooting for anyways. You'll get the hang of it after a few weeks or months and really start to have fun.

I think one advantage about this is that when I as a player with over 10 days in ingame statistics in mostly jet fighters as I prefer jet combat, when using the F5C which is an aircraft that i love for what it is, I often get situations where players in tech tree planes deactivate their brain when fighting against me because they think that I have the F5C must mean I'm a noob. I have even had people start to randomly give me tips on things I already know in chat when I am the last person alive just because they assumed I didn't know shit because I was using a premium aircraft.

I lowkey feel the seal clubing and i grinded my way to the mig-17. Going from prop planes to jets is a very steep cliff in terms of skill

i got from the f4u to the f4j in 3 days so i am ready for the f14

I wonder if the jets who are constantly killing prop planes in custom battles are the ones who bought their way to top tier and got frustrated with AB and RB.

I took a 2 year break. Came back to top tier seal clubbing when it used to be quite challenging. Now we’re getting 10.0 premiums which ruins 11.0 which is my safe place from steam rolled teams. Hopefully we see a BR increase to 12 soon to escape the M1 AIM spam. I’m 65% in GRB and the amount of times I just say what the fuck are you doing during matches is ridiculous

at least u can get GE etc as a free player from selling event vehicles and playing competetive

i remember playing the italian low tier event plane in air RB just for a test, my team mates manage to got 2 kills and i got the rest, i felt so bad that i promissed to myself to not play low tiers ever again, then i finally got top tier tanks just to watch people get slammed in similiar way :/

I grinded up to 9.0 Japan with some premium along the way and I still have some difficulties with jet planes. The reason why it is especially hard for new players is that plane basic controls are horrendous and everyone needs to keybind and adapt what's better for them. That processes take hundreds of hours of adaptation. However, I do think Gaijin could have done a better job on the keybind controls. I do think that a game that needs manual keybind to be playable is simply poorly designed.

I've been noticing this a lot lately. My go-to, relaxation plane is the F-8E, which should be facing brutal matchmaking and is a very difficult plane to fly (without breaking it). I face tons of A-10 earlies, F-5Cs, A-5Cs, etc. I'm not great, but I'm great in that plane (if you ignore how often I break my own wings), and it's really just because I understand how things work. I never got an Ace til I got into top tier, because suddenly so many people just don't understand the strengths and weaknesses. I've also been playing rank 2 Air RB a lot lately, and that's actually way more competitive. Part of that is that there as some really wide gaps in capability (particularly climb rate) which aren't very well reflected in the BRs, so there are a lot of good seal clubbing planes in that tier. I've been flying the P-40C down there, which I consider a good plane, but it doesn't have any ridiculous advantages, and it can be a tough BR bracket because there are a lot of people flying their favorite planes down there, and they've been flying the same plane for years now. People in tier 2 actually know their manual engine controls, their perfect climb speeds, optimum altitude's etc. I mean, I know that my P-40C can match or exceed the maneuverability of a Bf 109 at 12,000 feet and 250 mph IAS, but there are a lot of players who know they can choke my engine out at 15,000 feet, or that I'll lose my agility advantage below 9,000. Many players in tier 2 know exactly which parts to aim for, and they can aim confidently with stealth rounds. Ironically, my BR 2.3 experience is a lot more competitive, because there are so many more really veteran players down there.

The whole "high level players shouldn't play low tier" thing is BS. For me personally the game stops being fun when you get to the tiers where thermals and laser range finders become common, so why would I waste my time playing in those tiers when I could actually enjoy myself playing lower to mid tiers. Also there's the fact that you might be grinding out a new tree or vehicle you haven't spaded. Or in my case often my ground tree is much higher than my air tree because I only fly out in GRB, and it's pointless taking out a 2.7 fighter into a 5.7 match where you will get shredded. So You make a 2.7 ground line up so that your aircraft is actually competitive while you spade it. There's plenty of reasons someone might prefer lower and middle tiers and at the end of the day it's no one else's business

Honestly when the new update come out I’m gonna be steering away from top tier USA, the squadron Abrams will probably have the same effect as the leopard 2PL and that sucks. Top tier is already a one and done fest but with the new buyable Abrams it will be so, so much worse. I will seek refuge in the French tech tree, the repair costs will scare away new players.

I bought the x-m1 and decided that I was gonna grind the get the abrams. In my opinion it was a really good purchase, it took me about 2 months casually grinding to get the m1 and another month of on and off playing to get the m1a2 (this was quite fast because I had premium). It took me about 150 games(about what you said) in the x-m1 to really get a feel for top tier but in my experience it was worth the struggle because I have a blast in the 9.0-11.0 br range now that I really know what I’m doing. For me nothing felt better than getting clapped and clapped game after game then get good enough to slap those people silly. Was worth the grind

Part of the problem is that even at BR 1 or 2, it's filled with level 100 players. I see 6-10 100s even at low tier. It's almost impossible to learn when you just die and not even know where it's from.

The solution is pretty easy to fix, SBMM. SBMM makes new players see "Oh, I can play whatever tank I want and not be destroyed every match."

This is 100% a very real problem. Far too often am I in a match where either I can't kill anything or I am in a 1v4 within 4 minutes of match start because one team had experienced players and one team had inexperienced players. Inexperienced players rarely have a solid grasp on any of the following items (Applying to Air-RB). -Energy management -How to use altitude -Weapons employment -Countermeasures employment -Knowledge of radar systems -Defensive flying -Positioning -Baiting & Teamplay -Fuel management -Ammo conservation & gunnery -Knowledge of your opponents and ally's aircraft & systems Every one of the items listed above plays an important part in someone's success as a pilot. Many think that TT Jets is purely RNG, yet make many more mistakes than those who they are facing. But they don't know they're making those mistakes. So players become angry and protest to gaijin to "fix" the game. Unfortunately, since this group of people tend to be the most vocal, those "fixes" end up being implemented, at the cost of requisite skill. It is in this sense the duty of the experienced players to inform and teach the inexperienced players. If nothing is taught, nothing good will come...

It is much easier to learn to play top tier that it is to grind it, Top tier tank RB has more in common with 1 BR AB than with 7.3BR RB, (because Lasers, Thermal, Darts and speed), the biggest thing they are missing is map knowledge, but the spots also change from BR to BR. I have seen people in all kinds of planes and tanks do stupid thing, like people in F-4J not launching any flares, when they had full load of them, but I have also seen people who were "just" level 20 who had only top tier matches (thanks to premium aircraft), and they were doing well, while I agree that it can lead to people quiting the game for good, I do thing it is necessary evil, because not everyone is interested in props (at least I was not, grinding through that was only pain for me) and if they buy jet and they have will to learn, they will be good top tier player long before anyone who will be grinding through the tree. Also some people quit because of the grind and this can help againts that. Sry for my bad english, I am not a native speaker

Started teaching my friend who is new to the game so we were playing rank 1 tanks. I noticed one guy was just massacring our team. I looked at his profile and what a shock he was lvl100. Between the bt5 and bt7 he had over 9000 kills... There is no way this should even be allowed especially at that br.

Back in the day I bought the Harrier GR.1 with no experience in jets. Fortunately I was a longtime flight sim enjoyer so I found myself in the top 5 pretty much every match. Completely annihilated the UK tech tree with that. Now that there's a premium Chally, my guilty pleasure tank, I can't wait to finish up the last few bits of the ground tree.

I don’t find air rb that much fun anymore

the problem is, that players like myself that almost exclusively play ground rb, want to unlock some CAS for all their lineups and the fastest way to do it is to pick the premium top tier plane that has a 560 rp booster. I just dont have time to play 30 air mqtches everyday as well as tanks

What's really unfair in WT is lvl 100 marshalls fighting lvl 37 majors like me. There should be matchmaking based on vehicle BR AND player experience.

when your playing 10.0 tanks and sitting next to a building repairing and watching 3 premium tanks literally drive right past you because they dont know how to use thermals or just havent developed the eyesight yet and then get angry in the chat when you "suddenly" behind them with a puma and wipe all 3 of them

Tbf: I have 4 nations at 11.0 but i still suck big time in top tier air rb lol

This is why I made Richthofen Air Academy for Sim in WT SB to help the new players especially those who wanted to be playing the top tiers already so that they would be trained on what and what not to do and also their survival to rtb safely. so that instead of letting them being killed by experienced players and suffer from it in my academy we can lessen that suffering by teaching them what are the right things to do.

This is exactly how I feel but in reverse, I can usually get top 5 in ground rb tanks, and am really decent in planes in ground rb attacking tanks and defending my self, but have absolutely no idea what I’m doing in air rb. I maybe get one kill per game, but it’s luck because I just don’t understand what I should be doing yet lol.

I had never played planes much but got the F-5C and it's been the best purchase I've had in warthunder. I hated props but absolutely love jets. Have over a 1.0 K/D with it but even the rare match I don't get a kill its just fun and more fast paced.

For some of use who come from another tank game were used to this scenario, but more than skill its just summed into 3 things: 1. Map Awareness ( i mean if you need to cap 2 to win dont you all go to the closest you dont need 10 ppl on that cap split up) another thing flanking dont bull rush into the enemy flank for gods sake. 2. Weak Spots - learn to identify them and shoot 3. Help your teammates shoot the same target if your near and pay attention to when an enemy fires you have that much time to fire back.

I did this with the A10. I bought it, I knew I wanted it. I refused to touch it until I had researched my way up to 9.7 or around that area. I hopped into the A-10 and I had some good games, some bad games. But I was content with the skill I was playing at since it would've been way way worse if I had just bought it and hopped in while I was still flying biplanes

As a player, new to the game for a second time( Downloaded it, got frustrated, deleted it),I can say without a doubt, the lower tiers are also full of seal clubbers. I mean this game has a brutal enough learning curve without having to get past the gatekeepers who delight in making "noobs" suffer like they did. The worst is the spawn campers since they dont even allow a chance at getting good since you are hosed upon entering the game. I am gonna give it another week or two but I honestly think the clubbers are going to get the better of me and once again it will be regulated to the dust bin, which is a shame since the game itself is so much more than WoT.

I bought the a-10 early when it was preorder(keep in mind I'm level 100 marshal) and I was playing it because I was grinding top tier jets and I figured it wouldn't hurt(and truthfully I just wanted the brrrt title). I was shocked at how bad many newb a-10 players were, but it made the matches funny because I knew how to play top tier matches and most people didnt expect the a-10 early to not be a seal. When you know what your doing, seal clubbers are actually kinda terrified of you from my experience. I have had matches where seal clubbers would go at me like a seal and I would be able to deal with them and then I would be practically left alone until no one else was left or we won the match. I do agree that this is a problem, but I wanted to share a bit of a funny side of it.

It is a problem. But I think a missed part is that a lot of folks just have no interest in WW2 props. There have been lots of games with a playstyle very close to war thunder with props. Some people just want to fly jets/drive MBTs. The amount of grind needed means those players can either burn out on the game from playing stuff they don't like.. or pay and burn out from the seal clubbing.

"Theyre either insane, wealthy, or being paid by gaijin" that just made my day right there

I bought myself the premium F-86 not too long ago, and I've honestly stopped using it (I'm rank 3). Its so enticing yet unplayable being a lower rank player with a top tier (mildly top tier) vehicle, I guess most people dont realise that warthunder has a very high skill curve. Oh well, when I eventually get to the tech tree F-86's I'll be glad I bought the premium.

So heres a thought. Yes people can tell who is newer or not by the planes they use but the big issue for me is that you can check other players profiles mid game. Kinda lame the good players can look and go "oh look that guy is new with that plane or he doesnt have a good winrate so im going to run him down first". Its frustrating for the enemy team to be able to see your stats/level then focus you. That annoyed me beyond hell as i was grinding my first trees. They should turn that off.

I will admit, I’ve bought a top tier jet twice. BUT I do as much research on them and their play style and practice with them. The only aircraft that I regret of the two is the Mig-21MF. I just can’t master it, but the Sea Vixen was a good choice for me. I am fairly experienced when it comes to aircraft and I already have the f-80 and are soon to get my first MBT (although I haven’t bought a top tier tank yet, nor plan to.)

whenever someone say top tier's becoming bottom tier I always think of 'Tonoight om bot'om Gear' Homond crashes a car, James saois Oh Cocke m8, and i smooke a blunt'

I've been in this game now at least five years and I've never purchased a premium vehicle. I'm not against it. I just haven't run out of challenges yet grinding through the regular tech trees. When I do, I'll probably buy some. But at my current pace, that's going to be a while. And thanks to the benevolence of Gaijin (bends knee and bows), I've been awarded at least 20 Talismans as battle trophies in one tech tree. So it's almost like my lineup is full of premium vehicles anyway. Keep up the good work. Your channel is helpful.

With all the toptier premium i'm pretty sure we reached a point where there is proportionally more experienced players in 2.7 3.7 than in 8.7 9.7 10.7 X)

I bought the XM-1 when I was 6.7 and got crushed hahahaha I realized that I should learn the maps, how to move and pay attention to the map and after months of mastering those things I can now play kinda goo the XM-1. I had to figure it out by myself and I totally agree with you that people should first learn the game, and than buy top tier premiums. I would even go as far as saying that you should only buy top tier premiums to grind other nations, not the one that you manually grinded.

I remember quite well when i got my Leopard 1, and started getting put in mostly 8.3 br battles. I had to relearn the entire game, as its a different beast, and a lot more difficult. I'd never recommend starting with a br10 tank to start the game. You'll only die, and never have a chance to learn.

im a level 78 with like 1500-2000 something games and I am still getting seal clubbed and I have grinded the American tech tree to around 7.7 ground and 8.7 air, and Gerrmany 6.0 ground and 4.0 air and then with Russia 10.0 Ground and 11.0 Air. this game has such a steep learning curve. when I was grinding through tech trees I mainly bought premium vehicles at the rank or 1 rank higher than what I was researching so I wasn't just thrown into top tier it took a while but now im there

Welcome to bottom tier mates. Today in bottom tier : I fly the English electric lightning at 9.3, Hammond uses a 500% booster and James commits arson.

I can speak from experience that buying your way up to a higher tier is the worst possible decision. I remember i bought my way only up to rank 5 air with the Sea Hawk Mk.100 when my highest was like 4.3. Needless to say it didn’t go well. But that is when i started the game and now i am much more experienced with the entirety of the German air tree spaded.

For Ground anyway, high tier does have some tech perks that makes some aspects of it a lot easier. Specifically vehicles with thermal optics. Older tanks have low magnification and it’s hard to see enemies hiding or using bushes (in RB/SB modes). Whereas with top tier tanks you have thermals and crazy zoom levels (not to mention instant laser rangefinders that automatically adjust elevation and controllable ATGMs) and if you play decently smart (don’t run around with your a$$ hanging out) you can have some good games and not have grinded your way to that BR.

i like these people. they make the grind easy. its so nice shooting a Mig-23 with a AIM-7F from 25km and the Mig just flies straight and gets hit.

I hate seeing people who buy high tier vehicles because they do terrible like you said but after a while they will get angry by dieing over and over making them quit this game is so much fun all you need to do is have patience

Top tier has always been bottom tier with stabilizers. I like that there are lots of new players to farm. It's great.

Honestly, I'd disagree about ground. Cause, while I'm not exactly a noob, I'm not a great player either, only having up to 5.7 br researched in ground vehicles. Yet after getting the BMP-2M (with squadron points, not GE), even with an incredibly scuffed lineup, I manage to do ok. Especially when squadded up with friends. Honestly, I'd say that top tier ground takes less skill than mid tier.

You are right about air RB, just today as an experienced air rb player, I’m grinding the US tree for the f-14 with my f-5c. It is rare in a match to find myself being below 2-3 kills. And a good 1/3 of those matches I’ve been getting 4-5 kill games. It is a pandemic of fresh players playing at high levels of play and making it extremely tough at times to get wins, most of the time I had to carry games. I often times called it reserve tier but with jets. P.S. I grinded an entire TT as a free to play player before I even purchased a top tier premium.

"Gaijin has kept his promise and we still dont have top tier premiums" that one did'nt age quite well

what I especially hate at those high br is that these people only have that one tank or plane in their line-up. So not only do they have no idea what they're doing and die fats, but once they're dead, they go back to the hangar and that's a teammate less for the rest of the game. SO many times i've played games were 2-3 mins in about 1/3 of the team is already gone bcs as soon as they die they leave the game bcs they have no other vehicle to play. And as the last vehicle used is still written in the scoreboard, you can definitely see if it was a premium or not

Nope you're correct, I was a seal yrs ago. Now I'm closer to a 50% to 60% win @ rank 4/5 in 6 tech trees...

Whenever I play my F5C i just play the mouse role. Get everyone to chase me while I dodge missiles etc. and pray my teammates take advantage. Im a OG at WT since (2012) so I’ve been flying a lot and know ppl lose to group up on a “easy” prey

Me at lvl 100 struggling to learn how to lead/aim the a10s cannon👀

sadly I used to be one of these players, but I persevered and now I'm nearing top tier. My main rule for people wanting to buy a premium is: only buy a premium if you are at that tier.

Top top tier needs it's silver lions sorted. Being destroyed cost more than taking out 3 targets

Lol it was so funny when people spent £60 on the Thunderbolt, and then complained after they realized they could be shot down easily.

After watching this video, I have to admitt Im looking forward to high tier fights now. I recently picked up the game again after a 4 year hiatus (you can thank the upcomming Tomcat update for that) and am currently grinding my way up the US techtree, currently derping around at Rank IV in my P-51D-5. Let me tell you, its a pain, nearly everyone and their mother can outfly, outrun or outgun me but Im slowly progressing to where I can actually keep a positive income balance. So yeah, being able to make some cheap kills in higher tiers does sound like it could make my life a little easier honestly. Im actually going to join your discord in hopes of finding someone to look over my gameplay and give me some pointers on where I could improve. I play mostly Air RB these days.

I have almost 3k hours and I took off in a jet once, looked behind me to see who I might hit as I lifted, and turned back around to find I am slamming into the ground. Wasn't my day, a distracted Denis some might say.

So, in War Thunder you do not really grind tanks, YOU GRIND CREWS. So many of the players in high tier will have max level crews. This means they get faster reloads, better maneuvering, better survivability, better detection (This means they see you first so your dead), better gun accuracy. So, if you buy a high tier to grind out low tier, you are going to learn what PAIN is all about. Also, low tier is very forgiving when you ride gets exploded you can still earn some crowns. High tier vehicles lose big coin if you do not do well. SO DO NOT DO IT.

I know it's a horrible way to spend ge but I think people don't care and as soon as they get enough convertible rp they rush to top tier through the tech tree. I did this with the US from rank 5 to 6 (I had rank 5 Sweden aviation rank 3 Germany aviation and tanks and Rank 5 America tanks and planes and im level 47 with 427.2 hours and a second old account with 50 more hours.) as I felt comfterable with my skill level as to not to ruin top tier. Back to my point I think convertible rp is a huge problem that is overlooked. Also don't underestimate all top tier premiums I got baited by a skilled player once lol

I know a lot of people will disagree but I view major changes in br as a completely different game. The amount of information that can be carried from bottom-mid tier to top tier is almost negligible. It plays so differently from ww2 to modern planes that I find it hard to use effective tactics that can be used in both tiers. Tanks is way different but only do to the map knowledge. Knowing a ww2 tanks weak spot is not going to help you in top tier. The main difference in both is speed. Higher br is faster in every way. It might be harder and more difficult to learn at a higher speed but if you want to play the game for modern vehicles the only thing you are is a noob learning a game. Just like someone who grinded the whole tree and is now getting destroyed their few first battles of modern.

Ive been playing WT since 2012, when tanks were closed beta, and its always been my "once-twice a week" game, full Free-to-Play. Now that i have some friends who play on high BR's, im investing more and more time. Ive reached my USSR up to 6.3 and Germans up to 5.7, its been hella slow. And i STILL feel like im not skilled enough to buy something higher than 7.0 since it starts getting different in there. AND IM NOT TALKING ABOUT PLANES, cause ive been on Arcade for almost 10 years, and the very first match in RB i did what? Ripped my wings off! So yes, thank you for your content, ive learned a lot. Considering just bying premuim on sales and working my way up top. As one said, "There are no shortcuts for becoming a Pirate King" >;D From Russia, with love

And now we have rank 7 premiums which are only a 0.4 BR tick from the top of top tier. Especially with the new rank 8s, players buying these new packs are going to get absolutely clobbered. I'm preordering the MiG-23 but I've flown top tier for 6 months or so now.

I want to give you many kudos for all of the many posts that I have taken time to enjoy. I am a noob and having spent a part of my life as an enlisted USAF fighter mechanic, "Nam Vet 2x, this game - it's really a simulator in my mind - . It certainly requires many months of devotion to be a devoted player. I do find myself frustrated by it bunches. I adapt to that by taking time outs, troll your posts and watch videos posted by other players who are skilled and worthy participants. I believe that the most important aspect of the game is learning maps, above all other skills, especially in GRB and GAB. Keep up the good werk, plz?!?

some days ago I decided to casually play J-7E for a while. To my surprise, US teams were getting absolutely wrecked, and it took me about 13 matches to die once. There’s something about Lv30s playing tomcat, like what the hell is with that. I’m not even a good player and was getting 2-3 kills per match, granted the PL-5Bs are amazing missiles, but the fact that nobody was paying attention to me, or even remotely anyone decided to launch a missile at me was incredibly ridiculous.

That's exactly how I felt like after playing Panzer 4 C after playing with my Panther Fs and Tiger 2s for a while. I think my craziest match i killed 15 tanks or something in arcade

From my experience grinding the russian trees, most tiers there is always 1-2 players per match that are 100 marshal with 55-65% win rate who usually have the most kills with 3-5 good team mates and 3-5 one death leavers/people who went 1/3. At top tier there is always that one dude with a 8 wheel vehicle that goes at 100kph rushing for spawn camp or sniping from a really unlikely spot 1 min into the match. This is mainly from a GR perspective.

The most pain is when you try to gring some tech tree up but matchmaking I flooded with premiums on your side and in the process you loose every single game

I call them "Nuggets" because of Ace Combat 5 and a line Captain Bartlett says in reference to him babysitting you and other rookie pilots. long ago tho, I made the mistake of buying the XM-1 and T-72AV (while on sale) because I played Armored Warfare and "knew the basics". after a few games of getting slaughtered, I decided to just return to my M4 sherman where I wasn't having fun either, but at least I'd get a kill from time to time. ironically, the only reason I got better with my Abrams was more so because I learned from youtube videos on real modern tank tactics and how they actually engage, then RU-vidrs with tips and tricks, and finally months later started to learn the maps. now my freebrams can do something before I suck and die at the middle of the leaderboards. lol

During grindig the ussr tank tree, i got the is6 , grinded my way with it to 7.7 br while playing other tech tree tanks as well. It was a huge help. Now that i'm stepping up to 8.0, I got the t72 av turms to help grind the rest of the line.

"Theres very few people that spend tons of money to use convertible RP to buy their way to the tech tree. They're either insane, wealthy, or paid by gaijin." Meanwhile me who's insane

All my matches in top tier (ground rb) is always me getting top score with 7-8 kills while my teammates are lvl 12 and played 3 matches, they drive in the middle of the open and dies once and leaves the game witch makes my team to always loose.

The biggest problem of this fucking game is you cant get to play any of the fun high tier shit without wasting years or paying.

too many lack the understanding of "paying your dues" they want instant top position and feel they are "too good" to be anything but at the top. this applies in many many things.

I bought my way into the russian tree with the turms. I did not do good the first 50 matches or so because i wasn't addapted to this BR. The problem i think is that the players are just one death leavers or teammates who just want to get a kill and don't really play the objective. I have now 800 games with my turms and my win rate is 30% with a 0.9 KD or so because you get clapped from the site or fueltank explode because there are no teammate who gives cover. The biggest problem is that everyone can purchase the premiums. A better way would be that you need a rank 4 tank to actually buy a rank 6 premium. But this is only one problem of 1000 with WT

trying to get into war thunder was horrendous in my case, it was quite the hastle to understand the game and how it worked. After enduring the torture and constantantly being seal clubbed. I just stopped. I knew from the start I won't be able to reach the modern vechs without putting many hours. This was in 2018 when it was easier to grind. But since the new econ changes, I feel bad for the newer people.

The friend who got me into warthunder played 7.7 regularly and enjoyed up tiering me to those BRs, some of the best fun I've ever had.

It’s a hard position for people like me who have zero interest in modern vehicles and don’t want to seal club. So yeah, I have over 1000 spawns each in the M4X, T-34X and the PzX, which means that I rarely have to use the gunner view to connect even a long shoot with those. That, coupled with map knowledge etc., does put newer players at a disadvantage. However, it’s not as if I have no counters as there are plenty of other experienced players at most BRs and plenty of opportunities for getting killed anyway. Frankly, I wouldn’t still play if I was in god mode. Plus, I do other things to reduce the seal clubbing; I never spawn camp in any form, I take out SPAA purely for AA and I repair, rescue and otherwise assist teammates whenever I can. Actually, this keeps things fun for me I don’t need to be #1 on the team, or on a winning team, to have a fun game. Plus, I’m not grinding anything anymore so I don’t need SL really. Basically, I see low BR seal clubbing is a choice. And even when someone chooses to seal club, you can take some of their mojo by watching them in replay and learning from them. I still do this. As for newbies playing high tier? If it isn’t obvious to them why this makes them a low cal source of SL I doubt they have the grit to grind to top tier anyway (not really a lost player).

I'm xbox player, played 10 yrs world of tanks. A brief flitation with WT, but intrest went when I saw how many obviously high skill long term players, dominated tank tiers 1 to 3 , many covered in bushes. I'm not intrested in air , again , too many low tier seal clubbers. I have 12 years of premium time on world of tanks and 240 premium tanks. Spent MUCH cash . I think WT is the superior game but its so hard to get crew skils, silver and RP and constant one sided slaughters of my team, these factors combined are stopping much enjoyment from the game, subsequently, I will not spend any money on this game to be seal clubbed in 99% of games I am in. My friend from world of tanks , also has the same problem, I never heard him shouting loosing his temper when we played world of tanks, in over 10 years. Less than 10 hours of war thunder ground AB in platoon with me and i didnt need a mic to hear hime swear and curse , he's in N Carolina and I'm in UK.

Welp, it'll only get worse with the M1A1 AIM. It's why I'm also taking the time to simply enjoy US top tier ground especially with the reduced rep cost on the M1A2. To be quite frank and honest, I am legit hoping the huge influx of people buying top ground premiums (with the release of the premium Chally 1 and Leopard 2A4) will sort of balance out the M1A1 AIM spam, allowing 10.7 to fight in more common downtiers. This is literally the best case scenario playing out in my head, tho it can also be worst case scenario because there'll be HEAT slinging stock AIMs fighting prems with instant sabot and thermals along with regular spaded opponents.

Yea and now the experienced players that have unlocked most tech trees are reverting from top tier and swapping out for Rank 1 or 2. That's where the funs at these days. Certainly for ground RB anyway.

Oh is that why F4s always turn with my F-5C? It's such an easy reversal kill

The community likes to blame the lack of knowledge of people buying top tier which you have actually seen evidence of but I've been fighting trying to grind my way through my first tank tree and have been absolutely slowed to a crawl at BR 7 with spawn camping and spawn camping CAS. I review my replays to see how people play and time and time again I see players who seem lost in a tank jumping into a plane and cleaning up. I have video of one person who angered a whole bunch of enemy with spawn camping and when we came for him he jumped into a bomber and bombed his own tank (and bailed out of the plane before the bombs hit) so he could score the kills of everyone around his now dead tank. A lot are doing things like this which requires limited knowledge of the maps or the tanks. Fun fact: I have video from a BR 1.0 match I fought (out of frustration with all the spawn camping CAS in BR 7) where there were 6 planes over my head just outside the spawn and I had no tanks in my lineup that could even shoot up. A level 100 got 15 kills in that match. You yourself celebrated using CAS to kill tanks, "for Free RP and SL" in your A-6E video. This is another cause of upper tier tank players who can't play tanks and makes perfect sense.

I can happily say I grinded USA for my first nation to top tier with only a premium account it took me many years after playin on and off but I got there, but it was the worst time of my life when I statrted playing for longer periods time super grinding... but I learned a lot, now I have USSR,GER,ISRAEL, and France at top tier. France is the most fun and stomps with their crazy reload speeds. But for people like me it is highly frustrating to get scrubs who have no idea what's going on and it ruins my game due to lack of help and to lack of teammate priorities and situational awareness. top tier you need to be fast and reactive as everyone has thermals and can see you even just the slightest

if anyone wants to buy premium .. just buy a tier 2 or 3 or at most tier 4 vehicle with a high RP and SL efficiency, for me I didn't buy any premium until I reached the 7.0 BR in USSR tree, and I started the US tree when I reached the 3.7 BR I bought the XP-55 kept it even through the 8.3 until I unlocked the A4E-Early, most of my premium Vehicles fall in the 1.3-7.0 BR except the turms - xm1 - g91r/4 - class 3p, and all of those I use them as support to my line up.

Thank god they ain’t adding a premium F14. That would mess up top tier even more.. Worst example i seen is a level 17/18 in a F4E. His stats were not exactly impressive. Can’t imagine the amount of GE he have spent

I can confirm this and realized this after buying the F5c when it was half off and getting curb stomped only managing to get 1 to 2 kills every 3 to 4 games and that I needed to take a break from jets and actually work my way up

As a noob (rank II highest vehicle) I think that the air rb problem is noobs not doing keybinds/having bad keybinds for their missiles meaning that they dogfight with much more experienced pilots.

Yeah there are FAR more noobs in top tier jets compared to say like 7.0-8.3. It kind of sad how clueless they normally are.

I’m a Top Tier America player. Personally I love the F-14, when I use it I get around 2 AIM-54 kills and one more missile or gun kill on average. I might be the ONLY noble player out there because I only go after “noobs” (F-5Cs and Other premiums) when the match is almost over. I enjoy getting my hands dirty, I enjoy the challenge, so I only really fight other “Top Dogs”

Idk how, but i got to halfway rank 3 britain in a couple of months while free to play, and then i just got myself a hunter fga.9 and it worked out really well, currently having fun with my fg.1 and jaguar gr1A

Honestly, I never understood why people who have a 30/180 K/D keep playing the game or at least keep playing at the top. you have no idea what you're doing, achieve nothing, yet people stick to it at top tier where they don't even know why they die instead of learning the ropes in the beginning. Or playing a different game, for that matter. Just feels so weird to me.

if a new player buys a top tier tank that's alright because you don't need skill for tanks because it's all angling and luck but for planes its a whole different story

I’ve been playing since February 17 of 2020. The first premium tank I bought was the XM1 GM, and this was after I got to rank 4 america. People called me stupid for buying it, yet I never regretted it. The purchase of a tank like that helped me understand what I would be seeing in war thunder. It helped me get used to the game and understand it’s mechanics. Around Christmas of 2020, I got my first top tier tank which was the M1A2. From then I just kept playing and advancing my knowledge and skills of this game that I seemingly fell in love with. I saw everything added, I played alongside these new vehicles premium and squadrons, I fought them and I noticed they are not so bad. In my eyes, squadron vehicles server their purpose. They give free to play players a chance to earn something that they worked for. Does it take time? Yes, is it worth it, well, yeah. I feel like premium and squadron vehicles will help new players learn how to play this game, and then too will be in the position as all of us. They will become smart and learn the game, they will understand what this game has to offer. I never saw a real issue with these premium vehicles. And on the bright side, people like me, these vehicles tend to bolster our lineups adding that extra vehicle that will potentially save a battle and earn us more XP and points. That’s my opinion however, but I understand the frustration of it.

Nice video, I did do the Cardinal sin of buying two High tier vehicles as a noob (been plying since start of May), but I made it my goal to only use these vehicles once I got to their tiers naturally and I have been seeing some success, it also helped my mate was giving me tips on how to fly the A5c at top tier, but if it wasn’t for the sales I wouldn’t of purchased either prems, currently grinding out the ZTZ59D1 and the F38-40 and I’ve been loving the game but cheers for the general advice love ya channel