I think the Subaru… I mean the Toyota bZ4e will be a sales success. That badge has a huge and loyal customer base. Besides Volkswagen sales are always a hit or miss in Americaland. I had to buy one, if I were forced to buy an EV… it would absolutely be the more conventional and Germanic ‘People’s Car’. Thanks for the video and your impressions.
Let us know about long term reliability. I really want to get one, but the costs and reliability is not proven. I don’t have a lot of extra money each month so repairs and hidden costs concern me.
Combine the features from these two vehicles and you’d have a compelling EV SUV worth considering. Passenger power seats, range, faster onboard charging, styling and price from VW. Then heated and ventilated front seats, rear heated seats, infrared heat along with the heat pump, infotainment controls and reliability from Toyota. The black cladding is so hideous on the BZ4X while the side styling cues are so nice and clean on the ID.4.
Most important feature incorrectly mentioned here is the USA Fed tax rebate. Toyota's $7500 EV rebates ends on Sept 30, 2022, will be halved $3750 until Mar 31, 2023, then halved again $1875 till it ends on Sept 2023. At the rate of production, very few people will qualify if Toyota can even release cars before end of Sept.
Fantastic and through comparison as usual. To me the deal killer with the Toyota is the lack of memory seating position for it's driver's seat and lack of power adjustment for the front passenger. These are ok for vehicles in the 80's but it's 2022 and to omit these basic but convenient features is ridiculous. Just on this alone, I would take the ID 4.
Once again, another top notch comparison review. I love the Toyota but I'll wait for prices to come down on the used market. Thanks for explaining why there's no glove box too. Also interesting about the Canada vs USA pricing! Base model in the US is more expensive (when you convert to Canadian dollars). Canada probably gets a stripped down model (L vs XLE as base). As hosts, you're super pleasing to listen to; so many other RU-vid reviewers are so hyped up & excited during the review. Whereas you're both calm & pleasant. Almost like getting advice from Mom & Dad. Love it.
An electric car specialist at VW here in Quebec told me its 24 month waiting list, but they are finishing the tennessee VW plant and will produce around 2500 cars a day, this will ramp up cars deliveries and since its in US, we will get them faster in Canada instead of getting them from Germany.
Good first effort by both of these manufacturers. The Toyota has a lot going for it, like brand reliability, but I dislike the black cladding, and not having a memory driver's seat is a deal-breaker for me. So I would probably go with the I.D.4, even with its quirky controls.
@Jean Toronto Raptors When there are two drivers, it is a real pain to adjust the seat and mirrors every time you switch drivers. Most cars at this price point have a memory driver's seat. Hope this isn't too hard for you to understand.
In the Netherlands the bz4x was considered the far better EV and car in axrecent test between the Id4 and Bz4x.... . Bz4x, more comfort, more efficient, better warranty and less costs.....
Toyota invested all it's money in Hybrids while VW invested everything into EVs post dieselgate and it shows. The Volkswagen is just a better EV overall. If you like Toyota, you could buy their Hybrids/prime. Toyota hides behind the slow charging by stating it is designed for longevity...EV buyers are people who will never own their car for 10 years xD, these are the people making solid money and will switch cars every gen.
I think the Toyota uses a different battery chemistry, lithium iron phosphate to go after the long life. Less energy dense but more durable. Your comments on charging speed may also be correct
the slow charging is a big issue for most buyers I think, if they had a great range then this would have not been an issue, it limits the ability of going on long trips. this whole thing about battery life is not as big of a deal, for most of the time people charge at home
I love these comparison videos. It provides a lot of validation as well as great counter thoughts. But like I said before, the ID.4 is still the best value EV you can buy.
@@factsmatter6980 again that is only one car, there are lots of other car mfg with similar or far worse. That was the old 2017 Kia with an air cooled battery (which was not actively cooled), and we have no idea how the orginal owner treated that battery, coudl have chared it to 100% everyday and lots of fast DC charging. I have also a 2019 but 30KWH the older models had 27KWH and different chemistry and has 54,000KM and less than 5% loss which is considered normal. I have always maintained my battery only charging to 80% and not lower than 10%and once every there months or so I do a charge to 100% the drive to 10% and back to 80% to re-calibrate my BMS (I am a electronics technician and I know my DC stuff). My 2020 has the same battery (SKI) as current E-Niro (64KWH) and the 2020 has active liquid cooled battery system, with heat scavenging and active heating and cooling like the EV6 and Ionic 5,
FYI. Level 2 charge rates are so slow that having 6.6kW vs 9.6kW or any other Level 2 charge rate is totally irrelevant with regard to battery life. Only differences in the DC fast charge rates are relevant.
@@ClaudioBarroso Not sure what you mean by the "rate for Batteries". Battery ENERGY stored is rated in Wh or kWh. kW/h (kilowatts per hour) is power per hour which doesn't really make sense. But the point is taken that way too many people in the EV space WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER are citing the incorrect units for power and energy and creating unnecessary confusion. For example, saying an EV has an 80 kW battery is like saying a gas/petrol car has a 107 hp gas tank.
I just got an ID4 AWD Pro S and I love the shifter, it's way easier than a round dial type shifter, people are always resistant to change, but it's fast and you don't have to look down to use it.
Depending on your height, the bZ4X display can be blocked because it doesn't move with the steering wheel. The id4 display moves with it. Something to consider depending on your height and wheel position preference.
I believe u said free charging for three years only 30 minutes in US, Not so With 3 years of unlimited charging across all Electrify America DC Fast charging stations at no additional cost after vehicle purchase and enrollment in US, also the 7500 tax credit will be gone est. sometime in May. I also wish the ID4 would come with HEAT PUMP, HUD, and 360 camera which the European version does, maybe the ones being built in Tennessee this year will have the missing items.
In Norway bz4x comes with 150kw quickcharger. In The fall it will come with 11kw onboard charger. The range for the top trim is 420km. And there will be 2 memory settings for drivers seat
Toyota AWD 63k.... ID4 AWD top trims 58k.... I'd buy the ID4 or buy an Audi Q4 progressiv for 65k. And if you don't care about being in a SUV oriented EV I'd get the EV6 AWD for 62k. And anybody looking at the Model 3, don't bother, get a BMW i4 40 or M50.
You can get the VW ID4 Pro AWD for $46k in the US, No sunroof, Cloth Seats, and no power rear hatch, but with the $7500 rebate and possibly some state money, it would be under $40k, no BEV with 300hp in AWD comes close to that price.
@@thomasklein4265 yes, the ID4, EV6, Q4, Ioniq 5, XC40 Recharge, Bolt all get 5k dollar rebate from our Federal gov't but the Teslas don't. The Tesla's base price is too expensive. The Toyota will also get the rebate. So here in Canada, it's buy anything but a Tesla. LOL
I've read several articles and reviews on id4 about grabby brakes at stopping. Wonder if the bz4x will have the same issue with the regen braking system.
The id4 doesn't have the same motor in front as in the rear... the front is a completely different type that can disengage so it just spins freely when not required to improve efficiency...
4:51 Not sure if charge point home charger installation is free of charge…I asked local Toyota dealerships about it, and they say it’s $699, which is also what it shows on the Toyota website…🤷🏻♀️
It is Bee- Zedd. Everywhere around the globe it is spoken as Zedd. Including in country of origin of "English" language. Thanks for correct pronunciation , showing SI units ( also used in most countries globally) and this much needed comparison.
i get it. but it just sounds more uniform to the rest of the alphabets’ pronunciations imo. like why don’t we call ‘c’ as “cedd” or ‘b’ as “bedd”, etc. then? lol
@@mikevaldes9831 Well what we like v/s what the language rules are two different things. I am not an expert on various rules, to know the reason. But "an" is used for words starting with vowels. I not necessarily like it, but that is how it is written in the language. From what I know ( this could be false rumour also), zedd was the norm. Until some poet or song writer used "zee" for some children rhyme. But for language it is better to follow the rules uniformly . All alphabets have different sounds and don't have to sound similar to other alphabets. That is why "J" is Jay and "T" is tee and "Z" is zedd.
That pronunciation comes from French, and since the UK was invaded by the Normans they brought their pronunciation in the education system. Most English letters have "EE" pronunciation, so Zee follows the norm. CEE, TEE, BEE, VEE, therefore ZEE. It has nothing to do with America, Canada or any other Geographical location you're at.
@@bmw803 That is good information. Good to know. I was saying that most regions pronounce it as Bee-Zedd including the country where English language is from. I think that to learn French I would mimic the France pronunciation, to learn German I would mimic Germany's pronunciation. And hence for English I would mimic the england's prnunciation
I’d4 brakes were way to spongey for me and the backseat was to uncomfortable in my opinion plus the ultra laggy Display still a year after launch and I just don’t think VW really put there all into it so I decided on the Toyota. The biggest criticism of it are really the amount of piano black which I agree with and the slow rate of fast charge which I disagree with.
C'mon, go measure it yourself. Id4 AWD has more than 8" ground clearance. Stop using the conflicting VW media info. VW media's ground clearance is the fully loaded to capacity minimum clearance. And Toyota uses the maximum clearance with zero load.
great video! I was looking hard at both vehicles. ultimately Toyota was too slow with production, so I reserved an ID4. Would have loved to stick with Toyota coming from a Prius C.
Excellent review of two fierce competitors -- I'm a previous VW owner, and value conscious, so I'll take an ID4. The styling of the BZ4X is just too bizarre for my taste.
Seems like the Toyota is not really made for long trips. The VW is better, but significantly less than the EV6/Ioniq 5. I also don't like Toyota's gauge cluster. Sure, VW's does not look great, but not as offensive. Much prefer to save money & weight and not get a power seat. Heated and vent seats seem like a much more important feature to have, though cloth seats could be sufficient in mild climates.
Kind of review u need to watch a few times. Lots of content. Wait. No glove box, no rear wiper? Toyota it snows here ya know. Great job to my fav west coasters.
I can't find any reasons why I should buy TOYOTA BZ4X EV.. 1. slow charging speed 2. low horse power 3. low efficiency 4. lowest top speed in this category 5. heavy weight 6. even not RWD base 7. so design?
I don't get Toyota. No one pedal driving and slow charging. I understand that faster charging is harder on the battery, but most of he time we're doing L2 charging at home. When I'm traveling, I want to be charged and on my way in under a half hour. The bZ is basically an entry-level town car.
I’d like to bring an element of the real world into this discussion. People might be inclined to think they can walk into a Toyota dealership and buy a RAV 4 prime and expect to be driving it in short order. Fact is, 3-4 years of wait with a $2500.00 deposit up front. Today, another Canadian brought that expectation to 5 years wait. How will delivery compare with the BZ4X? I’m thinking we might realistically expect warp drive in vehicles by then.
hello from Québec, I wanted to point out that you can get heated rear seat with the statement package on the I.D 4, wich is a must have over here in northern qc.
By the sound of packages and other things both vehicles sound like a start up but VW offer a lots of features is a good start tho. Awesome video Andrea! 👍🏻👍🏻☕️☕️🔌🔌
Interesting how in North America the Toyota ’T’ is a more valuable brand in terms of build quality, durability when compared to VW. Here in Europe it’s the other way around. Toyota’s are respected of course but the ‘German build quality’ thing still counts for something, although the stats don’t back that up.
It's because some VWs in North America were assembled in Mexico and probably a bunch of workers had a few shots of Tequila, therefore fucked shit up. Now people have a bad taste.
Seems to me that Toyota came in late to the party and underperformed compared to what's out there from charging, features and range standpoint. No question to me that the ID.4 wins this comparison
0:13: 🚗 The Toyota BZ4X and Volkswagen ID4 are compared, with the BZ4X offering more power, higher ground clearance, and a variety of drive modes. 4:28: ⚡ The video discusses the features and charging capabilities of the Toyota BZ4X and Volkswagen ID4 electric vehicles. 8:46: 🚗 Comparison between the Toyota BZ-4X and Volkswagen ID4 electric SUVs. 12:49: 💺 The video compares the Toyota BZ4X and the Volkswagen ID4, focusing on features, pricing, and availability. 16:29: 🚗 The video discusses the competition between the Toyota RAV4 Prime and the Volkswagen ID.4 electric vehicles, highlighting their production capacity and price points. Recap by Tammy AI
Not a fan of the BZ4X name and those ugly black accents around the wheel wells. I'm also a stickler for symmetry...and the lines going vertically towards the screen...just kind of juts out. Can't unsee it.
I think electric cars are great for the urban environment with daily driving distances of only a couple hundred km per day. Lots of charging stations available and easily charged at home. However for any long distance travelling EV's are not practical. Hydrogen fuel powered vehicles are the future for any small or large vehicles for long distance travel. You can easily top up in 5 minutes vs 30-40 minutes with a EV. In fact Ontario has just announce a new Hydrogen fuel production plant to be built in the Niagara region which could be running by 2024. Several more are planned in the province.
Good review, but you should check on the type of clearance figures given by the manufacturers before you state one is better than another. As pointed out by an earlier comment, they are in reality very close. Secondly, acceleration stats are useful, but how does the car handle emergency lane changes, curves, bumps and pavement joint strips? How quiet is the car in regard to tire, road and wind noise? How long are the seat cushions in the front seats, especially important for taller drivers? Thanks.
Does any of these offers cover for panoramic sunroof. The BZ4 looks like it has. How is the auto steering on freeway for these two cars? How is the charging network?
Considering batteries degrade over years , is that worth paying premium everybody is charging for EVs? I am going to keep my gas car for next 5 years. I want to switch over but there is lots of price gouging going on at this point.
Good point. GM just dropped their BOLT to sub 30K. Tax credits are over. otherwise they wont sell. Cant wait until other companies start using LFP batteries. Keep waiting. No rush.
I just finished watching your 2023 Palisade sneak peak video I’m most excited about for in the new Palisade is heated 3rd row seating in the Calligraphy trim Are you’s doing a sneak peak video on the Telluride it’s gotten so good updates including a different display and curve screens
At 3:15 you said VW will permit one-pedal driving in a future software update. I looked elsewhere for more information about that but struck out. Can you elaborate? Will the amount of regenerative braking be adjustable in software or does VW just mean that by taking ones foot off of the go pedal the car will slow to a complete stop (and not creep forward)?
