TP3: Lots of details and setup - No flying here 

TP3 intro video: bit.ly/2BdtIe1 Table of Contents: 00:43 - Why move to 3" and AUW 02:41 - The frame video: bit.ly/2LZ5NoY 03:20 - Motors 30:12 - Motor Kv 08:06 - 1303 vs 1204 11:35 - 2mm press fit props 13:48 - BetaFPV or NamelessRC 31:35 - Reliability of Beta vs Nameless 14:13 - Build/solder guide 15:07 - My preferred build 17:00 - Cameras 21:10 - TP3/Micro formula for performance 26:36 - 1S 3" quad TP3 Frame: bit.ly/2OjpGZt 1303 Motor: bit.ly/2O7gc35 1204 Motor: bit.ly/2O7gGpV 3018 Prop: bit.ly/2OfK2Cu BetaFPV AIO: bit.ly/308ZZ4V NamelessRC AIO: bit.ly/30aNJRd Batteries, canopies, new different props and cameras are coming soon to the store. Been working really hard on which would be best options. Recommended 450mah 3S: bit.ly/2krhKbW Recommended 450mah 2S: bit.ly/2lW3JTW My preferred FPV cam is still this particular version of the Whoop cam as a standalone. It's what I used for most of this video. Let me know if you want us to stock this camera. I feel like I'm in the minority that likes this camera over any Nano cam. This camera will NOT fit the BeeBrain V2 mount unfortunately. The board is about 15mm wide and 13mm tall. bit.ly/2mhxaQp Also the Vtx/DVR I'm using. It works alright but not perfect. It's a happymodel product so it has reliability issues. I have two companies working on a new version. bit.ly/2lSn20p Tiny's LEDs: bit.ly/2MkvjE0 I'm going to start sending all the stuff on my channel randomly to my Patreons: bit.ly/2oGLP9b ▼Join my FB group for more discussion: Kabab FPV facebook.com/groups/379155946182689/ ▼ My typical 5" quad setup: -Hyperlite Glide Floss (will be re-released soon) -Motor 1750kv/ESC combo: bit.ly/2XAEHXH -WaFL’s Cap Cap: bit.ly/2GUpXxO -Battery: bit.ly/2ZoW2rq -FC: bit.ly/2XRc8G8 -FPV Cam: bit.ly/2Q7LfL7 -Vtx: bit.ly/2HsrASs -ND GoPro Mount 30deg: bit.ly/2WC15zc -ND Filter (if used): bit.ly/2WEmQ1j ▼My preferred goggles as of Sept 2019 bit.ly/2k5YNv5 ▼Notable motors: -Xing 2306: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -Xing 2208: bit.ly/2y3te8R -FANTASTIC 6" motor: bit.ly/2LqghOZ ▼ 5" Sub $200 build that's still good -Frame: goo.gl/EpXQhZ -FC/4in1 Stack: goo.gl/HprVbj -Motors: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -Props: bit.ly/2TUQsIg -FPV Cam: goo.gl/FDJhYw -Vtx: bit.ly/2NnO2Au -Starter goggles: bit.ly/2Mw0yNS -Batt pad material: bit.ly/2QGWhYb ▼ If you want to solder better: -Fantastic solder: amzn.to/2P5QM2W -Fantastic iron: goo.gl/DqBipa ▼ Lighting equipment: -Ring light: bit.ly/2ODSg9A -Panel light: bit.ly/2KmDApP -Power adapter: bit.ly/2YD5jHT -Tripod: bit.ly/2MDsMX2 -Mini tripod: bit.ly/2MGL4Hf ▼ Tips? Patreon: bit.ly/2oGLP9b -PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv -Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ -Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f -ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 -LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG -Tesla Referal code: ts.la/bob40889 Please use my referral code if you're gonna buy a Tesla. You get some free stuff when you do and I get better status with Tesla.

Me: Kabab: *talks for half an hour* Me: :)

Hey Bob, about a build video, you don't need to make it if you don't want to. You can send a frame for someone to make a build video for you. Someone like AndyRC, who knows. 😊 I'm getting back to RU-vid... And I'm starting to make videos both in Portuguese and English... But I have LOTS of videos to edit and so on... And you already sent a frame for Andy if I'm not mistaken. 😊

“Going fast isn’t everything” As I get older, I resemble this statement more and more;-) Thanks Bob, lovin’ my TP3! Happy flying my FPV Brothers and Sisters!

34 mins, shut up and take my time boi ♥️♥️♥️

I’m absolutely fine watching you talk, I love just hearing you talk about stuff in general

TP5 here we come! Interesting discussion as always.

So much useful information packed in here! This is one of the most interesting parts of the hobby. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with us. I am super excited about the 5" toothpick. I have been wanting to do a build like that, but have not been able to get to that yet.

I love your insights from hours of experience with the motors. No one else tells me things accurately like "Tends to race through the lower rpms giving you less low end control." etc. This is valuable stuff that motor companies and drone companies have not captured and shared before. Thanks dood. (And I guess this explains why I suddenly couldn't find that FC available. ;)

Awesome video!! I can’t wait for what’s coming in the future, sooo exciting!!

i could sit and listen to all your stuff for hours, love it man. Also,i built a toothpick recently,about two weeks ago...using your frame with 1103 AmaxInno 7500kv runnig the HQ65T prop on 3S with the namelessRC board, the 410T i believe. Been great so far, no issues seems to have great consistency as far as esc performance too. Quite happy with it as of now anyway.

Yes yes, love these long rants.

Keep up the good work love to build ,all your designs are amazing

Tha ks for the info! I just picked up parts from fpvcycle and i cant wait to put it together!

Very good video. You hit the nail on the head speaking on the importance of factors in 1s and the limitations. In my opinion.

Really truly love your unbiased content and it’s really obvious that you do this out of passion. Thanks for all your testing so that we can save money and time. Aloha from Oahu!👍🏽🤙🏽😃

Awsome info as always im rockin bolth beta and nameless and so far solid keep up the awsome work love all your products

Just bought three TP3 frames!!! In stock now! 👍🏽 I

Thanks.I love the info on 3 inch and smaller.They are great for flying aroung the park with out getting hassled unlike a noisey 5 inch.

I was going to make a video on my testing with these things and I agree on everything you say here based on my own testing. And it’s really cool that you are making this 3” 1s because it was a brain storm idea I had and will try after I got sent a pair of 1103 11000kv motors by mistake. Always look forward to your videos 😎😎 thanks for all the info

finally got to order that TP3. Really like the BETAfpv toothpick AOI and the AMAX 1303 with both HQ and Gemfan props all waiting a frame. so glad you have got stock shame I have to go with cheapest shipping. Amazing infomation as always.

I'm using the pickle /cube printed canopy and it has been working out well. I like that it has standard antenna tube mounts and a place for a crossfire antenna.

Finally. I've been waiting on the motors to come in stock. Thanks!

Just got another set of 1303s still waiting on my others from amax but finally got the tp3 frame so happy i got two

I'm all in for the toothpick 5! I'll be getting the toothpick 3 as soon as the 1303 restock!

I always learn so much here 😊👍

Great dratils regarding the tiny quad. I plan to buy the kits to build them in my @droneinterestgroup classes.

I love the Kabab science! It might not be entirely correct but damn well works

Those crows were krackin me up😂 I jus knew you weren't gonna be able to talk through that ruckus!!

Can't wait for the 1S flight.

Like these types of vids (but I still love your flying more)

Thanks love your product I will buy some spare arms and a couple frames Thanks for the info

Cant wait for the TP5 =D

I bet the ribbed bell does make a cooling difference, more surface area, just like a heat sink. Love the work here, pls don't stop :)

Helpful - Thank You!

I am waiting with much excitement for the Babytooth motors and some canopies. I will order the remaining parts as they pop up in the inventory. This winter will be rather exciting, I might be able to start building late Autumn....

Absolutely brilliant content. Just received my order of 2x baby tooth frames 👍

i also like that your picky to just keep doing what your doing thank s man

Just ordered your tp3!

Yes definitely stock that camera!

LOL, I got so exited that the motors were in stock that I ordered them and some 3018 props... It then dawned on me to check and see and the frame was available again, duh... place a second order for it and the Beta AIO. Wohoo!! Waiting by the mailbox:)

ive tried whoop cameras runcam nano and everything, if you are a night time flyer nothing beats the high end nano cameras like racer or predator nano. with those cameras you can fly spots that would be unflyable with most other cheap cameras, its really worth the extra 2 grams.

Love the concept. I am located in Sweden, though, so shipping would probably get very expensive.

Yes a build video

Gday Bob, great info i think you are doing and have done great things for toothpicks and micros alike, the canopy from the eachine micro has a screw mounted fpv camera and your two cameras dont have screw mount holes, would i make that much difference to fit a nano camera like a runcam nano and a light weight vtx if your running a 3s, thank you for your vlogs mate.👍🛸🇦🇺

Hi received, „The flight controller with your name on it 😉“ Works & flies really great! When is the next batch with BlHeli_32? 🤔 Have upgraded the BlHeli-S to Jazz-Maverick. Sounds upgraded now too 😉 Best wishes & take care 🤓😉😘

I'm not even sure I want to watch this lol everytime a tp3 video comes out I spend money hahaha thanks bob!!

Btw bob the shipping on fpv cycle is amazing! Idk who runs the shipping side but they are doing a good job

@Kababfpv do you need a capacitor on your lead on the nameless board?

So I'm kind of confused where you got those numbers for the area of the disk. Area is calculated as (pi* (r^2)), so in the case of 1 inch props, I got (0.5^2)* pi = .785in^2. Multiplied by the four props, we get 3.14 (or pi) in^2, which does not agree with the '12.6' for the 1-inch prop shown in the video. The same can be seen with 2.5 and 3 inch, where I got (1.25^2)*pi = 4.91in^2 and (1.5^2)*pi = 7.07 in^2 respectively. If we multiply both of these by 4, we get 19.6 in^2 and 28.3 in^2 for 2.5 and 3 inch props (4 props). I also calculated the 'percent more disk area', based on your numbers, and got similar numbers. Also, when I calculate it with the A = (pi) * (r^2) formula for 1 prop, I get pretty much the exact percentage differences that you got. The only discrepancies that I got were within

TP5.. omg.. u r moving tat fast.. bob.. tats great.. can wait for tat..

Regarding the 1S toothpick, there's some pretty lightweight all in one 200mw whoop cameras out there now. I use one from AKK from amazon on my 38g 2S 2.5inch Primo build and it's great. I have the crazybee board with spi reciever. Also, I bet we'll be seeing ever smaller 200mw AIO whoop cameras soon at the rate things are shrinking.

Since you have tested so many motors... there is still one you missed, although it's around for a very long time. I'm talking about the good old Brotherhobby Returner 1402 8100kv. I run these on a very light weight (80g) 3 inch build (Komori frame and HGLRC Zeus) on gemfan 3025 props and i absolutely love this combination on 450/550mah 3S. On top of that these motors are very durable - i bashed the heck out of this quad for at leat 1 1/2 years now and not one of these motors ever failed on me!

That ribbing probably gives the outside of the bell something like 50% more surface area so I'd imagine it would help cooling a decent amount.

About to watch, hope he mentions 3” 1s 🤞🏻

Geat video and a lot of very usefull info about the toothpick. At the end of the video you talked about motor KV but you only mentioned 3S. Would you be so kind and recommend motor KV for 2S power train? Thanks!

I finished my babytooth last week.. I FINALLY got it to stop wobbling, and it’s flying rock solid.. So like 30 minutes ago was my first real rip outside.. I am in disbelief of just how fast, and nimble it is.. I can decide at the very last second to make a hard right turn, and dip under the trees. No matter how late I start the turn I can make it, and make the dip no problem... It has supernatural FPV flight abilities.. I’m not kidding.. If you haven’t built one yet.. DO IT RIGHT NOW!!!!

I'm grabbing a TP3 asap. Hopefully you get those sweet mint green motors in stock soon!

Hey KabobFpv, did you ever try those Brotherhobby 1402 motors? I'm curious what battery you might choose if you built the tp3 with 9100kv 1402.

i loved your toothpick guides on the kababfpv site, and maybe there is a chance to get a tp3 BF setup guide ;)

Could you make a video with your betaflight setup tips for these? I'm not that great at bf and have a hard time getting my built toothpicks to fly well. I know that there are a lot of variables but a general guide would be really helpful.

Hey, i am planning to build this with the Runcam Hybrid 2. Would you recommend it, or do you think that the camera size and weight would compromise the advantages of the TP3 ? My main concern is finding a good and large enough Canopy for the weird sized Hybrid 2. Any tips?

Thinner rotors (the bell) are more efficient at higher speeds because they have less rotational inertia than wider ones. But you sacrifice torque and therefore control. This is why the 1105 are more efficient. Rotational inertia goes up with the square of the radius and linearly with the height while torque goes up linearly with both the radius and the height. For the same height, a 12-wide stator have 19% more rotational inertia than an 11-wide but it only has 9% more torque (which is actually power if we consider the same rpm, and 9% is a lot). (6mm radius x 5.5mm radius).

Hey Kabab, really looking forward to Your Toothpick 5. Recently I was trying to build an ultralight long range 5" quad and could not find too many 30g frames. Also found out that VERY OLD 1806 2280kv Tarot (LoL) motors are the best I can get. Not for You I guess as they are more effective than responsive but I can get a hover on 4Amps (with 5" BiBlades). At Cruise about 6.7A and flight times for cruising up to 24 minutes on 2500mAh 18650 LiIon battery. Looking Forward to Your build as You have excellent ideas. Cheers.

hey, interesting to hear that youre working on a DVR... thought about the diamond vtx/DVR, do you have any idea when yours will be available?

Gotta agree with you on the difference between the aio boards and a 16x16 stack. Did a direct comparison a cpl days ago. Same frame, motors, cam, vtx, rx the only diff was one had the betafpv toothpick board and one the iflight 16x16. You could tell a diff between the two. The one with the aio board just responded way better in the air. The 16x16 felt kind weird when trying to do flips and such. I guess the height of the stack made the difference, I donno but everyone agreed the aio board felt better.

Hey Bob.... are you guys going to be staying with the 1s platform? If so I was wondering if you guys are going to be making a board for it or at the very leas lay down the usb port and lay down the plugs for the motors. Again.... loving the micro's as it is opening more option with clubs and flying around our neighborhoods. Another thing.... as a new pilot you are so right on control. We have a quad with 1105 5000kv motors and they are so fast and want to get away from us and not cut corners like I see other quads do in the 3 inch platform. lol... and if you put out a 3" bnf 1s quad.... you will be taking my money..... I have to buy for two.... me and the kid.

Newbeedrone has a new mount coming out similar to that v2 but it holds 14x14 cameras like the runcam nano 2

I dont have a TP3 but I still watch every video and dream about one xD

Just ordered TP3. Wanna run 2S 450/550mah and have some hglrc 1104-7500kv that I haven't used, so thought it might be a good match? Would you go for 1105 or 1303 for 2S or would it be near the same performance? Wanna go for the new betafpv 20a board and crossfire + unify pro32 to make to semi long range.

This is the question that I asked; I have the Sailfly x kit, and I only want to build it with good parts which one of these boards, motors, canopy and Cam do you recommend for it, or direct me to one of your fabulous builds with the Sailfly x ...Thanks for sharing!

Sweet

Hey man thanks, God bless you! I want a 1mm frame, do I have to wait or it’s uncertain when FPV Cycle will stock them and 1.5mm is also okay? Just want to follow your idea of minimal weight 🤓

I love the idea of a 5" toothpick edit: what prop are you planning to run? something new?

I'd love to see a nice light/strong canopy that has a clean way to mount diversity receiver antennas instead of having to zip tie to the arms.

The inverted tab for sbus on my board is dead. Can’t get it to communicate w controller.

I was hoping that you could help me with my question about the Sailfly x frame kit......Thanks!

Kabab thanks for all....I just order all your favorite components...(waiting for frame because there is not stock)....please could you send us the diff on betaflight? (Very interesting on pids and filter) Thanks for all , you are discovering us the way on this hobby...in Spain you can not fly in a park with quads over 250gr

My NamelessRc Aio has a faulty esc...

So is 11,000kv 1103 the sweet spot for 1s from what you’ve tested so far with 3” ? I mean if one of them companies makes a bnf I’ll just order one as long as they don’t go nuts adding weight just to check a few more boxes. If not, I’m definitely gonna build one

Bob, I'm having high throttle vibration on my build which has rcinpower 1204s running HQ 3x2s on 3s. Should I mess with the TPA or just try lowering the pids? Feels locked in on low to mid throttle, just above 70-75% is having issues. Also noticed its absent when I use flat lipos with less punch.

So far the Rcinpower 1204 5000kv motors are good although I wish they would have gone a little higher in kv. I run them in a 68g rig with 3s 450mah and 2.5" Avans. The low end authority is awesome but the top end is a little lacking.

Hey bob, i notice that you say both motors are 2mm shaft however I'm looking at the rcinpower 1204s now and the spec says they are 1.5mm shaft, so which is? You had a special version made for you?

Have you thought of making carbon props in this size range? They would be light and strong and probably make a world of difference. Great video!

I think I am gonna try to get one of the newer FC’s, with the VTX built in as well.. It would be worth the effort and time..

Did you ever try running Betaflight 4.1 with RPM filters on a TP? There is a BLHeli_S replacement firmware that allows it.

Is that new 20amp betafpv board just overkill on these builds considering the extra weight for 2-3s?

You have a store now!? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt lol I been gone man, I didn’t know. Where’s the link? I gotta do some shopping

When with the cool FPVcycle 1204 and 1303 motors be available again?

I am hoping that you can help me. I remember there was a list of settings to change to stop the babytooth from wobbling everywhere.. I thought it was the BF 4.1 tuning notes, but can’t seem to find it now. It also said how to fix zero throttle wobbles too.. Do you have any idea where that info is??

The toothpicks came a long way in one year thanks to you

Bob... Are any of the 16 x 16 Stacks worth a crap? 20 x 20? Pros and cons between the two? For 65mm.

1207 does sound sweet for T mount style super fast 3” racer. Maybe I need to check high cell count lipos and match low Kv, quality high cell 20x20 stacks are available. Hmn

My nameless Mosfets exploded when the quad was armed. Rip. Thinking if i should try nameless again or get something else.

So when's the toothpick X class coming out?

You have a link for the aio cam you recommend? I agree most of them are at least as good as any micro cams considering weight penalties. If only they were 100mw.

Are the 1204 motors more powerful than say a 1106 motor?? I was planning to use 1106’s but may use the 1204’s instead...

whats the aio camera are you using on the tp3? is it the eachine tx03? can you give a link please? thanks!

Hey Bob... where do you get those rubber spacers from? I have been looking everywhere for them and can't seem to find them.

When do you plan on getting the motors back in stock?