TRADITIONAL WINDOW CLEANING TRAINING & WORKING WITH TRAD - GIRL 1

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In this video I will help you and my lovely wife Carlie, aka TRAD - GIRL, to improve your skills as a window cleaner.
I explain what techniques are efficient that give good results on the job every time.
If you're new to window cleaning or have done it for a while, I hope this video helps you.
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@igorchanin8493 3 года назад

Glad it’s without music Thank you, well done!

@WAGEDOUT 4 месяца назад

For someone who’s actually trying to learn the skill this is great advice and visual

@pamscottt Год назад

No music is best, it’s hard to adjust music level versus voice. I love these tips and tricks and explanations of what you are doing.

@ched999uk 3 года назад

Great to hear why you do things as well as watching you work - great.

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thank you kindly 🙏🏻

@lifehacksformen8427 2 года назад

Between the nature of the cleaning and your soothing voice. It's the best ASMR video on the tube

@TradMan 2 года назад

Glad I could be of service 🤣👍🏻

@PartridgeExteriorCleaning 3 года назад

To be honest mate this is probably the best video I've watched from you for a long while, even though I already know what's up its nice to hear someone else say it and get the job done. Well done, great video.

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks kindly pal!! Hope you and family are keeping well 😊🙏🏻

@The67Punisher 3 года назад

Too happy to see another of your working days. after all his days without I was afraid of being deprived of it !!! lol

@TradMan 3 года назад

Haha thanks kindly 🙏🏻 Really appreciate you watching buddy

@squeakycleandave1 3 года назад

Great video Pete and Carlie. Loved the commentary. Good to see a training video in a real life situation especially with obstacles in the way 👍

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks pal! 😊🤜🏻🤛🏻

@businessownership 2 месяца назад

Love that you have explanation of what your doing, that helps a lot for understanding !👍👍

@TradMan 2 месяца назад

Super 👌🏻

@OO-rz2ep Год назад

Love the videos with your explanation , better than music. Grateful 🙏🏼

@TradMan Год назад

Fantastic feedback thank you!

@teampristine4723 3 года назад

Great work! I was explaining the exact same thing to a staff member today regarding how to clean doors sideways, but i felt you did a better job!

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks kindly, happy to help

@frederiksvenningsen 3 года назад

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 Excellent video mate

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks kindly 🙏🏻

@painterman9540 Год назад

Very helpful. A1. You're an excellent teacher.

@TradMan Год назад

😁🤜🏻🤛🏻

@dongdipperadventures6565 3 года назад

That was awesome and for a newbie this is so helpful, please keep up the great work and more of these types of videos please 😊

@TradMan 3 года назад

Ok great stuff!

@mcsqueegeespropertyservice6400 Год назад

Good video mate, noticed the mini straight pull on the conservatory and then you finished by going over it normally again. Best squeegee on the market though with the right rubber in it. Hope all goes well with your Academy.

@JasonDunlop247 3 года назад

Probably the finest partnership in Scotland. 💪🍀

@TradMan 3 года назад

🤣🤣🤣 aye we get on fine... when she listens 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@TheDane824 2 года назад

Yahoo. Trad Girl Carlie is back.

@TradMan 2 года назад

🤣🤣🤣👍🏻

@donmayleone4845 3 года назад

These are the best type of videos if you truly want to learn how to go about this business which I do. Thank you so much trad man. I’m in the North East of England and about to pull the trigger on starting to build my own round. I can’t thank you enough for your content 👍👍

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thats great 👍🏻 Glad you found it useful. I'll make some more tutorials. The next one is a step by step guide to cleaning over a deep sill in restricted space 😉

@donmayleone4845 3 года назад

@@TradMan Cool, please do. I enjoy cleaning trad like you do. Still working on my technique but getting better every day thanks to you the other you tubers. We’re living in amazing times 👍👍

@TradMan 3 года назад

@@donmayleone4845 😊😉🤜🏻🤛🏻

@Vision_cleaning 3 года назад

You really are the trad man. I miss Scotland. I use to live in Forres. Gorgeous place

@TradMan 3 года назад

😉🤜🏻🤛🏻 Scotland is a beautiful place. Forres is just north of me. 😊

@royguthrie9085 3 года назад

I’ve just started out and it’s videos like this I’ve been looking for. All the little tips that I’m guessing once you’ve been doing it a while come naturally therefor not many people mention in other videos.

@donmayleone4845 3 года назад

Exactly!

@dantheman30000 3 года назад

Great vid I'm just staring out and this sort of video is great. Keep up the good work

@TradMan 3 года назад

Ok great! Thanks for the feedback 😀 What other kinds of videos as a new start would you find helpful?

@dantheman30000 3 года назад

@@TradMan maybe you could do a video on how you canvas new customers, at the moment I have customers all over the place and I want to try and keep to a 10 mile radius. I've got leaflets and I use bark to get a lot of my customers but its expensive. any advise would be great. Thanks

@TradMan 3 года назад

@@dantheman30000 have you watched this video... 📺 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ncH20gTvRQc.html

@Reno-pz3kt Год назад

Good habits mate, you have an amazing ability to pay attention to detail...cheers

@TradMan Год назад

Thanks kindly ☺️

@vanderhoff66fu 3 года назад

I enjoy your commentary

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks kindly! Appreciate you watching

@nigelwarfield2346 3 года назад

Thoroughly enjoyed the tutorial would be good to see more and maybe trad girl give us some of her tutorial on how does it. Once again thanks for the input many Thanks

@TradMan 3 года назад

Glad you liked it! Appreciate you watching 🙏🏻

@theshiningwindowcleaningse2039 3 года назад

Ace video thanks

@TradMan 3 года назад

😉🤜🏻🤛🏻

@lifespyjackson6292 Год назад

No music..... Love it ,much better.

@TradMan Год назад

Yeah a few have said they prefer no music 😊 thank you for watching!

@grahamsmith-js8ww 3 месяца назад

Good stuff Trad -man 👍far better no music as I’m learning this game , so very helpful .Top man ! And Girl ! Of course . Graham from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 .

@TradMan 2 месяца назад

😉🤜🏻🤛🏻

@genericusver 3 года назад

Nice video, as always! I just missed why *straight* rubber in your Liquidator channels now? Doesn't corner cutting improve precision near seals?

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks 😊 To be honest it doesn't make much difference but saves a bit of time and hassle cutting angles 😉

@Surfinbadger 3 года назад

Aye! More videos like this pal

@TradMan 3 года назад

Aye nae bithers

@germanavilan7005 3 года назад

Great video TRADMAN I have been learning to reduce fatigue mentally and physically when approaching to any job tools are important on side it's no offensive but at the same time constrictive on my way no any more belts to carrion my back after that is killing me so...!!! what i do empty bucket two litres of solution on spray bottle no more mess per squeezes scrubber towels no much to clean and a pole for inside outside the same except cob wed removal that's what i do first before do any window the way that you do the i have to respect this is my way we need a life thinking about it try and let me know if does working for you ...!!!

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks for your comment buddy, really appreciated!

@omabdalah6040 Год назад

شكرآ جزاكي الله خيرا طريقة التنظيف رائعه. ارجوا ان يكون في ترجمه بالعربي لأني لم أفهم ماذا وضعت اسماء مواد التنظيف. انا أريد أن اسكن بيت جديد كيف انظف الزجاج بأي سائل تنظيف . سائل تنظيف الأواني او سائل تنظيف الغسيل . هل أضع في الماء كلور . شكرآ. اسفه على الازعاج

@johnmuttitt 3 года назад

Great video Peter (especially without the normal video music everyone seems to use)...... what gloves are you using ?

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thats great feedback thank you! They are just regular waterproof work gloves off amazon, very cheap. I also use disposable gloves off amazon 😊

@derekgibson1080 3 года назад

Good video Peter. What make of gloves have you got on if you don't mind me asking 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks pal 🙏🏻 Just got a cheap pair of waterproof work gloves on Amazon, nothing fancy 😉

@karlogrady2851 Год назад

Great video buddy... What type squeegee and rubber you use?? Thanks

@TradMan Год назад

I use the moerman excelerator squeegee, and unger green rubber 😊👍🏻

@mrnoob60 3 года назад

Good vid🙌🙌 i really liked the moment you corrected your wife, (it was very usefull for me, since i maybe do the same errors😐😃) could you perhaps in your next vid, do more teaching stuff, like film your wife making errors, and then correvt her? Thanks for the upload🙏

@TradMan 3 года назад

Haha yeah I'll try, she might slap me though but if it helps you I'll take the punishment 🤣😉

@AMindInOverdrive 2 года назад

Great video, and a lovely trainee also ;-) Do you detail the bottom of each pane or leave it? Just curious because I've seen guys both detail it and not detail it

@TradMan 2 года назад

We wipe the bottom of the frame and clean the sill. If there is a big amount of bubbles/solution on top of the bottom frame which is coming up the pane then yeah I would microfiber cloth it otherwise I try not to touch the glass after the squeegee has done its job 😉

@kngcleaning 3 года назад

Nice video 👌👌👌

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thanks kindly 🙏🏻 thank you for watching

@dacomponents 3 года назад

Niceone mate , do you always mop/squeegee every window? As for me I would scrim cloth fan lights as they looks super clean ?

@TradMan 3 года назад

I usually mop a squeegee everything unless its leaded or glass that's no flat like bathroom windows etc 🤜🏻🤛🏻

@bt45240 3 года назад

your tutorial is so important, thank you! so much work you have with explaining and editing the video... music only disturbs a lot...

@TradMan 3 года назад

Yeah I just left music out so people can focus on the info. Glad you liked it! 😊🙏🏻

@bt45240 3 года назад

@@TradMan yes thanks is the music out :-) people can listen music everywhere...but your infos are so important. For me from Germany i have to listen with full attention to understand and dont want to miss a word. Thanks for explaining so friendly, detailed and clear! :-)

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thank you! I think sometimes I talk a bit to fast, (it's a Scottish thing haha) I have to make a real effort to slow down for people that are from other countries. I'm very happy you can understand it and hopefully it helps you 🙏🏻

@MaDDeXTeR1 3 года назад

Great video buddy and all round good demonstrations. Was just wondering if you’ve modified you’re channels as they seem to have a curve to them rather than being straight. If so is there a method behind why they are like maybes they work better or something or you get no turn marks would love to find out. Also do you do no any good places to buy the green unger rubbers from. Appreciate the videos you give us all 👌

@TradMan 3 года назад

Hey bud, the clips are standard 2.0 clips. Unmodified.

@TradMan 3 года назад

I buy my gear from window cleaning warehouse. If you use the code TRADMAN10 at checkout you'll get 10% off to. 😉

@qazwerspoil 3 года назад

Would love some tutorial of some sort on how to deal with deep ledges with moerman tools

@TradMan 3 года назад

Yeah that's on the cards 😉

@BembeJames 2 года назад

I see you're taking your time when doing the video for our benefit. Do you generally go quicker when not filming or do you charge accordingly to how long it takes? I'm a traditional window cleaner too in Wales and really enjoy your videos and your attitude. But find I'm always stressing about how long I take.

@TradMan 2 года назад

Yeah I tend to slow down for videos so folks can see what I'm doing 😉

@goodasnewrepairs 2 года назад

Great vid, no music is great. Thanks for the tips, what is the squeegy with the blue tips called?

@TradMan 2 года назад

Awesome 👌🏻 It's called the Moerman Liquidator

@goodasnewrepairs 2 года назад

@@TradMan thank you

@ramenwasserdepot5487 3 года назад

Love your video, your hillarious comments and offcourse your Scottish RRRRRRR :-) !!!

@TradMan 3 года назад

Haha cheers pal 😉🤜🏻🤛🏻

@1984pixi 3 года назад

Nice video. Witch gloves do you use in this video? Gretings from Belgarde

@TradMan 3 года назад

I use work gloves of amazon, just a cheap pair that I buy in bulk 😉

@Bill-ws4ke Год назад

totally loved the vid. Trad girl and you are two cute.. hahaa..

@TradMan Год назад

Lol 😆

@stevehughes7224 2 года назад

Those blue cloths you have, have you got a link

@TradMan 2 года назад

I get unger sill cloths from window cleaning warehouse or window cleaning centre

@joeharrison7090 2 года назад

How does the blue tips work on the squeegee and where can u get squeegee make it look very simple n quick

@TradMan 2 года назад

They apply pressure to the squeegee rubber ends, which with practice, removes all cleaning solution from the glass after use. Unlike all other squeegees that will leave cleaning solution behind at the edges, which then need wiped (detailed) with a cloth. You can get this tool from many places. Type in moerman Liquidator squeegee into Google and you can compare a few suppliers 😉

@markspicer161 3 года назад

Brilliant video again Trad-Man 👍Would you say the samurai is better than dry walker by moerman for boab??

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thank you kindly 🙏🏻 Yeah the drywalker is clunky and awkward. I had the drip tray fall off several times. No boab is perfect but the latest samurai boab so far has been good to use, reliable and easy to use quickly.

@mathiasvansteen4854 3 года назад

@@TradMan buy a silencer, and talking about other boabs becomes a waist of time. 😉

@grez6330 2 года назад

@@mathiasvansteen4854 🤔 where can i buy a silencer in the UK?

@mathiasvansteen4854 2 года назад

@@grez6330 i think you can’t... I bought mine from WCR America. It was very expensive with shippingcosts included to Belgium , around 400€. But i would buy it again if this one dies.

@danivinson 3 года назад

Wish I had the moerman flik when I was doing commercial work. Loads of trad pole work. Used to squeegee along the top then straight down in swathes working towards the edge! Not as manoeuvrable! Nice informative vid, I think I learn something every time! Does your red trad pole make you a sith!

@TradMan 3 года назад

Haha in the morning I'm defo a grumpy sith. I'm really happy you find the videos useful ☺

@danivinson 3 года назад

@@TradMan been cleaning off and on for 15 years and have learnt more in the last year watching your vids, and @squeakycleandave1. Thanks guys

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thats fantastic!! Dave is awesome 👌🏻 We both learn from folks like yourself to, everyday can be a school day if we are prepared to learn 😉

@gerardcassidy9791 9 месяцев назад

@@danivinson0:06

@christophlemmypie 3 года назад

Can I ask which gloves you are using in the video?

@TradMan 3 года назад

They are just a cheap pair of waterproof work gloves from Amazon

@jenniferg6818 2 месяца назад

omg that's your wife? lmbo. Well thanks for the video.

@sabirdave 2 года назад

what aqueegee would you use on curved windows...

@TradMan 2 года назад

I use an excelerator for pretty much everything

@Canonjac 3 года назад

I bought a samurai Boab last year and my squeegees kept falling out of it and the clip would come undone if I jumped off the ladder or a small deck. Now I use the moerman drywalker and I couldnt be happier with it.

@TradMan 3 года назад

Can't say I've had many issues with the samurai version 2. Glad you've got something that works for you 😉

@svenskavapes8558 2 года назад

Hallo.. Great video, allso a windowcleaner here in sweden, whats the name of the scrape your using? I use the traditional unger ower here. Ceep up the good videos, love them. Greetings from Sundsvall/Sweden. ❤

@TradMan 2 года назад

I use the unger ninja 6 inch scraper 👍🏻

@svenskavapes8558 2 года назад

@@TradMan Thanks my friend, will se if we have it over here in Sweden 🙂 Stay well and ceep up the good work ..🙏 Have a Nice evning.👍

@TradMan 2 года назад

You to pal! 😊🤜🏻🤛🏻

@rbcleaningskegness9191 3 года назад

A nice long video which will help newbies to trad Pete 👍🏻 Well done also Trad girl 🧒 👌. I'm liking the Unger green rubber and also what's happen to the van system?

@TradMan 3 года назад

The cold weather damaged it, even with a heater in overnight every night. I could repair it but the backpack on a trolly is fine for me 😊

@rbcleaningskegness9191 3 года назад

@@TradMan Oh that a shame about the system Peter I've been looking at getting one like yours. I'm using the Bigboy 2 on a trolley at the moment and it's been great for me

@TradMan 3 года назад

Yeah if I used wfp a lot then I would repair it but the trolly does me fine for the jobs I need it. For large jobs I just plug in my unger hydro to the tap on site and away I go with unlimited water 😊 How's things going with yourself mate? Keeping busy?

@rbcleaningskegness9191 3 года назад

@@TradMan Hopefully my carpet and upholstery cleaning will pick up soon once the caravan parks open up a gone. The window cleaning and gutter clearing /cleaning which I bolted on to the business a couple of years as been going really well especially gutter clearing.

@TradMan 3 года назад

Thats good mate 👍🏻

@macgyverbryan1377 Год назад

There's a percentage of window cleaners that use Ettore brass in the Excelerator handle. In effect putting street tires on a racecar. I'm using only Moerman tools now, just bought a Combinator 14 inch. Only one detailing towel a day, there's 2 months worth in the towel bucket. The end clips do wear the tips faster, just cut the blade down, one blade will go into up to 4 channels.

@Scuba-itis 3 месяца назад

Moerman rubber is average though compared to Ettore or Unger green

@donmayleone4845 3 года назад

Do you get little tiny lines off the moerman that dry out instantly and will these show up when the light hits the window ?

@TradMan 3 года назад

Sometimes I've had this if I've got a nick in the rubber during a job. Or a brand new bit of rubber thats a bit sticky to use until worn in.

@TradMan 3 года назад

They can show up when the sun hits it, good to keep checking your squeegee fairly regularly 😉

@pucserviceplus5765 3 года назад

Hello Trad-Man have you had the opportunity to try the red Razarblade rubbers from Facelift? world championship especially in Moerman slats, best regards.

@TradMan 3 года назад

Hello 👋🏻 Yeah I've tried it before, very durable and works well in most squeegees although in liquidators I found it gripped the glass quite a lot. I use Unger green rubber, it's got decent glide and durability 😉

@pucserviceplus5765 3 года назад

@@TradMan Yes I used green and blue Moerman too, but number 1 for me is Facelift red😊

@antonirojas821 3 года назад

22:10 the best explication

@TradMan 3 года назад

😊🤜🏻🤛🏻

@TokyoFriedKitten Год назад

Yo Trad-Man! I got a question, Is you water cold or warm? Ive been trying to find out what to use best but if i ask google it only says: hot water is good for winter, Sorry if this question sounds stupid, im just a starter, ive orderd a full unger ergotec ninja set and unger gel etc, Really learning allot from your vids! Keep up the good work❤🙏🏼🫧🫧

@TradMan Год назад

I personally use hot water when its cold and cold when its hot. If you need one to one training please check out www.tradmanacademy.com

@hollygrinstead7252 Год назад

How are you heating water?

@TradMan Год назад

Out of a normal hot tap 😊

@stefankershaw6358 3 года назад

what pole (red one) have you used on the moerman? with thanks

@TradMan 3 года назад

It's a phantom trad pole from window cleaning warehouse

@stefankershaw6358 3 года назад

👍🏻 thank you 👍🏻

@TradMan 3 года назад

Very welcome 🙏🏻

@lesleywigham1362 2 года назад

Where do you get the blue clips from please ☺

@TradMan 2 года назад

Window cleaning warehouse. Online 👍🏻

@lesleywigham1362 2 года назад

@@TradMan thank you 😊

@WoodyWanderer 7 месяцев назад

How much are them squeegees with the blue bits

@TradMan 6 месяцев назад

Check out the moerman excelerator squeegee online 👍🏻

@barryp351 3 года назад

Where is the best place to buy an A ladder

@TradMan 3 года назад

I bought mine at window cleaning warehouse. If you use the code TRADMAN10 at checkout you'll get 10% off 😊

@pamscottt Год назад

I’ve been cleaning a residential house in Texas and they have screens that would need to be removed and cleaned. I guess other than that it’s the same procedure?

@TradMan Год назад

Yes exactly. Fortunately we don't have screens to remove / clean here.

@cleanservltd4318 3 года назад

Can I ask where you got your braces from for your belt. I'm looking to get a pair, but can't find any decent ones. Many thanks 👍

@TradMan 3 года назад

Yeah absolutely They are called magma braces, got them on Amazon

@cleanservltd4318 3 года назад

@@TradMan you're a star 👍

@TradMan 3 года назад

Very welcome! 😊

@symplemynd57 6 месяцев назад

I notice that you mention a 16 inch squeegee in your videos. Moerman offers a 14 and 18 inch. Where are you finding this 16 inch? 16 inch is a great length for a squeegee ....

@TradMan 6 месяцев назад

I cut a 18 down to 16

@dongdipperadventures6565 3 года назад

What sizes squeegees do you think I should start with? I've only got a 14" one at the moment

@TradMan 3 года назад

I would get at least two more sizes, 10inch & 6 inch. Moerman don't make a 6 inch Liquidator though so you'll have to make your own, its fairly simple. I have a video on how to make a 6 inch Liquidator 😉

@TradMan 3 года назад

How to make a 6 inch Liquidator 📺 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vs9v4CNPT2M.html

@dongdipperadventures6565 3 года назад

Really appreciate the replies thank you 😊 will look at that now 👍

@TradMan 3 года назад

😊🤜🏻🤛🏻

@soviskas55 3 года назад

I like this video, hi from russia my name is kostya.

@TradMan 3 года назад

Nice to speak to you and thank you for watching! Hello from Scotland 😊

@sln101 Год назад

I got that squeegee..moreman 3 ..but the fluq pad is a 30 cm I think..but it's 1 inch shorter than the squeegee at each end...is this normal ? Apparently moreman said they don't do a 35 cm ...and it's standard...any thoughts ? ..

@TradMan Год назад

They do various sizes of squeege channel, but only around 4 sizes of fliq pad if memory serves.

@sln101 Год назад

@@TradMan thanks bud

@TradMan Год назад

No worries! 😁

@loulougobert6323 2 года назад

great video i learned some tricks could you make a same video but from the inside of a house?

@TradMan 2 года назад

I've got an internal cleaning video 👍🏻

@alexscott6031 3 года назад

No more pole system in the van?

@TradMan 3 года назад

Pumps and pipes were damaged during the winter months despite heater being in overnight on full power. Severe cold. For all that it was being used I just took it out and popped my backpack trolly in, works fine 🙂

@alexscott6031 3 года назад

@@TradMan I've done my days work today using my Gardiner backpack all day (my van pump shit itself yesterday) and thought it was actually a lot easier than dragging hose about all day so I know how you feel.

@TradMan 3 года назад

Like most things there's pros and cons. I do like that the backpack you can go anywhere with and don't have to be parked next to the job. Downside is having to manually fill it with barrels but personally I don't mind it too much, got quite quick at it. 😉

@bennettshfd2 3 года назад

Have you tried the 3.0 yet?

@TradMan 3 года назад

It's not in stores yet is it?

@bennettshfd2 3 года назад

@@TradMan I believe so.

@TradMan 3 года назад

Will have to give them a bash 😉

@MaDDeXTeR1 3 года назад

Maybes you could share a link to the 3.0 channel would also love to give it a go see what’s different with it

@TradMan 3 года назад

WCW don't have it yet

@andressaar4290 Год назад

Why use soap water so much? I get very good results with pure water

@TradMan Год назад

Better glide 😊👍🏻

@colonynaut1627 3 года назад

It strikes me you'll be interested in the discussion on tacit and formal knowledge. How people learn in reality is somewhat mysterious. There is what your 'hands' know, then what your brain knows. Too many people are dependent on one to apathy on the other. It seems like if you're to perform well there must be a interplay between the two to optimize any craft. There are curious facts about what is going on here though. Tacit knowledge is deceitful because it appears very simple when you know how to do it - and is notoriously difficult to impart to somebody else. There seems to be an invisible scaffolding that you build when you learn - and when you become expert this falls away which is as how you might 'forget' that once you had to think of each key press on a keyboard before touch typing, or each decision as you started driving before they became reflexes.

@sln101 Год назад

Why don't we have more women window cleaners and do you ever see women window cleaners on Ladders

@TradMan Год назад

No don't see very many unfortunately. Carlie does very well but she doesn't use the larger ladders, just smaller ones.