Trans women Aren't Trying to "Steal" Womanhood 

Exactly people love to forget trans men exist to. It's a curse and testimony to how woman are view lesser than men even if those women were once male and then men were once women. But that's adding to much nauce to this conversation.

As grown XY’s y’all can do as you please cause we have FREE WILL, but what y’all AIN’T gonna do is act like MY CREATOR ain’t make XX and XY for a reason. My cousin trans and def still know he a MALE, he taught me a lot. He dislikes the ones who keep the delulu that their actual FEMALES. He told me y’all dislike the fact y’all don’t got a REAL pumpum, but if that don’t make a FEMALE why u mad we got one and why do u even want one(cause y’all want other MALES)..Which means he got sense and the rest of y’all got an illness and that’s no shade..

.......girl...noooo

​@@hadrianhexe9603girl yes

Nahhhh, trans women are men. Protect real women.

You're a boy.

I’m an aroace Ecuadorian-American teen and a trans ally. 🧡💛🤍🩵💙🏳️‍⚧️

They are not women. They are transsexuals. Trans people

Protect real ladies 🚺 ❤️ we are the only reason why transpeople exist ♥️ we delivered them into the world 🌎

Protect yourself like real MALES do.. my creator made XX and XO for a reason…

XY

Your not special because you push out offspring. Every organism does that. Or that organism doesn't survive. We're not males short bus. Or neurological function is not male but female. Our neural structure is the same as female. Excluding the white matter.My god read a reputable science journal. If you can. Oh yeah it's xx, xy, xxy, x...... And stop depending on some made up sky daddy or bs religion to validate your batshit opinion. Have good day.😊

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​@@hotties3v3n🤣

Yes. As a cis woman myself I’ve always labeled other women who said this as “insecure”

@@cinnam0r0llxo_ it sad that these misinformed arguments are at the center instead of actual logic and experiences

Stop calling real women "cis" it's fucking uncomfortable, plus trans "women" are just men and having them use female bathrooms? Ur practically asking for assault

No it’s a valid criticism. When terms no one asked for start getting created and and categories are shifted there needs to be discourse, not just led or controlled by one group.

@@new_to_planet4424 true, it’s just what I mean is that some people get misinformed and some are not willing to listen to actual trans experiences

Not you getting on here lying 😂😂😂😂 but okay

@@femmechatnoir863How are they lying?

Oh god… while trans women and cis women aren’t biologically exactly the same. The medical, societal, and psychologically social discrimination and issues 100% overlap and you have no idea what the hell you’re championing for

You are correct!! As a natural born woman, there are struggles and nuances that transwomen will not understand.

​@@vayoha02um I think they were talking about the opposite but it still works visa versa also "real women " isn't a real thing its either trans or Cis - cis literally means you identify with the gender you were assigned at birth .

They’re not women lmao. That’s disrespectful towards actual women/females.

​@@Heyitschy03stop referring to women as "females" 😕 and protect trans women 🏳️‍⚧️

No they're trans women

@@ihavenoname330 fuck em

They are TRANS WOMEN!

Yes they do lmao

"Yes they do" if your womanhood is affected by someone else's womanhood then I cannot help you... but! I can help you with debate... you need to address my point and you need to make your own point... 😂 You can use anecdotes explain to me how trans women existing has prevented you from being a woman... Living your life... Getting a man... Getting a job... Making the Olympics... Both of you give me an example of how you're affected because otherwise you're just an a******

@keeksgeeks yes actually.

@keeksgeeks as they should

Women are not cis. They are women!

I love y’all too, but I won’t allow anyone to discredit my creator Jehovah. I see this as a disrespect and I ain’t going for it.

How tf is a natural born woman channeling a person born as male? The delusion is honestly getting out of control. This doesn’t even make sense. Trans women are imitating natural women but she’s channeling a person born as male? What the absolute Fuck.

​@@DebbieGarvey-dq6cfyou made a claim that a god exists. Provide evidence or your claim can be dismissed.

@Kassadin8088 so u can believe in a man turning into a woman (not possible) but not respect religion? Insane.

@@mrpickles-hb6zxWhen did I say trans women are biologically female? I'm not making the claim that trans women were born biologically female you dishonest theist. How can you expect me to take you at your word on faith when you lie about my position? From a social construct standpoint trans women typically do not behave or appear like cis men. There is a difference between sex and gender (the view of self). What's insane is believing a space wizard created everything without evidence. I can provide evidence that trans women exist. I can find a trans woman and give her a high five. I doubt I could give your god a high five (because he doesn't exist). There are neurologists who have found that the brains of trans women function differently than usual. Gender dysphoria is a real thing. Make no mistake, you have less ground to stand on because trans women exist, while you believe in something make believe. Can anyone sense your god? Do you have proof people didn't hallucinate? Where is your falsifiable evidence of a god?

The Stroll

He's a man and he's wrong

How r u saying “preach sister” when right after he refers to himself as he/him. Do you see how female terms are turned into catch-alls but male terms are not…

not both women though.

Trans women are just as much women as cisgender women our ideas of what makes a woman are socially constructed and a trans woman living her life as a woman can identify herself with that construct

It's in the name trans women. A trans women is a women.

Trans women are women trans men are men and non binary people and gender non conforming people are non binary and gender non conforming its just a matter of common decency and accepting people for who they are no matter where they fall on the gender spectrum

They're not women.

But black trans women are women too and need ur support as well it's not extra work. They should be included with us no matter what.

What a weird comment...You can support trans people and not have to go above and beyond, you know. The bare minimum is to just not misgender them and make their lives harder cause they're trans. Just don't expect to be called an ally, because you do the basics.

Beloved, THEY ARE BLACK WOMEN. and any battle they are fighting is coming for the rest of yall next

Black trans women….. are women.

I think where you're maybe getting into conflict with others is the way you insinuate that trans people want you to do "footwork" for them. Fighting for and supporting marginalized communities benefits everyone, and we should want to stand together.

As if separate, but equal has ever actually been achieved in this country, let alone the rest of the world. Having them separated as if they aren't humans like the rest of us, leaves them vulnerable. Hell there are already laws that seek to eliminate trans people, removing their access to treatment, etc.

This is the same mentality the racists used during the Jim Crow era. Just letting you know 👀

Trans rights are women's rights.

Its only conflation if you dont see trans women as women, which you clearly dont.

@@keeksgeeks You, maam, ARE A FUCKING QUEEN

Trans women are bio women too

@@eurydice.no offence, then what is it that makes them trans? ‘Cause if that is the case; then it erases the whole experience of being trans

@@eurydice.no they are not! Like how is that physically possible? A trans women does not have the same chromosomes and a uterus

@@Meowmeowingz you oversimplify our biological reality as transsexuals

@@bedussy6749 because we are assigned maleness, societally, and have to struggle through it. Not all, but most tranfeminine are biologically female.

@@keeksgeeks Thanks for sharing your perspective. I mean if you think that no pro trans person or activist can come across as disrespectful to a person that is genuinely trying to understand trans issues, by asking questions, then yes I suppose you’d see it as respectability politics. But it doesn’t seem that you quite understand my argument. Trans issues are not the same as gay issues. But they are similar enough that I think it matters to make comparisons on how they are perceived when asking valid questions; and how a person asking a gay individual about their experience has vastly different results. A person can have an opinion that is harmful to the gay community as a whole but they aren’t immediately labeled homophonic for asking a question in good faith based on their lived experience. They may not have been exposed to gay people so they may have a perspective based on their lack of exposure. I don’t see gay activists attacking others for trying to understand gay people when asking questions. Not to say it never happens, but I think they are able to discern between engaging with an ignorant person asking a question vs a person who is homophonic looking to invalidate their existence. That distinction doesn’t seem to exist in the trans community. When people ask questions about trans issues, society, morality, or giving their perspective, it all becomes a “you can’t ask that, you can’t say that, lemme roast you and call you transphobic”. Which isn’t very beneficial when those are the ideas people have floating around in their head regardless of if you want to hear what they have to say or not. For example trans women being able to compete in women sports. Many don’t agree with it and are called transphobic when discussing their opinion (which they may be but I consider them engaging in those discussions good because they care to have those conversations). It is an extremely small amount of trans people competing but it gets so much attention. Discussing the topic isn’t inherently transphobic, but I’ve seen women in sports being called transphobic for asking to compete with non trans women. I personally would want to know what other peoples perspective of me is and how society sees people like me as a member of a minority group. It allows me to think about what I need to look out for, the people I need to avoid for my safety, and the types of conversations I need to have with my loved ones to make sure they aren’t thinking that way as well. But if I’m not willing to be faced with someone else’s ignorance, I’ll never be able to have those difficult conversations to hopefully change their thinking. I would hope the trans community has enough understanding to see the benefit of hearing out those that are transphobic. Because then they’d know who to avoid and the narratives going around about them (especially those that make trans individuals seem like the villain for existing). I don’t have to agree with a persons perspective, but hearing theirs can help me strengthen mine. It is no one’s responsibility to teach anyone. But as I stated before most homophobic/transphobic people won’t change their thinking unless they have a loved one within those communities. If the end goal of all of this is to have a majority of society accepting of trans people then educating people matters. That’s why representation matters. The more people seeing trans people in media, the more people are able SEE their struggles and perspective. The more trans individuals they engage with, the less society will care about the negative portrayals of trans people and see through the bs. The issue is most people don’t go out of their way to educate themselves on other peoples lived experiences. And being rude to those that care to ask questions makes it that much harder for progress. I don’t believe I ever said transphobia is self inflicted, but I did say that trans people and their allies often don’t allow for open discussion; which is a hindrance for long term acceptance. And I believe that. I cannot justify violence against minorities, but there are patterns in acceptance that I think is going overlooked and it bothers me because if pro trans people took the route that women, blacks people, and gay people did by having those conversations they may have a similar outcome. People hearing trans ppl and seeing trans stories in mainstream media is beneficial. Because they may not have anyone in their immediate circle challenging their perspective and thinking on trans people. I don’t believe I argued against trans peoples access to safety or to resources at all. But focused on the methods used that stifle the conversations necessary for progress and the acceptance of trans people. I don’t believe I’ve justified violence against trans people or their ability to speak about things important to them. But I did argue the approach I have seen being taken and made comparisons on how other minority groups respond to peoples inquiries vs the trans community’s response. No minority group will be fully accepted by all portions of society, but everything starts with having those difficult conversations and the trans community seems to often times get in the way of people having those conversations and are coming across as narrow minded. I don’t have the answers on what people should do, but I do want everyone to be able to come together to discuss their perspectives. So hopefully EVENTUALLY it can lead to the acceptance of trans people in society. Lastly I stand by saying protect all women, because I see trans women as women and I think making the distinction there allows for ppl to say “well why do you make the distinction that they are trans in the context of safety unless you don’t see them as women first?”. I understand the reasoning behind why, but I value acknowledging that they are women above highlighting that they are trans regardless of if they are disproportionately affected by violence because all women deserve to live safely within society. I truly see them as women and feel that making the distinction of their transness only makes it harder to make the argument that they are women in other contexts such as sports and which restroom they should use. It’s a complicated topic, but I accept that my opinion may not be the same as others and I respect anyone that may disagree. And I’d like to thank you for responding, although I feel you misunderstood part of my argument I see the value in listening to a different perspective ❤️

@@keeksgeeks Personally I don’t see me pointing out the backlash that I have seen coming from trans activists towards people asking questions in discourse online as stating that transphobia is self inflicted. Especially when I made the distinction that my problem is with trans activists that engage in calling people transphobic and not necessarily trans individuals unless they also do this. My overall point was 1. Trans individuals/activists that engage in these conversations should be understanding to others ignorance if the trans person/activist is willing and open to responding to people (mainly when attempting to educate others to avoid calling a person transphobic for having a different perspective) and 2. I care more about accepting trans women and men as the gender they identify as by saying protect all women. And if I cannot talk about these things without the very language I’m using being called transphobic and/or labeling my opinion as “very adjacent to respectability politics” then I can’t really engage in the conversation. I wrote for a lengthy amount about representation being a key factor to people accepting trans individuals (and compared it to ppl being more accepting of gay people once they had someone close to them that is gay)… yet your response was that It’s “easy” for me to tell others to be composed during these discussions online when me or my loved ones are not the target of transphobia. I am an instructor and teach special needs individuals and some of my students are trans and I have to hear their families invalidate them when speaking to me about their child. In our conversations the parents dead name them and use the incorrect pronouns in front of them (which sucks btw because I cannot correct the parents I can only continue to refer to them in these convos as the gender they identify, use the name they choose and avoid dead naming them, and that’s about it). I understand I may come across as obtuse, but as a black woman myself, I see more value in any person affected by violence banding together. That’s not to say that trans women deserve more or less protection than me, trans men, or any other person. I am a women and I think I have a vested interest in protecting women; which some may call being biased because I’m not saying to protect everyone #alllivesmatter. But I also never subscribed to Black Lives Matter as a movement because I saw how much people would argue semantics and not focus on the actual message; which imo is happening for trans people rn. I explained the course that I thought was the most beneficial to the friends and families of trans individuals to stay open minded. The same criticism I have for BLM I have for trans activists. If you want people to accept you they have to humanize you; because rn a lot of people don’t see them as human deserving of empathy. The end goal for both communities imo is acceptance to exist in our society without different rules, without the threat of violence, death or imprisonment. Everyone has a bias in some form and that does a lot to form a person’s world view. And I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I am biased because I am woman. I am black. I am not trans. But I work with special needs adults/kids and see how society isn’t always kind to those that look, think, or ARE different than the norm. All I can do is state my opinion and be willing to change my thought process if someone tells me something worth rethinking my stance. Do I want hear from a broader spectrum of trans individuals with different experiences? Yes. Do I want to be told I’m transphobic for discussing the act of sharing ideas that others may not agree with? No. Did I argue respectability politics? No. Did I argue that having trans people in the lives of more people would lead to understanding? Yes. Did I say that anyone should lessen their passion when discussing sensitive subjects? No. I said that being rude to people that a group wants respect and acceptance from will likely lead to people rejecting trans people and dismiss their experiences. And I’d like for that to be avoided because I’m someone who has to see it quiet often at work; and I have no power to have those conversations with my students parents because it is not my place in the context that I am in their lives. So I mean 🤷🏽‍♀️ I guess in your mind no trans person has to justify their existence whereas in my reality I have to witness it happening in real time and then getting hate from their parents. I can’t ask people on the internet who willingly answer my questions (with the intention to better inform myself by hearing from trans individuals instead of reading about it) to hear from more perspectives than just my students… and I can’t state my opinion to get a clearer understanding of why I and others believe what we believe… and I can’t criticize trans activist approach to discourse… because I’ll be labeled as closed minded, transphobic, or that I’m blaming trans people for their own problems 🤦🏾‍♀️ I mean at this point I’m no worse than their parents and that was my point all along. You can’t disagree and have conversations without people that identify as trans activists getting in their feelings for their ideas being challenged. Sometimes people ask questions to understand and in these convos it doesn’t seem like people can respond without accusing people of saying things there aren’t by misrepresenting their stance and ignoring a person’s intentions. I’m not too proud to admit when I’m wrong, and I’d like to continue to evolve my thinking until the day I die. But you speaking for trans people and being offended for them, trying to shield them from being traumatized from my opinions, and making it seem like they can’t handle conversations about their lives experience is a hindrance. I think the way I do and have reasons for “the why”. If I ask someone “the why” behind their thinking, choices, or actions, it’s not really criticism but seeking information. I ask why do trans activate respond in rude ways to ppls questions and you say that I shouldn’t criticize how they respond when they may be traumatized and compare it to me criticizing trans individuals passion while speaking; ignoring that the purpose was brought up to discuss why it’s important to allow for conversation with WILLING participants.

@@keeksgeeks what I’m gathering is giving trans activists feedback on how to best engage in conversation with people that are willing to learn from them online (based on what I have seen) is not beneficial to the trans community at large… and not worthy of speaking on… because I’m not citing people that are rude and shut down these conversation specially by name? By that logic I cannot speak on my opinions of the videos I’ve seen online of police officers harassing any group of people unless I’m able to name the officer in question… because I’m not benefiting police officers at large. Is it that I can’t state any opinion about the culture surrounding any group of people in particular or is it just minority groups? And I shouldn’t give advice to people I agree with about how they go about interacting with people if you disagree with the advice? I can see if I didn’t acknowledge the other side and just made it seem like trans activists are overreacting all the time. I’ve said that people are ignorant and to engage in conversations with people online that may have a different opinion, being rude to them for their ignorance will likely not lead to the desired outcome of understanding and maintaining mutual respect. I was unaware that all trans activists are oppressed the same if not more than trans individuals. And that giving advice to people on how to better communicate with one another respectfully (if the purpose of the conversation is to give and take info and knowledge, not shut down a persons openness to the discussion or label them) was advising an identity category on how to deal with their oppression. To me it makes it seem like you think all trans activists are trans individuals and are insinuate that my criticism of trans activists when they engage in online discussions is somehow an attack on trans individuals. When you think you finally find a person able to understand how have a conversation but they’re just cosplaying and misrepresents your argument. Constantly moving the goal post while downplaying the points you’re actually making to focus on how they feel about your opinion and not addressing your intentions or the purpose behind what you say 💁🏾‍♀️ now this is very strange, but I guess you gotta love it because that’s what it’s giving.

@@keeksgeeks I’m sorry but I’d like to know when I said trans people were rude? You keep saying it, but it doesn’t make it my argument. I quite literally keep reiterating my initial point in different ways and you seem to be unable to understand the plain english I use to describe my motives for making my initial comment. It’s like you’re using trans people as a shield as if by criticizing trans activists I’m criticizing trans people. Encouraging mutual respect during conversation is an advanced idea and something I shouldn’t bring up I guess. I’m happy to know that my feedback isn’t helpful to you or anyone you may have encountered. But that doesn’t make it useless information or something unworthy of discussion. I’m sad that regardless of what I respond with you’ll continue to somehow misunderstand. But it’s okay, I don’t think you are the type of person that need to be engaging in these discussions with people if you have this much trouble comprehending other people’s arguments. It’s like you’re unable to zoom out to see the big picture and only focus on whatever you’re feeling. And yeah, I compared this situation to the police as a way to highlight how ridiculous I’ve found your comparisons to be. But I see that the irony went over your head and I’m not really surprised. I apologize for making a joke, I don’t think sarcasm is something that would benefit a conversation with you and isn’t as effective if you’re reading it. But it is interesting that you are essentially saying that all cops are racist and you are allowed to make that generalizing statement because they are not a marginalized group. Yet for some reason you don’t respect trans activists enough to allow others to give them any form constructive criticism about their approach to conversation. And you alone hold the power to discern who may or may not criticize any given group of people. If you are unaware of something happening then it doesn’t exist. And if you want to misrepresent my point, you sure will do it. For free too. I love that for you. But I respect you less for it.

@@keeksgeeks you know, as I’ve already stated you keep misrepresenting my argument. And continue to do so. Aren’t comprehending intentions or the literal words people say. And continue to bring up transphobia as if I made any points about how being kind to transphobic individuals somehow benefits the trans community. I’m sorry you’re struggling to understand. The words I’ve said are there and you can reread them for clarity, but you won’t because you falsely believe that you have the moral high ground here. When in reality you actually have nothing to say except you will respond to you misunderstanding jokes and sarcasm. And then go on to bs your way through misrepresenting what I’m arguing, and then telling me my opinion doesn’t need to be shared because you don’t seem to understand the point, regardless of how many times you are told, because you would rather not be bothered with the truth. Just go about your day being wrong and loud. You keep being both so imma let you. Like nigga how many time do I have to repeat myself before you’re like ohhhh I misunderstood you. You’re like nah I misunderstood you and I’m going to argue on that point until the end of time. Argue with yourself ❤️ I have a feeling that you’re one of the people that I complained about based off of this interaction so maybe do better. You are my example of counterproductive activists doing online. You are the example and I’ve explained to you how you are the example 😂 and you’re still not going to understand what I’ve said because you have problems with comprehension so I mean 🤷🏽‍♀️

We the trans men and women of the world are real, and different, and ourselves, never claimed to be identical to cis ppl

Lol you're the only one being delusional sis, or should I say sir

Imagine being so insecure that you worry about other people’s lives. You peaked in high school. You’re not based and cool. You’re an edgy delusional teen inside an adult body but your brain says otherwise. You’ll never become mature with that disgusting ignorance.

Trans people are divine ans God loves us the most ❤

No one cares.

Provide evidence the bible is actually a true story and not make believe. If you can provide falsifiable evidence your claims will be dismissed and treated as untrue.

@Kassadin8088 without religion, you most likely wouldn't even exist, considering religion teaches morals and its the reason for alot of laws keeping brats like you safe and alive.