Transformers - LIES of The Beasts: PART 1 

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When I was in Film School, one of my teachers worked on the OG Beast Wars series, and he was less than impressed with this movie; when he saw Cheetor, his reaction was, "THAT'S NOT CHEETOR, HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE YELLOW!"

Cannot wait to watch this retrospective on Rise of The Breasts again, now in *PARTS.* 😎

So, Counterargument: Optimus doesn't hate humanity, he is actively trying to avoid getting them involved. In his eyes, the Autobots' war with the Decepticons has nothing to do with them, and getting human aid would be dragging an unrelated party into a war.

"Here we are.... Fight us now."

I think that Rotb was not a worthy sequel to Bumblebee at all.

In G1, the first time Optimus Prime encounters humans, the Decepticons just pillaged an oil rig in the ocean and set it ablaze, leaving the humans to die. Optimus immediately had the Autobots act as first responders, regardless of the potential repercussions. He even carried humans on his shoulders to safety. In Animated, Optimus Prime acted to fight off a nano-tech monstrosity in the middle of the city. In TF Prime, we don't see Optimus Prime's first encounter, but we saw how much he respected Fowler's authority and position. And we see how he cared for the kids. In most of these examples, he grew to love and engage with human culture and established it as a second home. And the examples I listed are the tip of the Iceberg. I didn't particularly enjoy Rise of the Beasts because of the way Optimus Prime was depicted. He certainly looks the part, and he's voiced by Peter Cullen, but where did his hatred for humans come from? Even in the 2007 Michael Bay film, he looked past human cruelty to see humans for what they were, and what they could become. One of the aspects of Optimus Prime I look for in all Transformers media is in the quote Peter Cullen shared from his brother, "be a real leader... be strong enough to be gentle." That's the kind of Optimus that resonates with me.

they could've made it so Optimus Prime didn't want to involve humans in the conflict not because he doesnt trust them but because he feels bad that he's bringing cybertronian conflicts to earth and he doesn't want to burden the humans or put them in harm's way for his goals

With ROTB, Paramount made the same mistake as they did for The Last Knight. There were indeed two separate movies as Paramount announced it themselves, the Beast Wars movie and BumbleBee sequel which was described as an Optimus and Bumblebee buddy cop adventure.

The Optimus prime section hits home for me because one of his defining character traits in the bay films is consistently throwing away methods of rebuilding cybertron because every one of them would be at the cost of humanity. Be it all of them dying or slavery. Even him refusing megatron’s truce in the 3rd film can be seen as Optimus being unwilling to risk the threat to humanity Megatron would pose if he is allowed to survive. (Also megatron’s last line of “who would you be without me prime?” Unintentionally did him in. Optimus would never put his own ego over the lives of innocents. Ever.) Even though it would be another step towards cybertronians going extinct. He knows humanity as a whole doesn’t deserve to pay for his mistakes. Even in age of extinction, when without outside influence he hates and fears humanity, he resolves to stop the seed from being activated without outside influence. What Cade’s speech on the ship does is make it clear to Optimus humanity is still worth protecting after the dust settles.

I feel like an obvious improvement for Optimus's character would be if Noah hid the key from him out of the belief that he would sacrifice the Earth to save Cybertron, but then when Optimus finds out he makes it clear that that was never even an option for him, and he's horrified that Noah even believed he was capable of that, and it makes him reflect on how much of an asshole he's been acting like. Maybe also have Noah have a standoffish demeanor himself and that's why he can't get a job, and he and Optimus relate on how hard it is to project strength and control for the people who rely on you, and how buckling under that pressure can turn that image into assholeishness that doesn't benefit anyone, and that ties into the team player theme by having both realize that they can't do good by their people by shouldering all their burdens themselves. You know, or something.

I think a big thing for Optimus Prime killing is that… they are literally at war. That’s the crux of the franchise lmao

What makes Optimus THE Autobot leader is his unnatural optimism and hope that everything will be okay. He will make it a mission to make you smile after a bad day with just as much effort as leading charge to a turning point in the war. I’ll accept any tf content we get but I feel that part of optimus is slowly fading away behind the stoic badass super soldier side of him.

Hoping we get a standalone Rat-a-tat-tat movie one day. It would be amazing to see all his twists and turns brought to life on the big screen.

The fact that geewunners hate bayverse but praise this movie is fucking hilarious 🤣🤣

Did you already make this video? I could have sworn I’ve seen this already

Say whattt Famous RU-vidr Paperplane posted ?? That’s crazy

I'm glad you adress my one problem with the TF community about the "Optimus shouldn't kill" rule. I swear, they take the thing Peter Cullen's brother said to him (Be stong enought to be gentle) WAY too damn seriously. War has always been apart of transformers since its inception. It's hard to fight in a war, but Optimus is supposed to be like Jesus, be a pacifist and never kill. Fuck that, I want a Prime to throw down when when negotiations fail, when there's little to no choice. And I'm not saying he should be a Murder machine, but I'm tired of how many times he's extended an olive branch, only for his hand to be slapped away and to be spat in the face. The community really just wants literal G1 but in live action where they knock each other down a couple of times like a playground fight and call it a day when times up.

“BABE WAKE UP NEW PAPERPLANE VIDEO!!!” type shit.

To be honest I only loved the mirage moments and that’s it

For me, the issiue with optimus isn't killing, but vou brutally he does it in some of the movies, like with the fallen, reaping his spark off for him tô see, shockwave, megatron who wanted a truce. But for me one of the worse is já complaning that primal killed the guy (battletrap) he was about to, like if a war was just a fortnite match, where the focus isn't winning no matter who takes the bad guy out, but taking a kill count for himself, for me this quote was awful

The beginning of the return of one of my favourite Transformers videos ever on RU-vid.

No I’m so happy I literally was checking every week to see if the original version was released from RU-vid prison. Thank you for this :,D

I guess ROTB Optimus keeps calling Bee as "Bee" as reference to "B127" and hasn't decided that "Bumblebee" is a cool name for the dude.

This movie felt so underwhelming for me

The issue with Lorenzo is that in his attempts to promote the films, he says a lot of stuff that is mostly never present in the actual movies. For example, while giving interviews about The Last Knight, he hyped the moments of the film which will explore Optimus and Megatron's backstory but in the actual movie, no such scenes are present and instead there is just a one liner by Optimus about the topic. Sometimes he makes conflicting statements about the nature of the movies which causes confusion in the fandom like the whole reboot vs prequel debate.

Ironic we went from Megatron ripping Jazz in half to Optimus doing the same.

The worst part is that they played it safe making it about action and being easy going instead of making the movie more gritty and story focused. A true sequel to Bumblebee could have been Optimus and the rest of the autobots coming to find Bee and Charlie after they go into hiding or something. A secondary background plot could be Charlie finding this universes Spike and them having a relationship arch and action or deaths being somewhat consistent with the G1 cartoon.

i liked the Bay movies.

YES ITS BACK! AND THE AMAZING INTRO IS BACK TOOO!!!! SO HAPPY

I always felt that this Optimus falls into the same problems that Batman from BvS or even Luke from LotJ. I dont find the change of characterization inherently wrong, but with established characters, with years of mithos backing them, you are kinda force to show why they behave the way they do. If this was another movie, with another main robot character, I wouldnt find it as bad if the start they didnt understand human culture but at the end they gain a love for the world and stuff. I do find faults with it when the main character is Optimus Prime, like, The One Guy who would be accepting of all species/genders/age/etc. If you want to show an Optimus that didnt yet become this way, at least show me why. Is like you said, it feels like this Prime comes from a sequel of a movie that was never made.

PEAK IS BACK!! So glad you were able to grace us with it again!

Interesting how you categorized any kill Optimus did in the Bay movies as 'murders' and anything later as 'kills'. And are very critical of his killing of downed opponents as if it were literally possible for him to take prisoners in any of the films.

I don't understand how anyone can try to make a prequel to TF 07 on anything other than not Earth when you see the Autobot arrive on Earth in that movie! The events of Bumblebee sure since he was already on Earth, but the rest definitely were not.

Cant wait for these vids to get deleted into five parts, and then those get deleted again in a members only video

30:30 “Optimus Prime does *THIS:”* I laughed pretty hard at that piece of commentary. Edit: 32:15 There is a reason behind that. The Autobot-Decepticon war has gone on for a millennia, and Prime watched a lot of his friends die. In fact, I assume he probably ended up killing some of his friends *himself.* And after he died in RotF, he came to terms with the fact that his “pacifist who has an edge” outlook is not what will end the war as soon as possible, so he stopped holding back. Prime in Bayverse was a centuries old battle-hardened war general and acts like anyone would when he saw one of his oldest friends get shot in the back by his old mentor: He goes on a face-destroying rampage. I would too.

The only thing I vehemently disagree with is Bay Prime being a psycho. He’s just a brutal badass who takes faces, gives speeches, and protects humans till given a reason not to. Of course I want more G1 dad Prime. But I will not stand for this slander.

buster says he loved it .... or he's really hungry good stuff man

Say what you want about Micheal Bay but at least he knows how to make a movie entertaining and rise of the best was definitely not entertaining

19:12 thats like saying the wolfenstein games are prequels to the COD modern warfare games, simply because of the year. 😂

I am so glad this is back.

I will be calling TLK “Transformers: The Last Jedi” from now on

I just think overall ROTB was a disappointment and to me wasn’t a proper sequel to Bumblebee. Nor was it the movie I was anticipating for over five years. I’ve lost any hope that the future will hold a transformers film that I can look at and say that I truly enjoyed it through and through. In my opinion I still think that the 2007 film was the best film we ever got and I think I’ll stand on that opinion for ever. In terms of Optimus though. I liked how he was portrayed in the 07 film but if I were to choose my definitive version of Optimus Prime, it would be Transformers Prime. That version of him in my mind is the most purest and true incarnation of the character and what he stands for as a whole.

What's with the reupload?

The two snakes from dotm that you listed are actually one giant Decepticon named Driller!!! I'm angry at this mistake and thus am writing very not nice things to you in this comment D:

As someone who watched the original video of this, I’m honestly confused.

Absolutely digging the pick for music from Bart's level in hit & run.

Bro that Jesus comment was cap

What's the music at the start?

Why are all these letters rotting that is the real question? First S then F and now B?!

0:50 ngl Scourge sounds way cooler like this

Wait, didn’t this video come out already? 😅 or did I just time travel

Name of intro pls

My thoughts on it I feel like he was kinda a ass but not really because most times he dose try to care about his feelings in a good way witch makes since but I feel like it's the story and the writing who made this character wrong Micheal bay and transformers prime with in these shows you can see just him feeling brave to go to war in earth with the despecions I'm wondering if he try to compare the humans as the despecions or not witch makes since to me

Lets hope this one stays up!

Rise of the beast is very dumb and is heavily flawed but I still love it

I was looking for the video the other day i thought i was crazy and made it up

What happened to original long video?

Holy hell, just start!! --Me at the four minute mark of this video

34:19 how was Jesus an "asshole"?

Three things I’d add, the prologue with Optimus monologue after the title drop, perhaps mention an autobot being killed(perhaps later being found at to being a prisoner) by humans, keep the transit scene, and have the hologram execution scene, and then finally have Optimus show Elena a hologram of his home like 07 and include the same characters from the execution, before making a subtle comment about their fate, and then her conversation with Noa would have more weight

Amazing intro and I agree with pretty much all of your points.

I'm kinda sad that unicron never transformed..they really rushed him in this one.

Return of the King

Luv your vids!

did you post this video before i swear i watched it along time ago

Love the video so far, but if I may respectfully request that you take it easy with the Jesus joke bro. 34:18

I like all 5 first transformers-2nd revenge of the fallen dark of the moon age extinction the last knight bumblebee movie and rise of beast all 7 movies i like

HOLY CRAP HE DROPPED A NEW ONE

Paramount the real L for taking down the original video down

Im gonna say it make a live action transformers movie thats actually about the transformers and im not talking about transformers one dont give me that excuse that its too expensive because if they can dump 400 million on avatar they can do this. Im tired of watching a movie called transformers and seeing a person be the main lead and i dont care if someone says you need someone to relate to. Bs because we can relate to a robot or a monster (shrek or walle)

i like the payday 2 music in the intro

45:05 Link? 🤨

Scourge is like part Megatron and part Lockdown. I never understood why people liked Lockdown in AOE I mean he looked cool (when he was wearing the mask) and sounded cool but so did Megatron (I am a g1 fan but I stand by Hugo's casting) and Sentinel. Sentinel had far more character to him and though Megatron was not much better then Lockdown he was in all 5 films

Prime isn’t a psychopath in the Bay movies He kills the deceptions that must be taken down permanently In his universe, as we can see they have no remorse for innocents If we remember the Chicago incident they had a few mother ships and still managed to siege the city As well, we saw how they don’t die easily, they can take a lot of damage He’s strong enough to be gentle, but gentle doesn’t mean not having an edge Prime’s edge is crossed when you harm innocents or his friends

WE'RE SO BACK

To be fair, I am certain that Optimus doesn't *want* Earth to be destroyed if he gets the key. Primal just says he's not willing to risk the key being used to destroy their new home. In any case, I don't think its meant to be interperted as Optimus having the key meaning that it will mean the end for Earth. As for his feelings towards humans, Arcee still mentions in the final movie that if the humans find out about their existence that they will be hunted down.

What happened to part 2?

Actually, I remember 192 of the Transformers names! get it right!

I understand where you're coming from in regards to your points on Optimus's characterization, but I feel i can explain why people find bay prime to be a pyscho and Rotb prime to not be one, and it all comes down to framing. Its the difference between Tim Burton's Batman killing and Zack Snyder's Batman killing. Burton's batman does not revel in the violence and the movies really focus on it. Snyder's Batman is so violent and so merciless and so blatant with his collateral damage that you can't help but be grossed out by it. It doesn't really matter how high prime's body count is movie to movie, it matters how that body count is framed. It will always be way less jarring to see BB Prime shoot eleven guys during a fire fight, than it is to watch bay Prime rip one guy's face in half with two hooks. theres a huge difference between shooting some seekers, and ripping Shockwave's head off and pulling his spine out, while cybertronian blood explodes out like a geyser. It's just too violent, its just too unheroic, Optimus should not be more visibly brutal than Megatron. why is it wrong to shoot Wheeljack in the back of the head while he bags for his life, but okay to do the same to Sentinel? Are the autobots the good guys or aren't they? the autobots kill humans, the autobots are brutal, the autobots order around the human military, so in what way are they better than the decepticon's? the decepticons doing it first, shouldn't make it okay for the autobots to do the same. It will always be less jarring to watch prime brutally murder a character like Scourge than it will be to watch Optimus shoot Sentinel in the back of the head after Sentinel was already defeated and begging for life. Bay Prime is too violent and too merciless for too little reason. I've seen people say "Oh, Sentinel killed Iron hide", and did Prime even like ironhide? when did Prime ever have any moments with ironhide or any Autobot for that matter, where any kind of close relationship was established with any of them. because nobody likes anybody in the bay movies. nobody's close friends with anyone, none of the autobots seem to like each other, everyone in those movies is screaming and yelling and fighting with each other. Megatron ripped Jazz in half and Optimus didn't even think of killing megatron with the allspark, but now Ironhide is too far? Who cares? We don't know any of these characters, nor do we know why any of them dying would be a big deal to Prime, because we only know him as team leader in the bay films. It seems like theres a never ending group of new autobots who show up in every movie, and it seems like Optimus willingly left Cybertron to find the Allspark, so it's not like he's trapped on Earth. The movie gives prime no reason to care about earth, no reason to care about humans and no reason to care about his own men, because none of them have memorable personalities and they're all replaceable. why should Prime care he's been betrayed by humans, the humans all suck and none of them even like each other. Why does Optimus care about how humans treat him, he's not even particularly nice to any of them. He joined the american military and let autobots assist in fighting american enemies so he evidently doesn't seem to view human life as that valuable anyway. In Rotb the film very smartly makes it clear, this team of Autobots is stretched thin and small. optimus clearly wants to go home, and doesn't know how, nor does he really know anything about the human race, other than its not a good idea to let any of them know they exist. They were forced off of cybertron and Earth was the only safe planet they could make any kind of base on. And unlike in the bay films, Prime is very clearly depicted as patriarch of this group of autobots, and unlike a nothing character like Ironhide or Jazz, the audience is already primed to care about bumblebee because he's bumblebee. So Scourge killing him actually matters to both the audience and to Prime. In Robt, there is no never ending supply of random autobots, theres only the few in hiding on Earth, being actively hunted by the deceptions. Any autobot death in Rotb matters in a way it doesn't in the bay films. and unlike Megatron or Sentinel, Scourge is a villain with some actual pathos. He's maniacal, he's dangerous, he takes active pleasure in killing, he jokes, he brags, he's cruel. and unlike Megatron or Sentinel has no ideology to back himself up, he just genuinely enjoys destroying entire planets for Unicron's benefit. There's a huge difference between killing Scourge and killing Megatron and Sentinel. Sentinel was beaten, he was done, his plan failed, he no longer posed a threat to anyone. Scourge was still fighting, still a treat and was a herald of the cosmic world eating alien satan monster. Optimus is way more justified in killing Scourge because we actually care about what he's done, who he's killed, and what he'll do if left alive. Sentinel meanwhile has only killed a guy we have no reason to care about more than anyone else, and unlike Scourge, seems to at least think he's morally correct in trying to save his planet. he doesn't deserve forgiveness, but he doesn't deserve to be shot in the back of the head while he begs for his life either. Why does Megatron deserve to die after saving prime's life? just make him leave. tell him and his army to find some other planet to conquer. theres nothing on Earth Megatron would want anymore and he offers Prime a truce, which is all prime should want. megatron and Sentinel basically pose no threat to anyone any more especially now that their armires have been decimated, optimus should have just taken everyone back to cybertron and put a truce in with megatron to leave each other alone. instead he doesn't and two more movies worth of war happens. There's just a big difference between rotb Prime, who is more violent than I would like, but at least seems to like his crew, has a genuine conversation with the human characters and really grows as a person, and bay prime who hates everyone and everything and screams "I'll kill you" more than he says anything else. There's a big difference between brutally killing Scourge, Herald of Unicron, merciless killer and murderer of bumblebee, and Bay prime who violently rips every enemy apart, kills humans with reckless abandon, seems to hate everyone equally, has no real attachment to any of his men, nor they to him and shoots unarmed combatants in the back of the head and than kills Megatron rather than just take a truce and let the killing end.

I mean… I still _like_ RotB… but yeah… it’s flawed.. I’ll admit.

"Freedom is the wright of all sentient beens that don't stand in my way" bayverse prime 😂😂😂

40:20 hey i brought this up once

I mixed on one hand the action was great but the humans were annoying and i didnt like the absence of the deceptions and the story is another mcguffin but the story isnt the worse and the character atent that badddd so overall 7/10 but i think i wanted a different direction but idk

Part one of the Dissertation 👀🥪

Tbh, I side with Optimus’s hatred of humans, but the film should’ve shown why.

11:09Hands Off Fat Man with the Glasses! 13:12 13:23 13:34A 0% for the Fat Producer with the Glasses LORENZO! 15:47Yes! 16:06 16:12

part 1: phantom beast

*Part 2 down* AWWW, i just finished the first part!

Here for the slander

Its been a while since i watched it, but i didnt get the impression that prime hated humans, more that he just didn't really care about them, which is still bad, but didnt make him totally unsympathetic, and as a more casual transformers fan i wasnt so invested in prime's characterisation that the difference was unacceptable

Ah, so, you're critical to the current regime at Paramount, are you not? If so, I would like you to help me out with something.

@PaperPlane peep the rise of unicron stand united trailer.

13:24 EXCUSE ME THE DIRECTOR HAD THE QUESTION! NOT THE OTHER GUY! Sheeesh! And i thought I would be considered rude.

43:57 the robot

31:30 that's why I like optimus prime better than superman and captain america

Wait, you think Age of Extinction was boring but this one wasn't? Sorry, you lost me there. Bye.

it's ok but nothing beats Bayverse

Surrender Megatron?

Well I think Rise of The Breasts was a 9 out of 10 movie it was pretty good 😁😁