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Trinitarian Heresies: Manichean Sects (Intro to Trinitarian Theology) 

Dr. Jordan B Cooper
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This is the third part in our series of talks on Trinitarian heresies. This covers the Manicheans and some related groups.

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4 авг 2023

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Комментарии : 46   
@omarrivera3936
@omarrivera3936 11 месяцев назад
I’m very grateful for your work and ministry. As someone who was made to feel like I would be compromising the gospel if I was anything but reformed your videos have been refreshing and very educational. May God continue to bless you as you work in as his servant.
@DrJordanBCooper
@DrJordanBCooper 11 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@solafidedeum
@solafidedeum 11 месяцев назад
1 Corinthians 2:10 "These things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God." Let God’s Peace and Grace be with you (To The Reader). Praise God always,.. Amen 🕆🙏🙌
@ryanmunro4438
@ryanmunro4438 11 месяцев назад
Quite the coincidence that this is posted just after I read about St. Augustine leaving Manichaeism in Confessions.
@hermanhale9258
@hermanhale9258 7 месяцев назад
Amazing. I learned a lot. I consider myself a dualist. I like Mani literature.
@vitaignis5594
@vitaignis5594 11 месяцев назад
Do you hold concerns about Augustine struggling with his manichaean past and even at times infusing it into his theology?
@AnthonyL0401
@AnthonyL0401 2 месяца назад
Every philosophy and religion has elements from others, even Christianity. If Jesus is okay with being with sinners, he's okay with someone holding slight variations
@hofii2
@hofii2 11 месяцев назад
I appreciate the "watching and/or listening". I fall into the "and" category. I watch when they come out on RU-vid and then listen (at 1.25 speed) when they hit the podcast RSS feed.
@jonathandoe1367
@jonathandoe1367 10 месяцев назад
Interesting. I just listen to them on RU-vid while playing video games. To each their own! :)
@paulblase3955
@paulblase3955 11 месяцев назад
Could you possibly address the "Pauline vs Petrine" issue? I run into it all the time.
@Silvertestrun
@Silvertestrun 17 дней назад
Thank you!
@pamphilus3652
@pamphilus3652 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the teaching brother it is very helpfull
@vngelicath1580
@vngelicath1580 11 месяцев назад
What is the difference between Augustinian idea(s) like: "having being is participating _in Being_ ..", Sin as privation of The Good (aka "non-Being"), etc. ... And a more Gnostic theory of emanation? Even in Christian neoplatonism, there seems to be an idea of "sliding scale" ontology. I guess I haven't figured out where the line should be drawn.
@Bruno-ov9ew
@Bruno-ov9ew 11 месяцев назад
Dr Cooper, do you plan to do a video on "modern" heresies like kardecism and mormonism?
@winnietheblue3633
@winnietheblue3633 11 месяцев назад
He has done a video on Mormonism
@DrJordanBCooper
@DrJordanBCooper 11 месяцев назад
I do want to cover some modern heresies in this series, yes.
@judahdawkins9635
@judahdawkins9635 11 месяцев назад
brother please please please cover new age, new thought, and philosophy!! and maybe working in biblical theology to combat the christological heresies within those religiophilosophical influences on our culture and even starting invade the thoughts of uncareful believers
@jeffmarlatt6538
@jeffmarlatt6538 Месяц назад
I am aware that there is a so-called "Neo-Manichaeism" religious movement. But I heard that the Manichee religion had gone extinct. What resources can you recommend to learn about the modern day remnant of the original followers of Mani ?
@ulty1472
@ulty1472 9 месяцев назад
13:16 i chuckled at his name being Mani. I was expecting to be like Manichea or something
@lilyduck4538
@lilyduck4538 5 месяцев назад
I chuckled too, the name mani feels very modern somehow doesn't it?
@ulty1472
@ulty1472 5 месяцев назад
@@lilyduck4538 fr
@peterhook2258
@peterhook2258 7 месяцев назад
In light of the most cutting edge academics there is a responsibility to closely view the origination of ideas which were not found in Judaism pre first century that Yeshua's faith brought forth. First Yeshua's faith was very very diverse from literalism to symbolism to anti Jewish roots to pro Jewish roots to a mix. But...what Christianity , Islam and Judaism all have in common is Persian influence. An afterlife, a saviour figure, a coming apocalypse, the spirit world, heaven/hell, satan etc etc etc. All these owe to Persian roots and no mystery as who do you think the priest was who blessed Abraham prior to there being an Abrahamic faith. Zoroastrianism and by extension Manicheanism have more to offer in our understanding of Christ than meets the eye. I always marvel at how Protestant and Restoration Christians doggedly define the Christian position according to Orthodox positions of whom they have actively resisted. Indeed perhaps the true answer to literalism, academics and sectarianism is to go back to the very very diverse early Christian beliefs...all freely thinking and discussing, all brothers and sisters with similarities and differences about even a fundamental thing such as the godhood and personhood of their central figure. What a world we live in where we define our own creeds based on the decisions our opposing authority gives us. all that saye aye aye are in our club all opposed are not. How about if Christ is your anchor you are in, and free to learn and grow among us. What a thought..whod a thunk it. And Christian and pre Christian scriptures? why are we only accepting the current composition, look around...is it working? Truth, Love, Balance and Freedom to think and discuss while still being in community...that is what is needed, or Christianity's crisis will continue to magnify under the onslaught of truth and academics.
@Ben_G_Biegler
@Ben_G_Biegler 11 месяцев назад
When is the book on doctrine of God coming out?
@DrJordanBCooper
@DrJordanBCooper 11 месяцев назад
Fall
@donatist59
@donatist59 5 месяцев назад
This is the first I've ever heard of Manichees still surviving in China today. Would love to see some actual evidence of this. And please don't say "Google it."
@marilynmelzian7370
@marilynmelzian7370 3 месяца назад
In regard to anthropomorphism, I read a Wikipedia article that claimed that the Bible that God has a body.😏
@dekuparadox5972
@dekuparadox5972 11 месяцев назад
I'm confused. So what does God have if He doesn't have a physical body? Like the Bible describes people seeing God's back and other body parts throughout the Bible, so I really don't get it~
@fernandoperez8587
@fernandoperez8587 11 месяцев назад
God is three spiritual (not physical) persons in one being. God the Son is the image of the unseen God (which would include the Father and I suppose the Holy Spirit as well). When ever someone saw God in the Bible they saw the Son unless it specifically says they saw the Father (like in Stephens vision at his martyrdom in Acts 7:56).
@dekuparadox5972
@dekuparadox5972 11 месяцев назад
@@fernandoperez8587 So does God have a spiritual body then?
@janbasdegroot2186
@janbasdegroot2186 11 месяцев назад
The heretics talking about God transcending the trinity in prayer make me think about some radical Protestants, but also Eastern Orthodox who emphasize the essence-energy distinction. Interesting group
@Catholic-Perennialist
@Catholic-Perennialist 11 месяцев назад
It's very hard to not be a dualist when St. Paul throws around terms like "God of this world," in contradistinction to the "unknown God" of Mars Hill.
@litigioussociety4249
@litigioussociety4249 11 месяцев назад
That's only if you don't interpret through the words of Jesus, which makes it clear that it's the 'world of men." Paul isn't suggesting that Satan has a physical dominion over Earth. There are some Mormons who believe something like that, claiming that in Job the gathering of angels are angels who have charge over other worlds. That's a very eisegesis interpretation, reading too much in the text from other sources and beliefs.
@Catholic-Perennialist
@Catholic-Perennialist 11 месяцев назад
@@litigioussociety4249 Satan has such an Imperium on Earth that he can justly offer the kingdoms of the world to whomever will bow down. The scriptures teach a dualism.
@samichjpg
@samichjpg 11 месяцев назад
​@@litigioussociety4249I think you mean eisegesis interpretation
@litigioussociety4249
@litigioussociety4249 11 месяцев назад
@@samichjpg Yes, I was thinking eisegesis and wrote exegesis. 😬
@litigioussociety4249
@litigioussociety4249 11 месяцев назад
@@Catholic-Perennialist He says he can offer that to Jesus; but obviously, it would have failed had Jesus bowed down to him, so that doesn't prove anything. The important thing is that Satan is a created being, and he will also be cast into hellfire at the end of days. You could argue for an imbalanced duality in a sense, but you could argue the same thing within every person when it comes to obeying or disobeying God's will. That's less duality, and more grace and free will imparted from God both to demons and men. The Bible's not too clear on Satan's power in regard to coercion. God can certainly kill and condemn a person. Satan might be able to cause death directly, since Jesus says he has the power to destroy the body but not the soul, but it still seems to be through some more passive or indirect means. I would compare Satan more to an evil general or commander than a literal god, because both have the power to carry out horrific actions, but God still has the power to stop their efforts. True dualism would require Satan to be equal in power to God.
@level98bearhuntingarmor
@level98bearhuntingarmor 11 месяцев назад
Its unfortunate that I can see how these teachings could have fooled people
@peterhook2258
@peterhook2258 7 месяцев назад
on the contrary , its fortunate because it is the divine within you that is aware.something is amiss.
@Daniel12.4Ministry
@Daniel12.4Ministry 26 дней назад
Trinity doctrine was invented in the late second century. Modern Trinity doctrine is very different than the original form. Jesus is a part of the Father and the Spirit is the spirit of Jesus Christ and the Father. "I and my Father are ONE." "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."
@gideonopyotuadebo2304
@gideonopyotuadebo2304 2 месяца назад
The trinitarians have refused to fully repent and fully convert from idolatry unto Godliness and are linging to borrowed idolatrous theoñogy, tradition and frastscontrary to the law of God Yehovah YEHOVAH THE ANOINTER ALONE IS The God The King (Ruler, Head) The Lord (Master) The Lawgiver The Covenantgiver The Judge (Rewarder, Recompenser) The Creator (Maker, Former) The Begetter The Father The Saviour (Redeemer, Deliverer) The Helper The Lover The Blesser Of His Mashiach lord the king, messenger, servant, lawgiver, judge, saviour, prophet, priest, shepherd, son, people. God Yehovah is the owner of the kingdom,, power, throne and people and salvation. The Godship of Yehovah the true God is not an alliance or a union with any other but solely by Yehovah the most high alone. God King Yehovah in council is above all that are around him Yehovah is the Anointer of his anointed (mashiach, christ). God Yehovah is not an anointed (mashiach, christ) Yehovah is the sender of his messenger (angel, sent). God Yehovah is not a messenger (angel, sent). Yehovah is the creator (maker, former) begetter and father of men his sons. God Yehovah is not a son of God nor a man nor a son of man. God Yehovah alone is the most high above all in all. Yehovah has no like, equal or compare, no predecessor, mate or successor. There is none else besides Yehovah THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES YEHOVAH THERE IS NO GOD BEFORE YEHOVAH THERE IS NO GOD WITH YEHOVAH THERE IS NO GOD AFTER YEHOVAH THERE IS NONE ELSE THERE IS NO GOD LIKE YEHOVAH THERE IS NO GOD EQUAL TO YEHOVAH THERE IS NO GOD COMPARED TO YEHOVAH THERE IS NONE ELSE YEHOVAH IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST YEHOVAH HE WAS HE IS HE WILL BE YEHOVAH ALONE IS GOD ALONE IS THE SAVIOUR ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH 1 Kings 1:36 ASV And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada answered the king, and said, Amen: Jehovah, the God of my lord the king, say so too. 1 Chronicles 29:10-12,20 ASV Wherefore David blessed Jehovah before all the assembly; and David said, Blessed be thou, O Jehovah, the God of Israel our father, for ever and ever. [11] Thine, O Jehovah, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Jehovah, and thou art exalted as head above all. [12] Both riches and honor come of thee, and thou rulest over all; and in thy hand is power and might; and in thy hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all. [20] And David said to all the assembly, Now bless Jehovah your God. And all the assembly blessed Jehovah, the God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped Jehovah, and the king.
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 11 месяцев назад
Jordan Cooper: Macedonianism is the only heresy relating to the Holy Spirit Of course the Lutheran simps for Eastern Orthodoxy by not mentioning the Filioque debate
@peccatorjustificatus777
@peccatorjustificatus777 11 месяцев назад
Everybody knows that we Lutherans simp for your mum not for easterners.
@lilyduck4538
@lilyduck4538 5 месяцев назад
What is that debate? I've heard references but it's hard to pin down?
@SojournerDidimus
@SojournerDidimus 11 месяцев назад
This sounds like a proto-bahai faith.
3 месяца назад
You lack the wisdom to speak of this subject. You sure did read a thing or two, but the total lack of wisdom, humility and skepticism is worst than with most hobbyists.
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