Triumph of the Will and the Cinematic Language of Propaganda 

It is. The difference is that their mere sight disturbs our modern sensibilities, only further so with our modern understanding of who the Nazis were, what they stood for, and what they did. So when we see their propaganda, we don’t see it as amazing. We look and kind of see brainwashing and fanaticism and whatnot. ...Though some people still fall for it... (“Pictures of The Madness” had to close the comments section because it was filled with idiots going “Lol, I don’t see any madness, they look clean as fuck”).

@@bigbluebuttonman1137 That's a kind of a good indicator for detecting nazis, actually. They will almost always look at satire or parody about the nazis as fact. An example of this is the Onion's "Grabbler" video. The comments under it are very clearly nazis using dog-whistles to describe the Jewish people.

I see them as weak and flailing, which is dangerous.

@@bigbluebuttonman1137 TIME MAGAZINE didn't "see any madness" within the National Socialists either , when they named Adolph Hitler as "Man of the Year" in 1936. British PM Lloyd George felt the National Socialists looked "clean as fuck" too , when he complimented Hitler as being "the George Washington of Germany" . I do not think you have the foggiest notion of actual history !

It came from a 'nation' that existed less than a century old

Very intentional, and very important.

This is the point of propaganda filmmaking and photography: to take reality and distort it so the viewer is seeing something that is not actually real. It's intentionally biased filmmaking, meant to shove a certain point of view into the mind of the viewer. It uses the tools of filmmaking to do this. If the viewer were to see the actual Nuremburg rally in 1935, he or she would have seen the cameras placed and being moved from place to place, along with the audience members who were not adoring and worshipping the Nazi leaders. Furthermore, the video itself notes the disorder and instability of the German government was intentionally omitted and downplayed in order to project the (imaginary and untrue) image of a united, unified and all-powerful state, worshipped unquestionably by all present.

It's not that what they shot wasn't real, but rather the effects of what was shot and how vs what wasn't. Even a documentary doesn't just 'objectively' capture some event, there's always editorializing going on, and what is motivating that editorializing needs to be considered.

sure, and it also applies, when I am posting here this video of Scientology Media Producitons - while they are not yet so powerfull in fact, they infiltrate everywhere, even in my country, not only as religious group, but in the form of recruiting "front groups" where people dont even realize they are brainwashed ... but the point is equal - spreading message about weolth and power and "saving the world" movement ... dangerous as hell :-(

this is it.... these days ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w5-65i0HMik.html

Chief Rabbi Avner Echoberg-Shekelstein Dabbling in paganism is so Christian.

I'm actually quite curious. In what way is waging war for Lebensraum, killing Jews, Romani and handicapped people, and, as mentioned, dabbling in paganism 100% christian?

The German population was very christian, but the regime of course doesn't like it if a pastor speaks up against them. The people listened to those pastors and that was way they were so dangerous to the regime. But they would have never dared to move away from Christianity. But in the end o course they way acted was not christian, as are many politics still today that call themselves that.

To be fair, this invocation of religious imagery is not always a bad thing; Binding of Isaac uses Christian Imagery to create feelings of extremity and fanaticism in some contexts, as well as redemption and faith in other contexts.

Are you kidding me? Those are certified christianity traits lol Study that religion's history, and you'll see that and more.

"Don't be impertinent," said the King, "and don't look at me like that!" "A cat may look at a king," said Alice. "I've read that in some book, but I don't remember where."

funny to think about humans going nuts and becoming genocidal while cats are just cats no matter the era

When I saw that I thought "don't you fucking dare debase cats like that you Nazi shit"

Ironically he was scared of cat

That's like the most awesome middle finger to the Nazis. That important Nazi building? Now a Burger King f*ck you Hitler, taste our consumerism!

Is it really an insult to the Nazis to take an old thing and re-purpose it? That was their specialty.

It's more an insult because it's a fucking burger king.

Cheezecake Me Lol, just what I was thinking.

Not only that, Zeppelinfeld is now the home field of a local American Football team. I have all kinds of conflicting feelings about that...

Ladifour This sounds like a paraphrased Trump quote.

I think the 36 people who liked my comment were bright enough to understand that without your explanation...

Ladifour sick burn i guess?

A little bit... just the tip

Well, both America and Nazi Germany have megalomaniacal leaders backed by heavy propaganda, advisers with a low profile, fanatical support. I'm not saying it's the exact same thing, but it's pretty damn close. It might be my fear clouding my judgement but I think it's only a matter of time before shit hits the fan

Whoa. Didn't realise that, thanks

One Million seconds is just 11 days, while One Billion seconds is 31 years. And then One Trillion seconds is 31,000 years.

This is still hard to wrap my head around, but slightly less so. Thanks m8

@@stnank Our minds aren't really built for numbers that large. It's very difficult to even contextualize them, let alone trying to comprehend them. 😵

@@Ian_sothejokeworks Kids demonstrate that fact so well when they start learning addition with more than 1 digit. My kids would try to stump us adults with questions like "what's 3 trillion plus 6 trillion" without even thinking it's just 9 followed by 12 zeroes.

useless job

@@voidofspaceandtime4684 I'd say the video kind of proves that the job isn't useless

how's your soul after going through all that?

@@voidofspaceandtime4684 Literally everything in this video and decades of history says it is very, very useful. Just perhaps not a positive force in the world.

Astute and eye-opening.

True. I think in media where the evil regime is entirely fictional this is slightly toned down, but anyone who cannot recognize the fascist nature of the Galactic Empire, and its clear calls to Nazi Germany (for example, through calling their soldiers stormtroopers) is effectively blind to reality. I think the prequels did a really good job of broadening the political commentary of Star Wars to cover fascism in general, even though there are very clear callbacks to Nazi Germany there as well (for example, Emperor Palpatine was initially elected Chancellor Palpatine). I think the real harm comes from other films where the evil, over-the-top villains are LITERALLY Nazis. I think that does far more harm in portraying the evilness of fascism as unreal, something that could only happen in the past or in fiction. When, in reality, there are various fascistic movements happening rn. Even when these movements are not explicitly fascist, they share enough traits with fascism as an ideology to be considered harmful.

And then you have people thinking how cool the "Empire" aesthetic is. There's definitely a problem there in how that conversation developed.

@@CarlMarxPunk It's the same problem that "Fight Club" had, and largely for the same reasons. "Fight Club" is a movie that is fundamentally about how the obsessive, near-fetishistic pursuit of a hypermasculine ideal as defined by American cultural norms in the 1990s and 2000s is destructive to others, to the self, and to the world. It discusses themes of toxic, harmful idealisation of machoism; the obliteration of the self in the quest for an impossible ideal; the selfish, self-obsessed desires of the victims of propaganda to "regain" something they had never actually lost. It's a story about the quest for an emotional panacea to fix the pain and frustration caused by a society in crisis. But, it forgets how many people don't realise that the ideal they're chasing will kill them. They don't realise that one of the main characters is a man who, after chasing masculinity to the point of injecting steroids to become the "true macho man", developed testicular cancer and required a removal... and that this is a metaphor. His quest for the ideal literally emasculated him. It's not even a SUBTLE metaphor. But all people see is that he's now portrayed as weak and womanly and emotionally "soft" and that he clearly "didn't do manliness right". They idealise the villain because they don't understand the metaphor.

Very interesting thought. Actually I came here to watch this video, because shots in the movie "Gladiator" seemed to draw visual parallels to Nazi propaganda movies. The shots were desaturated to the point of almost being black and white and showing a enormous army standing in line at the arrival of Phoenix's character. But here I felt as if the visual parallels were somewhat justified, because they were to a certain extent inevitable, due to the Nazi's use of Roman and Greek architecture and symbols.

Marga Esperanza God damn, that's terrible.

The Philippines came to mind when watching this. God I hope your beautiful country finds peace.

That's the American attitude writ large: the poor are expendable fodder, but here they tell us it's because they're lazy, irresponsible, and didn't try hard enough

This might be an interesting view for you then: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lMbvtmb79N0.html

Two years late, but, my deepest condolences. I had heard of that evil bastard of a president in the Philippines (and how our president praised him) but didn't know it was that bad...and the fact that your very family is content with the heinous consequences of his reign is also relatable. I get frustrated with the apathy, content, and approval of my fellow Americans with politicians who are _plainly_ liars, crooks, war criminals, rapists, thieves, narcissists, and idiots. Not even just dragging Trump, I'm talking about 99% of the lot of them. It infuriates me. But I always tell myself, "If only it were a _little_ bit more obvious. If only they saw a _little_ bit more of their evil"...neglecting that, of course, the evidence of their evil is very easily accessible. But then I hear your story about your country, and I wonder. I wonder how long it would take before the common American populace was apathetic, content, or approving of the murders of children because of their supposed "degeneracy." And then... Now I remember clearly. All the unarmed black children, gunned down police, in plain sight, VIDEOTAPED and showcased online. And then I realize: it's already happening. God, our world is fucked.

A US dollar is a little over a tenth of a millimeter in thickness. If you stacked a million one dollar bills side by side it would cover a length slightly longer than a standard US football field. If you did a billion it would be over 100 km long- not quite as long as Long Island, New York, but almost 2/3rds its length... If you started at the Brooklyn Bridge and started driving east until you hit the mark you'd end up near a place called Yaphank, smack dab in the middle of Suffolk County, miles and miles from the city. A trillion dollar bill stack would encircle the Earth about one and a half times.

I wouldn't call it chilling, because power and money in and of itself is not a bad thing. Its how its used and the imbalance that it can create if its concentrated too centrally. What it really does is just gives you a good scope of personal wealth vs collective wealth, and all those nuances inbetween

It's a REALLY boring film, let's be real.

stellvia hoenheim You say "celebrate" like I ever even pay attention to those.

@stellvia hoenheim Eh I wasn't actually bothered, I just felt like being snarky.

Nac117 I can only ever manage to watch 10 minutes before I get bored. How did you manage? I thought originally it would be very interesting, but it turned out to be astoundingly boring. So much marching. so much shouting and crowds hailing all the time.

@@joellaz9836 " So much marching. so much shouting and crowds hailing all the time." That is what people fascinated back then.

unfortunately in many other parts of the world, too many people are not even aware of that usage in media in the first place, so they cant even recognize why the various images of facist imagery or themes in media are bad fly completely over millions of peoples heads readings and deconstructions like these are so goddamn important. so many people are pushed to discomfort because they dont want to face the mere idea of nazis or facism since it disrupts their entertainment

@Star Trek Theory If that's a joke, then please make it clear. There's all too many people that actually believe this

when you say " fact and fiction are becoming horrifyingly intertwined" I definitely am inclined to agree... although I feel like we are probably talking about two different and opposing sets of fiction.

@@YadonTheCat So you aren't paying attention to who owns Hollywood, gotcha

Lostin Thegarden yeah, you have a playlist called anti-white propaganda with a video about BLM. Fuck your racist bullshit. You think racism is fiction? You think black people not getting murdered is unamerican? Fuck that.

Ooh, I wonder who you could be implying! I'm sure you are neither an antisemite or a xenophobe, of COURSE!@@hegeliandetective1034 The answer being that, no, "they" don't actually own Hollywood, or a majority of Hollywood. Some of Hollywood, sure, but... what does that even mean at that point, unless you want them to... own nothing? Which, of course, we know you do. Your guy literally talks about non-whites and non-Christians "poisoning the blood" of the nation, which.... is just using the exact same language as Hitler. Right before he started to genocide the same people you're dehumanizing here.

Thank God for the cat at the end.

I hadn’t made that connection before but now that you say it, it makes sense.

idrils think about how dictators of extremely poor countries can become absurdly rich, and you get an idea of the power of a motivated state apparatus to spend money on shit.

vaiyt +

Dont forget that the USA's actual amount of taxes available for public services is minuscule compared to the oodles of compulsory contributions spent on tanks, jets, ships, bombs and the 800+ military bases around the globe.

The distinction between influence of a state and a corporation of comparable budget is neoliberal propaganda.

The big difference is that the government in a poor country, regardless of how poor, they have, by virtue of being a national government, the power to force a multinational corporation out of their country. This is rarely done because they would fear having so little money that they starve, but it has been done in places like Cuba.

while we're at it: I think there weren't yet operational concentration camps in 1935 or am I wrong in my time line?

tbretten dachau was opened pretty soon after the "Machtergreifung", i think

it seems you are right! thanks for correcting me L Seb, I learned something today : )

nobletea 3400 again: dachau was opened in 1933. mainly for the internment of dissidents, like communists

Thank you, something felt slightly off. Not off to the point of feeling wrong, but a back of the brain "This feels different from what I know, but why?"

Keep up the fight brother! The Romani are the hidden victims of fascism, not just in Germany but worldwide. Know that us British anti fascists have your back!

As an American I was shocked to learn how much anti-Romani sentiment is still out there in the world too. Should have figured. Prejudice never goes away overnight. Stay well.

May the Romani see the end of their subjugation! 161/45

@@Narokkurai. I bet your tone would change if be hungarian, where they spend more money on bling then food, immigrants get paid better than those who lived and worked here all their lives!

@@DeVolksrepubliek. What subjigation?

Yeah, Dan seems to have had hrmmm...fun? with relevent implications to today...notably the false statistics and the scale on which states can spread propaganda. And most of all...winning all the time and geting tired of winning.

Also stuff like making your ideas seem more universal then they really are. That line about how they excluded the actual German army from the film and made the demonstrably smaller SS look neverending really does bring a lot into question. There were way more of them than Nazi's at that point, they could have stopped that. It reminded me about how Trump lost the popular vote...

Nah, that is NOTHING like what was going on back then. What you're talking about barely even is a blip. It might as well not even exist.

Christ, why are conservatives so aggressively horrible at every opportunity? We get it. Your positions are indefensible in any world where good exists.

Somebody needs to find Jay's strawman and burn it. Then we can stop pretending it's a threat.

Agreed

he has many strong videos

Too strong

And remember the people they killed. The children who were starved, the children who were shot. That is what demonization of whole categories of people leads to.

@stellvia hoenheim nope

ok , how did gypsies steal the german money? they got demonised and killed as well or the disabled who were the first to get killed . or is what you are saying an absolute pile of apologist crap trying to justify the mass killing of people for no other reason than they didnt fit in with the new way .

unfortunately you have been indoctrinated with the victor’s version of the story.

henge hey man, i agree with you. But no need to be rude and condescending. It’s helping your message

+Chief Rabbi Avner Echoberg-Shelelstein "Nazi stronk, Nazi win war"

+Chief Rabbi Avner Echoberg-Shekelstein Molotov-Ribbentrop. It's very obvious, from you username alone, that you have "studied" National Socialism for years, meaning anything you say about history or politics is especially worthless. All fascists are liars.

+Chief Rabbi Avner Echoberg-Shekelstein Tell me more about how in the true, non-Jewish history the glorious Nazi's secretly triumphed. Is Hitler presiding over his Aryan utopia in the basement of the Reichstag to this day?

+Chief Rabbi Avner Echoberg-Shekelstein It's pretty amazing how the Polish waged war in Germany by forcing genocidal Nazi armies to invade and annex half their country

Why should I trust a rabbi? You are probably just giving me Israeli talking points.

Well, it is a documentary about their national party convention. Of course it's boring as hell.

well yeah? its 1. documentary and therfore not suüposed to have the structure we have of the hero shit ad second.. one element of propaganda is its repetition. It has to be easy to grasp even for the slowest of thinkers and then it needs to be repeated agaon and again to hammer in how nice the bg event is, how great a group, how uplifiting the feeling to be part of a bigger whole. I think that's hat dan is missing- that all those kow techniques were used together (which was unusual for that time) not to suggest that nazis had money enough to put 150 cameras around the parteitag and have leni organize and do the whole choreography- but that they were a big group that only wants the best (and no mention of genocide.directly)for all and that its so nice to be a part of a big powerful group.. also dan for fucks sake please fucking look how to fucking pronounce those names.. its röhm, the ö is like the o in word. not like the O on tone. and the I in triumph is pronounced like the ea in dear. "trea-umpf."

littlemissleeches Documentaries can be pretty entertaining if done right. Though this was obviously before we really figured out how to make documentaries entertaining. Imagine what it would be like if it had been made today though. Probably a bit like those History Channel "documentaries".

I really think the boredom is part of the point: if you purposely bore people to mental numbness while simultaneously screaming at them "OMG THIS IS THE GREATEST THING EVER LOOK HOW AMAZING IT IS", then they start to doubt themselves and their own ability to tell art from sh**. Once you can dislocate their own internal critical apparatae then you can get them to accept whatever critical judgements you tell them, b/c *obviously* you know what *art* is much better than they do.

You know what, I haven't done a video on the edit AS comedy, and I agree, I should. Archer, Hot Fuzz, Venture Brothers, lots of great examples out there.

Every Frame A Painting did a very good video on Edgar Wright and editing in comedies.

Wright edits funny images together, and he absolutely uses his sense of comic timing to help the edit contribute to rather than slow down the humor. The cuts have to be timed right to keep the laugh rolling, and yeah, he's a master at that, because he's got a fantastic sense of timing. But e.g. Wright's little mini-montage establishing shots that he does - obviously they're funny, and the edits are part of those, but the humor of those comes more from the novelty of the technique or a funny look on Simon Pegg's face. I think I'm getting at something else. Or at least a broader category that includes that. It's this idea of this very fundamental winding of the edit into the fabric of the bit. Think more along the lines of writing a joke that requires a cut as opposed to editing funny images together with good comic timing. Those places where the cut - or the lack of a cut - IS the joke, i.e. the two frames or scenes side-by-side IS what gets the laugh. Or the laugh comes from the FAILURE to cut - you sit there looking awkwardly at the screen, and you feel just as uncomfortable as the characters. The Office and Parks and Rec did that all the time. Because a cut is fundamentally a jarring thing, it can (if you do it right) plus-up the humor by tossing in that little bit of extra *hnngh* - the cut throws you off balance so the joke catches you even harder. Archer to me is the ur-example of this, but I'm sure Dan knows of plenty more. Cutting funny shots together in a funny way like Wright does, which I agree is great and worthwhile, is only part of what I'm getting at. Archer in particular - the way they cut dialogue and image together so that they can take you half way around the world in the middle of a sentence - a joke, even - and you don't miss a beat plot-wise AND you still laugh. Like, that's INCREDIBLY hard to do - I can't think of too many examples of that. Every Frame a Painting I thought was more about ... ahem ... the frame than it was about the edit.

I was thinking about this overnight (and also watching some of my favorite episodes of Archer): Un Chien Tangerine from season 4 has a great example of what I'm talking about: they set up a bit where Cheryl - Mallory's receptionist - gets a call from Lana; Lana wants to talk to Mallory. Mallory tells Cheryl "I'm not here," which makes Cheryl really uncomfortable. Part of Cheryl's character established across the series is that she's very much *not all there*. So Mallory explains that "I'm not here" is meant as a way to get rid of the call to Lana. Cheryl is incredulous - it's obvious she's no longer sure whether Mallory is real or not - but she goes along. Fast forward a couple scenes and Lana is fuming that Mallory didn't take her call. Archer tries to reassure her - they're in Tangiers, so the home office is five hours behind them. Lana snaps: "Oh please. She's totally there." Then: mash cut to Cheryl spying on Mallory through a mirror to see if she /really is/ there. There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of examples of this kind of joke that requires the edit to pay off. The two scenes required for setup and punchline happen concurrently, but halfway around the world from each other.

I think Wright's Scott Pilgrim is chock-full of these kinds of edits.

Because history classes are too chickenshit to tell you the real reason it happened.

I've tried to watch it so many times, but I always only last 15 minutes then I start skipping to better more interesting scenes, but there isn't any so I just give up again.

Clams Cartel While most of the film is either striking framing with nothing much going on or just boring, Hitler's speech is hypnotic in a legitimately unsettling way where it is clearly meant to be rousing, and the crowd response makes it scarier given that, even setting aside who he is, they are cheering on a foamy-mouthed man literally screaming about rigor mortis.

+Clams Cartel It is boring to us modern viewers because we are accustomed to very exciting films.

+Clams Cartel Moreover, the taste in music has changed.

Greatness isn't based on your personal enjoyment, moron. It doesn't depend on how much fun you had with it. It's the competence of the techniques on display, mastery of the language, and more importantly the impact of the work. This is still one of the most impactful works of the past century (even if it was flamed by the people who made it), a prime example of its field, and a prime example of the real potential this medium can be used for, therefore elevating it. Leni took what came before and heightened it to an extent never really felt before, or at least not since Birth of a Nation 30 years earlier - even then, this was a significant refinement of it. Even if you find a monument boring, that doesn't change it being a monument.

Lmao I liked it

Oh, "Went the Day Well?"! That one goes unusually dark for a propaganda piece, doesn't it? And it was directed by Alberto Cavalcanti, poor man! Born in Brazil, made a modicum of success in England, was invited to direct his country's major (coughcough only cough cough) studio... only for him to be met with a burgeoning group of nationalistic experimental directors who thought he was way too "foreign" and square, so they hounded him day and night, sabotaged his productions, defamed him and eventually exposed to the press the fact that he was gay, in a country and time where that could (and would) destroy a man's carreer, so Cavalcanti got extremely depressed, left Brazil for good and never recovered. All that only for the studio to go bankrupt a hot second after he left because those avantgard movies they were so protective of were not paying the bills, anyway. (sigh) btw, Dead of Night is amazing and Cavalcanti's part in that is a classic.

That's pretty much fascism all the way to the ground. "Well it sounds cool, so let's do that." "But it's awful!" "Yes, but it ~sounds cool~."

Really? Oh crap!

Conservapedia had an ideological purge as well. RationalWiki deemed it The Night of Blunt Knives in mockery.

As a child I thought that the Kristalnacht sounded so nice "A Crystal Night? How poetic!"

That's why AC/DC made a song with that title.

it's not an "aspirational example" of effective propaganda because.... it's exactly an excellent example of effective propaganda? every word this man said was an implicit endorsement lol

@@blank4227 No, what Dan was saying was that while it might be effective propaganda, its otherwise boring movie that's only notable feature was how much money was spent in making it.

@@Estarile you contradict yourself. if it is actually was effective propaganda (and Dan is scared by this, hence the reason to make the video) then it has obviously has more notable features than money spent. And of course, if one of its notable features was its effectiveness, then... haha!

@@blank4227 your not making sense.

@@Estarile You can break sentences up into smaller parts whenever you see a comma, and ask yourself if they make sense. How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?

@FusionY7 but all the achieved was death and failure which is basically Nothing

Funny you mention beer and cola companies. Before the second world war, swastikas were used a lot by coca cola, and by a lot of beer companies on their bottles. Google "coca cola swastika". See the keyrings/badges they used to sell as merch in the shape of a swastika. I'm not making this up. Swastikas were widely used in the west until world war II.

@@duffman18 And? The Nazi just stole the swastika for themselves and tainted the symbol, they didn't invent it.

Yeah, a world war against 4 super powers...

@@helmortkuper2626 but shouldnt the most powerful military state in all of europe be able to match 4 superpowers, I mean they are the most powerful military state in all of europe ;3

@@just-mees no they should not

>convinces itself its the most powerful ideology ever >loses one (1) war >all of its deeply wounded foes quake in their boots at the mere mention of them, and at any tiny potential hint of its return >to this day the world is full of an ever-growing despair that its eternal return is inevitable wow

@@blank4227 did you just not watch this video? the fear of the return of nazism is from decades of consumption of art like star wars inspired by the depiction of fascism in triumph des willens. the nazis elicit fear because we have institutionalized an understanding based on taking their word at face value. what people are usually more scared of when they elicit nazism is its proponents and the proponents of fascism as a whole’s propensity for political violence against marginalized groups. other than the chinese and russians fighting for ideological purity, who are democidal rather than genocidal, no other political cohort has come close in attempting genocide, lest by emulating fascist methodologies from the 30s and 40s.

Cem, Tamam ! astute observation.

I doubt it was about the money and we probably don't know if it made its money back.

Didn't make its money back but that doesn't mean it wasn't successful. Certainly made it easier for people to swallow the deaths of millions of people

Ndesire ... I was making a joke, guys.

"Intolerance" is generally seen as the first big expensive moneysink blockbuster that didn't even make its money back. Though that one wasn't nearly as stupid.

As far as trolls go, this is just boring. Not even at the level of lame, just boring.

It's it nice?

anyone else here from communism, monarchy, and fascism? because that's what the three arrows actually target.

Sorta! I discovered Folding Ideas long before PH, but it was PH's response to this video that led me to it.

@@voidofspaceandtime4684 ? I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. The three arrows DO signify opposition to these ideas, but it's unclear from your comment and its tone whether you think they signify opposition or support.

Minor mistakes can also just be called an accent lol. It usually takes decades to eliminate any trace of an accent even in a language you have fluency in

This gets into a deeper subject of value sets. Why We Fight still operates on this non-arc, but its framed around a different set of values, namely the much more Protestant salt-of-the-earth self-image. It still routinely frames America as an unstoppable force, though by virtue of hard work, determination, and sacrifice, in contrast to the Nazi value set of inherent superiority, aggression, and naked strength. A big part of what makes Why We Fight seem a little less absurd is the fact that the Nazis were actually a real military threat, as opposed to an invented enemy, and in retrospect were some of history's greatest monsters. It's still propaganda, but Capra didn't need to bend the truth very far to hit the mark. The more direct answer would be to look at what 'heroism' means in the context of the culture producing the propaganda. One thing propaganda is actually great for is figuring out what a culture thinks of itself, what it figures its values are.

ok you have a wife WE GET IT

There is nothing wrong with being lonely Phobe.

Esther haha you saw right thru me! thanks for the kind words.

I finally got my fiance to watch him 2 nights ago, she really enjoys him but her short attention spam can't really keep up with what he's saying for more than 7 or 8 minutes. Only when we both watch the video together, or it's the shadow of the colossus video, does she sit through the entire thing.

Art Souls you have a wife? BOI dat ghey

kyle kallgren did one!

@@jogeller5731 Ooo! Where is it?

I know. If only Birth of a Nation also turned out to be derivative, we'd be set tbh.

Just the Coolest Dude Yo buddy, I have some good news for you.

@@justthecoolestdudeyo9446 It is. Feature Length movies were already a thing. Close up shots were already a thing. Birth of a Nation did nothing but popularize it.

@@ysgatora9287 I'm very glad to know that! I shouldn't be surprised that people with such a conservative, rigidly hierarchical view of the world would be unlikely to come up with a ton of innovation

​@@justthecoolestdudeyo9446 If you're looking for direct rebuttals of BoaN as "seminal cinema," Kyle Kallgren from Brows Held High has a good one, and Fritzi Kramer from the blog Movies Silently has written about it (including the "first movie shown at the White House" canard).

Wow, first time I've seen someone mention "Went the Day Well"! It is a movie by Alberto Cavalcanti, a Brazilian born director (he also directed the most famous segment in British horror classic "Dead of Night" in the 40's, in which a ventriloquist dummy may or may not be alive - a trope that keeps on giving to this day, lol). "Went the Day Well" was, in fact, not very well received, for what I've learned, because it was seen as chilling but also a tad *too* grim for audiences at the time. Poor Cavalcanti had a lot of troubles throughout his carrer. His eviction from Brazil, in particular, is kind of a shameful bit in our cinematic history, and was a big part in the death of Brazilian cinema (it took a few decades for it to be reborn).

Deponensvogel True that! We were talking about it in school and it's quite bizarre to hear about Nazi-Germany and their defeat in German language. Ironic even!

Many years ago I visited London and often saw ads for the bookmaking firm of Margolies and Ridley. "You win when you lose at Margolies and Ridley!". Maybe they had a gimmick where you earned points just for betting. Years later it became the central slogan of Republicanism in the US.