TROY, 2004 

Lol. If he had been a real person, I’m sure he wouldn’t be too happy with the way he has been remembered. People usually only talk about him when referring to their weaknesses (their Achilles Heel). I’m sure the last thing he would have wanted is to be remembered for his weakness.

Imagine being such a chad-super saiying-überhuman warrior that the thing you´re most remembered for is your one weakness

They will remember you dragging poor old Priam's boy behind your chariot... like some drunken jock.

Indeed

Lol, made my day.

Yeah but what he got in the underworld would not have changed if he became that farmer, and they knew it. That what Odysseus saw down there was every Greek hope for the afterlife. So the best You can get here as inmortality, the inmortality Achilles speaks of in the movie, is the one You achieve by being remenbered eternally,letting for the ones who come after the knowledge of what you did and who You were.

A most profound passage...Fagles translation: Better to be the most miserably treated slave of the cruelest Master, than to be King of the Underworld.

@@ramsesleon86 it's more that it's not worth anything to have your name remembered, and that in fact the best thing in life is to live well and long.

I fought Achilies in AC Odyssey as Alexios in the underworld.

@@DebrisMeadon A long good life may be preferable to the chimera of glory. But what about more noble reasons? Would you say the same of soldiers (in defensive wars) or rescue workers who risk their lives for others?

Great imagination

Reading Troy? You mean Iliad

@@aquarelhearts8248 Yeah, tnx😁

That's called imagination,btw you look great into your late 30's ;)

@@thalessilva1 Tnx😄

That was filmed on the beautiful island of Gozo :)

Honestly the film isn't that bad. Like it has some questionable changes like changing Paris and Helen to be star crossed doomed lovers instead of a coward who doomed his nation and a woman who had little to no agence for her entire life. (Like seriously kidnapped by Theseus, kidnapped by Paris, which was influenced by the fact that Aprhodite was probably jealous of her, Eneas trying to murder her and blaming her for Troy's fall, like give the woman a break), demonizing most of the Greeks (don't get me wrong, Agamenon was perfectlt portrayed as the asshole that he was in the Iliad, but Menelaus wasn't that bad. Granted Odysseus was pretty well characterized and while I'm sad for the lack of Diomedes' badassery, I'm somewhat glad they skipped one of the Ajax's moee troubling issues). But all around a pretty good movie. I mean it obviously isn't myth accuarate by a long shot but still.

@@albaX209 No, it was in Larissa

@@shortcrypto7490 No, wrong mate. The first 2 and a half mins are filmed in Dwejra, Gozo.

Where is that from? The illiad?

@@Harogrim odyssey

The Greek underworld was a dreary place filled with ghosts. Only later, with the rise of the philosophy of Platonism and the planetary spheres, was there a possible heaven above the earth, in the company of the celestial gods, earned through raising ones consciousness through reason, self control and pious living.

@Creepy Hair Sniffer Odysseus visits Hades during the Odyssey and meets the ghosts of many of the dead, who died in the trojan war. He speaks to the ghost of Achilles among others.

Of course Homer would say that, he was an old man.

My mum always said this to me when I left the house, she always was a drama queen

@@jamofbob715 Perhaps she is right.

@@jamofbob715 Your mom gave you great wisdom

Not really, Thetis was a sea nymph, young and beautiful. She did play her role well though.

@Finn MacCool True. Thanks.

@Finn MacCool Good point. And she delivered the lines with just the right emphasis - an immortal who has already come to terms with the fact that her son will only have a short life, but still rather not lose him sooner than she must, yet also giving him the divine guidance he needs.

@@mikem9001 Is Thetis definitely a sea nymph here? I mean she looks old enough to be his mother as a mortal, but the way she talks about the future you'd think she is divine.

@@peredhilh3444 Oh dear, poor Julie Christie - still, actresses can't always be young and hot. ;o) But yes, I agree, she speaks of the future as though she is divine, and Pitt's Achilles accepts it that way. After she gives her prophecy he says only "You know this to be true?". When she says Yes, that is the end of the matter, for him.

No, not really. Odysseus is just as proud of his cunning wit. He plots to kill an equally smart hero so he can be the smartest guy in the army. He also brags about blinding the Cyclops, which is why Poseidon gets pissed at him.

@Lzb Lmvm It's almost like he has some respect for his mother?

@Lzb Lmvm not a woman, his mother, i pity you

Magic word SAGAPO dos his name , Achilles have a meaning in Greek?

@The Foolish Thief man it's a joke. I am from Greece and men here would probably leave their parents house at 30-35 years old, and even when they are married, ask their mother about cooking, doctors, advices more than their own wives. It's not about respet. And by the way i said it's a joke

@@AndroidZeus-ly6qq i don't really know. Google it..

Ακόμα τον θυμούνται και θα τον θυμούνται για πάντα

Is there some kind of name or idiom in grecce for that situation, where you die young but die for ideal and glory, short but famous life (as Alexander)?

@@JustMe-wm9zg yes there is, it is called υστεροφημία, namely the fame you leave after death

@@user-zh9hk9ov5d is there any book or poem that deeply talks about that, about fame after death you leave behind or kleos.Are there more figures in greece mythology like Achilles, Codrus?

@@JustMe-wm9zg every greek hero wanted to leave a good name after his death, for example all the greek lords who participated in troyan war ( ajax, odysseus, patroclus, diomedes). As for book or a poem, you can check out a poem by Kabafis which is called thermopylae Here is one link brushheadmusings.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/thermopylae-a-poem-on-the-good-kind-of-life/

Theone whofoght me too brother

Thats why no one will remember your name

Ahmed Al great movie dialogue ..any Original idea ??

@@ahmedal816 I don't care !

@@loveissalvation7268 hahaha you MUST

@Semper fidelis Semper Paratus Wanting your name to be remembered comes from ego. I would rather have a happy and fulfilling life than sacrifice my life for my ego.

@Semper fidelis Semper Paratus Well, in the times of Achilles, it must have been more important to be remembered because photography, audio, and video did not exist. But now, anybody can be remembered forever through these things.

@Semper fidelis Semper Paratus ;-)

Semper fidelis Semper Paratus exactly, even in the movie I think Achilles realised this and choose the happy content life and was about to sail back home the next day, but then it all changed when his cousin got killed

i think both paths are noble by itself.

Yeah, he looked more like 30.

"Ridiculously good looking." That's what they said about Derek Zoolander

The glory of masterfully massacring people isn't exactly the glory I'd like to be known and remembered for.

@@-DigitalExcel don't mix today's concept of glory with the ancient greece concept of glory

@@polillafly2863 I don't. Ancient Greece had scientists, orators, philosophers, writers and great thinkers still. They were too respected and remembered. One always has a choice how to go down in history.

@@-DigitalExcel Every profession was valid in ancient Greece - including the profession of masterfully massacring people.

@@mikem9001 I'm aware of that, thank you.

No, the reason is the Ottoman Empire.

God, I know, right? Every single time I hear about him or any of these characters, these actors are all I can imagine.

Me too i be like the real achilles had to have brad pitts face lmao

Hahahahaha. Yes, Orlando Bloom is the only Paris for me. I could only imagine him as the only Prince Paris/Alexandros of Troy.

Stupid vanity

You are right I fink the world need to remember your name

Thing about that is, your name will fade eventually. It's not like humanity is gonna last forever lol

@@dw3134 but as long as humanity exist the name Achilles will be remembered. Much like Alexander the Great,he has been dead over 2000 years and he is still remembered is one of the greatest warriors and general's in history.

You can have both

Magnum!

In this movie everyone is just human

@@Nnnnn636 find out what Achilles mother was the goddess of and then see where he talks to her the director wants to leave it up to your imagination

​@@Nnnnn636 Achilles accepts his mother's prophecy as truth, because he knows she is a goddess. He says to Briseis "I have seen them [i.e. the Gods]". When the boy says "They say your mother is an immortal godess", he doesn't deny it.

@@mikem9001 in this movie everyone is just human. This movie is based on thr realistic story of troy.

@@Nnnnn636 That's clearly incorrect. For starters, its based on the Iliad where Gods are real. Then we have the appearance here of Thetis, whom Achilles accepts as having immortal knowledge. Then we have Achilles' statement to Briseis "I know more about the Gods than your priests - I have seen them!". He then explains to Briseis why the Gods envy humans. There is no doubt that the movie treats the gods as real.

Its in human nature...

That's because you're a pleb

Olga Chafeeva that’s a funny fuckin joke for a slew of reasons

Agreed

Immortal? He is dead. The only man I know thats will be remembered forever is *Jesus Christ* for He left his glory in heaven to gave his life on earth for humanity and their sins on the cross. Jesus Christ then rose from the death again.

@@liiporta7964 Jesus rose from the dead..... yep, no problem your right to believe in that nonsense (Jesus's ressurection, I mean) In physical form Jesus is as dead as Achilles! Achilles and Jesus are immortal because we still speak their names and remember their deeds, that's what makes them immortal.......their names will never be forgotten!

Hercules got it rigth xDachiles is refered to.a weakness

@Olias that feelings when someone missed the joke, is all I have ever wanted. Hhhhhhh

Not yet bro

Its a Stupid top gear joke

RU-vid recommendations?

She is a beautiful woman, but its more her stage presence: Thetis (Achilles mother) was an immortal nymph, forever young and beautiful. But Julie Christie's ethereal acting makes us forget her age and just be carried away with the moment.

@@arnabdas7019 Julie Christie played Lara in Dr Zhivago.

@@arnabdas7019 Swami Vivekananda on the profile picture. Do you know enough about him? Curious.

@@TheAlexmercer360batmanfan i know some stuff. What about you?

i agree about the ego but personally i think everyone should strive for greatness in life :)

thales silva I agree some of us are scared of success just as much as failure so they don’t try.

A soyboy I presume

@@JT-xj1pg The fact you and I are able to converse like this proves that living is the best.

Troy has orginal story. I guess the only thing he is good at is adapting original source and recreate

GoT was ruined the same way manga turned into anime gets ruined. NEVER start a story if the source material is incomplete. Simple as that.

Well,. he dies either way. Its just a question of the timing, and the memories.

Umesh Verma that’s normal thinking. His god given talent was combat, if he didn’t go it would have eaten him alive for the rest of his life!

@@garethcampbell6299 maybe he would have gotten over it. His mother said he will live a happy life. He was ready to ditch the Trojan war with Briseis and he told her that she gave him 'peace in the middle of war'. Achilles realized in the end that there was more to life than glory and combat, but his fate was sealed the moment he left Greece's shores.

She was neither encouraging nor discouraging him. She is immortal and her son is mortal, so one way or another she wil be parted from him, whether its this year or in 50 years' time. But he needs counsel in order to make up his mind, so she brings him divine prophecy, telling him accurately what his choices will mean. If he doesn't go to Troy he will be forgotten in three generations. Its his choice. Since she foresaw this moment before he was born, she probably also knows what choice he will make.

I agree, except I don't think she wanted or needed her own name to be remembered. She is immortal, so sooner or later she will be parted from him whatever he does. But she loves him and gives him what he needs. In this case, he needs prophecy, i.e. the truth about what his choice means, so he can make the right decision. And she has foreseen this since before he was born.

@Lzb Lmvm she's immortal, she's most definitely stronger than humans and does not fear anything. She worries for him. It's every mother's nature to worry for her son.

@Lzb Lmvm Sexist pig.

@@outis439-A *BACK TO THE KITCHEN AND I MEAN RIGHT NOW*

@TwitchtvTrigun52 See thats your problem with women. You underestimate them and dont hold them to your eye level. They then get out of sight and run wild over your esteem.

get a lot of men too

picky, picky, picky

Yes, but somewhere I read she's not portrayed as a goddess but a normal human being

@@SabreToothGirl Maybe she is a goddes in this scene. Is said that Thesis appears around water, like in this clip. Also, she predicts Achilles future and knew long before he was born that the kings will come for him to fight in Troy

Emili Stack AND THAT BELT FROM FASHION NOVA

It's Candy Time Boys and Girls my wp 03443283504

you've rather low standards

his cousin

In the original stories (the Iliad), Patroclus is not his lover. Achilles has relations with three women. His cousin Patroclus approves of Briseis and hopes she and Achilles will marry.

He chosed glory

He didnt go to hell. He went to hades. Different place, different concept

@@qb6570 explain to me, what is this place? is it like a middle ground between heaven and hell?

@@Ivan-jl6cf1 Hell in Abrahamic religions is a place for "bad" people. Hades is another name for the underworld named for its King, Hades. ALL of the dead goes to Hades good and bad to be sent to their final place.

@Will The point is that both he and she believe that she is speaking divine truth. So Achilles doesn't question what she says.

Believe me during that time I think she knows you can stay here have a family and be happy but if you want to go because you want to then follow Glory but try to come back alive if not it's been nice knowing you. That's what every military mom should feel like with there child

My mother told the same thing to my sister before she went her tour. I wish she had listen to her.

He was a warrior who embodied the virtues and values of his warrior culture. He was also a demi-God so he saw things in a different perspective. For us, even 1 extra year of life is crucial, whereas he sees that whether he lives 20 years or 70 years, its really just a blink in eternity and he will be dead at the end of it regardless.

Back in the day , most of warrants and war lords had tis warrior’s culture where they would rather take arts and have à glorious death instead of backing off from à challenge and live the life of à nobody ,,,,look at the spartans exemple , look at spartacus and his followers

Not at all , they looked more like hector and Paris , as they do today

Not sure how you got that impression. Given her obvious gift for prophecy it appears to imply she was indeed a goddess.

@@joshlight6892 That sound more like a mother's common sense than a prophecy to me

@@elnombredelarosa3167 can't agree. Common sense she would have told him he MAY never come home. She pretty much stated it as a fact, if he went to Troy he would die no ifs ands or buts about it. How could she know this for a fact without being a goddess or some type of prophetess? Achilles was the world's greatest warrior and was fighting a type of warfare where that mattered a lot to survival even if it didn't guarantee it. It was not illogical to think he had a good chance to survive if he went to Troy. It was by no means a certainty, because as we saw even the greatest warriors can die in war and he got taken out by a punk attack by Paris. But that was not certain to happen unless it was written by some higher power, in the case of Greek mythology fate which was stronger even than the Gods.

@@joshlight6892 Thats a lot of assumptions from an offhanded comment

www.google.com/search?q=where+was+troy+filmed&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS577US577&oq=where+was+troy+filmed&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.3487j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Looks like the amalfi area in Italy, but it could be Greece or Malta

Malta