I live in Pennsylvania and am thinking about a 3500 Duramax brand new would you delete it if it was you I don't know anything about a diesel never owned one
@@mddunlap03 good news is there are multiple low soot producing tunes. I could probably get away with driving through Main Street (any California City) and not get questioned.
@@krisone63, I call bull shit! They will pull you over here also. Yes it depends on where you are because some areas are strict while others are not. I’ve been driving diesels > 40 years. If everyone ran a light smoke tune we would not be in the position we find ourselves in. (EPA handing out business closing fine amounts).
I'm building an lly. Not for big power. But reliability. Being a truck driver. That egr valve was the first thing to go. Emissions crap has left me stranded more times then I can count.... This will be my first diesel pickup though. Fingers crossed Also. Then engine was plugged nearly solid with soot. 500k km's on the odometer. Here's to a million more
@@Yippa391 That's why I still love my 2004 6.0 Powerstroke. Bought it back in 2010 and EGR Deleted it and head studded it and it's been an absolute gem of a truck!!
I commend you for making a video on the subject as enforcement of emissions equipment on diesels is being ramped up.I am a diesel mechanic I work on mostly heavy trucks Macks international freight liner,I owned 4 diesel pick ups myself,Once the DPF came out I stopped buying diesel trucks. Some of your information is a little bit incorrect and I would like to make you aware of it. You stated that DEF fluid was brought out because people were complaining about poor fuel mileage.DEF fluid came out because there was no other way to reduce NOX emissions enough to meet tier 4 final Emissions levels without it. International Did not use def fluid until 2015 they use a very high percentage of EGR from 2011 to 2014 to supposedly meet tier 4. final emissions.Their trucks did not meet emissions standards ,eventually international was fined a tremendous amount of money, I believe that the only reason they let the company stay in business is because they were such a high percentage of their trucks that are school buses and municipal trucks and if the company was put out of business it would have a huge effect on the entire trucking industry.Not only did they not make the emissions without it the EGR coolers failed an alarming rate because you’re running a very high percentage of egr was causing egr coolers to crack sometimes every 8-10,000 miles, and it was causing engine oil to be contaminated very quickly. By using Def fluid, The auto makers were able to drastically cut the amount of EGR needed this helps keep the engine oil cleaner , and reduce the pressure on the EGR cooler and cooling system of the engine.The other mistake you stated was that DEF is injected while the truck is in regen or burning off, That is true but DEF is also injected anytime the engine is up to temperature it’s injected slowly insteadily. The systems are getting better they are now installed on new trucks as a module containing the DIesel oxidizing Catalyst,The DPF and the DEF injector nozzle. One area where big trucks and light pick ups differ is the way they inject the diesel fuel large trucks use what’s called a doser behind the turbo charger,I think the Duramax uses this as well I know that early Fords used extra fuel in cylinders seven and eight, That just washed down those cylinders and ate the rings. The doser injector is a way better system. In United States while it may be legal locally in certain areas do not have an emissions inspection it is still illegal in all 50 states to remove any emissions control device from any vehicle for on road purposes. Here in New York commercial truck inspectors know what to look for if you have a 2008 and newer truck and you’re right rear fender has soot on it,And you’re driving in Rockland County or further south where they have DEMA ,which is “diesel emissions metropolitan area” regulations, you may get pulled over and inspected. I personally can’t stand the DEF systems, They have caused our large plow trucks to go down like you said for weeks at a time, our trucks are kind of important m since they’re plowing town roads are they useless sitting on the side of the road idling with a triangle on the dash board. .I have to go out with a scanner and do a forced regen ,Which can take up to 45 minutes in order to just be able to drive the truck back to the shop. Unfortunately this happens with brand new trucks like you said the cold weather and the roads are are not friendly with DEF heaters or lines.
Very good write up. I used to live in Rockland County as well. Right on RT 306 in Westley hills. Although that was many years ago no one bothered us for much of anything other than fireworks on the 4th lol.
My son lives in Maine where they have to get an inspection yearly. They’re really strict and almost every year they find something minor he has to fix and he’s pretty good about his maintenance. So there’s no way you could have a deleted pickup there.
Out of control government is the biggest reason to delete your truck. If no one pushes back they will push even harder and faster with their regulations and laws
Love this comment.... The realest I ever heard. Trucks don't need that. That's choking these trucks. They want to control... Man what about ships and planes chemical plants? They wide open.... Smdh
@dontfit6380 actually pushing back can lead to retaliatory regulations, laws, and increased penalties. The best form of pushback is when it is undetected, up until nearly everyone has done it. If by the time daddy finds out, they find out only 10% complied, they're far less likely to try and punish those who didn't. But if you rebelliously just do it yourself and flaunt it, you'll get busted and make things worse for everyone.
Thanks for this! I feel like I can communicate w my bf a little better instead of just standing there nodding while everything he says goes flying over my head!😂
I recently did mine. EGR, pipes, throttle and re-program. I am amazed how much better this rig runs now. Now I'm freaked out about the grid heater, so I plan to yank that out as well and install a GMC type heater in the intake horn. I do a lot of rural of highway driving, no city. I average 21.5 MPG if I baby her. I did it because the EGR was failing, soot was filling up my engine oil, temps were also running high. The delete fixed everything.
You just told the EPA you committed a crime. One day the EPA, using AI will go after everyone who deleted their truck. The irony about this is that fuel use is greatly reduced by the delete.
@@interstellarconundrum4774Whatever. Let them come with their fuzzy handcuffs. I’m sick of them, and people like you who celebrate and condone their tyranny.
I have an 2011 f350 6.7 non-delete with nearly 400,000 miles on it and no issues other than a starter, oil pressure sensor, small radiator leak from a round rubber gasket that broke.. truck runs great with tons of power and torque and wants to keep going..
I have deleted my emissions on my 6.4 diesel f450...now it's the most beautiful truck reaching speed limit quickest no more engine sweetening because it's high temperature,no more regenerate with a lot black smoke, no more esues so aften and more saving fuel..now I'm very happy...
Best part of my deleted lml no more filling the damn def tank! Also I’m getting 4mpgs better, and I will agree removing the egr from the duramax sucks! But whole process took 7hours of cussing 90% on the egr for sure!
That’s exactly what happened to me. I was working out of town in northern Minnesota this winter. Truck threw a code for egr valve. I had to drive it at 55 max speed for a month until I was off work and it warmed up to be able to work on it. Needless to say I’m gonna off road it all the way back to western Pennsylvania!
Damn!! Great vid! I wish I had watched this BEFORE I bought my 2013 F350. My MPG is a dismal 15-16! I drive professionally so I'm not mashing down on the acceleration. Maybe time to trade in for a pre-def one.....
DEF has nothing to do with cleaning the DPF. DEF reacts with the exhaust to reduce NOX. DPF regen is what burns off the soot converting it down to ash. 😉
Gotta correct a couple things on the oe emissions side. The dpf is for particulate matter(soot). The regen process raises the temp in the dpf to burn off that soot. On Ram trucks, this is done if too much differential pressure is sensed across the dpf and on an engine hours basis. On my def equipped trucks, this was about every 24 engine hours. On my pre-def Rams it was less than every 10 engine hours. DEF is injected into the catalyst after the dpf & is not used for cleaning the soot or in the regen process in any way. It reacts with the catalyst to remove NoX emissions. This allows for less egr to be used on def equipped trucks. Less egr = less soot= less regen’s.
Great video. I learned a lot on this now. I wish I watched this while I went to look at a duramax. Thought guy was lying about the tune for delete and why it was only running 40mph. I lost out on nice truck.
I followed your video as best I could and deleted my 2014 Cummins this week. Waited for the warranty to expire. Installed EFI Live tunes, S&B Cold Air Intake, deleted CCV, DEF and EGR. Thanks for the video! Extremely helpful!
I've been working in a dealership for the last ten years, as a jockey, and it's the first time I hear the term ''stealership' . now that's hot, I know they'll screw you over, I witnessed it, but the term stealership is new to me. From now on I'll be using it whenever I can. HAHAHA thanks for posting.
Just finished a full delete on my LML. Used your videos and info a ton. Then had to replace my turbo 3 weeks later due to leaking seals putting oil into the exhaust. I was able to do it myself with Dark Iron Diesel videos! You’re the man. Buying some merch for sure.
I came across your video looking up pros and cons of egr deletes on gas cars. I hit like because your video was well-informed and you passed that on. Also, I’m Canadian, and I like Canadian content. I had a diesel but sold it after too many check engine lights all emissions related; nothing to do with drivability. All were going to cost thousands so I unloaded it. If I did buy a diesel truck or car again I’d look for pre 2008 or whenever DPFs or DEF came out, no matter the miles. I’m in favour of clean air but I confess to liking the smell of unprocessed diesel exhaust since it reminds me of trains.
love canadians,love clean air as well,practically every different diesel from my childhood smelled different.THE TECH WILL IMPROVE FOR THE COMBUSTION OF HEAVY FUELS( look what they have done for the gassers) no one likes to breathe soot( although it tends to settle out rather quickly) the high combustion temps of the diesels were noted early on( that's when they were said to burn air(nox) and that's the reason for the urea reactors,as the tech improves diesels will be around forever because they are simply the best for certain apps,courage pilgrims don't fall into that $10.000 fine trap.Oh yes they have real torquey gassers now,but they will never give diesel economy,when diesel fuel falls back to the price it should be long live the heavy fuelers!
I can’t believe you’re a smaller channel, your videos are so god damn good, amazing quality, very informative, professional, must say I’m impressed. Bonus points for a fellow Canadian
My '14 Cummins went from 8-10 mpg to 15-17 mpg in town after deleting DPF and EGR. You should mention that part of the 'recycling/regurgitation' process the EPA bs on these trucks sends massive amounts of soot into your turbo! I saved mine right in the nick of time! I tried to free spin the fan and it was stopping instantly. It was f... caked in soot... I cleaned it some brake cleaner and it now sounds like a jet even with my rumble!
I'm glad I stumbled upon your video bc I had a 05 duramax with quadzilla tuner 3"downpipe into 4" straight pipe all the way which you know was b4 all the emission stuff, and now I have 2011 f-250 6.7 all stock so I'm new to the def fluid and all the emission sensors now and was gonna buy programmer for it then delete it down the road when can afford it but now I know it would create problems if don't do them at same time, which really makes me miss my dirty
Love your third gen Cummins mate! And if I were to buy a 10 year old plus HD diesel truck I wouldn’t be worried about warranty and emissions. I always make sure I have a backup vehicle or a vehicle for specific tasks. As much as I love the new Ram 2500+ Cummins I can’t justify $90k even for a daily driver. The older trucks are way more fun esp if it’s a manual!
@@darkirondiesel you know what’s funny though I just got last year a 2020 ram 1500 hemi with 3.92s non etorque 4x4 and it’s gorgeous and comfortable etc. but when I go to pick which truck I wana drive I still grab the keys to my 2006 ram 1500 6speed manual with 4.10s and 4” lift and basic interior😎
@@darkirondiesel Please do not thank me for you stating that you will pass along what you know. You made it clear for each person to do their own research. I simply like the raw, camera moving while you walk and talk and kept it real. You didn't once lie or become biased. Just, keep doing this and all is good. No matter what you know or say somebody will try and out do you or prove you wrong. These people suffer from tiny sword disorder. Probably don't even own diesels
Had a '21 duramax denali that left us stranded on a family road trip bc. of emission system, 1 year old truck. 1 year later, it had to have its particulate filter replaced under warranty. Traded in for a '23 gas denali... no more problems! And it's fast.
Another tip I would give along with the three you mentioned is upgrading the cold air intake. Thank you for your contribution. It’s stuff like this that really helps people understand! 👍🏻
My 08 LMM is fully deleted, EFI Live tuned with a DSP5 switch, AirDog 4G 165gph lift pump, stainless steel fuel lines, factory fuel filter housing fully deleted, full HSP turbo and intake piping kit, 4 inch straight pipe exhaust with 8 inch tip, fuel rail pressure relief valve delete plug, ported fuel rail fittings, and cleaned up the engine wiring harness and tucked it out of the way to hide it. It's my daily driver, tow rig, and race truck. It'll out run a 5.0 GT Mustang, gets 24mpg, doesn't smoke much either. Has a deep rumble exhaust sound with a loud turbo whistle.
I understand that by deleting voids warranty but aren't most of the problems you're going to have that you would use warranty for have to do with the whole emissions system?
That the stealerships won't cover cause they know they're junk, and make the consumer pay out of pocket for and have the $100k truck down for weeks like he said in the video. I have a 2015 lml and I deleted it and it gets way better fuel mileage than it did without the tune... So I'm a little confused as to him saying it doesn't get much better. Only think I could think of is, if you're on the go button more often than not them ya, going to not get the best fuel mileage, but if you chill with the go button it gets way better, especially if you drive in the top tune all the time. 🤷♂️EPA & GOVERNMENT messing everything up as always. Let mechanics handle mechanics stuff and let cooks handle food stuff and don't let the FDA handle food and drug and don't let government in our lives other than for war from other countries other than that, they are not needed.
Check out Pittsburgh Power fuel catylist called "max milage". This is a catylist that changes the fuel chemistry and not just an additive. Helps burn fuel more efficiently reducing soot. Working great on my 97 power stroke, more milage and a considerable less soot build up in tail pipe. Only mods are slightly larger turbo, nothing crazy, (old one shucked) and 60hp program.
My 2016 CTD had emissions failure at 24,000 miles. Called the dealer, 10 week wait. Got them to sign a form that they would not void my warranty if I deleted. They signed it. Overnighted a delete kit. Installed. Went from 13MPG to 19MPG and it sounded mean as hell. Had Cory Willis from PPEI tune it. With the 220hp tune she screamed. If I buy another it’s getting deleted.
My only problem with the modern Diesel emissions is the EGR. If there was another way to burn off unburned diesel without redirecting it back through the engine I would be all for it. My first experience with diesel engines was with my grandfather's 89 Dodge ram. He still has it to this day and it still runs great. I remember driving it about 15 years ago and the odometer rolled over. I bought my first diesel 3 years ago and I'm disgusted it to find out that it may not even make it to 100,000 MI.
I deleted my 14 Cummins for the reason of cost to maintain the system. My oil after running 7k miles was like tar. Every time I cleaned the egr system it was full of soot. After deleting my truck on 60hp tune ran like the day it came of the show room floor. Haven't seen anyone tell you the cost to maintain the egr system. My dealer quoted 1,500 by the time it was done. I'll keep my delete my truck seems much happier.
Drive an ‘03 6.0. I’ve had it since ‘08. I will continue to do maintenance early, to my “upgraded” EGR, studded motor. New trucks look so nice, and I could go buy one with cash, but I’ll stick with my old truck. Runs great, still sounds and smells like a diesel should. Sad where diesel trucks have gone smfh. Good, somewhat accurate video dude. Funny you had to explain what “deleting” is. And yes, you should do it, if you want a diesel that will last and not break down all the time. Or, you can go spend $80k on your new loaded truck, that runs like shit after a few months of spending tons of money on shit fuel, shit DEF, and additives for oil and fuel. Cheers to the EPA (in the US).
I have a stock 2007 6.0. 90,000 miles. With a turbo back exhaust system. Not sure what that means. It’s feeling gutless these days. What should I do or delete, do you recommend?
He's 100% right on deleting it I will speak from experience if you delete the EGR cap it off because the a little electrical motor that opens and closes the gears can become brittle and break and your EGR valve can get stuck half open or all the way open or you'll get lucky and be closed just cap it off and tune it I know this because I put a barometric pressure sensor that told the EGR to stay closed and it got stuck half open and I dissected the EGR and found that the gears were all stripped out where the motor was for opening and closing the valve no BS and this was on a semi truck same s*** is on all the pickup trucks except for my 7.3 😎
I agree with you the EGR is very bad for the motor and if you can delete that your money ahead. It reduces the life of your engine by half if left untouched. I don’t understand the EPA on emissions if we are going to have it then it should be a standard across the board not just some cities have it and others don’t. I hope it don’t come to that but whatever. Thanks for your vid I enjoyed it.
Deleted my truck. Went from 11 ish MPG TO 17 MPG. It’s 100% true. Especially with a CAI. It would probably be even better with a full intake system change.
So now your truck runs more efficient and burns less fuel? That just shows how useless and stupid these emission systems are! Im sure it could do 20mpg with a better intake system and more boost pressure.
12 Ford 6.7 here. Deleted, it gets 20-30mpg depending on speed. My Truck wieghs 9660lbs and I drive 55mph to and from work 140 miles round trip. I get 26-27mpg. At 50mph,I can squeeze out 30mpg. Driving 70-75mph I'm at 18.5 to 20mpg. The truck never got that mileage in stock form. Now let's talk savings by not buying def. Deleting saves tons of money on fuel and def.
@@hgffrank exactly. I live in the city so I don’t get that luxury of gas mileage, but when I get the chance to cruise at 55mph and seeing my fuel efficiency sitting at 30mpg is a beautiful thing!
I know this is not a buy and sell site,I have a cherry95 GMC LONG BED FOR SALE 2100$ nobody around here seems to want this thing great apolcylpse truck, you have a fantastic site and very good advice
Hey video thanks for posting this and sharing. This world is true still pretty quiet no one really wants to give any information out about this. Deafly will be deleting my truck once I hit hundred thousand miles on this motor. The EGR system is such garbage and the fact that the DEF system is too.
Deleted my 2015 duramax because it was cheaper to do the replace the faulty egr ... didn't get any gains in milage .. but gains knowing I don't have to deal with Emmons failures in the future. Lol
Great video man! Definitely good information about how to full delete your diesel truck. I owed 05, Ford F350 6.0, I completely bulletproof my truck and done lots of upgrades, but I need little more throttle response. Do you have suggestions?
I bought a low mileage 6.4 (50k) that had leaking coolers already and had I not taken all the shit off (egr, cat and DPF) I would be having terminal engine issue's
Def fluid doesn't burn, and is injected pretty much all the time, when it heats up in the exhaust in neutralizes/reduces the amount of NOX In the exhaust. The regen cycle is what burns the filter clean by increasing idle speed and dumping extra fuel into the exhaust. Def has not one single thing to do with burning the filter clean or increasing mpg
I was very impressed 👏 video thank for the video I have a 6.4 power stroke 2008 I want to delete egr I look for good kit delete I'm new in diesel trucks So I thanks full for this information
Good question, can this be answered also thinking of buying a 2022 but I don't want to wait until warranty is over at 160k when the damage would be done instead of just doing it as soon as I take it out of dealer. Fuck the warranty the cummins is the warranty!
After a stuck egr valve a plugged off dpf filter a def heater, def pump and worsening mileage I deleted everything and went to a 4” turbo back system , the truck is running better than new.
I don't know for sure, but I'd guess my pre delete emissions were worse than my post delete emissions. I get ridiculously better fuel economy and no matter how much throttle I give, it won't blow black smoke. So to me it seems better than factory for both performance and emissions
Thanks For the Video, just got a 22 Denali L5P Duramax its way too quiet, want some noise, and exhaust shops say will still be quiet due to DPF, I feel stuck, not sure what to do!
Interesting thing about nox emissions. SpaceX emits twice the yearly nox emissions of the entire worldwide light duty diesel fleet with the rockets they launch every year.
This help a late,I don't think I will ever delete I got a 2016 ram 3500 dully, an I pull campers for aliving,all over the world, an I've got 465938 miles on my Ram an still get 9 to 10 gallons a mile,an thats pulling a 37 ft ,up in mountains wy,an AZ,MT.an I get 15.6 to 18 mile a gallon not pulling so ill keep mine as is.ty for sharing
As long as tunes are out there and piping is still made ppl will be deleting diesels as long as diesels are made. Everyone in my area panicked and diesel shops and behind the scenes ppl with tunes were swamped with ppl needing their trucks deleted. Just hope you can still get the intakes and other accessories like fuel systems.
Unfortunately, you have to do it all, or nothing. There are so many sensors involved, just doing the tune, or removing the emissions items individually would cause other issues. Removing/upgrading the physical "parts", allows the engine to breathe/operate normally... Re-tuning the computer tell it "everything's fine, nothing to see here."
This is my first time watching your video I don’t have one of those crappy Duramax diesel‘s I have a Cummins but I really liked how you came across and you explain things very well keep up the good work dude I enjoyed it I am I will keep watching you have a good one
It does because it means the engine can run less EGR and more advanced timing to meet NOx regulations, and with less EGR it makes less soot so it regens less.
My DEF system freezes up (Canada)…dealership says internal heater is ineffective during a deep freeze. They also said an external heating pad may melt the reservoir.
My lbz lifted 6in on 35s get 17 combined mpg, I know I could get a lil bit more buttttt....... I love the sound of my turbo and I love gunning it and making noise and fast , and I tell my self I should drive better for mpg but it never happens , we are all kids at heart when it comes to the sound of screaming trucks and turbos
Never did a delete, but the 2005 F550 I drove got the same 8mpg as the 2015 F550 I drive now. They're both about the same curb weight (13,000 lbs). The only difference is now I don't smell like diesel exhaust after a 10 hour day.
Def fluid has nothing to due regens, or soot. Def only changes the chemical make up of your exhaust by converting harmful exhaust gasses into harmless gasses. Again DEF fluid has absolutely nothing to do with soot reductions.
I agree with Jumper here, the DEF fluid consists of Urea and water. The nozzle sprays the def fluid into the exhaust to kill off the nitrous oxide gases from the exhaust (NO2). The regen starts when the engine ECU send more diesel towards the DPF and starts the burn off that way.
idk the chemical makeup of DEF is 32.5 % Urea (urine/ammonia) and 67.5 % deionized water so its pretty much watered down piss. But gotta agree with everything else you said. Decent video explains the basics in decent detail. Props dude.
pre DEF Fluid trucks would inject diesel on the exhaust stroke to burn the soot out of the DPF and NOX filters. that is how it worked on my 2011 cummins and my mileage sucked during re-gen.
I'm a firm believer if i own the truck I should be able to do whatever I want with what I own. I do understand that the manufacturer has to do right by the EPA but as the consumer it should be up to the end user what they do and don't do with what they own and pay for.
The US even blacklisted the VW car engines after 2006 when Europe continued to use them. Remember the diesel rabbits that could get 60 mpg and last 300K? My 2009 Jetta was recalled d/t the defeat software lawsuit - great car, but the lobbyists ended it. How much pollution are we talking from a 1.9L engine getting over 50mpg??
Best pro's/cons vid on this subject I've seen. Would love to "delete" my truck, but the two big cons will prevent me from doing so. By the way, why do they call it "delete your truck," rather than "delete your DPF system?"
