TS&TT: Should Women Be Theologians? - Complementarianism, Patriarchy, & the Bible 

No syndrom here either! Lol 😁 Keep up your studies! Good for you! Your a good example for the rest of us!

@@andyheller2691 ohhh Thank you so much.

The qualifications passage aside, Paul does use the word translated "deacon" in reference to Phoebe in the closing chapter to the Romans. While that is not the word's sole possibility of meaning, it must be at least be considered and responded to, not ignored.

@@mikedspringstead5974 As you wrote, the word TRANSLATED deacon. Just as Apostle can be translated messenger and thus lose the contextual meaning. The fact remains we have clear specific REQUIREMENTS for the Church office called deacon and they include the husband of one wife. Unless you go with "trans" madness, that means no official women deacons. Now, unofficial is completely different as a servant. There is NO official position of a woman in the Church that puts her managing, teaching or ordering an adult man. As to the qqualifications passage aside...how can you set aside a specific clear passage in deference to modern sensibilities? Sorry, the modern Western Church is gynocentric and misandric like the world it apes. Laodicea rising.

@@mikedspringstead5974 She was a deacon, since a specific church is mentioned. _______________________________________________ I then thought it the more needful to get at the facts behind their statements. Therefore I placed two women, called “deaconesses,” under torture, but I found only a debased superstition carried to great lengths, so I postponed my examination, and immediately consulted you. -excerpt Pliny the Younger’s Letter to Emperor Trajan Regarding the Christians about 111 A.D.

That’s like saying everyone is a Bible teacher because in some way we all learn from each other

@@ApollosHagman_17 As a prof of medicine and biochem, I have GLADLY been corrected and learned medicine from many people (janitor, seamstress...) not qualified to practice medicine nor evacuate the entire science building at my college for the day running an experiment (oops). Despite their islands of understanding, you would NOT want them to be your physician. OF COURSE women can teach me theology, and they do; but never officially.

Exactly dear. Hugs❤

Anyone who says women can't teach women evidently haven't read the Book of Titus or Proverbs 31. "She has opened her mouth with wisdom, with loving instruction on her tongue." Proverbs 31:26 (NET) "Older women likewise are to exhibit behavior fitting for those who are holy, not slandering, not slaves to excessive drinking, but teaching what is good. In this way they will train the younger women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be self-controlled, pure, fulfilling their duties at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the message of God may not be discredited." Titus 2:3-5 (NET)

Agreed, I am patriarchal and not complementarian nor egalitarian. OF COURSE women ought to learn and sober women of experience ought teach the younger. For reference, as a father began teaching my youngest daughter organic chemistry by the age of 8 (she is brilliant) and have encouraged learning in all my daughters and wife who routinely teach each other and in private, non official ay, me. This is not about capacity nor the preservation of male ego. This is about following the commands given to us by the Apostles in official settings. Unfortunately, the patriarchal movement is plagued by extreme idiots, I am NOT speaking of all.

​@@marthaj67 says there.....to teach the younger women.

Phoebe is named as a Diakonosis in Romans. The question then is did Paul speak of an office, or broadly as a female servant. I think it's hard to say servant broadly. Because Paul has no problem using doulos for that.

@@shawngillogly6873 is a Diakonosis a position of authority or one of influence?

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i You are a heretic, and your views do not belong here! Share your sophistry with the gullible, not here.

That makes no sense it would then put him in an "untoward" position with her...

@@LevizGibson plenty of pastors have fallen into adultery via counseling women alone. women deacons were accompanying pastors in the ancient church to safeguard virtue, and to off-set any accusations of him meeting up for illicit sexual activity.

@@jonathankotyk3075 Or like what is evidenced in the Bible. Two men going together!?

@@LevizGibson Yes, there are mentions of teams of men going out to evangelize. In both the Gospels and Acts. Do a word study on deaconesses in the collection of Church Fathers and you will find multiple mentions of deaconesses accompanying male pastors when administering to women, usually married ones.

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

BTW, no idea where your essay is at.

@@JRRodriguez-nu7po If you sincerely want a study it can be pasted up. I don't like to argue back and forth though. It wastes my time. Let me know.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i If you paste it, I will read. However as per your unwillingness to engage further, I might not comment. Shalom

@@JRRodriguez-nu7po I'm open to discussing these matters. Essay is next.

💯 I mean most of the reformed women I know learned that reformed theology by men and not women's Bible studies

Luke 10:39 kjv And she had a sister called Mary , which also sat at Jesus feet , and heard his word , Luke 10:42 But one thing is needful and Mary hath chosen that good part that shall not be taken away from her.

Yeah but She's at the feet of the LORD not a female led Bible study. Her teacher is the Lord Jesus. No one is saying women should not learn theology- they should they need it but taught by a man not by another female ( unless that female.is using the theology in a Titus two context ). Why is this so hard to get

@@pebelstaveras8352 no problem that was just for naysayers

Read Luke 10:39-42

@@debbiekling6065 yer i don't understand your point? Yes Martha sat at Jesus feet where all godly women should sit 🙏✝️

@@debbiekling6065 I'm not right but Gods word is inerrant 🙏✝️🤗

It always goes back to Deborah. She was a Judge, and therefore a pastor/shepherd, according to Chronicles. A Judge was cleared to teach as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy.

If you only submit once you agree, you’re not submitting at all. The idea authority is anti-Christian is silly

She has openly said she was willing to go into obscurity after The Gospel Comes with a House Key in part because she did not want to be seen in undue authority. But her session asked her to continue writing because of her unique experience.

I wrote a short and free essay on Deborah. She was the Judge over Israel at this point in time, so not sure what you are saying.

Barak led the army. Deborah was a judge for the people.

@@mikedspringstead5974 Deborah was over Barak. ________________________________________ Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet Now she sent word and summoned Barak... -excerpt Judges 4 (above) She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. -excerpt Judges 4 (below) Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you...

@@user-iz8np3vv4i If you do not understand the difference between a Judge and a leader, I refer you to the original intent of the US founders, or practically any developed country, on the proper rule of the Judiciary. Right now Israel is fighting back the over reach of their judiciary.

@@JRRodriguez-nu7po The word 'Judge' in the Book of Judges does not translate to modern English. Taken from my essay below: A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also: Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet