Tuners Nerfed?! What Happened To Tuner DLC Cars - GTA 5 Fact-Finding №36 

Update: This was largely fixed (not quite reverted but Tuners perform much closer to how they used to) in the Criminal Enterprises DLC. Details here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dqztnHMw-ck.html *Relevant Links* Updated Lap Times Of All Tuners: twitter.com/Broughy1322/status/1483496424071389185 Fact-Finding №20: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-riRtuBSjTGc.html Original Viseris Top Speed Testing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TUpnu7lW-OI.html Super Speed Viseris Crazy Race: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FBefVgiFhl0.html Tuners Lowered Stance vs Default: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WEQ0EHSd4RA.html Tuners Initial Top Speed Testing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ox-zBvs134Q.html Tuners (2021) Lap Time Video (Now Inaccurate): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n1sRBUlmKGQ.html Tuners (2021) Top Speed Video (Still Accurate): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cpKHxc0N-Ug.html *Various Info & Links* More GTA 5 Videos: broughy.com/gta5 Ways To Support Me: broughy.com/support Check the video description for series playlist, plus more relevant info & links! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Watch Me Website: broughy.com Twitch: twitch.tv/broughy1322 Main Channel: ru-vid.com Second Channel: ru-vid.comsrandombits Follow Me Twitter: twitter.com/broughy1322 Facebook: facebook.com/broughy1322 Instagram: instagram.com/broughy1322 Discord: discord.gg/broughy1322 Support Me RU-vid Membership: ru-vid.com/join Patreon: patreon.com/broughy1322 Donate: streamlabs.com/broughy1322 Merchandise: broughy.com/merch

There was NO REASON to put a handling flag on these cars. There is NO COMPETITIVE EDGE to using a stanced, low grip on any of the tuners vehicle in any street race unless you do a custom straight line race. It COMPLETLY RUINS the drifting experience as you no longer accelarate during rev ups, all you can do now is power slide awkwardly. It was also so much fun to barrel down the highway at 160mph knowing any little mistake would cause a massive crash. For the first time in gta you could feel true speed at the expense of control. Revert the change. Fix back the Tuners. Drop the handling flags.

I just find it hilarious that half a year later, when the dust settled, everyone had fun with the "calicos" reaching crazy speeds, R* suddenly goes "oh yeah, that, it doesn't work anymore, go cope, kid". Like everyone got used to it and Rockstar suddenly slaps you in the face for something they forgot about.

One of the reasons why I don't play this game as much is because you just don't know anymore what you're getting yourself into when you buy a car. Of course, some cars will be slower than others, but many DLC cars in this game (especially the ones with all the advanced flags) don't follow the basic rules from day-1 or the majority of cars. I'd say the worst case is the Jester Classic, a car loved by many people that for some reason someone at Rockstar decided that it would have broken shock absorbers and faulty fuel injectors. Either "fix" all the cars, or don't touch anything at all.

I still miss the veseris. Best bugged car they have ever added and honestly that is how fast i want cars to go in gta. Makes breaking oh so more important. And could make drag racing even cooler.

I used my futo gtx after this update and immediately noticed something was wrong. Hilariously, the normal futo is now BETTER for drifting due to it having HBB, even though the GTX was targeted for drifting fans!

A dev at Rockstar got beat by a tuner once, so they nerfed the whole class out of spite.

Cheers for highlighting this. As you said, this change greatly impacts those of us who try to drift these cars. Without the middrive, they are pretty useless as drift cars which defeats the whole point of them being advertised as such (IMO).

Rockstar is really quite terrified of any car going over 140, it's ridiculous

Rockstar: "like the tuners update?" Everyone: "ya we love it!" Rockstar: "too bad"

Viseris was my favourite car when it came out with its muscle car handling. Haven't drove it since the patch😭

Btw wanted to let you know the upcoming Zeno has a Xa-21 collision bug. Avoid the mirror upgrades to prevent your car from flying in the air over random bumps when it comes out.

I was getting rather bored with GTA until the tuner DLC, when I got into drifting, both with low grip tuners, and cars like the Standard Futo and Rapid GT. But now all my drift tuners are awful to drive and I could swear the mid drift boost feels weird on my pre-tuner cars.

I feel like there's no way the Growler still has the same top speed as before. It feels SOOOOO slow now in comparison. I'm so sad, that was probably my favorite car of all the tuners, and it got nerfed the hardest out of all of 'em. RIP Growler

Absolutely ruined their drifting potential! Even the cars slower for races (Warrener, RT3000, and Remus) were great at drifting so they all had uses. Now all the cars are awful at drifting and weird to race with it

No click bait, no gimmicks, just fair, unbiased information. That's why I keep coming back and using your information on GTA cars. I always wait until after you finish your testing whether to go out and buy, or not, new cars being released. Your reputation, information, and no nonsense approach is unrivaled. I always trust you and the information you're giving us, because you give it to us straight. Even if you don't know something or you end up being wrong, you correct yourself. Many others wouldn't do that. Keep up the great work, you're doing fantastic, and everyone in the GTA world an immeasurable service. 👏👏👏

The dominator asp was one of my favourite cars to drive. I went to use it in day one of the update and it just felt wrong

> Bring out an update everyone loves > add cars people have been asking for for years > ruin them 6 months later with a pointless patch for no fucking reason GG R* well played

from the R* created races there was one I found where you could exploit a Comet S2 with low grip. I think it's called Trench IV? It's a transform race starting with sports in which you quickly transform into a Rocket Voltic after 2 fairly long straights and a very subtle corner in between them. You only use your custom S2 on that section, so no downside to not having grip. But it's a transform race, it's rare to ever find people who know what they're doing on those, it's not like you'd need that advantage - I tried it a couple of times for fun, you can really watch them disappear in your rear mirror lol

This change wont be reverted, mark my words

I mean it sucks but that's just what Rockstar do: Patch out everything that's fun. Because in some rare cases people could use it for these missions where you have to go across the whole map and with faster cars the mission could be actual fun and maybe even done quicker, Rockstar can not accept this, better they ruin all Tuner cars to get rid of that fast driving fun.

FINALLY someone acknowledges that calling it “Double Clutching” makes zero sense. 4:17

Rockstar on their way to patch fun bugs/glitches instead of God Mode or fixing their game properly: 🏃🏃🏃🏃

the dominator ASP's handbrake boost was so much fun. this makes me sad.

Watching this video now after seeing all of the HSW cars made me come up with a theory. Rockstar nerfed the tuners because they were worried that the tuner cars would take some attention away from the HSW cars. They probably thought of a scenario where somebody would look at the HSW car and say "why would I need this if my S2 already goes faster".

This is really quite the let down, the first day I got my Calico, I had soooo much frickin fun using the low grip/lowered set up, I seriously drove around with that car for hours on end, just driving around LS randomly. Being able to go 170-180 MPH down the highway because of curb boosts, or even down some city streets if you controlled it well enough, and that made it so much fun for me, I felt like I was driving a really high powered vehicle, something I've never really felt for a long time in GTAO. Annnnd now that's gone, because Rockstar has always gotta remove the fun stuff, yet I can almost guarantee that Titan bug from CEO warehouse sells is still in the game. I hope that is not, but ayiyi, I thought Rockstar was getting back on track with good quality of life features, but this is a setback for sure, specifically with the way they did it. It's crazy how noticeable the top speed difference is on the Calico now, that car was one of the most fun things I've experienced in GTAO. RIP to the Corvette speed of the Calico, gone but never forgotten, you will be dearly missed.

I had a lot of fun with the Dominators and even managed to win a bunch of races against faster cars but they're joyless tubs now, you just can't balance the rear on the throttle like before. Same for the Tailgater S, they may as well have made it all wheel drive.

These cars were way too expensive to have the hand brake boost removed, that makes them utterly useless for drifting now. I have been in both the drift and race scenes for years, this sucks! I will say to be fair, they didn't drift all that well anyway... they really needed just a little more torque mid slide. I tried multiple and none drifted quite like the OG cars. (Futo, Stanced Shchwartzer, older muscle cars, etc). Still very sad about this though.

Rockstar needs to realize that in a game where you have flying rocket bikes, space cannons and laser guns a few unintentionally broken things are fine....ie the Tuners cars and even the Kuruma glitch

Great video. The handling flag doesn't just get activated with handbrake boost. But with any traction loss, such as oversteering. Even if they prevent handbrake boost, I just don't want to lose power to wheels. Which is what actually affects performance. HBB is fun though for free roam. I'd like all advanced flags to be removed and just individually nerf top speeds of certain cars the correct way.

I was okay with the advance handling flags that were added to the previous vehicles from the Souther San Andreas Super Sports Update, Nightclub DLC, etc. mainly because I understood it was for testing purposes. The Jester Classic for example would be in the top 10 for Sports had it not been affected by these handling flags. But would it really that much for them to reverse their decision and take these flags off? And as for these Tuner DLC cars I believe the reason they did this was to promote people to buy Expanded and Enhanced, think about it. Why would they fix this “patch” when they have a new version of the game coming out? They did this so people would be more keen to buy the next version of the game. It sucks but it makes sense. Why else would they do such a sh*ty fix?

i'm so excited for the downforce / active spoiler fact finding vid :) amazing as always

I really loved racing street races but now I feel like I absolutely forgot how to drive those cars. Jester RR, Sultan, Vectre or cypher were my top cars for any street race. Now I feel like I'm gonna crash while going over some bump plus traction is a little bit weird too.

I find it very amusing how R* make an effort to fix this type of speed bug every time it crops up: the Viseris, the Tuners, the Slamvan Custom, hell they even kinda accidentally patched the Rapid GT, and yet the 811 is still completely broken. I guess its brokenness doesn't really make itself known on console and that's how it's slipped under the radar. I hope they never notice it and it continues to be broken because it's extremely fun

Very well done Broughy. Critiquing comments handled and delivered like a true Pro!

Thanks for your hard work Brough !

If Rockstar ever decide to actually fix anything with cars, their first priority should be the car classes themselves. There's so many cars that should not be where they are today.

Your speech at the end was very well spoken. It makes me feel awful for those who had genuine enjoyment before these tuners got changed.

Thank you for getting this out so quickly. A champion of the people

Thanks for the info Broughy I figured something was up tuner cars had been feeling different past few days and now I know why🤙💯

This is what makes FiveM and Project Homecoming so much better. You don't have a bunch of idiots fooling around with cars and aspects of them that they don't even understand themselves. It's a shame what its come down to. Glad Project Homecoming guys know their stuff and know what we want as racers.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I thought I was crazy for thinking some of the tuners wernt getting the boost. Hell I thought I was just rusty and missing the timing

I recently did some stunt races with my mates and their Tuners cars couldn't complete a lap because of the limited revs. Great job R*

Thank you for explaining changes!

But the Hydra speed glitch that has been in the game for 7 years almost, (which allows you to go from Paleto to LSIA under 3 minutes) still remains the king of fast travel across large distances. But a car that can outrun a MK2? Need to fix that immidieatly.

Great explanation and information on what happened as always, Broughy. I'm sure there's a ton of misinformation and confusion out there about this to those who are actually aware of it. And I hope people are pointed to you before making uniformed claims.

Good work broughy

I couldn’t find a video on this so I thought maybe it was a normal thing. Thank you for this video explaining exactly what’s been happening. I hope they revert but I doubt they will.

i noticed this with the cypher in the snow, and the sultan with lowgrips in the snow. Everytime i would initiate a higher speed 4 wheel drift, or a regular drift, it would bog down and straighten out, or with the awd, yank the wheels to the nearest object that would destroy the car. The cypher was one of my favorite drift cars, just because how unpredictable it was, and how good it handled low speed drifting. Really a shame. And also the sultans drifts were not initiated or used the handbrake. the cypher however did use it, but that was to keep it in a low gear. however, a seasoned drifter can use the regular brake to a similiar advantage, just no, no lift shifts

As the time goes, i´m only happier with my decision to quit this mess of a game. I will still watch Broughy, tho. I like his suffering, but i also like his seriousness, when he does his best.

I like your video's. Its fun to watch streams back. Only i can't get in the crew i will still seport you.

They get up and ask each other "how can we ruin what we've literally just built"

So rockstar will patch a fun high speed glitch and clothing glitches. but not godmode, orbital spam, rocket spam, godmode van, and Infinite off the radar. Good to see where they’re priorities are 👍

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Schafter V12 was fun to drift around in i was wondering wtf was up. thanx broughy!

Some interesting overall insights there into the changes Rockstar made to the Tuners class with the Contract update, but damn that's actually a great shame they basically hard nerfed the overall category, from those crazy fun lowgrip stanced top speeds, to just even the general performance with those cars being notably slower per lap than before :/ but woah I had no idea about how insane the Viseris once was🤯 seems I'll have those videos to check back on and see the speed demon it was back then!😂👍

Another thing I have noticed when driving the tuner cars while doing donuts or drifts at low RPMs, it seems like the character continuously hits the handbrake throughout the donut or drift. You can even see the rear tires stop spinning as if you're hitting the handbrake.

Thank you for covering it. Exactly, these high top speeds induced by the stancing have no harm to anyone & is quite fun to mess around, the way they go about using the Viseris' AHF in solving it is very lazily done without considering the consequences of affecting the driftability, such brain deads R* is! Have you considered starting a new petition to remove this AHF from all the Tuners cars Broughy?

Love the olden days black and white look of the Viseris video :-)

I was waiting for this.

! news on the comet s2 cabrio for those interested ! From the files the comet s2 cabrio will be a car that has nothing to do with the tuners, it will be a car apart. On the plus side, this version is not infected with advanced handling flags which only spoil the game experience. cit. how did you remember the viseris or cars like jester Classic, swinger ...

love you broughy

Great info as always, though I wish more than a second or two was spent on the Dominator ASP and Tailgater S, as at least a little more assurance that they haven't lost their spots as I think the #2 in muscle(after the new Buffalo) and #2-ish in sedans(after the schafter twins).

you were spot on with the drifting problems, all the tuner cars have now been needed so hard that i’ve given up and gone to forza until it’s fixed

I won the Growler from the podium over the weekend and noticed the weird handbrake boost behaviour but thought nothing of it. Having never driven it before I just thought it was a quirk of the car itself! At least I didn't waste money buying it, I suppose.

God forbid we have some fun in this game. Almost every patch feels like a slap in the face to the community somehow. I still don't understand why they walled off the cargo compartment of the Bombushka.

Solid testing!

Only rockstar can patch anything that makes stuff fun when it comes to racing but wouldn't bother fixing god mode glitch or orb spam

The thing that bugs me is that none of it is unified across the cars. If they all didn't HBB, kerb boost, etc I'd probably be fine with it. But I don't understand why on some cars it's 'ok' but on others it's not. I enjoyed the worse handling but increased top speed with the stanced cars. It was pretty fun, challenging and just good fun to drive around in free roam.

So annoying that they did this again. They removed HBB in 2015 with the Lowriders DLC. Everyone were complaining about it and next update (1.31) they added it back in the game stating "Fixed some issues related to vehicle drifting and double-clutching, thanks to feedback from the racing community." I am so frustrated with R*. It's disappointment after disappointment.

(some vans have faster lap times) 😂 I'm dead! You win the Internet for today, sir!

Well F. Just for the phrases sake: This is why we can have nice things. Thanks Bruff! 🙌🏻

Instead of making low grip tires more viable they capped its top speed, fantastic customer service lol

So they "fix" the top speed "problem" but do noting about the ultra bouncy collision and suspension physics issues that make the tuner cars actually bad to race?

I was wondering why my growler wouldn't HBB while trying to get from point a to point b. This videos explained that, thank you

Nice vid!! I feel bad for those who enjoy drifting, but i havent touched the tuners since i bought the new buffalo!! What a machine!! Next up r* will be like....ah that new buffalo too fast and bam! Itll be slower.

Wish you early happy holidays!

Thanks for putting this out,but I feel you underestimate the level tuners have been affected in street and pursuit races,not to mention general driving around.These cars threw me back in the seat in ways I thought wasn't possible through a screen.No other racing game drives like those tuners did,and I'm not a drifter,just a driver.I don't think it would be so bad if they were always this way,but they weren't.I didn't play daily and spend GTA $ millions for what is in my garages,and quite frankly,I want that money back if I cant drive the cars I bought and won.I wont be winning any more.I am truly saddened,plus one second lap times added up to dozens of exhilarating turns,skids and slides that just aren't there anymore.

I legit read that as NE (any) Fred and thought it was some sort of cannonball Gfred race with tuners only... I watched the whole thing waiting for a "now that's out the way let's get on with the race"

Thanks broughy, you are a gta info God

I'm really really sad to hear this. especially because its basically an update revert. Drifting was actually the most fun in gta5 online I had in a while and I´m just now realizing it was the only thing that kept me so intrigued to the game. But since it´s over now and I actually don´t think that this will get fixed, because THIS is a bug. I will actually not play it that often anymore which is also another thing that I don´t want, because I really think this is a great game and it has lots and lots of potential. Just throwing it away feels so not compliant with me... Anyways who am I to ask.

This is very sad, I never want to drive my comet s2 again, I want to remember him as the cornering beast he used to be

Have you tried testing the comet s2 while just lowered? I ran some drag races with my friends against the rsx and they seem to have the exact same top speed

I agree 100%, the crazy top speed with stanced and low grip tires was the only reason for me to use it on Comet S2 but now I have literally no reason anymore to use that feature on any car! Also, the Tuners shouldn't be slower now!

I'm not all that mad. Ended up owning almost all of them for free after buying them anyway.

The "F" in "Rockstar" stands for fun.

Thank you broughy, agree with everything you said

Eagerly awaiting the rsx video it’s a strange car to drive.. near uncontrollable

So messed up 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

Wait, does this means that the old Futo is now significantly better for drifting than the new one?

Hello broughy the zeno has been released I'm awaiting your testing of it before I buy it. But if you're away on holiday it's no sweat enjoy holiday and make the testing video when you feel like it👍

I could ride my RT3000 for hours in the city just enjoying the hand brakes technique. Was waiting the snow in lobbys to make fun drift videos and they just took it away from us... happy Christmas(

2:30 Dear God my eyes they butchered the S2

Man this is so lame, thanks for the great video

Rockstar: Wait! They're drifting *and* going fast?? FUN DETECTED! NERF IT! Also Rockstar: Modders are teleporting everyone in the lobby to Cayo Perico then crashing all their games?? LOL NICE!

I used to have a non-lowgrip Remus for a grip/drift balance in the rain but without the hbb, it's about as useful as the f1 cars.

That's what I hate about the tuners DLC. All of the cars should have been equal in most ways, maybe one has a slightly higher top speed, one has a slightly higher acceleration, one has slightly better handling than etc... But all of them should have been useable and great in Tuner Races, having one or two cars being completely the best is dumb and boring! That's why I stopped playing it.... 🤷

I wish they would take brake boosting out of the game completely. Such a sweat move anyway.

I haven’t stopped doing tuner contracts, and it sucks to drive the dominator asp... the sultan does feel lacking too... in racing they haven’t really affected me personally though since I barely race and when I do, it’s pursuit where it’s more knowing your tracks than speed that makes you victorious...

Great stuff as always also wanted to give a shout to GHILLIIEMASTER He's been linking your videos and giving you credit for the testing you do. Cheers