Broken Cars?! How GTA Spoilers & Downforce Works - GTA 5 Fact-Finding №37 

"mammoth undertaking" are you hinting at a new car you have info on here?

And MOM said I couldn't learn anything from playing video games. Nice vid Broughy

I like the imaginary wings in the game , like the cheetah classic . rear engine vanity hood with no spoiler and still gets the down force of a wing ..... must be the weight of the glass I guess LOL rockstar logic.

See, my thing is, that not only should spoilers have little to no effect on traction in GTA V/Online, but the different categories of wheels SHOULD (and to even greater of an effect than spoilers currently do). 'Cause spoilers actually have very little to do with traction in the real world. So if that's what R* was trying to achieve, (as far as the vehicles in their game) then they kinda missed the mark a little bit. R* should've made the spoilers to be more focused on increasing acceleration (specifically down slopes), as they have a far greater effect on that aspect of vehicles in the real world, on the aerodynamics and wind resistance of vehicles.

Imo the most broken cars are still that of the tuners dlc drift specific mods for cars that are broken no mid speed boost renders them useless with low grips and not much better with standard tyres wish there was a way to get them back how they were I mean nerf the calico one cars better than the whole dlcs cars right??

Same for me, was thinking it can’t get any crazier and then this… It does explain though why the X80 is such a hassle to handle sometimes so thanks Brough for that!

I'm honestly curious what they'll break next...

There's a dev at Rockstar sitting in a cubicle, fed up with no-one ever being happy with his attempted improvements to new cars, who decided one day while working on the x80 "Screw it, let those never-satisfied racers see just how bad things could have been".

Lol

As an amateur game developer I easily understand how could they make this mistake. 3D space mechanics are quite complicated. The intention probably was to check if the car turning left or right and only apply downforce to one side.

@@shortcat And then they forgot to remove the "test" flag...

The water spinning thing is not true

damn your YT name sounds familiar i might have raced and lost to you if ur GTAO name is the same

I don't even race competitively, and I still thought this was gonna be an explanation about spoilers, and grip levels (stuff most of us who watch Brough's streams, and videos would know), and then BOOM! the X80 revelation. lmao

Why not buy a proper racing game? lol

@@S1lverArr0w what game offers the type of racing gta does?

@@PLPlolol1 There are many. Gran Turismo being just one example. Look for yourself

Still waiting bud, still waiting

@@Haemorrhoid_gaming Comet still ain't getting any love from R*

Yeah it’s one of those “so now we know - let’s hope it never happens” type things

Would it have broken the supers category?

@@Imitationist So if the RSX were to benefit solely from it's active spoiler, it would be roughly 1 second faster than the Emerus/Krieger. That's... a lot. 14:26 If the RSX were to benefit solely from its Downforce Modifier, it would be roughly 2 seconds faster than the Emerus/Krieger... That's broken. 14:44 Keep in mind that since the Cunning Stunts update about 5 years ago, R* has had a hard-on for downforce (vice spoilers). So by this trend, the RSX would have wrecked the Supers class. Keep in mind that Broughy's track tries to even out the amount of slow and fast sections (like a classic road race)... most R* stunt tracks are weighted towards fast turns which favors big downforce value cars such as the RSX. Nevermind the fact the RSX runs away from the Emerus/Krieger in top speed... It would be laughably broken. I actually always enjoyed racing the RSX despite owning a GTO, even though I knew I'd be battling understeer most of the time. The car is a low-down fat-bastard and you have to figure out how to tip toe around the corners. If R* figured activated any of its traction abilities, the car would become a cheat code. _____________ Edit: Looking at the Broughy's basic handling data broughy.com/gta5vehicleinfo the base cornering and straight line grips are pretty similar among all three vehicles. Keep in mind the Emerus is RWD and the Krieger is AWD but with only 20% power to the front wheels only. The RSX is AWD with 50/50 power to front/rear wheels, the braking power of the RSX is significantly better than either the two supercars, and its only downside is the bouncy Advanced Handling flag (which it battles with a relatively heavy weight). Effectively, if the RSX would much more easily fudge out braking/turning mistakes and could still quickly reset into a high-speed monster. It's an Itali GTO with a better engine, balance, transmission, brakes, and traction. The GTO already has top supercar pace - the RSX significantly improves on the GTO's gearing, weight (for balance against the bouncy AH flag), and brakes... This car shouldn't have been made. An amalgamation of these factors is why I think the free Turismo R (DLC - Criminal Enterprise Starter Pack) is the best thing R* ever offered. This Supercar, on face value has always been somewhat useable. It doesn't have the monster engine, it doesn't have a bajillion gears, and its grip is just okay. What it offers terrific braking in a classic RWD form. A lot of people think that you should give a newbie a cannon and completely fail the first corner, but if you give a newbie a pillow and they miss a swing in a friendly tussle... they can still stand and take another swing at the next corner. The RSX is a radar-guided rotary cannon in a pillow-fight. Ain't nobody gonna learn how to actually drive with it.

@@conorjohn490 > which it battles with a relatively heavy weight mass has no effect on performance in any way. Also the RSX's extra gears ain't exactly much of a benefit, and there are lot of factors you don't see that go into performance that can completely make or break a car. That's why even the most skilled and knowledgable person can never make accurate estimates based on the handling data, that's why we NEED to test things in-game

That just adds more realism to the game! We ended up buying a prototype car that ended up getting scrapped because it couldn't be perfected! LOL

@@GrimAhrenit is a shame though because this technology isn’t prototype irl. Paganini use it and it looks soooo cool

I can't keep up anymore with all of their nerf, which one are you referring to about Krieger and Emerus?

@@NikkOcello17 they both used to be in the 57s, they're now both in the 58s

@@NikkOcello17 and the nerf in question for these cars is specific to the effect they get from using off-road wheels(as in, then don't get advantages from using them).

I've never knew how to do custom plates, or is it just FiveM?

@@chichochicc los Santos customs phone app

"Hoping GTA 6 has a bit more thought put into it" bro are you high? How did you watch this breakdown of unnecessarily detailed spoiler mechanics and come away with that conclusion Also if you think that that X80 bug is something "only R* is capable of" then I can only come to the conclusion you have never played another videogame

it's one of the most expensive cars in the game, definitely doesn't make sense that it's not a super

@@richardbottom9843 Not just that, the general shape of the car also screams Super.

Its based off of an SF90. Its incredulous to me how R* can justify it as a sports car.

@@BopPop42 well its also got some styling bits like the F8 Tributo and Centinaurio, only furthering that idea of it being a Supers reject

i think you're giving Rockstar too much credit, it's more likely accidental breakage:D

Just play forza

@@robohat4837 forza is shit.. feels like driving flying potatoes.

Yeah and everyone in online racing in forza basically AWD swaps their cars for the best performance, creating the same problem

I dream of Gran Turismo physics ina GTA game

@@robohat4837 forza sucks

Most of the corners are right turns, and with the track being on the right hand side of the map, it means the x80 will have been acting like it has no spoiler for most of the lap. Probably loses maybe 0.5-1 second or so I’d guess, since it’s not the most grippy car in general to be fair so wouldn’t be as badly affected as say an Osiris or T20

@@broughy1322 (I know you're frackin' busy) Be careful with your comments. You make it seem as if the Osiris and T20 are also affected by the same map symmetry bug as the X80. Edit: the only car determined in this video to have a different WDV based on location is the X80. Your Osiris and T20 are safe everywhere in GTA5.

@@conorjohn490 only if you're shit at reading comprehension

could also have something to do with the cars drag value maybe? you could try if a tezeract falls faster than a krieger when jumping at the same time. if it does, it's most likely the drag.

And then there's the Tezeract that likes to "float" on those jumps

@@mr_obst3077 can you please explain the meaning of "drag" in this context for a non-english speaker?

@@NikkOcello17 it's a number in the cars handling files. The way cars drive in the game is determined by a set of those numbers each car has. For example they all have a number for engine power, a number for how many gears the car has etc. In real life drag is how much the air slows down the car. A car with a lot of drag (imagine a mercedes G wagon) gets slowed down a lot by the air, it has to work really hard to push through it. A car with low drag cuts through the air easily and doesn't really get slowed down by it. The game simulates this in a way. The lower the cars drag number is in the game, the better. The tezeract for example has a really low one. It doesn't need much engine power and can still go fast. Cars with a big drag number need more engine power to go the same speed. I hope this makes sense.

Some cars are programmed to have higher gravity (it's a handling flag). That may be the case with the Krieger

That's why me and the people I race with use random cars every race so we don't have to worry about racing the fastest car every race and we get to use a lot of cars that normally don't get used in races. Most people automatically pick the fastest car and it gets old quick

@@JBlades88WV how do you get people to use random cars? Is that a PC thing? I'm on Xbox and I've not seen a setting that gives people random cars.

@@Moreton2 no I'm on PS4. Just tell them to press the touch pad at the vehicle selection screen until the first custom car shows up. I race with a lot of the same people in a chat group and that's our rule for the playlist. It sucks when people only use the top cars every race.

Good observation. I always thought the RSX felt ridiculously out of place in sports, and by costing like 3 million it should have been the fastest supercar judging by rockstars behaviour. Thank god this bug exists, the sportscar class has some resemblance of balance

that would imply they class cars based on their performance

irl the SF90 Stradale is an incredibly fast supercar so it really makes no sense why they decided to put it as a sports car and even the design of the body shape just screams supercar like

@@Johnny362000 you are implying rockstar has any sort of consistency xD

@@Johnny362000 to a certain extent they do, they keep adding cars that are slightly too fast for competitive racing to classes, except for when the cars have purchase criteria other than racing. it"s not how players would like stuff to be classed, or something that can create a consistent system, but it is a quite stable pattern

:)

🤔 Interesting question

Lol! I assume it's just on one side of the map as Cayo Perico is sort of 'semi' on the actual map like north Yankton?

kek pepega is in the bottom right under north yankton

@@oleg_aka_djmeg nice seeing you here, Oleg. But yes, it's far down and right on the map, everyone. The x80 probably would have issues turning right on Cayo.

The comet s2 had a decent top speed when it was released until R* nerfed it. Now all the tuners are terrible to drive.

i wanna see someone take this seriously

@@samuelpardana Spoilers are just a texture that don't affect the cars!!1!

Correct