Advanced Flags Removed? Tuners Fixed?! Here’s The Truth - GTA 5 Fact-Finding №40 

Rockstar devs watching this video be like: "Damn, this guy knows our game better than we do."

One thing that happened that wasn’t noticed. I am part of a Hotring community and we race these things religiously. Race them on remade real world ovals, have our own series and everything. We need to do slipstream on big tracks or else it just turns into choo-choo train racing and it’s really boring, so we slipstream to spice it up. Before this update, the slipstream was decently strong but it wasn’t absurd (You don’t go literally flying past people). It worked for what we wanted. Now the slipstream is a lot more similar to the rest of the cars on GTA. Mega slipstreams you build up and gain a half a second or more on somebody. I mean it is what it is and we will have to deal with it, Maybe drop down to running the stock on the big tracks just keep the slipstream in check and not have to deal with the single file line of boredom. But it is kind of crazy that what essentially comes down to the gearing ratio of the Hotring has created MUCH stronger slipstream.

My man. Thanks for explaining this. I was super excited to see they fixed this on tuners, but iI wasn't sure what was going on with the other cars.

*As of the Drug Wars DLC in December 2022, this has been fixed and these cars are no longer broken in this way.* *Some Notes* 1) I forgot to mention this applies to the Viseris too, which received the same AHF that the Tuners got to fix its ridiculous speed when originally released. 2) They likely didn't remove the flag entirely, instead choosing to change it, because it still limits the potential top speed of the Tuners when they're in a lowered stance setup. 3) There are reports coming out that for the cars with the flag that were "forgotten" by Rockstar (eg. Jester Classic), it's possible to reach ridiculous top speeds by applying low grip tyres and handbrake boosting. The overrev flag stops the cars from shifting up so they just constantly boost for as long as you can keep them going straight. Rockstar will now for sure patch this in future, if they weren't planning to already just on the basis of what's in this video, so I'll probably wait for any retesting of these vehicles until after that. *Relevant Links* Tuners Nerf Video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SfiWPl6R21E.html AHF Playlist: ru-vid.com/group/PLx_tHjuVuRODFzUDltVov9lwgAhkusiD9 Racing Without AHF: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rp_VKab1UhY.html New DLC Drip-Feed: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GbQXzFbUWtY.html *Various Info & Links* More GTA 5 Videos: broughy.com/gta5 Ways To Support Me: broughy.com/support Check the video description for series playlist, plus more relevant info & links! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Watch Me Website: broughy.com Twitch: twitch.tv/broughy1322 Main Channel: ru-vid.com Second Channel: ru-vid.comsrandombits Podcast Channel: ru-vid.com Follow Me Twitter: twitter.com/broughy1322 TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@broughy1322official Instagram: instagram.com/broughy1322 Facebook: facebook.com/broughy1322 Discord: discord.gg/broughy1322 Support Me RU-vid Membership: ru-vid.com/join Patreon: patreon.com/broughy1322 Donate: streamlabs.com/broughy1322 Merchandise: broughy.com/merch More: broughy.com/support

I think the side-effect was simply missed. They missed enabling the Terrorbyte business missions in closed sessions too. I imagine there's other bits missed too.

The wheelie mechanic in muscle cars were heavily affected and now unfortunately can’t get its full potential wheelie. Don’t know the science behind it as most muscle cars do not have AHF, however the gearing when performing a wheelie were significantly changed and you can no longer perform a proper wheelie. I know most aren’t bothered or even care about this mechanic, but there’s an entire community that relies and has enjoyed wheeling, mainly drag racing. Anyways thanks for clearing this up much appreciated🙏

That explains why my Flash GT was backfiring so much yesterday, I hadn't driven it in months before yesterday and was like "wait this is really weird" but it all make sense now. Thanks for explaining everything and keep up the amazing content Broughy, I wish you all the best.

04:40 this is really interesting because, although these cars might still be underperforming for races, they might now be ideal for the drifting community. If they rev up quickly but don't shift into higher gears quickly, that might be an improvement for those who want to experiment with low grip tyres etc..

The Koenigsegg 1:1 (Entity XXR) is one of my favorite cars in the world, and I’m still disappointed on how R* absolutely butchered it. I always felt like it could’ve been one of the best Super Cars on vanilla GTA but I guess we’ll never truly know with these handling flags

As always bruff, outstanding analysis 👏 We'd be lost without ya! Keep it up Brough 😁

you're forgetting about stancing tuners in the interaction menu, which is the reason why r* didn't remove the flag completely. for example, the calico could reach 190mph at 60 fps without low grip tires.

Best content creator in the racing world of GTA. Thank you for everything you do, every video of yours makes me smile.

Thank you very much for the research sir. The insane over revs on the Jester Classic got extremely annoying really fast. Then realized the bouncy suspension flag might not be removed when Jester classic hit a bump and nearly front flipped.

when you put bandiads and the corners of a bandaid to make the original bandaid stick but then it still falls off

Currently the Jester Classic with Low Grip tires has unlimited handbrake boost & can reach insane speeds if you can somehow manage to control it (very hard to keep it straight)

Another classy video with quality, factual, useful information. Thanks Broughy

I thought you were taking a break from GTA content like this? o.o Either way im glad you didnt and thankyou from the thousands of people that will watch this to understand what those fancy words mean

Thanks for always bringing us this videos broughy

Good ol' Broughy, keeping the information straight for us all. Good ol' Rockstar, not seeming to understand their own cars. 🤷‍♂️

"The misconception is that R* removed all advanced handling flags" Well, I'm sure as glad I only watch your content to have not even known that was something the community had been believing 😂 Glad to trust you when it comes to these fact finding videos and testing that you do.

Thank you R* for fixing this. I pretty much HBB all my cars all the time. It was sad that you could not do that after Tuners patch.

Thank you. I learn a lot from your channel. I avoid buying unnecessary, underwhelming cars by watching your videos.

Noticed the change in the Jester classic the most. It's felt like the character didn't know how to drive the car anymore, banging the redline 1>2>sometimes 3rd gear.

Glad to see the issue explained properly. It's a shame R* didn't bother to check any other car with the flag. For me I like the Jester Classic but that engine dragging ruins its flow of the drive.

The noise coming from the XXR made me laugh. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Great video as always Broughy

They should remove all handling flags. I've actually been driving the Viseris. I want to mention that the viseris and the Dominator ASP both had the same feel before the new dlc where they felt heavy and sluggish now they feel loose and its crazy.

I was just looking for this video and it's only been uploaded a minute ago, lol

The jester classic feels like a whole other car it’s a lot more fun to drive now(I kinda enjoy the maxing of the gears tbh)

Terrorbyte is also glitched. You can’t source cars and crates or resupply businesses from it. It says “Join a Public Session”. But you can still access these options at respective business

I stole the Entity XXR off the Streets for export and it hang unnaturally at max revs while popping every gear change. This is exactly what happened as you explained. Perfect sense now.

Thank you for all you do Broughy, and I 100% your decision on not retesting until you're sure Rockstar won't revert.

Please don't leave gta broughy, we need you🙏🌟❤️

Thank you so much for explaining all of this. We can only hope that they'll listen this time.

Also I've come to notice that if you handbrake-boost the cars with the additional flags (i.e the Jester Classic) with Low Grip Tires, the car permanently stays at redline, making it constantly boost itself to ridiculous speeds

Listening to the XXF suffering like that gives me chills...

Whatever changes were made to the Calico GTF that made it impossible to make all the jumps in the Big Drop stunt race is still in effect.

The jester classic with low grip tires and double clutch (handbrake boost) gets the awd speed glitch due to the flags and can literally max out the speedometer in the car on a long enough straight

Do you have the i-Wagen on your re-test list since it got its engine upgrade now?

Thanks for this breakdown, it will so much easier to point people here than to try to explain it.

With the nullification of this flag the cars now have a much better, louder acceleration noise than what they where before, notable with the Hotring Sabre in this video. I'm just glad that all these vehicles & the Tuners now can maintain constant wheelspin for potential drifting.

The fix is good for tuners and they can handbrake boost once more, but they're unable to go above a certain speed now. It still kinda feels like they were neutered in the speed department and honestly, if they wanted to avoid the stance and low grip tires from causing high speeds, they could've made a simple check that looks for stance and or low grip tires on the car and soft-cap the speed only if those aforementioned things are applied. Instead, it seems like they've globally soft-capped the speed regardless of the setup to avoid it entirely. Kind of a low-effort fix if you ask me. Hopefully the tuner cars get the HSW treatment in E&E, as well as E&E being brought over to PC.

I noticed my Viseris handling waaaaay better post update. Driving from Paleto Bay to LS, just past the airport I noticed I was taking corners at full speed that previously would have ended with me in the ocean. I’m happy, it used to be my favourite car

Cheery Brough, good video as always :)

Always love these fact finding and discussion videos. Thanks Brough!

the hotring is so much fun now

Fact finding videos are my favorites

I have noticed that cars react to bumps differently, like the suspension is softer and that rebound is slower and causes more understeer. It's an interesting effect to say the least.

So the tezeract with no engine souned is a win win NICE :)

Does this mean my Michelli is now cured?

Thank you broughy for laying out these issues ive been watching u since i got the game and have been watching u ever since👍

Fantastic breakdown and thanks for the information. It'd be really nice if we could get a widespread push to remove all of the negative advanced handling flags for every car. Hopefully Rockstar notices the want of change from the community and eventually comes to fix it.

Jester classic is a mess now, but better

Well, even the flags weren't removed and just only changed the effect on the cars performance affected by these ones, here is my thoughts about them right now: -The supercars perform better, even they are still having the bouncy suspension. At the same time, I found that this flag helps them reach very high speeds when kerb boosting (like the GTO). And at the straight lines, their top speeds were provided a little, being closer to the top 3 current fastest supercars in the game (without the HSW upgrade). -On a very long flat track, they are still having the same top speed like before this flags changes. -Few of the SSASSS and AH cars would set on the current top tier just if R* remove all the AHF. Some of the following examples are: 1) Entity XXR: in terms of top speed it could be the fastest ordinary car in the game on a flat track (again, without considering the HSW upgrade). Its top speed would reach 131 MPH (beating even the Itali RSX), and in the classic straight lines its too speed would be higher, faster than the 811. 2) Tyrant: this car has the biggest potential to be the king of the speed in the game. With its handling, acceleration, kerb boosting and top speed quitely this would be even faster than the Vigilante on the straight line, blasting all the rest of the cars. And on races, it would be the perfect rival for the Krieger and the Emerus. 3) Taipan: basically with AHF removed in terms of performance it would behave like an 811 2.0, having the same top speed on a straight line and in a flat track it would run as fast as the Pariah does. 4) Jester Classic: by removing the AHF, this car would set on top tier if the sport class, in lap time and top speed, just behind of the Itali GTO, RSX and Pariah. 5) Flash GT: even the car performs really well in the off-road, without the AHF it would be more in the pace with Issi Sport, which is actually the king of this surface. 6) Swinger: as our lovely man Broughy showed us in one video, this car without AHF would blast the Sports Classic class in terms of top speed. It would still having the disadvantage of the handling; depends on the race, sometimes it would still being better to choose the Turismo Classic and the Cheetah Classic. Bonus: the Dominator GTX before the reaching of the Buffalo STX, would be the king of the Muscle class in lap time, blasting even the ASP. Would still having the lowest top speed in this cathegory. The rest of the cars are not mentioned here because even without AHF, which means a better performance and better top speed, they don't scale too many positions and still being far away from the top tier of their cathegories.

I do enjoy a good old fact finding video

As a drifter, i can tell that low grip tires on every single car changed a lot the results instead the only suspension breaking glitch, and by the way low grip tires + suspension break glitch can bring even more different results. So yeah, theres a lot of study around the new parameters of calibration in the game. If they will last for long? I also dont know. My only and biggest down side so far is that max turning angle lock has decreased, its around now on 30º, more or less. I don´t know if can be fixed with diferent kind of suspensions or wheel type, but sacrifice angles is not a good thing.

I can't say with any confidence that it's not just placebo, but the Vamos and Tulip seem to feel a lot better to drive after the update. I'm relatively sure Rockstar didn't do anything to the toe angles that made these cars randomly change direction when going over bumps, but they're a lot easier to handle ( or at least feel that way ) on PC.

Need your tier system implemented before most of these vehicles get used by the general public. It's not a pressing issue until then.

I appreciate the videos!

Welp, they fixed the fix, sad

Literally just sold my Dominator GTX because of how annoying the constant red-lining was.

thx Broughy!

Very informative thank you for sharing your findings as always

The Jester Classic immediately has felt better, but man I really hope they remove the secondary flag(s). The few times I've used it on Homecoming really spoiled me with how good the car really can be. Now if they'd just add it (and things like the original Futo and Warrener, which perform negligibly different than their tuner counterparts) to the class I'd be wicked happy!

Ahhh that's why my jester classic bangs off the limiter like a parking lot hero in their mum's civic haha

Thanks for all this info and testing and stuff.

Rockstar could even do a mini update and just remove the advance flags from the cars completely is it really that hard?

The biggest crime here is that the Hotring Sabre sounds like a regular car when accelerating despite being a Stock Car and having a demonic idle engine note.

Noticed the gb200 was driving differently earlier. Think the backfiring whilst driving just makes the cars sound broken irl..

I love how the Tezeract has this flag even though it only has 1 gear

Fab video, Broughy! Thanks. ..I own the Swinger, Michelli, Issi Classic & Cheburek, but primarily for their looks or citeness factor only. ...what would fix a lot of issues..would be a manual shift option. it'd make the game so much more enjoyable.. either just vibing & cruising, or racing. that & a posi or sure grip rear axel option in all cars. The new Bravado Greenwood is fabulous! A late 70's Dodge Coronet/Monaco (With early 70's Chrysler Imperial taillights, I think?) :D Such a classic cruiser & feels so natural..no bad manners at all. Love it!

Thanks Broughy! Always appreciate your content. It seems from the patch notes there was some intention with changing even the older cars

Thanks Broughy have a great day

Randomly brought my Swinger out to cross the city... it's a good change.

Gotta love how Rockstar literally implemented mechanics to make the game less enjoyable

Now, if they can just get some cars to drive naturally and not look like the tires are on ice skates, that would be great.

I think for Hotring Sabre its meant to give it this lazy V8 low redline sound. Without the fla git sounds just wrong. They should find a way to to affect the sound independently from performance

Thank you

Broughy you should checkout the bug on the Mk4 Supra (Jester Classic) if you put lowgrips on it and HBB it will wheelspin forever and hit speeds of 300mph!

It would be really interesting to see rockstar allow manual transmissions in this game, would be really interesting to see how different or better these cars would perform if the shifting was in the hands of the driver

W video, W youtuber

Thanks for this Bruffster. The Flash GT is one of my faves, I hope that its still in one piece.

I've tested the Dominator GTX The gearing is weird, it takes a bit to shift gear (it's not the slow transmission, it literally hits the limiter before shifting) Because of this reason also the wheelie is kinda broken The "good" thing is the infamous kerb boost that this car gets hitting every bump Basically it's easy to notice that this car was not made for a handling flag removal

Just watched this video while waiting for the Entity XXR to be delivered in my garage lol. Is the Entity XXR good or should I sell it?

it would be nice if rockstar addressed this sooner and removed the other handling flag, they'll finally become driveable

For me, it sounds funny that the Swinger isn't that good. That's my weapon of choice against Turismo and Infernus Classics on twisty classic sports cars races. But any improvement on anything is always welcomed!

Don’t see too many people talking about this but they also nerfed lowgrips to where they don’t make any car you put them on any faster then they were without the lowgrip tires.

I think with these "lower shift points" thing removed just a little step in order to removed the AHF altogether in the future when Rockstar finally figure these vehicles out properly. Maybe, just maybe, when AHF finally removed altogether, here comes GTA 6. Thank you very much. FYI, Dominator GTX is now faster than the original/regular Dominator, i am already tried it by myself.

Should really try to get this info to R*

Finally I can drift with the futo again 😁

I always want to play but then I remember they patched all the merges, but the real reason I lost interest was that weird revving flag

Few days ago i noticed that also the Viseris got this new advanced flag

I drove my entity just now and I was like wtf??!! And I came here to find out they fixed it

Idk if the speedometer is accurate in game, but the jester classic now goes 130 mph without curb boosting

You the man, Brough.

Someone needs to send this to rockstar

So true. They now drive better, the the constant red lining makes the engine sound like garbage.

For some reason the Tezeract feels grippy and RSX as well feels like it has the downforce now and might be king or maybe just placebo 🤷🏼‍♂️

Cars like the Cheburek and the issi classi are so funny now on bumpy roads They sound ridiculous

I love how Rockstar jumps on a car if it's too fast but yet they leave in god mode glitches the bogg den heist glitch to get unlimited money they patch all the gate launching glitches all the fun glitches that does not hurt anybody they patch them but they leave all these major game breaking problems in the game