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Twin Peaks: Making Sense of the Return 

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Confused by Twin Peaks the Return? Trying to understand episode 18? Wondering how to make sense of it all?
Here we give our original thoughts and theories for what it all meant, including:
*Why season 3 is so different from the original series.
*The social commentary of the Return
*If David Lynch was just trolling us the whole time
*An explanation of what "the return" actually means
*The Return as a reaction to all the recent remakes and reboots
*How the finale works as a broader existential comment.
Let us know your thoughts and comments below, and thanks for watching.
Music by MB Jones:
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@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
RIP Harry Dean Stanton
@davidhatred1583
@davidhatred1583 6 лет назад
*sings danny boy, like he did for hunter s. thompson.
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
This was a really perceptive analysis. I had a hard time watching the Return because the themes of absurdity and decay were so omnipresent and somewhat oppressive. There were really dark elements in the original, but this has become so heavy with the themes you guys explicated so expertly. I'm trying to watch it again now a year later, and it's no easier.
@jhentai0316
@jhentai0316 5 лет назад
such a wonderful actor!
@DeAngryDan
@DeAngryDan 5 лет назад
David Lynch can enjoy nostalgia but we can't, I guarantee when he puts on a movie or a record they're mostly over 50 years old, but a great commentary guys thank you.
@brothadarrell8315
@brothadarrell8315 3 года назад
He was just the greatest
@GeoffSebesta
@GeoffSebesta 6 лет назад
Twin Peaks, at the beginning, was a show about unexpected good in a world of evil. In the Return, the evil is more obvious, the good is more hidden.
@arnemyggen
@arnemyggen 6 лет назад
To back up your interpretation: these are all lines from the songs we hear in The Return "My dream is to go To that place You know the one Where it all began. She's gone, she's gone, she's gone away. Now it's gone, gone. And I am who I am. Who I was I will never be again. Right roads not taken, the future's forsaken. Don't be afraid We're with the stars. Under the starry night long ago. But there is no longer, there is no longer Stars. Now it's a dream" This is from the press release from Chromatics where they presented their song for the show: "The flame of nostalgia is a tempting black hole to jump into. But I recognize it as a fantasy."
@saidhbhe8702
@saidhbhe8702 5 лет назад
arnemyggen the Eddie Vedder song is now one of my favourites its so powerful. I agree that it really sums up the theme they’re talking about in this vid
@Corn_Pone_Flicks
@Corn_Pone_Flicks 6 лет назад
I think the underlying idea behind the whole show, made extremely literal in the final scene, was "you can't go home again."
@tylerskiss
@tylerskiss 4 года назад
@Rosie Darko Only if you keep trying. I think pop culture is stuck in this perpetual state of wanting to recapture past glories, at the expense of creating something new.
@ColombianThunder
@ColombianThunder 4 года назад
@@tylerskiss which is why The Return is so great. It hardly ever tries to be nostalgic to the original series minus a few nods here and there. I mean the show hardly even takes place in twin peaks. It's almost like an F You to the current state of the entertainment industry.
@brothadarrell8315
@brothadarrell8315 3 года назад
Much has to do with the electricity. It brought the show to us into our homes. Last scene is Laura's house electricity going out.. and finally the Lynch/Frost Logo at the end of the credits is silent. Usually we hear the sound of electricity during the showing of the logo. Balance of good and evil.. bitter and sweet.. coffee and cherry pie. The worst thing is to solve the mystery.. the beauty is in our mystery
@colors6692
@colors6692 3 года назад
@@ColombianThunder No...that's not it at all!
@nunzioification
@nunzioification 3 года назад
And we will all die screaming
@BIG_MUNKY
@BIG_MUNKY 6 лет назад
This video is so GOOD. I absolutely LOVE that you address the change in the world, it's not the same place, it just keeps getting worse and worse. While other tv show returns try to recapture the so called "magic" of the originals, they fail simply because things were that way in that time, but in the words of Dylan, "things have changed", and to be honest, they'll never be the same.
@inkwarp
@inkwarp 6 лет назад
good overview and whilst i agree f0r most part, there was a terrifying beauty by the last shot. i am still thinking about it now, when i am trying to sleep, i just go there...and for me there was something particularly electric about this esp. episode 8. i love lynch, eraserhead and blue velvet where very formative for me, i kind of get it. what i mean is this work is so much closer to eraserhead almost like a run off from that but more developed and more potent than ever. the ending? for me, after the whole show being in the world of twin peaks still had a kind of comfortn , and lynch cuts you loose by the end in a truly dark and terrifyingrealm . a real piece of art.
@gaiahasadream6499
@gaiahasadream6499 6 лет назад
Goncas RC My favorite TV show ever! I actually directed a short movie as a Twin Peaks tribute! I put so much efforts in it. Check it of you like too 🦉🔥👍🏻☕ I have more ready to come! 😉
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
I think part of the sense of decay of culture that people experience is their own decay and mortality projected outward. From someone's perspective we are always in a state of paradise lost, yet generation after generation people survive, live their lives, and manage pretty well through the joys and tragedies of life. If things were constantly getting worse objectively, there would be more overt signs. Crime is down from the time of the original series, though the opiate epidemic shows how the effects of feminism haven't been all that great; women are making more money but are objectively unhappier and men more alienated. Marriage rates have fallen off a cliff. The west is losing its superpower wealth, and trying to find meaning in that decline is no easy task.
@JohnJStanton
@JohnJStanton 5 лет назад
In the X-Files, Scully and Mulder have unknowingly passed the torch to their better equipped children. I would love to see a show about the kids and their adventures. Hmmmm, X-Men anyone?
@etymonlegomenon931
@etymonlegomenon931 10 месяцев назад
Dylan? Beverly Hills 90210?
@AlmostAnimixers
@AlmostAnimixers 6 лет назад
I like this idea. Just because the killer's been found, doesn't mean the pain and suffering goes away. To me, that's the underlying theme of that final scene.
@JohnJStanton
@JohnJStanton 5 лет назад
Or, you can't escape going back home unless the karmic cycle is broken. "Laura?" followed by a scream .
@8dollars276
@8dollars276 10 месяцев назад
​@@JohnJStantonthat's Laura's mom waking her up the morning after the night Laura was supposed to be murdered. Coop saved her and now she's waking up, realizing she has to deal with the reality of her father/Bob.
@OrchinX
@OrchinX 7 месяцев назад
@@8dollars276 no. bad.
@martincotadoteho3754
@martincotadoteho3754 Месяц назад
​@@8dollars276 Beauty of Lynch works is that it is too possible. And 10 other theories too. And they can be combined. But that is no thing. Thing is that Twin peaks is audio/visual experience. Greatly played by actors. Serial that makes you think.
@b1thearchitect401
@b1thearchitect401 3 года назад
I disagree that it's an elaborate joke. Lynch and Frost gave us a Twin Peaks that reflects our time. You can't relive or revive the past, and in the attempt to you might just destroy or change everything as you remember it. Cooper's obsession with saving Laura ultimately erased the entire timeline that gave us this show we remember so fondly. Also upon rewatching the return I don't agree that it's full of endless unsatisfactory loose ends or that it doesn't add up to anything, I think there's a lot of resolved character and thematic arcs and that it tells a self contained and worthwhile story. It's also just incredibly intoxicating to watch. It has a cadence, a groove and a feel completely unlike anything on TV, ever. It has moments that feel like a nod towards modern television (certainly True Detective vibes in the Mr C Plotline especially), but for the most part, this is avant garde auteur cinema that deconstructs the original show/TV in general/America as a society and it's audience. I also just love watching and re watching it and find The Return to be hypnotic, beautiful and haunting. I think it genuinely works as great entertainment and doesn't get enough credit for how attention grabbing it is despite the occasional middling or slow/dragging scene. The cinematography/direction/soundtrack and sound design are fucking amazing and it also features some amazing actors doing great work. From a technical/formal perspective it's often one of the best things I've ever watched on TV.
@LemonsAndSalt69
@LemonsAndSalt69 Год назад
The Return is a joke, and a disappointment. You can suck on Lynch’s hammer all you like, but the Return shows Lynch’s distain for his dumb super fans.
@chemistryset1
@chemistryset1 Год назад
I'm with you; I think these guys miss the mark. I think Twin Peaks The Return was largely a subversion of nostalgia and fan service. Your points about the passage of time are definitely on the money too; people at the time were soooo frustrated at the denied gratification of seeing Dale Cooper's return. But how do you go back to those days? Too much time has passed.
@sliceserve234
@sliceserve234 Год назад
Well, the sound design, the cinematography, the scoring, all the production values are very nice, even Kubrickian in places, but I think your just noticing what is shiny misses a lot of other stuff. Lynch kind of offers this trap to viewers, and there is certainly a Lynchian element of the journey is more important than the destination, but by just getting lost in the visuals I think you cheapen your appreciation for this piece of art.
@neotek303
@neotek303 Месяц назад
Does nobody else understand that Lynch and Frost are highly initiated in esoteric mystery schools? There's a reason they show the Masonic emblem, and thus lodge, watching over the RR diner. Imho these guys are well beyond 33rd degree Masons, probably also initiates of Rosicrusian or White Brotherhood mystery schools. Come on people, its end game time, wake up. They can't openly tell you what they know without being unalived. But they can give you a multilayered cake to digest. Theres the obvious surface level story for the profane masses. Then there's the show as allegory for humanity and in particular a meta fiction commentary on the entertainment industry and its consumers for the savvy viewer. Then there's the real story for those with spiritual wisdom; which is them explaining certain esoteric truths about reality. In this sense "the Director" is code for "God" or more accurately one who has the power to create a universe. A Demiurge if you will, dreaming reality into existence. Which is possibly a Luciferian doctrine from what I've seen. It would seem to me that Lynch believes alternate realities exist as Cooper crosses over into one. Imho TP is based on a similar paradigm as Dark in that "reality is running on an infinite loop with minor variations". Ergo the figure 8 symbol when speaking tea pot Jeffries. Another aspect imho is the concept that "the journey changes you and its simply impossible to return to how it used to be". Wherever you go the Darkness will always find you. Punching holes in the fabric of space-time is possible with certain nuclear weapons. Is it called The Return because Cooper returned to the Source/Unified Field? Aka the purple sea where the Fireman aka Creator resides with his consort Dido. To me the real juice is within the esoteric elements.
@AlexConley
@AlexConley 6 лет назад
I think that, based on Lynch's penchant for subversion, I think the nostalgia approach you take hits pretty close to home. I think both takes are pretty on the nose, but the nostalgia take seems far more "Lynch." The man is older, he's clearly fed up and tired with what he sees in American culture/society, and The Return was a way for him to exercise his angst against the nostalgia-obsessed culture that has split America. When Dale Cooper asks, "What year is this?" I believe it's just as much targeted at the audience as it is a question asked within the parameters of the show. Twin Peaks the show is a tulpa of our reality, and we ourselves are supposed to question where we are.
@666gorewhore
@666gorewhore 6 лет назад
Holy fuck! Good one! That is crazy. What if new Twin Peaks is a tulpa of old Twin Peaks! Hmm? You got me thinkin', sorry
@Assimandeli
@Assimandeli 5 лет назад
Though, how can Lynch complain about nostalgia when season 3 was nothing but him regurgitating ideas that he has already done in his previous films (Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive for example)? Or was that the whole point? Was the show nothing but 18 episodes of him making shit on purpose? To me season 3 was a 70 year old film director running out of ideas. That's as deep as it goes.
@nospoon4799
@nospoon4799 3 года назад
I like this. Also we upset the universal guardian (the fireman) with a Nuclear EMP. Nostalgia blinds us to the reality of the past. Prevents us from seeing the consequences of it in the present.
@EWUFBIiswatching
@EWUFBIiswatching 6 лет назад
Am I the only one who noticed the car that Coop and Diane were in was the same car as the elderly couple in episode 8.
@schnozchan6606
@schnozchan6606 5 лет назад
I guess you were because I sure as shit didn't, nice catch
@ofthetree
@ofthetree 4 года назад
don't look like the same one to me.
@notaspacemonkey
@notaspacemonkey 4 года назад
Twin Peaks is, among many other things, a deconstruction of storytelling and a mocking of storytelling. But, at its heart, there is, I believe, a really important message about recent history and the world we live in.
@brianhughes3312
@brianhughes3312 6 лет назад
It seems to me that the disgusting drunk in the cell is just a tulpa: someones tulpa. He just keeps repeating everything everyone says - like Dougie Jones.
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
Great point!
@Crashed2023
@Crashed2023 6 лет назад
+Brian Hughes I noticed that 'the drunk' in the cell did not repeat Andy's lines when Andy was down there making a point of the cop(Forgotten his name!) being a bad man. Anyway, small point, might not mean anything!
@improzigw
@improzigw 6 лет назад
Mind that the drunk was repeating only Chad's words. It seemed like only Chad could hear/see him.
@kriswilliams3598
@kriswilliams3598 6 лет назад
Wouldn't it make more sense that Billy had comeback from the lodge like Dale if he was like Dougie repeating words? The Dougie who was a Tulpa never repeated words, he replaced places with Cooper who everyone thought was Dougie. Also, if it was Billy, that would explain where Audrey is and why she couldn't find him, he'd escaped. Billy had also smashed his face into a sink in the real Twin Peaks which would explain the wound on his face.
@kriswilliams3598
@kriswilliams3598 6 лет назад
He repeated Naidos chirping and Andy. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F8qMWDF2UPQ.html
@ALLNAMESAREALLREADYT
@ALLNAMESAREALLREADYT 6 лет назад
Here are my two cents. A recurring theme of TP is the duality and balance of nature and existence: Light and Darkness, Ying and Yang, White and Black, Lodge. On Earth, this balance was disrupted when the A-bomb went off in the Nevada desert in '45 thus causing an inter-dimensional rift to open and release the ethereal demons of Judy, Bob, Mike and the woodsmen who look like Abe Lincoln, among others, into our realm. As a response to this, the Fireman, sent a good, ethereal spirit to counterbalance the evil forces which were released into our world through a gnossis sphere (a deus ex machina-like device). I believe that Laura Palmer, Carrie Page, and even Maddy Ferguson were created in that benevolent spiritual being's image- like humans were supposed to be created in the image of God. Remember, in Ep. 8 the Fireman sends the Laura looking entity/spirit directly after the events of the A-bomb explosion and the release of the demons in Nevada. In effect, Laura, Maddy and Carrie Page were tulpas of the Laura entity. As explained in the series, tulpa's are thoughtform creations, created by two or more entities. Tulpas, however, seem to be yanked from the world, once they come to the complete realization that they are NOT who they seem to be. That's what happened with tulpa Diane; she realized that she was a copy and that she was imminently going to be ripped from reality. Thus, she probably pulled out the gun to shoot herself (not Gordon and Albert). The effect of being ripped or torn from reality is horrifying and painful: like being about to be killed in a dream state and then waking up from that nightmare screaming, thus, the whole reference in the Monica Bellucci dream about the dreame’s dreaming and the question about who really is the dreamer. This would also jive with what happened to Audrey as the real Audrey probably woke up in a hospital soon after her tulpa sprang the mortal coil. The real Audrey was most likely in a coma from the bomb explosion in the bank 25 years ago. This would also be consistent with the shocked look in Audrey face when she looked at herself in the mirror. She was also wearing a hospital like gown and was in a white room. Bad Coop and some other demons most likely made the tulpa to replace Audrey. I think the main victim, Laura was probably a tulpa too given the fact that she tells James in FWWM that she is not herself and that real Laura was gone long ago. Regarding the Black Lodge, time is non-linear and doesn't exist in such a fashion in the Lodges- as it does in our world-hence the one armed man's question, "is this the future or the past?" Given this set up, here's what I think happened: the real coop indirectly caused Laura Palmer's murder as well a time loop in Twin Peaks when he went back in time. Indeed, in FWWM, when Laura and James stop in the middle of the woods and talk and Laura looks over James's shoulder across the woods, she screams.But in the movie itself we don't see what she sees- it's left up to the imagination of the viewer. However, in TP3, we see that Agent Cooper is standing behind some trees and bushes staring at her. In the FWWM version, Laura screams and is frightened by what she doesn't understand -- namely, the FBI agent from her dreams and the person whom Annie referred to, is standing across the woods from her. This fear causes her to react by withdrawing to the company of Leo, Jacques, and Ronette for sex, drugs and alcohol which we know ultimately leads to the clutches of Bob, who has possessed Leland. In the TP3 version, Laura makes the alternate and active decision to face her fear and take Coop's hand, which in turn, erases the events leading to her fate. But remember, it's Laura's death that also leads her soul or essence to be trapped in the Black Lodge as well. Since, she is no longer in the BL and since time has no meaning in the BL (at least not the way that we know it), not only does Laura's corpse disappear in Ep. 17, but she is also yanked or torn from the BL in S 03 ep 02. Here's where the analysis gets a bit tricky:the demons that were released way back in '45 (namely Bob and Judy) congregated to TP, Washington because it was a hotbed of spiritual activity. Moreover, they went to the BL (which is not evil by itself per se) in order to gain power and information. I think this is where they gained the knowledge of the existence of the Laura entity which was sent to counterbalance them. Mind you, time is not linear in the BL realm and there is a time loop in TP . And, so Judy and Bob created a birth-like tulpa in Laura Palmer. First, Judy entered young Sarah Palmer's mouth via a bug in '56 and laid dormant inside her. And then, Bob gradually entered into a young Leland Palmer. Sarah and Leland got married and Sarah had Laura Palmer (who is a tulpa of the benevolent Laura entity). S and L sought to use the tulpa to assimilate and corrupt the good Laura entity. Nonetheless, when Laura chose to go with Coop in Ep 17 instead of going to Leo and gang, the time loop in the TP world was broken. Since Laura never got murdered and never put on the ring which sent her soul or spiritual essence to the BL- Judy and the demons not only lost access to the Laura tulpa, but they also lost the information leading to their awareness of the Laura entity. Judy became aware that she was losing the tulpa and thus any possible opportunity to corrupt the Laura entity so that's why she grabbed the picture with image of Laura and started smashing it. But, without an awareness of who the Laura entity is, the tulpa as a device to gain access to the Laura entity became obsolete so that's why Laura Palmer was ripped from the hands of Coop as they were traveling in the woods. Thus, in effect, Cooper did save Laura but Coop saving her, also had the inapposite result of ripping her from their reality. But, Coop, did also create an alternate timeline by going to the past and perhaps a retroactive alternate timeline. So, without any knowledge or access to the Laura entity in the alternate timeline, and since Laura Palmer never went to the BL in the alternate timeline in the first place, Judy and Bob did not seek to cultivate her as an access device. And although Leland and Sarah did have a daughter in the alternate timeline- in the alternate world, they put her up for adoption as a baby and that she wound up in Odessa, TX with the Page family and was given the name of Carrie Page. Finally, Coop gained an awareness that his actions created the alternate universe where Laura now may not know of who she was in the first timeline: thus, the whole reference of killing two birds with one stone- saving Laura by taking her with him to make her aware of who she really is. But, I think that Cooper himself did not know that even Carrie Page is a copy and that the only real Laura is the Laura entity itself or herself. Cooper's actions again were doomed to failure because by making Carrie aware of who she was in the other world, Carrie would also come to the sudden realization that she too was a tulpa as some hidden piece of information lay dormant within her--- which was triggered by her visit to her original house in TP. Therefore, the reference to Richard and Linda was thus a warning- Cooper was not meant to go after and save alternate universe Laura (Carrie Page) as Richard and Linda were not meant to be together as so stated in that letter. Hope this helps.
@schnozchan6606
@schnozchan6606 5 лет назад
This is the most spot on analysis of The Return from a purely narrative stand point I have come across. Big props for putting all this shit together in a RU-vid comment of all formats, seems more fitting for a fuckin essay in MLA lmao. Cheers.
@CrumblyTriscuits
@CrumblyTriscuits 3 года назад
I like this.
@str.77
@str.77 2 года назад
One shouldn't invent Tulpas where there are none. There was no Audrey Tulpa but Audrey dreaming up stuff in coma until she woke up.
@martincotadoteho3754
@martincotadoteho3754 Месяц назад
No one ever explain Twin peaks 100%. If it's even explainable. Your theory is something 55-80%.
@ALLNAMESAREALLREADYT
@ALLNAMESAREALLREADYT Месяц назад
@@schnozchan6606 thank you
@RedlegsBluelegs
@RedlegsBluelegs 2 года назад
Just got done watching the show, really enjoyed this podcast as it didn't get too hung up on the logic of the mythology and actually focussed on the themes. So much of the show felt apocalyptic. From the extreme levels of violence being perpetrated within suburbia to the empty streets and broken down buildings that the characters are constantly moving through. I loved the location that Cooper returns to in the place of Dougie. A failed housing estate, designed as a picturesque modern suburb that had not quite been abandoned, because it never actually took off, now only used by drug addicts and sex workers because no one could actually afford to live there.
@rini6
@rini6 6 лет назад
Twin Peaks The Return was deeply sad. It was only by being deeply sad that it could it be deeply true and meaningful in today’s world. I write this comment after yet another mass shooting (the worst one in our history so far.) I write this during the threat of nuclear apocalypse and amidst a horrible rape of the middle class and a heartbreaking opioid epidemic. All of these are reflected in the series, despite the fact that they were only burgeoning issues during the actual production. Lynch has truly captured the spirit of our current situation and we are all Audrey. We are all the zombie girl in the car. We all have moments when we realize that we are empty as Diane was in her manifestation as a tulpa. We are all Laura Palmer as Carrie visiting her childhood home and Lynch and Frost are Dale Cooper/Richard forcing us to confront reaility.
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
Irene Haralabatos Sad but true :(
@triplucid3563
@triplucid3563 6 лет назад
Irene Haralabatos☆☆☆☆☆♡♡♡♡ Amen!!!!!!
@bagginsthemighty
@bagginsthemighty 6 лет назад
Not all of us are Audrey. Some of us are Leland Palmer. Some of us are Bob.
@Rik-B
@Rik-B 6 лет назад
Note that Leland himself said he knew Bob (or someone like Bob) as a child, which means that he too was more like Audrey/Laura/any other victim character before he became what he eventually was. This is also why Cooper's Doppelganger was a thing: Because noone is born evil, it takes the process of being a victim, failing at dealing with one's own past and finally snapping to become something like Bob or Mr. C - or Sarah when she is possessed. I think that's one of the points of the show: There is no committer who hasn't been a victim before.
@666gorewhore
@666gorewhore 6 лет назад
As strange as I found your interpretation, i liked it. A little silly at times but also really cool.
@fuffle7
@fuffle7 3 года назад
The Return reflecting the decline of the American way of life is such a nuanced take, I hadn't even thought of that but it makes perfect sense.
@robfalgiano
@robfalgiano Год назад
It feels perhaps even more resonant now than when it came out. Predictive.
@sliceserve234
@sliceserve234 Год назад
And here, two years after the original post, things have gotten even worse. trump is basically a watered down version of Hitler, and after several damning indictments continues to command a huge lead in republican polling, climate change is ripping things apart, many countries are turning to autocracies,(even Israel!), the COVID epidemic, the insane and brutal invasion of Ukraine by Russia and the mad man Putin, soaring suicide rates, soaring drug addiction rates, etc. etc.
@autodidacticprofessor869
@autodidacticprofessor869 6 лет назад
Lynch has always answered the questions about the resolutions of characters with, "What do you think?". He is giving US the opportunity to solve the mystery with our imaginations. I agree with the assessment that there is an underlying message about the decay of society and hints that "Judy/Jowday" may be the cause. Cooper's long game plan was to contain and stop this negative force. Whether he succeeded is up to you. What happened to Audrey? The only thing we are shown is that she's not okay. Lynch gave us the gift of mystery but sadly most people are programmed to be told the whole story and that's ultimately what bothers most people. I have come to grips with this and realize that if we were told these things, the show could be shelved and forgotten about. Instead, it's left open and alive in our imaginations, if we so choose to keep it there. Lynch has both lamented that he had to expose the killer of Laura Palmer and stated how much he loves the world of Twin Peaks, so it stands to reason that he wants it to live as mystery. If we do get more Twin Peaks in the future, we should still not expect it to be wrapped in a bow and laid bare at the end.
@triplucid3563
@triplucid3563 6 лет назад
Ian Ballard: yep if Someone wants simple Disneyland fantasy they can go there, or buy one from ye olde Disney vaults, and have a good old jolly time and all that crap haha
@kriswilliams3598
@kriswilliams3598 6 лет назад
FUCK THAT SHIT! I WANT A CONCLUSIVE ENDING TO TWIN PEAKS AND i WANT IT AT THE END OF SEASON 4. LYNCH CAN SUCK A CHOAD IF HE THINKS HE'S GETTING AWAY WITH THIS "IT WAS ALL A DREAM" BULLSHIT!
@jgreenzicle
@jgreenzicle 6 лет назад
I think it’s a little holier than thou to say that most people are “programmed” to have a resolution. The fact of the matter is resolutions are made to get a point across and give a sense of action and consequence than gives a deeper meaning to the story. David Lynch’s style is just that: a style. It is divergent from the norm, but not superior. Lynch’s works are experiences, and have dream-like aspects where you learn from verbalizing what you’ve seen, but this is not an effective method if you’re trying to get a specific point across and make a clear statement. It’s just one of two choices: Start a discussion or contribute to the discussion?
@666gorewhore
@666gorewhore 6 лет назад
If Lynch pisses you off so much why don't you cry about it and move on man? Lynch is always himself so what do you expect? Breaking Bad? As much as that show is awesome, it was made to be what it was. Twin Peaks was made by Lynch and he should be able to say with if what he wants to say. Art has many interpretations. How do you know you'd like the ending? I hope he does give you one though. And I'm really just talking. Not trying to be a dink
@Assimandeli
@Assimandeli 5 лет назад
I do feel it's a bit unfair to say "sadly most people are programmed to be told the whole story" as if people disliked the show only because they're mental midgets. I don't mind open ended stories. For example, I really love the Australian film Picnic at Hanging Rock that doesn't explain the mystery at the end. The director's cut is even more vague, as it's one of the few director's cuts that actually removes exposition instead of adding it. The difference between the two is that Picnic at the Hanging Rock is a visually good looking film and it has a mesmerising quality to it, while TP season 3 looks like hot garbage and the writing is embarrassing. It also doesn't help that all the themes the show had were already done better in other previous Lynch movies, especially in Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. Some of that is subjective opinions, of course. I think people should also remember that Twin Peaks the Return was not a David Lynch film. It was a continuation to a murder mystery TV show that parodied soaps. People who loved the original series had every right to be disappointed in the new one. People expected, if not a total resolution, at least something similiar. After all, they called the show "Twin Peaks: The Return", not "Twin Peaks: Something Completely Different". It's like promising people spaghetti and bolognese, but instead giving them noodles and teriyaki, and then calling them unsophisticated swine when they get disappointed. Also, Lynch is not the only experimental film maker out there, you know. In fact, some pompous "kinophiles" would consider Lynch to be a "pleb-tier" mainstream director. I don't know why I felt like writing all of this. No offense intended.
@dead_end_king
@dead_end_king 6 лет назад
“What year is this?” Just typing this comment gave me goosebumps. A phenomenal series, without a doubt.
@lawjef
@lawjef 3 года назад
It is exactly the kind of thought we all have in the middle of a bad dream, when we realize that things are horribly messed up
@curtisfarnham7629
@curtisfarnham7629 6 лет назад
Gentlemen - thank you! Outstanding analysis. You've touched on something that most others have overlooked; TPTR was social commentary (addiction, gun violence, the decline of the middle class, the Great Recession and it's after effects) about the state of America... and what a bleak statement it was. As Kubricks version of "The Shining" was really about the holocaust and/or the genocide of the American Indians TPTR was about something much much larger. We're turning ourselves inside out trying to figure out what happened with Coop, Laura and Judy at the end but in this process I think most of us are missing the point that Lynch/Frost are trying to make.. You're recap articulated perfectly what we really witnessed. Hard to take but undeniably brilliant. TPTR will haunt me for the rest of my days.
@brothadarrell8315
@brothadarrell8315 3 года назад
Twin Peaks died in the 90s. To me seasons one and 2 were the 2 birds killed with one stone.. which was season 3. Of course I still hope for more. Lynch and Kubrick were always the best and I will enjoy anything new from Lynch. God..I wish Kubrick was here to have seen Lynch's later works since he was also a huge fan
@suncore598
@suncore598 6 лет назад
Great observations. Like you, I see The Return as Lynch making a point that there's no going back. No going back to the good, old familiar days of the show. No going back to who the characters were in their prime. No going back for characters who either can't move on (ex. Sarah Palmer) or wish they could undo what was for the better (ex. Dale Cooper). A haunting, tragic message. But I also see, on the other side, a sliver of hope for those on the show who have let go of the past and bettered themselves by forging towards the future (ex. Bobby Briggs).
@denizuzunmezzo
@denizuzunmezzo 6 лет назад
Thank you for addressing the socio-political background of this masterpiece series. Traumas exist in any place in this world. Though I’m not american I could relate to any emotion that D. Lynch addressed regarding absurdity, funny moments, longing for romanticism, deep sadness and traumas. Lynch is literally an instinctive painter of what’s going on in the world with all it’s beautiful and disturbing colors.
@vladimirivan3963
@vladimirivan3963 6 лет назад
After listening to A LOT of commentaries on TP: The Return, this is truly the best one out there! Very inspiring to listen to you guys talking. Thanks!
@pawesadowski3804
@pawesadowski3804 6 лет назад
I thought that you made more videos but this is the first contribution. Very good interpretation. I really like your way of talking. Keep it up.
@lizj729
@lizj729 6 лет назад
Wow. This has got to be the best explanation I've heard yet. Bravo you guys! And now that I think of it when Cooper was trying to lead Laura back, she disappeared. You can't return. Wildly introspective. I am living for all of this!
@ericeast7860
@ericeast7860 5 лет назад
5 minutes in and you guys done blew my mind. Great recap of all the social commentary. It's a layer of Twin Peaks most overlook in search for the meaning.
@ericeast7860
@ericeast7860 5 лет назад
@9:00 perfect analogy would be the "Aristocrats" joke. I think Audrey is the dreamer. I think we are supposed to deduce this. Dale changed the timeline and she kinda sorta woke up from the dream. She looks to either be in a low security mental facility or a type of Lodge we haven't seen before. A waiting room for those in comas. That moment Laura's body disappears is when that random act of violence interrupts Audrey's Dance. Then when she goes to Charlie and tells him to get her out of there is when Dale and Laura go from black and white to color, or when Laura disappears and when hear the electrical noise. How did Audrey sense this timeline shift? Is there any chance Audrey is somehow connected to the Senorita Dido Lodge entity?
@leprechaungiant1
@leprechaungiant1 3 года назад
Thank you for your social commentary on the Return, so many people gloss over this to get to the “main story”, but I think this is all just as important as everything else. Thank you for talking about it,
@robf1557
@robf1557 5 месяцев назад
Twin Peaks being essentially a Norm MacDonald joke is hilarious
@jgraves501
@jgraves501 6 лет назад
Sincerely hope another season of Twin Peaks is in the works! Would love to hear even more analysis from this channel!
@RaymondMcCarron1
@RaymondMcCarron1 6 лет назад
your joint readings of the return are truly fascinating.
@michaelritter3741
@michaelritter3741 6 лет назад
Nice point of view, well presented... Good luck with your channel!
@ruthswift-wood2754
@ruthswift-wood2754 6 лет назад
I've watched a lot of Twin Peaks analysis and theory videos over the last few weeks and this is one of the most insightful from a cultural and emotional perspective. You should definitely keep on doing podcasts!
@stephanieschenkel7329
@stephanieschenkel7329 6 лет назад
Very similar to my thoughts while watching The Return. Looking back the original series was a similar commentary at a different time. Thank you for the video, I hope there are more.
@frankkrumnow7194
@frankkrumnow7194 6 лет назад
The social decline theme was really apperent even if you're not american but it's not mentioned in many of those twin peaks shows. TY
@somniansvulpes
@somniansvulpes 6 лет назад
A very smart analysis. Thank you, it has been a pleasure to hear your views. I was kind of drowning under the explanations wich only stayed on the surface, and only searched to understand plot twists wich would never be answered. Cheers from France !
@niklase5901
@niklase5901 6 лет назад
This was the best commantary on Twin Peaks the return i have heard. It really made me see the series in a new light. I totally missed the social commentary side because I was so focused on all the plot details. This is what is what I now think the show was about: - evil exists but it’s not personal (evil can infect different people) - stuff exists beyond our control that we can’t understand because it is hidden and it’s so complex (all the stuff with the giant ringing the bell and orbs etc). - the fight against evil is worthwhile (the agents are the only people that seems happy in the series) - people do not have a genuine self, they are hosts - reality is not so real that we might think. Things are fleeting and ever changing. I actually think the scream in the final scene killed the evil Judy. So it was a happy ending
@MetalTrenches
@MetalTrenches 6 лет назад
The showrunners have stated that "The Return" subtitle didn't have any real meaning. It's not even on the scripts and it's not included in the physical release. Just an fyi.
@TH-eo9vo
@TH-eo9vo 6 лет назад
I like the music in the beginning, did you compose it?
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
thony H it's by a musician named MB Jones. This is an unreleased track but you can check out his other work here. mbjones.bandcamp.com/releases holyyolk.bandcamp.com/album/massachusetts-classical jeejee.bandcamp.com/
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
Metal Trenches We'll be addressing this in an upcoming video.
@LfunkeyA
@LfunkeyA 6 лет назад
maybe not to the showrunners, but it certainly has meaning to the creators. it's all about the concept of returning and what it means.
@bearhustler
@bearhustler 6 лет назад
It's season 3, 'The Return' was just a marketing title that came from Showtime. I've been in a room when Sabrina Sutherland has stated that as fact and that that's Lynch's opinion.
@nickmather2132
@nickmather2132 6 лет назад
One of the most thoughtful explorations I've come across regarding The Return.
@luisaumlauf3076
@luisaumlauf3076 6 лет назад
good review, guys - while most people just come up with dozens of theories about the finale that are leading to nowhere, you actually are dealing with the theme of the whole show. your conclusions are plausible and valid, though I think a piece of art like this can never have THE ONE meaning, it will resonate in each viewer in a different way...
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
Luisa Umlauf Luisa Umlauf Thanks! We actually do get into more specific theories about what the finale meant on the podcast, I totally agree -- ultimately, we are all detectives here and that's what makes this show so easy to get obsessed about.
@designerlarry
@designerlarry 6 лет назад
This is very well done and I think this is an explanation of the symbolism that describes life today, somewhat romanticized but pretty much spot on.
@patrikpodo4162
@patrikpodo4162 6 лет назад
Finally theories that makes sense. I am european, but my wife comes from "like" twin peaks town of WA I can clearly see how this is social statement about current status of working class of country side of US. If you dont understand, go see first 2 years of TP and compare....I am shocked that no one else saw it same way as you guys, they are all busy trying to solve the puzzle....istead of just let go and let the show go "thought you".
@sliceserve234
@sliceserve234 Год назад
I've seen several takes on the third season, but I really appreciate this one. Rather than got caught up in the over the top bizarre scenes, these guys explore what may have been in Lynch's head more broadly as he contemplated what a third season would be, and what it would say. In many ways the modern world has become very bleak for many people, and I think noticing that meta for the third season was very precise.
@mylesshapiro5992
@mylesshapiro5992 6 лет назад
oh man. Love your description at about 9 in! Couldn't have put it better.
@JediBunny
@JediBunny 6 лет назад
Excellent discussion, Guys, thanks so much for making this! A lot of food for thought here, enough to put on a Double R menu!
@gloriaillustrations3483
@gloriaillustrations3483 6 лет назад
Thank you Now It's Dark, this is brilliant. Being French (it doesn't translate lol) I daren't ask anybody about the social situation we're shown in season 3, so many vacant houses at the Rancho Rosa housing estate, so many people living in mobile-homes, the problems of health insurance and poverty of working people, as Miriam, and retired people of course. The American Dream isn't anymore what it used to be. You answered many of my questionnings,thanks. Also the problems of drugs and so many lost young people. All these echo in France/Europe aswell, everything getting worse, the middle class is vanishing. Yes, the times have changed, and Twin Peaks S3 couldn't be the Twin Peaks we knew 25 years ago. I guess that's why some 'fans' hated it. Nonetheless, Lynch and Frost gave us an absolutely brilliant and magnificent masterpiece, the most beautiful and intelligent show I've ever seen on TV and certainly for many years to come. Also hours of podcasts, videos, talks with fans, and I hope this will go on! ;)
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
Gloria Illustrations thank you so much! We hope so too :)
@MikeSpicyWinner
@MikeSpicyWinner 3 года назад
Wow, that was amazing. You just earned a subscriber. I would love to hear you guys talk more about Twin Peaks. Thank you
@craigmorgan4338
@craigmorgan4338 6 лет назад
Anyone that knows Lynch’s work knew that you would be left with more questions than answers. Some things should be wrapped up others shouldn't and twin peaks is definitely in the latter.
@CCoyle-fs3ym
@CCoyle-fs3ym 6 лет назад
Very interesting. I've been intrigued with Twin Peaks since my Mother used to watch it religiously on its original run (I was too young to grasp it even if she would've let me watch it). It's a strange series, I don't "get it" but at the same time i do, it's unusual, hard to describe but the points you made in the video where something I picked up on while watching it as an adult. I'd say it's very artistic and unlike anything else on television.
@shanehuntcreative
@shanehuntcreative 6 лет назад
Wow. Domination. Amazing synopsis. Thanks so much for this.
@davidsands100
@davidsands100 3 года назад
David Lynch has always made dreams where you wake up before you hit the ground.
@LSHSrandomness
@LSHSrandomness 6 лет назад
Only thing wrong with the analysis -- Lynch and Sabrina Sutherland (Exec Producer) have both said that "The Return" was just a title Showtime came up with to distinguish the new season from the old one during reruns. On set, in the script, and to both Lynch and Frost, this was "Twin Peaks: Season 3". Lynch referred to it as "Season 3" on set too!
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
Vicente Garcia Bart Scantlin Thanks for pointing that out, you're very right. However, I think it's clear that "returning" was thematically baked into the show during the writing process, years before Showtime settled on this marketing strategy. Cooper being stranded in the body of Dougie, the town of Twin Peaks being beset by countless problems, the Odyssey/Odessa connection in episode 18, to name a few examples. We're arguing that returning was the major theme of this revival, regardless of what it was called.
@ThePores
@ThePores 6 лет назад
I agree, the whole thing about wanting to return to the past is definitely a theme. Could be more Frost than Lynch actually, but it goes well with Lynch's "dark underbelly" theme. And there IS a lot of political content in the Return. Consider the scene when "Good Cooper" gets out of the hospital and tells Janey-E to get out of the driver's seat: "It's OK, Janey-E, I'll drive". The return of "Good Cooper" also means the return of old fashioned family values with daddy behind the wheel, not mommy.
@nateblack8669
@nateblack8669 4 года назад
This is the best take I've heard on The Return and what it all actually means 👍
@4GeRLvX
@4GeRLvX 5 лет назад
Great analysis, guys... on the spot!
@juma__
@juma__ 3 года назад
8:47 Like the Norm McDonald "Moth Joke". Genius.
@alecgreen94
@alecgreen94 2 года назад
May he RIP
@JamesSmithGrattan
@JamesSmithGrattan 2 года назад
Good conversational pace. Nice work!
@arcubal
@arcubal 6 лет назад
Solid analysis. Particularly the analogy of 'skin-surface Americana' having eroded and replaced by the 'underbelly sick reality.' It gave me the mental image of a zombie (which might be why zombies are so in the media zeitgeist). Also, the absurd joke towards our longing that is the fallacy of 'the good old days' is apt. The good old days were only 'good' for those who were in a safety bubble and not discriminated against (white suburbanites). So, of course, it makes sense that they and the children they raised long for those days, ignoring that, even then, there was a cancerous greed in America that has fed until it's now bloated and sick (zombies again?) The ironic joke now is, of course, that we, the media consumers, have placated ourselves in a similar fashion, longing (as you stated) for a nostalgic return to 80's and 90's shows/films whilst ignoring the call to wake up from our self-induced dreams. So, yes, David Lynch made an astoundingly accurate (and painful enough for those to realize) assessment of the current American mindset.
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
Great point - especially regarding the fact that the good old days certainly weren't good for everyone. In fact that disparity is probably why "the return" as it were, seems to be so monstrous and unsettling. By returning we also unleash all that was repressed from the past social reality.
@marcomiceli7743
@marcomiceli7743 6 лет назад
Such a sad state.
@blackfuse8893
@blackfuse8893 6 лет назад
This is from a recent interview with Lynch from Wired... -Your work has always some­what obliquely reflected Amer­ican culture. Do you feel a responsibility, as an artist, to reflect this sense of post­election anxiety in the world?- "Zero responsibility. Do your work. Catch those ideas that you fall in love with and make them realized." I highly doubt Lynch was ever commenting on the American health care system in Twin Peaks. Too much a surface level understanding of his work. He may not even know what some of these ideas mean yet, and neither do we. Thats whats beautiful about it all...endless possibility.
@CrumblyTriscuits
@CrumblyTriscuits 3 года назад
Really? I thought the return actually gave us all the answers we were asking for, and I believe quite literally. Eg:the evolution of the arm is portrayed this time literally as an electrical tree. And as for the music/sound, it was expanded on. The Fireman tells us, literally, to listen to the sounds, it is a huge factor in the return. It not only gives us all the answers, but gives us new questions as well which I always believed was a major theme of Twin Peaks. I agree with your assessment of the diminished "American dream" theory. As for everything else I do not agree. Twin Peaks I don't think was ever meant to be watched only once. I remember the day she died, I was watching, and every time I watch it again I learn something new. To suggest it is just a joke is completely obsured to me as a Lynch fan.
@lawjef
@lawjef 3 года назад
Theories on why Laura looked drugged in the final scene of the Return? She was clearly given directions to act like someone on sedatives (or a comparable drug). Did Cooper drug her? Was she having a mental episode? Was she in the middle of a dream? Seems key to understanding the series and I have not seen any theories online as to why Lynch made her appear that way
@martincotadoteho3754
@martincotadoteho3754 Месяц назад
In couple videos is it explained. Way she slowly blinks remind waking up from a dream.
@cassetterescue2692
@cassetterescue2692 6 лет назад
Great discussion, lots of new thoughts
@JNadobnik
@JNadobnik 6 лет назад
I enjoyed this take on The Return and I understand the decay etc. But I have to say that life actually gets better and better every day. There is no decay, well maybe physically. People don’t work in a sawmill anymore, they have office jobs. Lesser people die, lesser violence on earth, better medical care!
@danielplainview2584
@danielplainview2584 Год назад
Yeah but this is focusing on the decay of small town America, where decent jobs are often few and far between.
@lemerdeposteur
@lemerdeposteur 5 лет назад
Congratulations on 1,000 subscribers.
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 5 лет назад
Thank you!
@Nemion
@Nemion 6 лет назад
Jennifer Jason Leigh's character shot first. The Poliah guy shot in self-defense.
@gregv2k
@gregv2k Год назад
The need for answers is the problem. Balance is found between the extremes, being able to stay in the question, to embrace the void without having to fill it with the false satisfaction of what makes sense to you. The show turns on the viewer’s ability to take what is given at face value without shoehorning it into some twisted nostalgia. That’s no joke.
@vincentknight27
@vincentknight27 6 лет назад
The best video I’ve seen on The Return this far. Twin Peaks The Return, aka Make Twin Peaks Great Again
@Betmas2
@Betmas2 6 лет назад
Brilliant Return from top to bottom 👏
@aidanodonoghue
@aidanodonoghue 6 лет назад
It's refreshing to come across content that explores how the show relates to society instead of speculating on what it all means (in terms of whether Dale Cooper has succeeded or not). There's a place for both approaches but most videos I've seen are primarily concerned with the latter.
@pawesadowski3804
@pawesadowski3804 6 лет назад
For them it's a puzzle. Nothing more. My reaction just after ending was the same but then why we had to explain everything. I started to be very angry when I watched those videos. Paradoxally this show is quiet easy to read. Interpratation is a different story but explanation? Nah!
@kaiseikku6148
@kaiseikku6148 6 лет назад
Don't know if it was just me but the Twin Peaks police station, although unchanged from the outside, appeared far larger and a lot more populated with staff than 25 years ago. Even if the town probably will have shrunk along with loss of jobs etc. If true, this would reflect the same idea of the collapse of rural America.
@nowitsdarkmovie
@nowitsdarkmovie 6 лет назад
great point!
@garycottier92
@garycottier92 6 лет назад
There were about the same amount of staff as the original. In episode seven or eight of the original when they arrest Jaques Renault there are plenty of other deputy's there and in the station after the arrest(I think there's quite a few deputy's when they go to Jaques cabin too). Just don't see them very often, that's all.
@CipherSerpico
@CipherSerpico 5 лет назад
To add to the point around 3:00 ... I definitely think that a lot of the shows revolves around the relationships between parents and their children, and the consequences of those relationships, i.e. how bad parenting shapes the future of the children. I’m still not sure what the very end of the finale meant, but it is interesting that it goes back to Laura and her mother whispering her name.
@PublicEnemy04
@PublicEnemy04 4 года назад
"The only thing that burns in hell is your guilt. Your memories, your attachments, they burn them all away. But they're not punishing you. They're freeing your soul."
@ChrstphreCampbell
@ChrstphreCampbell 6 лет назад
You seem to be suggesting that Twin Peaks is largely a Compendium of Various Ideas, But that these many sub-narratives DON'T tie together in any meaningful way, in so far as it has anything to do with The Fate of Special Agent Dale Cooper or The Investigation of Laura Palmer's Death/Murder ( ? )
@Buzzode
@Buzzode 6 лет назад
Keep the Twin Peaks Discussions Coming !!
@criticalcatalyst
@criticalcatalyst 6 лет назад
I like how you guys touched upon returns and how returning is painful, and in a cultural sense it is overwhelmingly tragic and sad that we desire to return to the past because of certain nostalgiac moments and things that were comforting despite the daily existential pain and sadness that we all endure and continue to experience. Those nuggets of nostalgia of bygone times have this profound impact upon our psyche and I think that's why we long for them again and again, because they are security blankets despite our jaded sorrows amidst the radioactive decay we call society...
@davidcripps3011
@davidcripps3011 4 года назад
There are so many levels to The Return. One is how logic and reason stand no chance against the chaos of life and reality
@dustingd1
@dustingd1 6 лет назад
Absolutely brilliant analysis.
@raswartz
@raswartz 5 лет назад
Good discussion. Nice break from endless speculation about alternate dimensions and timelines, etc.
@ericwycoff1399
@ericwycoff1399 6 лет назад
Very very awesome talk you guys!
@NightOfTheLiving8bit
@NightOfTheLiving8bit 6 лет назад
I don’t think it’s an elaborate joke, I think it’s half conclusion and half of a ‘joke’. But I use ‘joke’ in the means of weeding out two types of people who have become attracted to the show, for one reason or another. It’s kind of reflection of the audience, some get it, some won’t. Not in a pretentious way, but in a ‘there are those who understand, and those that won’t, unless things are clearly written out for them’. Just like all art, it’s up to interpretation. The ‘suckers’ are those who look at something, expecting to see something exact...rather than finding your own meaning in it all. There is obviously a lot of symbolism throughout the show, but a continuing story arc. At its core-face, the story arc is easily seen. But it’s actuality, can only be understood on an individual level. I honestly didn’t expect to find an ending to the show, especially after Fire Walk With Me. And for me, subtitling the show ‘The Return’ means, a return to what we already know...there are no real answers. Only further levels of information. It’s a return, a return to the unknown.
@gibmireinecho5882
@gibmireinecho5882 6 лет назад
Good Channel, good content! Keep on doing this.
@kerrimichi530
@kerrimichi530 2 года назад
Being left with the impression that it's an elaborate joke is sad. So much was resolved. The season showed the creation of Bob by the floating white demon "Judy" after the atom bomb exploded, the creation of Laura in the Golden orb as a weapon to combat that evil, the giant's plan to trap and destroy Judy, Coop time traveling to save Laura resulting in her being in that pocket universe years later, at the end they find the entity which is living inside Laura's mom (remember she removed her face and we see the entity inside that bites the guy's neck off) and Laura is the weapon used to destroy the entity with her energy/scream. Laura was always the plan. The channel Take The Ring has excellent breakdowns and explains the questions that were answered.
@donaldpriola1807
@donaldpriola1807 2 года назад
Most of what you said makes sense. It's not a joke, though--it's downright serious (and it's not time travel, it's a different reality). Cooper defies nature to change a wrong, and nature essentially tells him, "No, this is the way the world will always be. It just takes different forms." Laura, no matter her form, will always be tragic. Cooper/Richard/Evil Cooper/Dougie and Diane/Linda are just alternate reality flavors of how they could have ended up (the difference between evil and good Coop is thinner than people realize). Lynch's riff on the rapidly disappearing veneer of the american dream is just another way of saying that the world can't (and won't) change, multiple realities aside. It's dark. But I agree with him.
@g.j.koster1986
@g.j.koster1986 5 лет назад
you guys are spot on!
@hawjtsim
@hawjtsim 3 года назад
Since we already know how mess up this show can be, I wonder if new watchers can watch it in this order and still have fun: Twin Peaks: Season 1 Twin Peaks: The Return (Season 3) Twin Peaks: Season 2 Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me Ends the first season with a shocker, goes into a dream-like alternative realm, wakes up from a bad dream to continue from the original season. Ends with what starts the whole thing. What do you think?
@steveowen3155
@steveowen3155 6 лет назад
Very good. Some of the few fan critics who have understood S3.
@NF-xy6br
@NF-xy6br 6 лет назад
really enjoyed this. very much
@atarigames
@atarigames 6 лет назад
It IS called Twin Peaks Season Three. Sabrina Sutherland has made this very clear. "The Return" is just something Showtime used to differentiate it from prior seasons. Never once do you see it called "The Return" in the show credits. DVD packaging says "Twin Peaks Season Three"
@markusburns329
@markusburns329 6 лет назад
atari.io it does not say season 3 on the package. It says limited event series.
@atarigames
@atarigames 6 лет назад
markus burns It said "TWIN PEAKS THE THIRD SEASON" when it was announced. Then they changed it. See for yourself: welcometotwinpeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/twin-peaks-the-third-season-dvd-bluray.jpg
@lukeshioshio
@lukeshioshio 5 лет назад
This video made some good points, but it kind of took one element of season 3 as the whole, and it seems like they missed the point. There’s also tons of season 4 hype in season 3 so it’s about continuing the story. It’s not just about whatever statement these guys took from it. Still not a bad podcast.
@andylikesstuffchannel
@andylikesstuffchannel Год назад
People want to relive being young and remembering moments from being young that's Humanity and that's what Lynch is telling us
@PogieJoe
@PogieJoe 6 лет назад
Your thoughts about the show portraying the dying middle class were beautiful.
@madisonbadger9454
@madisonbadger9454 6 лет назад
Brilliant review
@rini6
@rini6 6 лет назад
Oh and as far as more cherry pie, I mean more Twin Peaks related podcasts.... Yes please.
@omgsolikevalleygirl
@omgsolikevalleygirl 5 лет назад
maybe one achievement of Twin Peaks and Lynch is to make the fantastic so terrifying and repelling that you really don't want to seek it out and escape into it - makes the actual reality kind of manageable in comparison
@stratrovarius
@stratrovarius Год назад
The picture of young Audrey & Dale at 13:05 is a proof why i hate time itself.
@wojtekart4950
@wojtekart4950 6 лет назад
Thank you Guys for that video. Captures perfectly this philosophical and sociological void
@TwinPeaksUKFestival
@TwinPeaksUKFestival 5 лет назад
The Polish accountant scene is outstanding - so much said but unsaid!
@jameslane8592
@jameslane8592 21 день назад
This would coincide with the tone of the Interview Project.
@jacobreeves3110
@jacobreeves3110 3 года назад
Everything In Twin Peaks has a double meaning. It’s meta commentary at its core.
@CharlesStarlon
@CharlesStarlon 9 месяцев назад
I thought if Infinite Jest being intentionally written to make the reader have an unsettling feeling as a goal as you learn about the world in the book and what brings happiness has changed once someone's disease has manifested.
@adalbertoruiz7651
@adalbertoruiz7651 2 года назад
In Twin Peaks we always see how each person is immersed in its own internal (psychic, emotional) world and how this leads to a lot of disgrace, since most people are involved with bad things and can't get out of a vicious cycle (domestic violence, sexual abuse, drugs etc.). It's an important message to understand this "dark age" (as stated by Janey-E).
@fusionspace175
@fusionspace175 6 лет назад
It wasn't all for nothing, Laura's body was gone. That changes the entire timeline or maybe even creates a whole new universe, we don't know yet. That's a big deal, as it may retcon seasons one and two entirely. I think Laura is needed for some final battle with evil. I think Dale and everyone else are just tools to accomplish this. Her death was a failure and her ressurection was Dale's entire quest from episode 1 season 1 til now.
@bellby
@bellby 6 лет назад
good content my dudes.
@lenfeder8937
@lenfeder8937 2 года назад
I thiink that Audrey has nothing to do with the story. I think she was arguing with David Lynch about how she fits into the series. I think when Charlie tells her that he might end her story, that is David Lynch placing himself into TP as Charlie, telling Sherilyn Fenn that he disagrees with her, he's "so tired" of her arguing, and he might write her out of the story.
@Johnkeav
@Johnkeav 6 лет назад
The true ending of Twin peaks is in the last scenes of the film Fire Walk with me i.e. Laura is finally saved as an angel comes and get's her. Lynch and Mark Frost didn't just add this in for abstract fun. We can already see they have consciously linked season 3 to prior episodes, including the film. She was saved, and went to the light (and Cooper was probably an agent of the light lodge). Therefore.......all the speculation over the end of season 3 is relatively pointless. As said throughout...."is this future...or is this past"? PS. Audrey is trapped in a hell world. She always loved young, attractive men. She now forever is apparently wedded to an ugly, un-romantic dwarf like man who will never sweep her off her feet. For some reason her consciousness temporarily returns or get's disrupted, to likely reveal a metaphorical mirror either 1) to symbolize her lost youth and beauty forever lost and/or 2) perhaps symbolizing her being trapped in the the past and/or reflection of her own inner fears
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